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Title: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: DEECONX on October 07, 2010, 07:01:13 PM
Does anyone know of the usage of T30 triple launcher rockets on the A-20 Havocs? I cant seem to find anything on them other than a picture of some strapped under the wing. Did they see much use, or were they something only a specific group did with their Havocs.

Thanks
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 07, 2010, 08:37:37 PM
Does anyone know of the usage of T30 triple launcher rockets on the A-20 Havocs? I cant seem to find anything on them other than a picture of some strapped under the wing. Did they see much use, or were they something only a specific group did with their Havocs.

Thanks

Tested with the 5th AF but they didn't pursue it if memory serves.  Not at home right now, but will double check when I get there.
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: RoGenT on October 07, 2010, 10:14:34 PM
I think that would be pretty cool to have in the game though.
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Tupac on October 07, 2010, 10:25:56 PM
A20 is due for a remodel anyways, I'm sure HTC will look it up when they do. IRL A20s had a ventral turret
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 07, 2010, 11:08:25 PM
From Steve Birdsell's wonderful book on the 5th AF "Flying Buccaneers"

"At Hollandia in July 1944 there were experiments using the A-20 as a rocket carrying plane, but the launching tubes reduced cruising speed by fifteen miles and out and the cut in range was too great a sacrifice"

"All found the rockets unsatisfactory; "Jock Henebry (3rd Attack Group C0) says it was 'a real aerodynamic abortion and a one shot deal' that was soon abandoned."
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 08, 2010, 12:12:29 AM
I think that would be pretty cool to have in the game though.

Not if they never used them operationally.


ack-ack
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: RoGenT on October 08, 2010, 12:43:38 AM
Not if they never used them operationally.


ack-ack

Mr. Buzz kill  :lol
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: cobia38 on October 08, 2010, 06:36:15 AM
A20 is due for a remodel anyways, I'm sure HTC will look it up when they do. IRL A20s had a ventral turret
   
    quad 20mm first  :D
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: TOMCAT21 on October 08, 2010, 08:10:05 AM
Cobia, the quad 20mm in the G model  were only in the first 250 or so produced. There were issues with the 20mms and they were dropped in favor of the 50cals. All Quad 20mm A-20's (excluding the nightfighter P-70 Nighthawk)  were given to the Soviets via Lend Lease. The rockets weren't used because of the drag caused by the tubes still be mounted to the wings. I do believe they add the option of having the ferry fuel tank in place of belly bombs.  :salute TC
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: cobia38 on October 08, 2010, 11:35:50 AM
Cobia, the quad 20mm in the G model  were only in the first 250 or so produced. There were issues with the 20mms and they were dropped in favor of the 50cals. All Quad 20mm A-20's (excluding the nightfighter P-70 Nighthawk)  were given to the Soviets via Lend Lease. The rockets weren't used because of the drag caused by the tubes still be mounted to the wings. I do believe they add the option of having the ferry fuel tank in place of belly bombs.  :salute TC
   

  the soviets used those lend lease birds in squadron streanth did they not ?
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: TOMCAT21 on October 08, 2010, 11:54:40 AM
yes they did. of the 2850 A20G's produced, most went to the Soviets under the Lend Lease. the G model was the most numerous version of the A-20 produced.
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Baumer on October 08, 2010, 12:05:12 PM
Cannon armed A-20's saw combat in the South Pacific with US squadrons. Yes they were not favored, due to the 20mm's performance in real life, but that hasn't stopped other aircraft in AH being highly used.

(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/A-20G-1-DO.JPG)
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: DEECONX on October 08, 2010, 12:09:08 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys!  :aok  :salute
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 08, 2010, 04:00:03 PM
Cannon armed A-20's saw combat in the South Pacific with US squadrons. Yes they were not favored, due to the 20mm's performance in real life, but that hasn't stopped other aircraft in AH being highly used.

(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/A-20G-1-DO.JPG)

That's the bird used for testing the rocket set up by Henebry and a couple others.  I'd imagine thats the picture the OP saw too.
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: lyric1 on October 08, 2010, 04:41:59 PM
Here you go lets get some extra bolt on's as well.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,288751.0.html
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Baumer on October 08, 2010, 05:19:35 PM
cc Guppy I was using that photo just to illustrate that there were cannon armed US A-20's in combat.   
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 08, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
cc Guppy I was using that photo just to illustrate that there were cannon armed US A-20's in combat.   

Don't think anyone has disputed that.  It was pointed out that the A-20s that used the 20mm cannon package did so during operational combat field testing and didn't see widespread use. 


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Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: lyric1 on October 08, 2010, 05:42:04 PM
Don't think anyone has disputed that.  It was pointed out that the A-20s that used the 20mm cannon package did so during operational combat field testing and didn't see widespread use. 


ack-ack
This page explains what & when on the cannons as well as when bombs were strapped on to the wings. We just don't have the right model 20-G at present to have the 20MM cannons.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/russianmdelexpla-1.png)
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: lyric1 on October 08, 2010, 05:45:47 PM
Cannon armed A-20's saw combat in the South Pacific with US squadrons. Yes they were not favored, due to the 20mm's performance in real life, but that hasn't stopped other aircraft in AH being highly used.

(http://332nd.org/dogs/baumer/A-20G-1-DO.JPG)
Same plane as your picture only it is mounted with bombs.


(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/bg3a.jpg)
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: DEECONX on October 08, 2010, 06:51:27 PM
Thanks again for the feed back guys!

Took a look at your thread lyric, good stuff there!  :aok

And this was the picture I first saw it in.

(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Kassill1/800px-T30_rocket_launcher.jpg)
Title: Re: A-20 Rockets?
Post by: Soulyss on October 08, 2010, 06:55:11 PM
Arg.... I came across about a half dozen or so pictures of the rocket installation on that A-20 earlier today. I'll try to find them again.