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Title: Bombing carriers
Post by: vafiii on October 22, 2010, 01:47:59 PM
Make it harder for high altitude bombers to take out a carrier from 15,000 feet. No way you can hit a moving carrier from that altitude. Leave the bombing of carriers to dive bombers and torpedo planes and let the fight rage on!
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Karnak on October 22, 2010, 01:49:23 PM
Make it harder for high altitude bombers to take out a carrier from 15,000 feet. No way you can hit a moving carrier from that altitude. Leave the bombing of carriers to dive bombers and torpedo planes and let the fight rage on!
Move the carrier.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: ttflier on October 22, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
It is already difficult to bomb a carrier from 15K feet, calculating the lead, allowing for bomb spread and anticipating the carrier's turn radius.  Most successful bomber pilots will usually bomb from 10K feet or less, making us far more accessable to low alt. fighters and puffy ack.

-1
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Jayhawk on October 22, 2010, 01:54:22 PM
:lol

You've got how many seconds to turn the carrier when dropping from that height?

10k is not that hard to drop a carrier, 15k is more difficult, but when the ship is traveling strait and at a constant speed, its not hard to predict where it's gonna be.

Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: guncrasher on October 22, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
I drop from 6k any higher than that and it is just a waste of time.  and even at 6k I find that sometimes some wise crack will move the cv just in time to make me miss.  imagine how easy it is to avoid from 15k.

sorry but if a single bomb falls on the cv from 15k it deserves to be sunk.


semp
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: vafiii on October 22, 2010, 02:02:47 PM
Every carrier fight ends with high altitude bombers taking out a moving, turning carrier. I watch a lot of WW2 films and footage and have never seen B-17's or B-25's bomb carriers. No way you can hit a moving, turning carrier with a bomb from 10,000 feet in real life. No way!
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: APDrone on October 22, 2010, 02:04:41 PM
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... No way you can hit a moving carrier from that altitude.
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The bomber doesn't hit the CV.  The bomber drops bombs and the CV runs into them.  

No different than airplanes fighting each other.. just a lot slower.

Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Jayhawk on October 22, 2010, 02:04:57 PM
Every carrier fight ends with high altitude bombers taking out a moving, turning carrier. I watch a lot of WW2 films and footage and have never seen B-17's or B-25's bomb carriers. No way you can hit a moving, turning carrier with a bomb from 10,000 feet in real life. No way!

Well it's a good thing this is a GAME.

p.s. See quote below.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: whiteman on October 22, 2010, 02:08:46 PM
Every carrier fight ends with high altitude bombers taking out a moving, turning carrier. I watch a lot of WW2 films and footage and have never seen B-17's or B-25's bomb carriers. No way you can hit a moving, turning carrier with a bomb from 10,000 feet in real life. No way!

if they got rid of the easy mode bomb site bombers would be flying low enough to easily intercept and those that did stay high would have a harder time calibrating over water with the manual site. I've tried the manual site over water in the AVA, not the easiest thing for the average person.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: LLogann on October 22, 2010, 02:09:46 PM
If somebody is buffing at 15k and drops on a cv, the only reason that cv sank is because of the cv Commander.  

But your whine has been noted........   :aok
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: RTHolmes on October 22, 2010, 04:44:03 PM
Make it harder for high altitude bombers to take out a carrier from 15,000 feet. No way you can hit a moving carrier from that altitude. Leave the bombing of carriers to dive bombers and torpedo planes and let the fight rage on!

+1 :aok
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: guncrasher on October 23, 2010, 12:50:21 AM
Every carrier fight ends with high altitude bombers taking out a moving, turning carrier. I watch a lot of WW2 films and footage and have never seen B-17's or B-25's bomb carriers. No way you can hit a moving, turning carrier with a bomb from 10,000 feet in real life. No way!

did you see any bases taken over by a cv during world war 2?  were the landing craft part of the fleet?

semp
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: HawkerMKII on October 23, 2010, 08:34:23 AM
Go on and make it harder for some one to hit cv from 15k. I'll just do what I always do.....B-26's noe, pop up when ack flies....by bye cv :airplane:
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: EDO43 on October 23, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
hehehehe....I hit one the other night from 30,000 ft while it was in a turn.  Probably once in a lifetime feat but had I more eggs left, it probably would've sunk.  (Had just finished dropping the FH's at A2 on Uterus Map).  I should've saved the film but didn't since I did not sink it.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: bj229r on October 23, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
Did any of our B17 runs from Midway even SCRATCH a cv?
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Karnak on October 23, 2010, 11:21:51 AM
Did any of our B17 runs from Midway even SCRATCH a cv?
Nope, but the CVs also didn't steam straight ahead as if nothing was happening.


The Japanese did score some hits on Repulse and Prince of Wales from level bombers.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Beefcake on October 23, 2010, 11:56:58 AM
Of course lets not forget that the "war" in Aces High has been raging for 10 years and some of the Vet Buff pilots have a lot of hours under their belt bombing CVs. Granted I don't know the total numbers but I'm willing to guesstimate that most bombardiers that actually got a chance to bomb a CV only did it once or twice during the war, where as in the MA on a good map a buff pilot could sink 4-5 CVs in a single night. Practice makes perfect.

Rather than making CV's harder to bomb why not fly cap over the CV and intercept the bombers when they come into range?
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Jayhawk on October 23, 2010, 12:05:49 PM
Rather than making CV's harder to bomb why not fly cap over the CV and intercept the bombers when they come into range?

That can't work, that requires effort, patience, and planning, there is no room for that kind of thinking in the MA.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: fbEagle on October 23, 2010, 03:00:06 PM
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Every carrier fight ends with high altitude bombers taking out a moving, turning carrier. I watch a lot of WW2 films and footage and have never seen B-17's or B-25's bomb carriers. No way you can hit a moving, turning carrier with a bomb from 10,000 feet in real life. No way!
Watch Me...  :aok
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Rino on October 23, 2010, 03:05:29 PM
That can't work, that requires effort, patience, and planning, there is no room for that kind of thinking in the MA.

     Yep, just like the laser bomb sights and no weather input :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: curry1 on October 24, 2010, 01:50:39 PM
i have bombed a cv at 29k once in a lanc it was legit.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: E25280 on October 24, 2010, 08:30:05 PM
And exactly how is HiTech supposed to make bombing a CV harder?  A bomber is aiming for a given point on the landscape, not the CV.  He will miss if the CV is not there when the bombs land.  The only way to make it harder to bomb a CV is if you make it harder to accurately bomb a given point on the landscape.  If you do that, then you have also made it harder to hit hangers/strats/town/etc.  While some may applaud that, overall it would be a bad thing for the game.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: RTHolmes on October 24, 2010, 08:47:59 PM
And exactly how is HiTech supposed to make bombing a CV harder?

by modelling CV ack better, so anything flying in a straight line for 20s or so near the CV gets wasted.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: guncrasher on October 24, 2010, 09:24:29 PM
MeF4u flew cap over cf last night.  Dank bastage killed my buffs before I had a chance to drop.  Good thing for me most players don't cap cf.


Semp
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Void on October 24, 2010, 10:21:50 PM
by modelling CV ack better, so anything flying in a straight line for 20s or so near the CV gets wasted.

Or modelling the ack so the bomber would shake furiously and have more of a chance to miss the target?
That could be bad for the torpedo bombers that is prowling torward the CV.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: BrownBaron on October 24, 2010, 10:59:31 PM
by modelling CV ack better, so anything flying in a straight line for 20s or so near the CV gets wasted.

Ack is too uber already. I can't recall the last time I didn't get nailed from 15K out while dogfighting near a CV.
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: RTHolmes on October 25, 2010, 03:44:55 AM
yeah, like I said model it better. if you were dogfighting, u probably werent flying in a straight line for 20s or so near the CV...
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: Seadog36 on October 25, 2010, 05:07:51 AM
Who cares? The whole cv group magically reappears in 15 min. With that kind of industrial output its no great loss.  :cry :cry
Title: Re: Bombing carriers
Post by: AAJagerX on October 25, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Popping a CV from 10K is remarkably easy when you get the technique down.  Good calibration, 1 CV length of lead at 10K, 9 out of 10 times you'll send it to Davy Jones' locker.  Even if someone turns it, it's usually easy enough to correct for, as the bombs will be there before the cv is more than 25-30 degrees off center.  

EDIT:  Someone (Bish) the other night gave me fits by "snaking" the cv with very mild S turns while maintaing the same basic heading.  Lancs would've popped it, but I was in a Mossy without a formation.  Splash damage from the cookie still lit the candle even though I missed by a good 50 feet.