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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bosch232 on October 05, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
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I never come to the message boards, so if this is redundant, then so be it.
What gives with LWO and LWB being capped at 100 and 150 respectively?
I grow tired of this.
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How many are you?
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The issue is arena caps, and it has been discussed extensively. Do a search for arena caps, just in the last few months, and you'll find lots of information including stuff like:
-Caps are fluid, meaning they are constantly changing
-Caps are linked to each other, if one arena's numbers reaches a certain percent (70%)? Then the other cap will increase.
-HTC does this for game play reasons, though you will find players on both sides of the issue on this one.
-They work most effectively at high volume times, so if you play at a time with less people or at a time where people are generally leaving the arena, you might find yourself in an unfavorable position if the arena you want in is capped. I believe HTC has tried to help that problem by removing caps after 12:00AM CDT.
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I made a birthday wish for no caps just last week in the wishlist forum... I have rotten birthday luck. :lol
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See that search bar in the top right corner of your screen? It works no matter how often you visit the BBS. It is one of the forum's best kept secrets.
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wait... they cap arenas..? what the ...
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I never come to the message boards, so if this is redundant, then so be it.
What gives with LWO and LWB being capped at 100 and 150 respectively?
I grow tired of this.
It's NOT server limits, it's arena limits. The severs are no where near their capacities. The arenas on the other hand hit an unhealthy state around 400. The problem comes in when you have to figure out how to populate two arenas as evenly as possible. So HTC uses an automatically adjusting cap system to build the population in the two arenas evenly.
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It's NOT server limits, it's arena limits. The severs are no where near their capacities. The arenas on the other hand hit an unhealthy state around 400. The problem comes in when you have to figure out how to populate two arenas as evenly as possible. So HTC uses an automatically adjusting cap system to build the population in the two arenas evenly.
I understand the 400 unhealthy part but when you have <150 in either arena fights are a bit hard to find depending on the map.
This is why all maps should have a fighter/Tanktown area in the middle for times where no many are on and people can gather there
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some of the best fights, biggest missions, and funnest gv's/furballs/buff runs are on Titanic Tuesday when there are 600-800 in a single big arena. It's sad that they've skipped it tonight...
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How many are you?
he is borg. he has been assimilated. resistance if futile. the borg are one.
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some of the best fights, biggest missions, and funnest gv's/furballs/buff runs are on Titanic Tuesday when there are 600-800 in a single big arena. It's sad that they've skipped it tonight...
NONSENSE. Apparently there is no arguing that what is really best for business is a max of 100 or fewer players in LWO and about 12 in LWB, and a lot of players mad about not being able to go where they want to, and logging to do work instead......
THAT is apparently the most fun, and the best for business.
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NONSENSE. Apparently there is no arguing that what is really best for business is a max of 100 or fewer players in LWO and about 12 in LWB, and a lot of players mad about not being able to go where they want to, and logging to do work instead......
THAT is apparently the most fun, and the best for business.
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Yep, this was the case for example last night around 9PM finnish time (2PM EST). One arena had something like 120 players and was giving "Arena is full" and the other arena had 16 players. Incredibly irritating.
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HTC has stated many times Arena CAP's are good for buisness. :aok
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Monkey business
Naw joking
It is good for business
I log off and get on with my business
Rather than fulfill my addiction requirements
Or world of tanks business
Stop capping Euros for American pleasures
Two arenas minimum caps 200
PLEASE
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and i wonder why i havent logged in for about two months and counting(while paying for subscription).
aces high hasnt been fun anymore. what with the gaminess in the last scenario and the gaminess in the ma.
oh wait, this IS a game. :neener: :neener: :neener:
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I don't understand what the problem really is...... there is at least 5-10 of you that said you logged from the game that could have filled the other arena that you chose not to join because it didn't have the numbers you hoped for........ :rolleyes:
For me, it doesn't matter which arena or which side, pure freedom. Find a red guy and shoot him down. Your only limited by your own choices.
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I understand that the euro folks get the raw end of the deal. They are in the middle of their "prime time" when the arenas kick into caps.
I don't know the numbers, HTC does, but the euro players unfortunately are the minority, and my guess is it's by a wide margin. Caps are a necessity and the best time to bring up the dynamic cap system is right in the middle of euros prime time.
In the end they trying to piss off the least amount of people I guess.
You euro guys need to bring in anouther 200-300 players to make it work better. :)
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NONSENSE. Apparently there is no arguing that what is really best for business is a max of 100 or fewer players in LWO and about 12 in LWB, and a lot of players mad about not being able to go where they want to, and logging to do work instead......
THAT is apparently the most fun, and the best for business.
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You mean a handfull of players mad.
What is best for your business is not necessarily best for HT's business.
....... and what Fugi said!
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Yay, again, 115 players in Orange late war and "Arena Full". 44 players in the other arena.
For me, it doesn't matter which arena or which side, pure freedom. Find a red guy and shoot him down. Your only limited by your own choices.
You know, it is A Lot harder to find those red guys with really low numbers in the arena where you can get in.
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I'VE often found that the red guys are mostly congregated into one area in the lower populated arenas.
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Yay, again, 115 players in Orange late war and "Arena Full". 44 players in the other arena.
You know, it is A Lot harder to find those red guys with really low numbers in the arena where you can get in.
Switch to the low number side.
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Makes you wonder how the MW arena has a lot of great fights consistently with under 60 people even during U.S. prime time... :headscratch:
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he is borg. he has been assimilated. resistance if futile. the borg are one.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Enough of us to make a new thread on this subject every week about how we can't connect with our collective.
-oink!
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Chances are if you're in an arena with low numbers, there are other guys staring at the map looking for a fight as well. Up your favorite fighter and cruise around inside an enemy radar for a few minutes and a good little fight usually develops. Sometimes YOU have to be the initiator.
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I'm going out on a limb now: I dind't think the caps are not really necessary at all during the week. During that time, both LW arenas combined are often at comparable numbers to a single arena on weekends. And if 300 players in one arena is perfectly acceptable and not "overcrowding" at all on a Saturday, I wonder why it should be detrimental to the game on a Wednesday?
Right now it's 1 am local time. Caps kicked in 6 hours ago, and right now the numbers are 184/100 and 104/150. For more than six hours the total numbers are not even remotely approaching "unhealthy" or crowded levels for a large map.
For a US primetime player it may not make that much difference if there are 250 instead of 450 players in the arena. Having to face an arena with less than 100 players instead of 250 is quite a different gameplay experience.
Last tour, I went out and noted the arena numbers for a whole week. This is one example:
(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2433/wednesday.jpg)
(on that day, I didn't record another data point between 2 and 4 am, the actual total peek must have been around 350 players during that time)
Titanic Tuesday is basically the only day of the week were I get to fully enjoy the game on a same level as US prime time, and how it was when - and why! - I joined AH 5 years ago. The only alternative is to stay up until ~4am. And not, because "we" euro prime players are not enough to fill an arena.
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Switch to the low number side.
Thanks for the advice Shuffler. Yesterday the arena where I could get in was populated like this:
Rooks 15 players
Bishops 13 players
Knights 16 players
I was playing with Rooks as usual. Do you think that the game experience would have changed significantly if I had switched to Bishops?
I see no reason to cap the arena to 100 players like it seems to be now every evening.
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not only do we have this cap rubbish to contend with, for the last week LWO has had a massive map in it which is just waaaay too big for just 100 players. the result of this is - no fights.
this last week is pretty much the first time ive been around and my squaddies are in the tower saying "theres just nothing to do...". well I suppose we could go milk run, but we'd rather fight players than sheds. 3 of the last 4 nights Ive heard squaddies just logging off because they're bored. not something Ive heard before. yesterday with about 120 in LWO I sat in the tower watching the map and for over 25mins there was literally no red darbar on the knit front. nothing. there was 1 m8 trying to deack a town, but on the ground that was it.
ok you say "well start a fight then!". we did a circus raid some 3 sectors into enemy airspace - 11k B26s and a coupla escorts. killed radar and dropped on town at 4 bases. nothing. I landed my milkrun (woo :rolleyes:), my escorts just bailed and logged.
deacked a town and started dropping buildings (not really going to try to take it but it should stir up some defence.) 1 wirble.
unless something changes pretty quick, the "overcrowding problem" will solve itself. but not in a way thats good for business...
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yesterday with about 120 in LWO I sat in the tower watching the map and for over 25mins there was literally no red darbar on the knit front.
So, Bish and Rook were fighting, or were 120 people sitting in the tower? Maybe switch sides and join the fight? If your squad is one of those "we don't switch sides - ever - for any reason" squads, then you might be part of your own problem. Did you try LWB? MW?
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LWB had about 40 when I checked, didnt bother with MW as it never has double digits when I'm online. looked like a small skirmish between rooks n bish, but yes there were a large number in the tower - almost 50%. usually its closer to 75%.
switch sides? sure we could all do that. now you have 60 rook, 60 bish, 0 knits. not sure where ENY tops out but I cant imagine that would be a popular move.
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Titanic Tuesday is basically the only day of the week were I get to fully enjoy the game on a same level as US prime time, and how it was when - and why! - I joined AH 5 years ago. The only alternative is to stay up until ~4am. And not, because "we" euro prime players are not enough to fill an arena.
The biggest problem with caps is that Euro guys are screwed at 1200 CST, when the caps kick in. Sliding the cap kick in time three or four hours would go a long way in helping out those whose ancestors weren't lucky enough to emigrate to the US. :bolt:
Another side effect of caps is that it induces people to 'reserve' a space in the arena by staying logged in while inactive. Sometimes, the blue will have a lower total number, but near parity in flight numbers.
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Another side effect of caps is that it induces people to 'reserve' a space in the arena by staying logged in while inactive.
I usually try to get a few sorties right before the caps kick in. At 7 pm local, you can watch the battles in the arena run dry. Where you could find a few fights going at 6 pm is often looking like a ghost town at 8pm.
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Well HTC is working on something (delayed end of month, no TT), hopefully it's a solution to the timing of the caps for the Euro guys. I don't know why they wouldn't try moving the time a couple hours so the Euro guys could use a single arena through their primetime. Or if not that try the idea Lusche and HT were going back and forth with in that thread a few months ago.
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What is tiresome is the fact one pays 14 something a month and then is told where one can fly, (arena cap) and what one can fly, (ENY). not good business smarts if you subscribe to keep the customer happy.
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What is tiresome is the fact one pays 14 something a month and then is told where one can fly, (arena cap) and what one can fly, (ENY). not good business smarts if you subscribe to keep the customer happy.
the ENY whine is tedious at best...
if you don't want eny, switch to low # country. problem solved.
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the ENY whine is tedious at best...
if you don't want eny, switch to low # country. problem solved.
What is tedious is that both caps & eny just do not do what they are suppose to do & have failed to do it for many many years.
Time to wake up & smell the roses & admit defeat instead of hanging on to something that was thought to be a good idea at the time but have proven to be dismal failures.
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What is tedious is that both caps & eny just do not do what they are suppose to do & have failed to do it for many many years.
Time to wake up & smell the roses & admit defeat instead of hanging on to something that was thought to be a good idea at the time but have proven to be dismal failures.
The ENY and CAP does what it is suppose to.
ENY limits those with a numbers advantage by taking away the uber equipment. While the CAP system has stopped the players from un-subscribing and keep more of the players that try out the free 2 week.
Some of the other things these two "seem" to do are more player induced than HTC induced.
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ENY doesnt do nothing but make you have to up crappy plane while your over ran. my theory is that it proved Russian doctrine true, the numbers are a quality in themselves. and ENY assumes we are all the same skill level. if we was it probably wouldn't be so bad being outnumbered. i dont care how you slice it if you have 4-5 good pilots against 10-15 bad pilots i am pretty sure the 4-5 pilots are gonna win. and then you throw in the fact they have better rides to boot. ENY is just a way to justify being outnumbered but in reality don't mean nothing. in real life if you was out numbered the enemy isnt gonna say oh i am sorry i will start using are less effective weapons against you. could you imagine if the US had ENY in the gulf war. they would have had to use M-4's and the outcome would have been alot different.
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in real life
it's not real life.
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ENY doesnt do nothing but make you have to up crappy plane while your over ran.
Actually, it's supposed to make you move to the less populated country. The problem isn't ENY, it's the frustrated user who doesn't seem to be able to take a hint.
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The problem isn't ENY, it's the frustrated user who doesn't seem to be able to take a hint.
This should be the final post for EVERY whine about ENY. :aok
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Actually, it's supposed to make you move to the less populated country. The problem isn't ENY, it's the frustrated user who doesn't seem to be able to take a hint.
doesnt that defeat the point of having countries to start with if your gonna be switching everytime a country has envy.
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doesnt that defeat the point of having countries to start with if your gonna be switching everytime a country has envy.
No.
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doesnt that defeat the point of having countries to start with if your gonna be switching everytime a country has envy.
Not at all
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okay lets say the country your in now is about to win the map and and you have 22 ENY and you need one more base to reset, i seriously doubt your gonna switch sides. and the reason you only have 1 base left is cause you have 30-50 more people then anyone else and your country is doing the hoard and even with the 22 ENY your going through the bases like butter cause ENY doesnt mean crap.
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okay lets say the country your in now is about to win the map and and you have 22 ENY and you need one more base to reset, i seriously doubt your gonna switch sides.
Some player do, some players don't.
Not everbody here is playing to win the war. Many do not at all, and many do only sometimes play that way.
There are many reasons and ways to play AH.
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Currently, I am flying solo, (sans squad), and enjoy loggin on nightly, checking the roster, choosing the lowest numbered chess piece and flying anything I want with a veritable plethora of targets. It also lets me fly with everyone, participating with and enjoying the entire community. Of course it also gives me a chance to be killed by everyone sooner or later.
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okay lets say the country your in now is about to win the map and and you have 22 ENY and you need one more base to reset, i seriously doubt your gonna switch sides.
Those of us who switch sides for fights (and balance) generally don't need the 25 perkies you get for "winning teh warz". Besides, I believe you need to be on the "winning country" for something like 12 hours to get the perks anyway - those who switch might not spend that long on a side at any one time.
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I usually enjoy flying solo (as in not in a squad) because it allows more freedom. For example if you want to attack the rooks, and your squad is attacking knights and you aren't feeling up for it; The threat of being kicked out for being headstrong isn't there :neener:
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ENY doesnt do nothing but make you have to up crappy plane while your over ran. my theory is that it proved Russian doctrine true, the numbers are a quality in themselves. and ENY assumes we are all the same skill level. if we was it probably wouldn't be so bad being outnumbered. i dont care how you slice it if you have 4-5 good pilots against 10-15 bad pilots i am pretty sure the 4-5 pilots are gonna win. and then you throw in the fact they have better rides to boot. ENY is just a way to justify being outnumbered but in reality don't mean nothing. in real life if you was out numbered the enemy isnt gonna say oh i am sorry i will start using are less effective weapons against you. could you imagine if the US had ENY in the gulf war. they would have had to use M-4's and the outcome would have been alot different.
To me, if I have to fight 5 to 1 odds, or 10 to 1 odds, I am much happier to be in a P51 fighting against much less uber planes. Whether they are skilled or not I "feel" I have a chance against them as apposed say running into 5 or 10 Spit16's flown by better than average pilots. Actually, it's supposed to make you move to the less populated country. The problem isn't ENY, it's the frustrated user who doesn't seem to be able to take a hint.
I don't think this was the "reason" ENY was put in, but it is and added benefit. I can certainly solve those with the problem of not being able to fly their favorite ride, just switch sides. You get to fly your fav, and you help to even the numbers imbalance.
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Those of us who switch sides for fights (and balance) generally don't need the 25 perkies you get for "winning teh warz". Besides, I believe you need to be on the "winning country" for something like 12 hours to get the perks anyway - those who switch might not spend that long on a side at any one time.
umm what's a perkie? oh ya you mean those things that let you fly the uber planes right?
Never used em..
Fortunately, while a member of a fantastic squad, I'm not tied to a chess piece or an arena or a style of dying and so on..
All of that BS said I do feel the the concerns and wishes of the Euro players should be addressed. They pays their monies and play the game for one but more importantly in my mind they bring some perspective into the game that we play and I, for one, truly enjoy hearing it.
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well said old bean
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The reason it frustrates me is that it prevents me from flying with my squad mates quite often.