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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FiLtH on October 19, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
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I can't wait for the first missed tackle because a guy let up that goes for a touch down. They get paid for the risk. Lose the risk, lose the reward I say...and they can make what the rest of us make in our jobs.
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Kind of find it funny that running backs lower their head all the time but never will see that called. Head hunting i agree with and should be flagged and fined. But sometimes when you go to hit some one if the offensive guy ducks into it you get helmet to helmet and a defensive penalty.
The D. Robinson hit on Jackson was a legal hit. Jackson caught the damn ball, you really want to give the guy a chance to get his feet on the ground and make a move before you can hit him? League is only going to get softer. You could always just go for the legs, end his career. Had a neighbor that played and when they started to crack down on the "spearing", he said "some times it's just going to happen, you line up a hit and the guy try's to make a move or put his shoulder down and you hit heads."
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Kind of find it funny that running backs lower their head all the time but never will see that called. Head hunting i agree with and should be flagged and fined. But sometimes when you go to hit some one if the offensive guy ducks into it you get helmet to helmet and a defensive penalty.
The D. Robinson hit on Jackson was a legal hit. Jackson caught the damn ball, you really want to give the guy a chance to hit to get his feet on the ground and make a move before you can hit him? League is only going to get softer.
Agreed. Wonder when they're gonna start wearing those big blow-up sumo suits.
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Agree. It's giving me less of a reason to watch the NFL Games.
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Must have NASCAR officials making rules for the NFL now... :headscratch:
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I think it is more aimed at folks like Brandon Meriweather. What he did was an obvious attempt at causing injury. He should be suspended.
The game is going to have hits and accidents. Any time bodies are moving in opposite directions and make contact it can be bone shattering.
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I say let em play, the rules don't need changed.
Maybe even go back to leather helmets with no face masks. That would cut down on the head hunting.
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Agreed. Wonder when they're gonna start wearing those big blow-up sumo suits.
LMAO, i was thinking the same earlier
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Just my thoughts here... sorry if I offend anybody but......
Over the many decades I have been following Football I have seen many changes. Each time the rules are tightened to avoid injury .. at least that is what the Officials have been saying. IN reality most of the changes have actually been to increase scoring potential because Football until the "Sissy Boy contact rulez" that started coming about in the 70's used to be all about Ball Control on the ground. But IMHO that is ok cause up to then we were'nt listening to powerwhiners on TV bemoan the trials and tribulations of Professional Sports.
Now in our world of "No Risk, No Hazard Allowed" everybody is suffering from a severe case of PB (Panty Bunch) at the thought of actually getting hurt. Not be ignore the serious injuries that have been and can ocurr on the field but hey... we all make our "Choices". Pretty soon we will be watching Balloon Pad Clad Gladiators in Tutu's sporting Nerf Helmets for the fear of getting hurt.
OK.. what about the guys that work under the laod of a Crane holding 100k+ lbs for like $30 an hour? How about the Cops making the arrest of some Whackjob Junky for like $70k a year where each encounter with a Citizen could be the last thing they do in their life. Just a few examples of how the rest of us live and make our choices.
So I dont care to hear about proffessional atheletes that make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and only play < 20 min Leage Game a year. Or those that are near or at the top end where their earnings are in the millions or tens of millions per year. I really dont care to hear the whining or hand wringing about the risk. Hey lets get real, you made your choice... you take your chances.
OK that's it from that perspectice.. now from a different one.
How about this for something to think about. The more safe we make the game the more aggressive the players can get because hey, there is no more risk. They can go freakin crazy on the field cause hey.. no more risk..other than that slight bit where if you go over the edge and actually do get hurt you prolly are either dead or very near it.
OK... now got my Flametard coat on cause I am sure many will smak me for being cruel and heartless and insensitive about the plight of the Professional Athelete.
If ya look real hard in the corner of my eye ya might see a teeny tiny tear for em... I used to be one of the guys working under the crane for like $20k a year..... I have no sympathy for yas..
Later,
KayBay
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Pretty soon we will be watching Balloon Pad Clad Gladiators in Tutu's sporting Nerf Helmets for the fear of getting hurt....
and they won't be Japanese.
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Contact between players has and always will happen. Head to head should be treated like roughing the passer or the kicker. The players are well compensated for the risks they put themselves into.
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Note that as these big hits (and all the ESPN "jacked up" and even the NFL's own highlights on its web sites glorifying them) have become more en vogue, tackling itself has become much worse. Guys go for the highlight reel hit instead of making sure they tackle the guy. Defense might actually improve if they start enforcing this and get the media to stop glorifying it.
Also note how the hitters are getting hurt almost as often as the guys they are hitting.
Leading with the helmet is pretty much a bad thing all around.
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One of the analysts on ESPN this morning made an interesting observation. Since when a player sees he's going to hit one of things they try to do is get low to make them harder to bring down, the analyst was speculating that the defenders are going to have to lower their heads even more which could lead to taking hits to the top of the head which apparently has a higher chance of causing spinal and other serious injuries.
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football is inheritly a rough sport to start with. next thing you know it will be 2 hand touch or flag football with spongie ground
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I played football all through high school and then 3 years of college (Div.III). I was a 5'9", 185 corner, that, on a regular basis, got his brains knocked out. Not only by 300lb. pulling guards and fullbacks that weighed in at 250, but by halfbacks and tight ends that weighed just as much as I did.
I did it because I loved the game, not because I had any shots at getting paid for it.
These guys that are playing in the MFL (the Mutha....errr...wait...NFL), are the biggest, fastest, and hardest hitting guys in just about any sport. Yea, we got big guys in hockey and rugby and Aussie rules football, etc., but for the most part, these guys are just plain BIG.
Despite that size and strength, there's still a limit to what any human being can take. These guys make the conscience decision to go and play pro ball. With the big-dollar contracts comes the risk of getting hurt, sometimes seriously. Pay me the league minimum for a rookie ($310K for 2010) and I'll go out there and hit anything that moves. That's 6 years' worth of my regular pay.
I look at these huge contracts, I look at ticket prices, and I understand that its just a business. Players, for the most part, are idiots. If you made tens of millions of dollars over a 5-10 year pro football career, would you be smart and prepare knowing that you've got a career expectancy of less than 10 years? Would you invest? Or would you buy a huge house and dozens of cars, knowing full well that after you retire (or have a career-ending injury) that you won't be able to sustain it?
Concussions, head-hunting, and cheap hits are always going to be a part of the game. In some instances, its deliberate, in others, it happens simply because of the way two players come together. This is where instant replay should play a bigger role, in determining the circumstances of the hit. The game has slowed down enough now (along with network replays and TV timeouts) that there's no reason for the upstairs official to look at a play and determine if it was intentional or accidental.
I watched a game last week, a lineman came through the line, was held, spun around (he had his back to the QB at this point), and was blocked into the QB. The lineman's hand hit the QB on the helmet, bang, 15-yard penalty. The lineman never even knew he hit the QB's helmet (who lowered his head and moved to the side to avoid the contact). This is perfect example of how the rules have gotten out of hand (no pun intended).
Personally, I think cops and combat soldiers deserve to be paid the highest salaries.
J
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If they cant hit hard anymore whats the point of having a good defense at all? The NFL is already moving toward the "Who ever can put up the most points" game anyway.
edit:sounded dumb after reading that, I meant most of those good teams the past years, Colts,Steelers, Patriots could almost always count on their offense to put up high score 21-28 plus
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Pretty soon it will be flag football :O or better yet 2 hand touch...I am about ready to stop watching football this b/s is getting out of control... :mad:
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I never played football. But seeing how some players lower their head....just waiting for something going wrong. Personally, i think it is a natural behavior for people to lower their heads then they feel secure with the helmet protecting them. Think about it, they player football for 10, 20 years and having been doing that. It just come natural.
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I never played football. But seeing how some players lower their head....just waiting for something going wrong. Personally, i think it is a natural behavior for people to lower their heads then they feel secure with the helmet protecting them. Think about it, they player football for 10, 20 years and having been doing that. It just come natural.
It is natural to lower your head but the first day you go out to play at any level they tell you to hit what you see, you put your shoulder down and keep your head eyes up. Some people just drop there head anyways as a reaction. Regardless I saw what i hit and got KTFO 3 times and an accidental Helmet to Helmet diving for an on sides kick. When your running full steam ahead and the other moves just enough you go from aiming square in the chest to helmet to face mask or fore head to fore head. They can do what ever they want but it will keep happening.
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When the purpose of the "hit" is to hit the opposing player as hard as possible so that a tough guy/victory dance can be had and bragging rights can be claimed instead of making the tackle, that is wrong in so many ways. Try for the tackle, not the hit. Save the dancin' for the club.
The effect on game play will be minimal, if at all.
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Having played DivI NCAA football as a linebacker (during the Nixon Administration, long time ago) we were taught to lower our bodies for leverage and KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
So you can see WHERE your helmet wil be when you hit the opposing player. You lower your eyes and helmet to hit the ball, or to make sure you place your head down tackle
to the side of the body, helmet not on the body and driving into the player with your shoulder. Drive your shoulder using your legs through the opponent or the ball. We
were not taught how to use the Helmet as a weapon, but to dislodge the ball and not SPEAR the player.
I recall a long time ago, one of the dirtiest players in the NFL by the name of Ben Davidson of the Oakland Raiders actually driving his helmet into Len Dawson when Dawson was down and on the ground.
Davidson SPEARED........dove in helmet first head down. Started a great fight as I recall.
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I played Saftey and Corner, when someone came across the middle or in the flat i'd light them up. Not head hunting but would try to put myself through their chest and out their back. Amazing how they would start to grow alligator arms and watch for a hit rather than the ball. It's part of the game, a lot of them like dance like fools but that hit serves notice. It seems like they hit so they can dance but hell i think they just dancing when they do it after the guy just 15 yds and jumped up like nothing happened.
Look at Chuck Cecil's career, not the fastest guy out there but made a living just taking people out. WR's knew he was there and it made a difference in the middle of the field.
Thinking about it now Smookin i wouldn't mind it if they cut the ridiculous dances after every play.
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While we're talking football, I wouldnt mind seeing pass int. go to a 15yd instead of spot of foul. Real cheap way to get yardage.
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While we're talking football, I wouldnt mind seeing pass int. go to a 15yd instead of spot of foul. Real cheap way to get yardage.
also real cheap way for a DB to say eff it, and pull a jersey 40 yds down field and only get 15 out of it. Had a friend in high school literally dive and take the guys feet out before the ball was half way there, funniest thing i ever saw but was pretty smart. He was burned for a TD had he not hit that guys feet.
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I can't wait for the first missed tackle because a guy let up that goes for a touch down. They get paid for the risk. Lose the risk, lose the reward I say...and they can make what the rest of us make in our jobs.
They don't get paid for risk. They get paid for being elite athletes. Anytime you can make the players considerably safer without compromising the game too much, you should do it. That's why there is a fair catch, roughing the kicker, and roughing the passer rules. The object of the game is to tackle the guy with the ball so the play is over, not to injure the other player so he has to come out of the game.
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The object of the game is to tackle the guy with the ball so the play is over, not to injure the other player so he has to come out of the game.
that may not be the object but i hate to break it to you but there are such things as bounties out there.
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that may not be the object but i hate to break it to you but there are such things as bounties out there.
Ok?
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Im sure the owner want to keep their big money guys safe, but as a fan I want to see the hits. Its part of the game. How else do you keep the guy from catching a 20 yrd pass, other to time the hit?
When you think of all the other guys who are almost as good as the elite guys, who are waiting for a call, doing some other work, the elites arent worth what they are paid in my book. Like others said, many do much more dangerous work for less.
Pass me some more grapes Leonitis...I hear the lions will be released soon (roar of crowd)
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pretty soon its gonna be illegal to tackle a person in football, you can get a concussion just as easy from a legal tackle then a illegal one. while leading with the helmet aka spearing can get you hurt alot more easily, i saw one hit that didnt seem to be meant but resulted in helmet to helmet hit, the helmets where just in the right position at the point of tackle, just cause they hit and they will doesn't mean it was meant. how do you determine if it was meant or just a accident. what do you do when someone gets hurt on a accidental helmet to helmet hit. i mean the point of football is to make it to the super bowl, right? so if you have to tone down your defense and afraid to make a play that could help your team get to the super bowl, whats the point?
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pretty soon its gonna be illegal to tackle a person in football
Um... fail.
you can get a concussion just as easy from a legal tackle then a illegal one. while leading with the helmet aka spearing can get you hurt alot more easily, i saw one hit that didnt seem to be meant but resulted in helmet to helmet hit, the helmets where just in the right position at the point of tackle
Epic fail. That's like saying it's just as easy to break your neck in a 15 mph car collision as it is in a 70mph collision because it has happened before. There's something called the theory of probability that you might want to look into.
i mean the point of football is to make it to the super bowl, right? so if you have to tone down your defense and afraid to make a play that could help your team get to the super bowl, whats the point?
[sarcasm] Ya I know right and the point of baseball is to get to the world series so why not just throw the pitches at their best player's head? [/sarcasm]
Sorry for picking on you but your post just really irritated me, sentence after sentence.
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pick away! i am a big boy i can take it.
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A hit is a hit...if the guys can't hold on to the ball with someone coming at them then they don't need to be making the big money. FWIW I played TE in college and know about the hits. I also played with a few guys that went on to the NFL and spent plenty of time there so I know its a little bit different but only because EVERYONE in the NFL other than the QB can hit like the best LB's and SS's in college any day of the week.
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Alot of people here are on the misconception of not being able to hit hard.
That isn't the problem, its players that purposely commit helmet to helmet or leading with the helmet contact on a defenseless player, period. That's it.
Game suspension is the only way to get the players attention to not "hit" someone using their helmet while in an undefended or compromised position, instead of using the actual tackling techniques.
Accidents will happen, but to purposely inflict a hit to where it can cause bodily harm to the extent of permanent injury or even death is not sport, it is just criminal.
Remember, this problem is not just in the NFL and in college, there have been instances of kids of various ages being paralyzed from contact as this.
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I think it is more aimed at folks like Brandon Meriweather.
Most of the hits Sunday, defensive players were going for the ball or tackle. The case of this NE player was neither. Sweep the leg Johnny!
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