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Title: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Saxman on October 17, 2010, 01:00:16 PM
What are your votes for the Best and Worst movie villains of all time? Let's see how deep into Pop-Culture the community can get!

Best

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0_JyoK8RVPE/0.jpg)

Character: The Emperor
Film: Return of the Jedi

I have never seen a character in a film that just OOZES evil like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi. Maybe that's because at the time I first saw it, I was too young to watch movies like Silence of the Lambs, but there's no other character that just personifies evil in the same way. Yeah, he looks like a weak old man literally wasting away before your eyes, but there's something in the voice, and the wicked charisma McDiarmid brought to the character. Every time I hear, "Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station!" sends chills down my spine. As often as the Battle of Endor is derided, the land and space battles are just gravy. It's the cat-and-mouse mind games between Luke, Vader and the Emperor that is the true soul of the climax, and why the Luke and Vader duel in Return of the Jedi is, in my opinion, the best of all the duels and the highest point of the series. Empire Strikes Back may be the finest film in the series on the whole, but it's hard to deny that Lucas managed one last, truly great cinematic moment with this final confrontation.

And then, just when it seems the Emperor has failed, he reveals one last trick: He may look weak, but he nonetheless commands incredible power as he blasts Luke aside as if he were nothing. Vader may be the series's signature villain, but the fact that by the end of Return of the Jedi he becomes more accurately a tragic hero has to disqualify him for me. Proven in that the only way to finally stop the Emperor is his final act of sacrifice and redemption.

Worst

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Character: The Emperor
Film: Revenge of the Sith

It's really sad how I had to do this. The one truly bright spot of the Prequel Trilogy was watching Palpatine make all of his puppets dance. McDiarmid was not exactly in full-on Emperor mode yet, but all the subtlety and charisma with which he portrayed the character in Return of the Jedi was in place. While the rest of the prequels lumbered around him, it was just FUN seeing him manipulate everyone around him to achieve his ends. They could have made all three movies JUST about Palpatine, and it would have been a FAR more enjoyable experience.

Unfortunately, he peaked at one line about half-way through Episode III: "I am the Senate!" It was all down-hill from there. The most evil character in film suddenly became a platformer boss fight!

I mean it, seriously. The Emperor is sitting at the top of the Senate Chamber, while Yoda has to jump up the platforms to reach him while dodging other platforms being thrown at him. They turned the Emperor into Donkey Kong! Sure, there are a LOT of bad villains in film (Sean Connery in The Avengers, anyone?) but the fact that they took one of the BEST ever and made him into a cheesy video game boss is unforgivable.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: DEECONX on October 17, 2010, 01:23:24 PM
Well, not from a movie, but a TV series, I thought Mark Hamill as the Joker in Batman The Animated Series was excellent. I remember as a kid, the Joker giving me chills. Actually, still does  :bolt:

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Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: curry1 on October 17, 2010, 02:04:17 PM
Best Villain

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Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Simaril on October 17, 2010, 05:07:33 PM
One that gave me chills -

(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080324/Villains/In-Line-of-Fire-Malkovich_l.jpg)

In many ways this performance is the polar opposite of Palpatine - the Emperor's scene with Luke was intense but comes close to over the top, where Malkovich is so incredibly understated that he comes across as pure evil.

Didn't track down a pic when he wasn't in disguise, but to be honest I thought he was a lot scarier when he looked like a normal guy.....who clearly wasn't normal.

Creeeepy -

Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Simaril on October 17, 2010, 05:10:23 PM
Or even creepier:

(http://www.channel4.com/food/images/mb/Channel4/4Food/features/2008/feb/week_7/film_gallery/silence_of_the_lambs_gallery--gt_full_width_landscape.jpg)


IMHO Hands down, the best movie villain of all time.



Fava beans anyone?
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: crazyivan on October 17, 2010, 05:17:07 PM
BEST:  

Darth Vader : Star Wars

Jason Vorhess : Friday the 13th

Micheal Myers: Halloween

Wicked witch of the west: Wizard of oz :D

Arnold : Terminator

WORST:

Penguin: Batman Returns

Terminator 3: Worst movie ever made!

Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: crazyivan on October 17, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
Or even creepier:

(http://www.channel4.com/food/images/mb/Channel4/4Food/features/2008/feb/week_7/film_gallery/silence_of_the_lambs_gallery--gt_full_width_landscape.jpg)


IMHO Hands down, the best movie villain of all time.



Fava beans anyone?
:aok
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: fbWldcat on October 17, 2010, 05:25:12 PM
Best "Villain"
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Wild Bill Wharton. Played his part like he had just read Stephen King's thoughts.

Worst "Villain"
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Really? You are a love deprived squid being whose weakness is dry land? You have to bring out cthulhu to kill anyone important, and your crew is a bunch of dim-witted fish/crustacean people. Plus, you can't even save yourself when you are about to be stabbed in the heart by the "good guy," a few feet away.

My favorites in the area of POTC is...
#1: The Black Pearl
#2: The Dead Man's Chest
#3: At World's End
#'s 2 and 3 had their moments, #2 more than #3, but in the end, neither of them rank in the top 50.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: 68valu on October 17, 2010, 06:25:15 PM
I like Alan Rickman in Robin Hood as the sheriff of Nottingham.
When things started going bad he decided to retaliate by "no more tablescraps for the lepers, and cancel Christmas!!"
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Treize69 on October 17, 2010, 06:31:42 PM
I like Alan Rickman in Robin Hood as the sheriff of Nottingham.
When things started going bad he decided to retaliate by "no more tablescraps for the lepers, and cancel Christmas!!"

"You, my room, 10:30. You, 10:45. Bring a friend."

Best, at least in terms of character and menace for me (and I can't believe I'm liking something from a Tim Burton movie...)-

(http://classes.nancypaulinesimpson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/headless-horseman-at-sleepy-hollow.jpg)
(http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sleepy-hollow32.jpg)
(http://www.movievillains.com/images/headless.jpg)

Worst-

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Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Blooz on October 17, 2010, 07:23:42 PM
Best villain?

That's easy.

Heddy Lamarr!




(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/4964225723_a490401e38_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Slash27 on October 17, 2010, 07:43:37 PM
Best villain?

That's easy.

Heddy Lamarr!




(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4106/4964225723_a490401e38_z.jpg)
:aok :rofl
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Scherf on October 17, 2010, 08:01:27 PM
Dennis Hopper in, what was it, Blue Velvet?

Worst "villain" had to be Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now.  "What, kill that dude? He's like, obese and all, but evil? studmuffingedabahtid!"
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: thndregg on October 17, 2010, 10:47:23 PM
I always enjoy Wesely Snipes' character "Simon Pheonix" in Demolition Man.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/ladylavinia/pic/006d2hz5/s320x240)
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: bozon on October 18, 2010, 04:33:51 AM
The two Grubers from Die Hard 1&3:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1929902
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Melvin on October 18, 2010, 07:24:09 AM
Dennis Hopper in, what was it, Blue Velvet?

Worst "villain" had to be Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now.  "What, kill that dude? He's like, obese and all, but evil? studmuffingedabahtid!"

His name was Frank Booth in Blue Velvet. Easily the creepiest villain going. I wish I could post up a few scenes here for others to enjoy, but Skuzzy would perma-ban me for them. I highly reccomend that movie, but at least check out a few Youtube clips if you don't wanna sit through the whole thing.

Heinekin?      F@#K THAT S#*T!          PABST BLUE RIBBON!

<S> Melvin
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Plawranc on October 18, 2010, 05:52:56 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Sawiii.jpg)

Best: Jigsaw from the SAW series.

Twisted, evil, demented murderer. Putting people in ironic positions to meet their doom. And his motive of all things? To make people VALUE their life. I love irony

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Gunray_eu_bg.jpg)

Worst Villan: Nute Gunray

Ohhhohohhhh your going to "stop trade" with some moron little planet in the middle of nowhere, your going to lose an entire ship to a pair of Jedi Knights, and your entire fleet will be destroyed by a 4 year old. What a loser, wimp. And on top of this, your going to put capital hill politicians to shame with your lame no good politics, complaining and denying anything and everything.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: 68valu on October 18, 2010, 06:17:59 PM
How about Bruce Dern in the movie "The Cowboys"
I hated him for killing John Wayne for years.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Scherf on October 18, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
I swear there's an auto-skuzzinator coaded into the forum software. I honestly can't recall saying anything about studs, or muffins either, for that matter,.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: APDrone on October 18, 2010, 08:13:33 PM

'Best'

Still one of the more messed up movies I've seen.

(http://www.ka4zzq.com/Mongrels/samara.jpg)

Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Scherf on October 18, 2010, 08:33:04 PM
Is that a Japanese horror flick?

Swedes do the little girl / monster bit much better. "Let the right one in" is a hell of a movie, much better apparently than the current hollywood remake.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: APDrone on October 18, 2010, 08:40:05 PM
It's 'The Ring'

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298130/

Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Belial on October 18, 2010, 08:50:25 PM
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8872/cenobiteshellraiser1986.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/cenobiteshellraiser1986.jpg/)

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This movie creeped me out
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: JunkyII on October 18, 2010, 09:03:45 PM
Surprised me when I didnt see this as the Joker for best villain.

(http://www.newhotstuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/joker2.jpg)

worst

got to agree with treize...
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: phatzo on October 18, 2010, 09:33:43 PM
brick top is my favorite villain
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yKb_lWOpUS8/SnK0daT1ROI/AAAAAAAAAII/CrjzNEx2KPE/s400/8.jpg)
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: 1sum41 on October 18, 2010, 09:50:01 PM
Surprised me when I didnt see this as the Joker for best villain.

(http://www.newhotstuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/joker2.jpg)


+1
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: kilo2 on October 18, 2010, 10:11:58 PM
brick top is my favorite villain
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yKb_lWOpUS8/SnK0daT1ROI/AAAAAAAAAII/CrjzNEx2KPE/s400/8.jpg)

In the quite words of the virgin mary...come again?

Brick Top is great.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Scherf on October 18, 2010, 10:21:21 PM
Heheh. I could never look at pork products quite the same way after that guy.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: phatzo on October 18, 2010, 10:30:53 PM
Heheh. I could never look at pork products quite the same way after that guy.
a true villain with a c
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: rpm on October 19, 2010, 03:02:32 AM
(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/prof%20fate02_59315.jpg)
Professor Fate
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: SgtPappy on October 19, 2010, 09:03:03 AM
I dunno, Sax.

I don't think the Emperor was that bad in Ep III. Not as epic as the original but what would you have done to make the fight scene better? Would you have made a fight scene at all? Personally, I think it was important to see Palps fight at least once in Emperor mode.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: DEECONX on October 19, 2010, 09:34:57 AM
Surprised me when I didnt see this as the Joker for best villain.

(http://www.newhotstuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/joker2.jpg)

worst

got to agree with treize...

Because it's a given... :noid


Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Sabre on October 19, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/prof%20fate02_59315.jpg)
Professor Fate

Dang, beat me to it.  Ties for best and worst movie villain of all time. :banana:
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Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: JunkyII on October 19, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Because it's a given... :noid



true  :aok

Bricktop is awesome...in fact that movie is just awesome


Ze Germans?
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: Saxman on October 19, 2010, 05:46:04 PM
I dunno, Sax.

I don't think the Emperor was that bad in Ep III. Not as epic as the original but what would you have done to make the fight scene better? Would you have made a fight scene at all? Personally, I think it was important to see Palps fight at least once in Emperor mode.

The same thing I would have done to fix the Dooku/Yoda fight in Episode II: A contest of pure Force mastery. Yoda flipping around like a leprechaun on crack was absolutely ludicrous to watch. I had always envisioned him as a being so powerful he didn't even NEED to use a lightsaber. The same is the case with the Emperor, a man of such mastery of the Dark Side he had no need of a lightsaber, even to fight another Jedi. The only thing having the Emperor and Yoda actually FIGHT satisfied was the ADD kids who get bored when there's not enough explosions and flashy lights on the screen.

More to the point: Yoda Force-smashing the two Imperial Guardsmen into the wall? Awesome. Yoda flying through the air like some turbo-charged anime reject? Just one of MANY ridiculous moments that destroyed the prequels.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: OSU on October 19, 2010, 09:56:30 PM
Surprised me when I didnt see this as the Joker for best villain.

(http://www.newhotstuff.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/joker2.jpg)

worst

got to agree with treize...

Definitely have to agree with your best. He thoroughly creeped me out. A close second would be Scarecrow from Batman Begins. I loved that movie! Maybe even more than The Dark Night.

The same thing I would have done to fix the Dooku/Yoda fight in Episode II: A contest of pure Force mastery. Yoda flipping around like a leprechaun on crack was absolutely ludicrous to watch. I had always envisioned him as a being so powerful he didn't even NEED to use a lightsaber. The same is the case with the Emperor, a man of such mastery of the Dark Side he had no need of a lightsaber, even to fight another Jedi. The only thing having the Emperor and Yoda actually FIGHT satisfied was the ADD kids who get bored when there's not enough explosions and flashy lights on the screen.

More to the point: Yoda Force-smashing the two Imperial Guardsmen into the wall? Awesome. Yoda flying through the air like some turbo-charged anime reject? Just one of MANY ridiculous moments that destroyed the prequels.

I dunno. I liked Revenge of the Sith the best out of all six movies (and its my favorite movie of all time). As for my second favorite it would have to be a tie between TESB and ROTJ. A new Hope in third, followed by AOTC then TPM. I love ROTS because it is just soooooo epic in my opinion.

Yes some things looked cheesy, and I wish that Lucas had made the battle between Yoda and Sidious much better and longer. You are right in saying that neither of them needed lightsabers. To quote the words of Matthew Stover who wrote the novelization of ROTS (awesome book, my favorite Star Wars book ever) it wasn't just Yoda vs. Sidious, it was the Master of all Jedi vs. the Master of all Sith, the fundamental conflict of the universe itself. Light versus Dark. Both had waited nearly one thousand years for that very moment. One would think that they would give it their absolute best to totally vanquish the other once and for all. Lucas could have had a movie with 3 hours of phenomenal material that would have blown everyone away.
Title: Re: Best and Worst Movie Villains
Post by: SoonerMP on October 19, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
How about Bruce Dern in the movie "The Cowboys"
I hated him for killing John Wayne for years.
I heard Bruce Dern had a hard time finding work after that movie because so many people had that exact same feeling.

I mean really??? How can you pull a cheap shot like that on the Duke?