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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: trax1 on October 12, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
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I just saw a thing on a TV show about this, but apparently Google has a system that can drive cars. They've been testing it for about a year and have already logged over 140,000 driverless miles in 4 cars without any accidents, well at least none they caused, there was one car that was rear ended at a stop light. I'm sure this technology is still about a decade out from being put into a car you could buy and afford, but for someone like me this would be a huge help as I'm in a wheelchair and can't use one of my arms which means I can't use hand controls, so I'm really looking forward to this being available as an option you pick when buying a car.
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/10/google-logs-140000-driverless-miles-surreptitiously.html (http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/10/google-logs-140000-driverless-miles-surreptitiously.html)
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Free, all you need is a Google account. Should be in there, right in between your Google Calender and Google Voicemail. :aok
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When these become popular, state and local governments will freak out. Where will they get their traffic citation income from, now? There won't be any more traffic infractions. when this happens expect a bunch of crazy, strange, and fast-changing traffic laws to go into effect to try to confuse the automated cars.
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there's been different companies trying this for years.
bmw and mercedes both have versions that use gps.
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When these become popular, state and local governments will freak out. Where will they get their traffic citation income from, now? There won't be any more traffic infractions. when this happens expect a bunch of crazy, strange, and fast-changing traffic laws to go into effect to try to confuse the automated cars.
Or they just illegalize them.
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Do they not realize making this kind of stuff is going to make more people lose jobs? Truck drivers, taxi drivers, and so forth. There will be no need for them anymore.
-BigBOBCH
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Do they not realize making this kind of stuff is going to make more people lose jobs? Truck drivers, taxi drivers, and so forth. There will be no need for them anymore.
-BigBOBCH
I hope that was sarcastic, but if not you do realize the lives that a system like this would potentially save, drunk drivers would practically become a thing of the past, not to mention the millions of others that loss there lives in traffic accidents, plus they say the same thing about people losing jobs anytime a new technology comes out, like when the chainsaw or the jack hammer came out.
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what about the lives lost when the computer system running the thing "burps"?
or if the powers that be decide you don't need to go to the store today, so there is no way your car can or will take you there.
no thanks...i'll drive myself, thank you very much.
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what about the lives lost when the computer system running the thing "burps"?
or if the powers that be decide you don't need to go to the store today, so there is no way your car can or will take you there.
no thanks...i'll drive myself, thank you very much.
I'm sure the cars would still have the ability to be driven by yourself, I can't really see any car maker, or anyone even wanting to buy a car they didn't allow that on, so that would never be an issue, and as for the computer causing the accident, I'm sure that it might occasionally happen, but I'd bet that it would happen far far less then often compared to a human driver, thus reducing over-all fatality significantly, probably at least a hundred fold or higher.
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Well, I hope it (or something else that works) becomes an option for you, Trax. I do hope you're right that it won't be the only option for everyone, however.
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Well, I hope it (or something else that works) becomes an option for you, Trax. I do hope you're right that it won't be the only option for everyone, however.
Yeah, like I said I can't see any car maker not giving you the option to turn it off and take the wheel yourself, because you will still have people that just enjoy driving the car themselves, feeling the engine as you put down the accelerator, no car maker would limit themselves by trying to sell a car that you couldn't turn the device off and take control yourself, I'm sure it will almost be looked at like a kind of cruise control.
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Got to love complete paranoia :rofl Yeah, you wont be able to go to the store because the powers that be did not want you to, but if you had a car the powers would not be able to stop you :rofl I don;t know, if I was the powers, I'd just close the store or just shoot you in your car lol.
You have to worry about something like that happening right after all cars get replaced by the electric cars, which should have happened 20 years ago according to the last paranoia lol
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OK, so what happens when I'm driving down the road and I encounter a computer controlled vehicle?
I know what I'm gonna do, but how is the Botcar gonna handle dealing with my feeble mindedness?
Computers are tools, not necessities.
<S> Melvin
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Do they not realize making this kind of stuff is going to make more people lose jobs? Truck drivers, taxi drivers, and so forth. There will be no need for them anymore.
-BigBOBCH
And the invention of the chainsaw made ax-men loose their jobs. Welcome to the last 200,000 years. New inventions increase efficiency and productivity, allowing companies to grow.
I agree with trax, I can't imagine any company making cars without a manual override. Every invention isn't a government conspiracy to control your mind.
OK, so what happens when I'm driving down the road and I encounter a computer controlled vehicle?
I know what I'm gonna do, but how is the Botcar gonna handle dealing with my feeble mindedness?
Computers are tools, not necessities.
<S> Melvin
They are probably able to recognize and react to the situation long before you even realize what is going on. No one said this is anything but a tool.
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Jayhawk, while I can see what you're thinking here, the fact is that no computer can match my ninja-like reflexes. :lol
However, I could see this going bad like many other "tools". (Remote controls, cell-phones, reachin' sticks, to name a few.) It will end up being a crutch for the lazy. I don't know anybody that can't drive a manual transmissioned vehicle.
Let's all get a little dumber and more lazy.
<S> Melvin
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btw....google is creating nothing.
do a youtube search for top gear bmw self drive. they did this at least a year ago. mercedes too. there's been buicks, and i think hondas in the us doing a version of this system.
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Jayhawk, while I can see what you're thinking here, the fact is that no computer can match my ninja-like reflexes. :lol
However, I could see this going bad like many other "tools". (Remote controls, cell-phones, reachin' sticks, to name a few.) It will end up being a crutch for the lazy. I don't know anybody that can't drive a manual transmissioned vehicle.
Let's all get a little dumber and more lazy.
<S> Melvin
It's not just something thats gonna make life easier like a remote or cell phone does, it's something thats actually going to save lives, think about how many traffic related fatalities there are in the world each year, also it would drastically cut down on traffic jams, as long as a majority of the cars & trucks are using the system, billions are lost every year due to people, and cargo just sitting in those traffic jams.
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And as another poster pointed out, billions are EARNED each year by those very same cars and trucks.
<S> Melvin
PS: As for drunk drivers (old people too), how many will be cognitive enough to operate their Botcar?
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meh, I'd use it.
Get up, throw on some clothes, get in the car, go back to sleep, arrive at work. What about parents with teenagers *program a 10 mile radius around the house* :D. But that's typical lazy me.
I can see advantages and disadvantages but I do see that production of vehicles with this capability has its uses and shouldn't be immediately dismissed. As posted before people with disabilities will be able to transport themselves and, possibly, remain in the workforce as opposed to being home bound. Elderly people who still have a lot to offer that have poor vision etc.. wouldn't be dependent on family, charities, government, to get them around or in extreme cases. To a doctor.
A personal example. My night vision gets worse the older I get. It's to the point now that I don't really want to drive at night unless I absolutely HAVE to. Having an automated car could come in handy for me in the future.
Just some thoughts.
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And as another poster pointed out, billions are EARNED each year by those very same cars and trucks.
<S> Melvin
PS: As for drunk drivers (old people too), how many will be cognitive enough to operate their Botcar?
What billions are earned by those same cars & trucks that would be now lost by this system and losing traffic jams & accidents? Truckers wouldn't necessarily lose their jobs by this system, I'm sure a human behind the wheel would still be required, just now the trucks getting to it's destination in a faster time saving on fuel & shipping cost, losing traffic jams would certainly result in a net gain across the economy, not a loss, I don't think you'd find any economist that would say a system like this would be a bad thing for the economy.
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Well Trax, you make a good point. As long as human "system monitors" are still required.
Now, I pose this problem for you.
Imagine how many people in the insurance business would be out of work if it were determined that the odds of an "accident" on the roads was negligable.
I know, I know, nobody likes the insurance man. But, the fact is that it puts food on some people's table.
Basically, this tech would cost people's livelihoods.
As for the dumbing down of America.
How many of us can still read a compass?
How many can find Polaris (Or the Southern Cross)?
How many can read a sextant? (I can't, wish I could.)
Heck, how many can even read a map?
It's OK, the computer will do that for us. For now.
<S> Melvin
"Botcar! Take me to the nearset bar (or church)!"
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wai wai waiiiiittttt!!!!!
Are the botcars going to be run on Windows? Because if they are I guess you could be running along at 80 but have to shut down and restart every so often for no apparent reason. I can see hackers getting into the system and sending everybody that typed in church to a strip club and vice versa. Oh the possibilities are infinite and epic!!!
Melvin I batted .500 on your poll.. plenty good for MLB ;)
Still for botcars regardless
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From I, Robot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzg1mzwZDko&feature=related
Sorry I couldn't find a better quality video.
Cars would have the option to drive manually. I personally would want to control the car on short trips because it gives me something to do, but I can understand on long trips using the self drive option.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fqP9hLMxJuIX9M:http://www.gadgetmadness.com/archives/audi_rsq.jpg&t=1)
Think of it this way, the cars could cruise at speeds excess of 100mph safely and adjust itself to many situations. Safety features would be installed, say that if a person were swerving too much, the car could sense it and take over.
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wai wai waiiiiittttt!!!!!
Are the botcars going to be run on Windows? Because if they are I guess you could be running along at 80 but have to shut down and restart every so often for no apparent reason.
MAde by Google, so Android OS :aok
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From I, Robot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzg1mzwZDko&feature=related
Sorry I couldn't find a better quality video.
Cars would have the option to drive manually. I personally would want to control the car on short trips because it gives me something to do, but I can understand on long trips using the self drive option.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fqP9hLMxJuIX9M:http://www.gadgetmadness.com/archives/audi_rsq.jpg&t=1)
Think of it this way, the cars could cruise at speeds excess of 100mph safely and adjust itself to many situations. Safety features would be installed, say that if a person were swerving too much, the car could sense it and take over.
And how did that work for our hero?
<S> Melvin
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we're talking automated cars here, we have not introduced evil robots into the picture... yet :t
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oh great random ads running across the windshield based on my google searches. Guess that scratches me ever giving anybody whose opinion I value a ride.. EVER.
'Umm Dicho'
'Yes dear?'
'Why does your car get so many ads for sheep and gimp hoods?'
'I, I, I, I, let a friend use my computer.. no seriously'
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Yet.
It's a slippery slope. Before long we'll be........
Heck, nevermind. Drive your Botcars and stay the heck away from me. (Nothing personal, just gotta go fly now.)
To be continued.
<S> Melvin
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:rock :x :cheers: :banana:
Dicho, for the win. :bolt: :airplane:
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Well Trax, you make a good point. As long as human "system monitors" are still required.
Now, I pose this problem for you.
Imagine how many people in the insurance business would be out of work if it were determined that the odds of an "accident" on the roads was negligable.
I know, I know, nobody likes the insurance man. But, the fact is that it puts food on some people's table.
Basically, this tech would cost people's livelihoods.
I was thinking about this & I think it would have just the opposite effect on the insurance business, just because there are cars on the road now that can drive themselves doesn't mean every car will be, so your still going to have people who drive the car themselves, and they will cause accidents, now even if you have a car with the system you still will be driving that car from time to time yourself as well, your still going to need insurance on the chance your vehicle causes an accident, you'll also still want to have insurance on the chance your car is stolen, just because a car can drive itself doesn't mean people won't still steal them, or break into them. The insurance company is still going to be charging you those premiums, maybe not as much as they do now, but they also won't be paying out as many claims, you see things tend to balance themselves out.
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:rock :x :cheers: :banana:
Dicho, for the win. :bolt: :airplane:
might have won the thread but I'm banned from Hooters and they look at me strangely at Twin Peaks ;)
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Another point Melvin, just because a technology might take jobs away in one sector does that mean we shouldn't do it? Look at the airplane, I'm sure that put a big hit on the trains and cruise ship industry, do you think that we shouldn't have used it to save those people their jobs?
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Well Trax, you make a good point. As long as human "system monitors" are still required.
Now, I pose this problem for you.
Imagine how many people in the insurance business would be out of work if it were determined that the odds of an "accident" on the roads was negligable.
I know, I know, nobody likes the insurance man. But, the fact is that it puts food on some people's table.
Basically, this tech would cost people's livelihoods.
As for the dumbing down of America.
How many of us can still read a compass?easy.
How many can find Polaris (Or the Southern Cross)?huh? i can't
How many can read a sextant? (I can't, wish I could.)i wish i could
Heck, how many can even read a map?too easy
It's OK, the computer will do that for us. For now.
<S> Melvin
"Botcar! Take me to the nearset bar (or church)!"
the best parts of this technology, are the cars equipped with flir, and those with active? cruise control.
i can see limited uses for a car to drive itself......like others have said.......to help disabled people. if a human monitor were required in the vehicle, then the auto drive setup would be useless when a drunk got in the car, 'cause everyone thinks they're invincible when they're drunk.
we cannot, and should not continue making systems such as this to prevent these types of things. all this will do, will make people dumber, and they will do their stupid stuff in some other harmful way.
accidents are NOT accidental. they are someone somewhere being negligent.
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How many can find Polaris (Or the Southern Cross)?huh? i can't
How many can read a sextant? (I can't, wish I could.)i wish i could
Google it? :D
:bolt:
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Google it? :D
:bolt:
polaris :devil
http://www.polarisindustries.com/default.aspx
i enjoy driving my 190hp dakota with the 5 speed. i enjoyed driving my 400hp mustang with the 5 speed. i will enjoy driving my 400hp fairmont. my buddy enjoys driving his 1200hp viper, and his 650hp gto.
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I would like to know what happens when there is a computer glitch with cars traveling at 100mph bumper to bumper and the driver has to turn around or wake up and grab the wheel.
I see mayhem.
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Well Trax, you make a good point. As long as human "system monitors" are still required.
Now, I pose this problem for you.
Imagine how many people in the insurance business would be out of work if it were determined that the odds of an "accident" on the roads was negligable.
I know, I know, nobody likes the insurance man. But, the fact is that it puts food on some people's table.
Too bad. If a groundbreaking technology makes another one obsolete that's just too bad. All the poor telegraph workers that went out of business when the telephone was invented. :cry
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I would like to know what happens when there is a computer glitch with cars traveling at 100mph bumper to bumper and the driver has to turn around or wake up and grab the wheel.
I see mayhem.
computers are perfect. they never make mistakes. they do just what humans program them to do.
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I would like to know what happens when there is a computer glitch with cars traveling at 100mph bumper to bumper and the driver has to turn around or wake up and grab the wheel.
I see mayhem.
I would imagine that before the government would ever allow a system of that type to be allowed on roads at those speeds they will have to have some kind of safety system & back up upon back up built in, but I'm sure there will still be accidents, but accidents happen all the time with a human driver.
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i will enjoy driving my 400hp fairmont.
What year, my first car was an 83 Fairmont, I always wanted to drop a larger engine in it as it's the same body as the Mustang, the engine it comes with just seemed so tiny in there. Originally mine was a maroon but I had it painted all black, I was worried about how it would look all black with the interior still all maroon, but it actually looked good.
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What year, my first car was an 83 Fairmont, I always wanted to drop a larger engine in it as it's the same body as the Mustang, the engine it comes with just seemed so tiny in there. Originally mine was a maroon but I had it painted all black, I was worried about how it would look all black with the interior still all maroon, but it actually looked good.
that's exactly what i did. it's a 78 futura. i call it the old mans sporty car. :D
the engine/tranny/rear/computer system is out of my wrecked 89 mustang gt. it ran 12.2's at 117mph, 100% street legal....and literally an every day driver. i used that car to and from work, to transport my r/c models to the flying field......everything.
lady in a saturn whacked me head on. i had an 83 mustang body i could've dropped everythin into, but i just didn't want "just another" mustang.
black exterior, with maroon interior, i can imagine looked REALLY good to be honest.
when i get to the point of painting, she's gonna be black, with a cowl hood, and black/grey interior.
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On second thought.......
I'll have this tech in my 3/4 ton. I'll sit in the passenger seat (shotgun in my lap, beer in my hand, doors off).
I'll point the vehicle down the road, and then say, "Botcar, drive slowly."
When I see a grouse I'll say, "Botcar, stop."
I'll walk the required distance from my 3/4 ton before I shoot.
Then (after missing) I'll say, "Botcar, let's go.." Me and Botcar will roll down the road.
Until.....
The DNR spots me, at which point I'll say, "BOTCAR! OUTRUN THE COPPERS!"
(I got the hack for that.)
Botcar and I will flee to the nearest safe-house, and I'll slam a few beers while Bot runs a full diagnostic.
Oh wait, I haven't found a GPS that can map the roads I use.
I haven't found a piece of equipment that I can't break.
Where will the parts for this project come from? Surely not from the USA, as we have a bad habit of shipping our jobs away.
The only jobs I see being produced from this project would be the road crews that are required to install the various peripherals needed to keep Botcar "on track".
Pipe dreams.
<S> Melvin
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The only jobs I see being produced from this project would be the road crews that are required to install the various peripherals needed to keep Botcar "on track".
Oh yes back to the 'jobs created' point. Good one. We should probably also get rid of all mechanical soil extraction equipment also and just use the good old handy shovel. It will create a lot of shovelin jobs.
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that's exactly what i did. it's a 78 futura. i call it the old mans sporty car. :D
the engine/tranny/rear/computer system is out of my wrecked 89 mustang gt. it ran 12.2's at 117mph, 100% street legal....and literally an every day driver. i used that car to and from work, to transport my r/c models to the flying field......everything.
lady in a saturn whacked me head on. i had an 83 mustang body i could've dropped everythin into, but i just didn't want "just another" mustang.
black exterior, with maroon interior, i can imagine looked REALLY good to be honest.
when i get to the point of painting, she's gonna be black, with a cowl hood, and black/grey interior.
Do you have any pics of yours, I'd love to see it?
I had one hell of a time with mine when I tried to put in a CD player, all it had in it was an AM radio, took over 7 hrs to take it out and install, I had to take the whole front dash off and rewire the speakers, I put a pair of 6x9's in the back too since there were no speakers back there to begin with.
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Do you have any pics of yours, I'd love to see it?
I had one hell of a time with mine when I tried to put in a CD player, all it had in it was an AM radio, took over 7 hrs to take it out and install, I had to take the whole front dash off and rewire the speakers, I put a pair of 6x9's in the back too since there were no speakers back there to begin with.
this is the only pic i have of it right now......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/AVIATION166.jpg)
the entire drivetrain came outof this.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/89GTA.jpg)
wiring in the computer control system was much easier than i had expected. it only took 7 wires from the EEC4 into the stock 78 wiring.
for hvac, i installed the entire hvac box from the gt into the fairmont. the pedal assemblies were a direct bolt in while the dash was out. for the radio, i installed the stock 89 mustang premium sound system, complete with rear deck speakers, the 2 dash speakers, and although i haven't wired em yet, i installed the 2 door speakers too.
i installed the mustang carpet, and front seats, but the 89 center console wouldn't match, so i used one from an 83 mustang. the rear seat will be re-upholstered to match the fronts, and i'm making a new headliner right now......and repainting all of the plastic trim either black, or the factory grey.
i drove all the way up to hershey pa for a good dash pad($150 for the dam thing) and a nearly perfect rear bumper, along with those rear interior plastic trim pieces.
i still have to handle the rust on the 1/4 panels, but that window sticker stays. :D
i haven't been able to find anything with a cowl for a fairmont that i like, so i'm gonna try to find a junkyard hood, and try to make my own cowl hood....i want to go 4" like the mustang was, and move my gauges out there.
it's taking me forever, but if i ever get her on the road, it'll be worth it. i can start driving it tomorrow if i were to register it, but i don't wanna drive a partially complete car.....
almost forgot. the engine install was crazy easy, as i simply swapped out the k-member, along with the entire front suspension, and steering. since they're both "fox" chassis, virutally everything was a bolt in.
i was gonna cut the trunk to make a stock mustang fuel tank fit, but i wanted it to look like ford built this car with fi, so i had a stock fairmont tank modified to accept the stock type electric pump.
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That Fairmont is sweet looking Cap, it's gonna look sick when you finish those mods your talking about. Mine was a 4 door futura, but I really like that 2 door look on yours. I like how you have the Mustang rims on it, nice touch.
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That Fairmont is sweet looking Cap, it's gonna look sick when you finish those mods your talking about. Mine was a 4 door futura, but I really like that 2 door look on yours. I like how you have the Mustang rims on it, nice touch.
thanks......what i;m looking for, is a set of plain center caps that fit those rims. i also have a set of drag radials on centerlines,,,,,,,,,,,now,......can you imagine that car all black? with red pinstriping?
i was tempted to consider "starsky and hutch" striping across the roof......but as much as i tend to like some tacky things, that's just a little too tacky even for me. i was however, considering a nice 60's style set of flames.........
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thanks......what i;m looking for, is a set of plain center caps that fit those rims. i also have a set of drag radials on centerlines,,,,,,,,,,,now,......can you imagine that car all black? with red pinstriping?
i was tempted to consider "starsky and hutch" striping across the roof......but as much as i tend to like some tacky things, that's just a little too tacky even for me. i was however, considering a nice 60's style set of flames.........
Yeah thats gonna look good all black with the pin striping, thats why I went with the all black on mine, just wish that I had had the money to do it right at the time, I was in high school so I didn't have much, so I couldn't afford to have it taken down to the bare metal and all repainted, after about a year it did start to bubble in some areas, but like I said I was in high school so I could only afford about $450 I think it was at Earl Scheib. But yeah the Starsky & Hutch design probably would of made it just look like a ghetto version of a Torino, so good call on not going that way, but 60's flames might look sweet.
Those cars were built like tanks though, one time in a rain storm I rear ended an Escort, that Escort was totaled, the rear doors wouldn't even close anymore, but not so much as a scratch on my Fairmont.