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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: JunkyII on October 25, 2010, 06:59:07 PM
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In no way am I trying to flame the pilot in this film or any particular Brewster Pilot in the game(except Hoagi).
Everyone probably knows by now that I hate Brewsters, this film is the best way for me to show why I don't like.
Reasons for my hate...
1.Plane is used as a crutch but has an eny of 30.
2.Dweebyness is exaggerated in it by most pilots through the use of ack-hugging, HOs and gangbanging.
The Film....Below is the link, and under that are times where certain things happen.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1e4jv2ng2cy2faq
Right off the bat I know Im not in good shape, this was a "I dont give a crap" sorties. He gets 400 off my six but yet can't kill me, I dont consider myself that good at this game, but a semi decent stick would have easily of killed me. What this tells me is that new sticks/Hoagi type sticks are flying it as a crutch because they either havn't learned ACM yet or just can't grasp the idea about it.
At 3:21 he turns toward the HO...
3:48 Ack hugging
4:40 He uses ack as cover to get more alt, then dives back into it.
7:00 Runs into the ack
7:15 Turns for the HO
7:40 Dives in the ack to gain speed for a zoom climb
8:24 Dives in ack...but I started getting angry :aok
This is what most of the Brewsters do that I fight in the MA. They make it just like the WWI arena where all the dweebiness is exaggerated. They are used as a crutch for perk farming and for some scorewhoring.
The eny needs to be lowered.
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IN BEFORE WMAKER
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IN BEFORE WMAKER
:rofl :rofl :rofl I came a bit more prepared this time :rock
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IN BEFORE WMAKER
SECONDED!
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Well after watching film you lost situational awareness when you climbed for Typh & Brewster jumped you. Then you tried to fight his fight with rolling scissors. Then you extend over 3.0k away & turned back for him & fly in to ack first to get him & he had already turned in to you & was heading away from base.
You had all the advantages with a more powerful aircraft & then you decided no matter what the Brew was going to go down. Out side of an attempted HO attempt by the Brewster I can't fault him at all it seems he wanted was to land & you kept coming back in to the ack to get him? I say he flew a smart fight.
Outside of your spud shots you just screwed up & then your going to cry about the UBER Brewster.
Sorry no sympathy on this film.
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So basically you're blaming a plane for a pilot's tactics? Last time I checked it wasn't the plane that forced someone to pull the trigger for a head on pass or force a pilot to repeatedly dive or run to his acks for safety. What you described in your "time line" and show in your film is nothing more than dweeb flying and happens in any plane in this game.
Don't blame the plane for the pilot's dweebish flying habits.
ack-ack
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well i have come to enjoy using the Brew as a close in base defender. when a base is being piled on by a horde the Brew is a good ride to up for its defence.
now i didn't watch your film as i have no interest in "downloading" it to watch, got enough junk on my comp as it is and i hate mediafire, (why don't people just post on youtube????????) but from your own description it sounds an awful lot like you were encroaching on the base and he was defending it in a knife fighter pose. question, how many of you were attacking? and how many defending? or did you chase him from some far point to run him down and kill him on rtb? my point is you were at his base, why were you there?
as far as his "Ho's" well when a slower turny plane is confronted by a fast boom and zoom plane the the first best and most reliable defence is to turn into your attacker. it shortens the distance, gives you the advantage that he must now maneuver to avoid the collide, gives you angles of attack when he turns away and puts you at a strategic advantage if the attacker intends to continue the turn to reengage without doing the "run away 3k then return with advantage" thing.
when you say "he turned towards the Ho" did he fire at you? otherwise his just turning into you isn't a Ho its a tactical maneuver. and how many B&Z passes at him did you make? did you dump your speed, E and alt advantage to meet him on even ground?
from what you describe you spent 5 minutes chasing around an inferior plane (as you neglected to mention what you were in i am lead to believe it was probably something much faster with alot more guns, or at least bigger ones) that you had advantage on and you failed to catch him. he used every tool at his limited disposal to defend against your advantageous attacks, you don't like it cause he worked the situation and you didn't get the easy kill you were looking for.
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Brew is just like the spit16, most pilots fly it because it has an advantage over some other planes. The ease of turning in it has attracted some pilots who are challenged by flying other planes with lesser qualities.
*NOTE*: Most is in there for a reason, mostly to avoid WMaker :)
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So your argument is with brewster pilots and not the aircraft itself and yet you believe this is a valid argument for lowering said planes ENY? :headscratch: All I saw in the film was a lapse in SA and you got caught low with a brewster d400 which you managed to defend very well (the same cannot be said about most brewsters at d400) but then seemed to get frustrated and follow him into the ack.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl I came a bit more prepared this time :rock
Really? I really don't see how you are "prepared".
How does lowering or rising the ENY of any given plane have anything to do with the actions of a single pilot flying the said plane during a single sortie in the sim?
As per usual, you aren't making a whole a lot of sense, JunkyII.
Glad you made it official that you hate the Brewster though. Now everyone can, with a good reason, take anything you say about the plane with a grain of salt.
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I like going 500 IAS in my BREW :neener:
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I like going 500 IAS in my BREW :neener:
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Brewsters are overmodeled, If seems as if the U.S would have made them instead of trading them we would have won the war by next X-mas
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Yea. And i had a brew stay with my 234 going 500+ for a while.
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Brewsters are overmodeled, If seems as if the U.S would have made them instead of trading them we would have won the war by next X-mas
I hope you're just trolling. Because if not,
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9495/1262374845371.jpg)
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Ohhh... the drama!
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I love a good Brewster whine. :aok
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I quite like fighting Brewsters, at least the ones I encounter tend to stick around and duke it out to the bitter end.
I do however have a question since I start to see them more and more with U.S. skins, I understood the model we have was unique to the Finns?
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Not really, also the US Navy had that version in use, although not many.
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They are used as a crutch for perk farming and for some scorewhoring.
The eny needs to be lowered.
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Hmm, let me see. Since there are more capeable planes than the Brewster at 30 ENY which would even be more effective at farming perks/boosting score, I think your conclusion falls flat on it's face.
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Not really, also the US Navy had that version in use, although not many.
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No, they didn't. The version we have was a stripped-down export version ONLY used by the Finns. It's a completely distinct variant from the F2A-2 and 3 used by the USN/MC (NOTE BEFORE ANYONE ASKS FOR IT: F2A-2 NEVER SAW COMBAT AND WAS ONLY USED STATESIDE FOR TRAINING) and the B-339/B-339E used by the Dutch and Commonwealth, respectively.
In terms of performance, the 239 and Dutch 339 are much more comparable than any other two variants (339E may have been even poorer than the F2A-3).
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Brewsters are overmodeled, If seems as if the U.S would have made them instead of trading them we would have won the war by next X-mas
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/xlsrules/obvioustroll.jpg)
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I quite like fighting Brewsters, at least the ones I encounter tend to stick around and duke it out to the bitter end.
Me too, if they are really high and dive on you setup a reversal as usual then extend away, drag them out and club them over the head when you have more E than them.
If they have a similar amount of energy just E-merge them up for a rope and bnz them to death. They can't run, they can't hide.
Even in my Spit I can't stay in a sustained turn fight with a good brewster pilot but the same goes for a Zero. Just adapt your tactics to suit the situation that presents itself and you'll be swatting Brewsters like the pesky little flies they are in no time.
I think your biggest issue junky is that you love to furball and Brewsters because they can't catch anything (see zekes or hurricanes) end up piling into a dogfight and latching onto someone already turnfighting. This is bad SA nothing else.
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I have to admit I've really struggled versus the Brewsters in the MA's and I'm still working on ways to try and counter them but they've been giving me fits in my planes of choice.
What I find most frustrating in fighting them is not their ability to make turns and loops like a A6M2 but their ability to roll and change directions quickly combined with small size makes HITTING them very difficult for someone who shoots as badly as I do.
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Me too, if they are really high and dive on you setup a reversal as usual then extend away, drag them out and club them over the head when you have more E than them.
If they have a similar amount of energy just E-merge them up for a rope and bnz them to death. They can't run, they can't hide.
Even in my Spit I can't stay in a sustained turn fight with a good brewster pilot but the same goes for a Zero. Just adapt your tactics to suit the situation that presents itself and you'll be swatting Brewsters like the pesky little flies they are in no time.
I think your biggest issue junky is that you love to furball and Brewsters because they can't catch anything (see zekes or hurricanes) end up piling into a dogfight and latching onto someone already turnfighting. This is bad SA nothing else.
I don't care much about dieing, but I enjoy trying my luck fighting them. Often what works for me is to force an overshoot within the first two merges of the fight, If I can, I can usually get a shot, which If I miss, I loose. If I can't get an overshoot in the first to turns/merges, then I'm, done, I either get out of there as fast as possible or I die.
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What's trolling mean? :headscratch:
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Roping them is the only thing that works in an F4U for me. Either a standard rope or go up and flat turn at the top and wait for the Brewster to come up and try for the shot, then get him on while he's really slow. Need some cooperation from the Brewster for it though :(
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The secret to getting away from brewsters after you've lost an engagement is to crank the throttle and WEP and stick stir to friendly ack.
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Hmm, let me see. Since there are more capeable planes than the Brewster at 30 ENY which would even be more effective at farming perks/boosting score, I think your conclusion falls flat on it's face.
Id agree there are some that I would use...Mossie or KI61. The 30 ENY 109s have garbage guns unless you take the gondolas which dramatically effects their preformance. Mossie is a harder plane to learn for most because its Big and very easy to hit, KI61 has the accel problem which will give you the same problem as a Brew where you cant get out of a fight unless your still at the advantage.
I have to admit I've really struggled versus the Brewsters in the MA's and I'm still working on ways to try and counter them but they've been giving me fits in my planes of choice.
What I find most frustrating in fighting them is not their ability to make turns and loops like a A6M2 but their ability to roll and change directions quickly combined with small size makes HITTING them very difficult for someone who shoots as badly as I do.
Yea I dont know if you watched the film but I surprised myself there when I got him :D
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So basically you're blaming a plane for a pilot's tactics? Last time I checked it wasn't the plane that forced someone to pull the trigger for a head on pass or force a pilot to repeatedly dive or run to his acks for safety. What you described in your "time line" and show in your film is nothing more than dweeb flying and happens in any plane in this game.
Don't blame the plane for the pilot's dweebish flying habits.
ack-ack
I dont know, I feel like the abilities of the Brew exaggerate the dweeb tactics. I was trying to show why I dislike Brewsters, kinda like Spit 16s where the learning curve isnt as steep so the newer pilots jump in them.Me too, if they are really high and dive on you setup a reversal as usual then extend away, drag them out and club them over the head when you have more E than them.
If they have a similar amount of energy just E-merge them up for a rope and bnz them to death. They can't run, they can't hide.
Even in my Spit I can't stay in a sustained turn fight with a good brewster pilot but the same goes for a Zero. Just adapt your tactics to suit the situation that presents itself and you'll be swatting Brewsters like the pesky little flies they are in no time.
I think your biggest issue junky is that you love to furball and Brewsters because they can't catch anything (see zekes or hurricanes) end up piling into a dogfight and latching onto someone already turnfighting. This is bad SA nothing else.
I do have pretty crappy SA, working on that. I did do the bolded part of the quote above.
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Well after watching film you lost situational awareness when you climbed for Typh & Brewster jumped you. Then you tried to fight his fight with rolling scissors. Then you extend over 3.0k away & turned back for him & fly in to ack first to get him & he had already turned in to you & was heading away from base.Run-on AND AND AND....As stated in OP I know where my mistake was.
You had all the advantages with a more powerful aircraft & then you decided no matter what the Brew was going to go downI didnt have any other aircraft in the area going for ata kills. Out side of an attempted HO attempt by the Brewster I can't fault him at all it seems he wanted was to land & you kept coming back in to the ack to get him? I say he flew a smart fight.
Outside of your spud shots you just screwed up & then your going to cry about the UBER Brewster.
Sorry no sympathy on this film.Never asked for it, just want to see the Brews ENY brought down a bit
Also I love how you get a hard-on for my posts :aok
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Never asked for it, just want to see the Brews ENY brought down a bit
And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?
It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.
Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.
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Id agree there are some that I would use...Mossie or KI61. The 30 ENY 109s have garbage guns unless you take the gondolas which dramatically effects their preformance. Mossie is a harder plane to learn for most because its Big and very easy to hit, KI61 has the accel problem which will give you the same problem as a Brew where you cant get out of a fight unless your still at the advantage.
Intresting assessment of some planes there. The question is, do you think the Brewster is a better all round plane than those you mentioned?
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I dont know, I feel like the abilities of the Brew exaggerate the dweeb tactics. I was trying to show why I dislike Brewsters, kinda like Spit 16s where the learning curve isnt as steep so the newer pilots jump in them.I do have pretty crappy SA, working on that. I did do the bolded part of the quote above.
The only thing you showed in the film was someone's dweebish flying habits in a Brewster and not whether or not the plane itself needs to have the ENY adjusted. That person flying the Brewster would have done the same no matter what plane they were in. Another case of "its the pilot and not the plane" although for different reasons.
ack-ack
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And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?
It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.
Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.
Isn't that the truth. Spoken as one who just can't resist turning fights and dies to FM2s and Brewsters when the urge can't be overcome to turn!
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The only thing you showed in the film was someone's dweebish flying habits in a Brewster and not whether or not the plane itself needs to have the ENY adjusted. That person flying the Brewster would have done the same no matter what plane they were in. Another case of "its the pilot and not the plane" although for different reasons.
ack-ack
A spit 16 wont be able to whip around like a Brew to HO you...or be able to saddle up as easy on a plane already being ganged(not shown in film)
And what exactly will that accomplish if the Brewster ENY is lowered ?
It won't change the flight model, so nothing gained there, and those who do fly the Brewster aren't flying them because they are forced by ENY. They fly them because they love the plane or for a specific type of fight they plan (or hope to) get into.
Flying a Brewster is like flying an FM2 or a Spit V ... yeah, they do a lot of great things (if people are enticed into their "fight" envelope) but they aren't getting away (extending) from just about every plane in the hanger. Once they commit, they must fight until there is an outcome, good or bad. So, if you are in a speed wagon or a BnZ monster, you should have your way with a Brewster but only if you don't get sucked into what makes them shine. Once you do that ... it's all on you and not the plane.
People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.
Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).
Intresting assessment of some planes there. The question is, do you think the Brewster is a better all round plane than those you mentioned?
Mossie has already had some other people want the eny to be lowered on it. If someone can kill quickly in a fight a Mossie is very deadly. Also has the ord which arent great but better the nothing.
Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)
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Ki61 ...................... Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)
And what exactly does the brew have that makes it not deserve 30 eny??? Slow, light gun package, slow, moderate climb, slow, light gun package, slow.......................di d I miss anything??? The only 2 things it does really well is dive, and turn. So, dont turn with it, and dont let it get an alt advantage on you. :cheers: :salute
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Roping them is the only thing that works in an F4U for me. Either a standard rope or go up and flat turn at the top and wait for the Brewster to come up and try for the shot, then get him on while he's really slow. Need some cooperation from the Brewster for it though :(
I did this exact same tactic just yesterday in my F4U-1A, in fact i try this maneuver a lot on the turn and burn planes as it works quite well if u have the initial speed advantage :aok
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A spit 16 wont be able to whip around like a Brew to HO you...or be able to saddle up as easy on a plane already being ganged(not shown in film)
People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.
All you are describing are pilot flying/fighting habits and not anything related as to why you think the ENY needs to be adjusted. Again, it's not the Brewster that forces the pilot to turn around and force a HO merge, it's not the Brewster that makes the player dive to the acks for cover. Though I will say it is the Brewster that makes you whine a whole Hell of a lot.
Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).Mossie has already had some other people want the eny to be lowered on it. If someone can kill quickly in a fight a Mossie is very deadly. Also has the ord which arent great but better the nothing.
You have utterly failed to show why the Brewster needs to have the ENY adjusted. You should really do yourself a favor and chalk this thread up to some late night angst after a fight with a Brewster didn't go your way. The only result of this thread is it makes you look like nothing more than a typical player whining about a plane that he has a tough time shooting down.
Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)
Actually, the Ki-61s high speed performance isn't all that good. Sure, it can dive fast but control is very sluggish and maneuverability poor at high speeds. It's performance at low speeds is really nothing more than average, not as maneuverable as a Zeke and it really only has a small speed window where it's turn performance is good, at high and low speeds as I mentioned is just an average turner. Quite frankly, at least in regards to US planes the Ki-61 is significantly out matched by most of the US fighters. Not surprising the ENY is at 30 but not for the reasons you stated.
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People shouldnt get the perks they are getting for flying a Brewster. I can say just from flying as much as I have in Aces High that it is perked too high, I think you would agree.
Nope ... I wouldn't agree. I have been flying the FM2 as my main ride for at least the past 3 years (if not more). It's the Brewster's big brother and does everything just a little bit better than the Brew with the exception of turning and it too is a "perk farmer".
I have earned 10's of thousands of perks flying the FM2 only by enticing people to fight it within its best fight envelope ... same goes for the Brewster. To lose to a Brewster is only because one made a outright mistake or one got suckered into fighting on its terms ... but that is true of all planes.
Those that may be using it as a "perk farmer" are most likely newbs wanting to get into a perk plane and they should be childs play to beat, if encountered. Now ... if you run into a decent stick in a Brewster, like Wmaker, who genuflects at the sight of a Brewster ... they hardly need to fly the Brewster to farm perks. They are most likely flying it because they LIKE it.
Having a lower perk value would remove a bit of the % of pilots who fly it for perks. Plus they may find different rides at the same perk value which would possibly do the job better example make it 20 and I think more people would fly a KI84(which needs to have its eny looked at IMO).
I doubt it for the reasons stated above. Most of my encounters against the Brewster are when we are attacking their field. The Brewster is an excellent plane for base defense.
Ki61 is flown only by a few pilots. Karaya, KazWRF, Tongs, and myself are the only ones Ive know to spend some time in it. Its best weapon is deception, the enemy doesnt think anything of a KI61 when they see one other then nose mounted cannons. But at high speed it handles great so you can finish a lazy enemy very quickly. Does it deserve a 30 ENY? IMO it does just because it doesnt really have anything on other planes similar to it(109s, Spits....)
About 6 years ago, I spend quite a bit of time in the Ki61 and killed many a Spit thinking it was an easy/automatic kill. I called it the "Japanese Spit" back then ... it had very good slow speed handling. Loved the plane until HTC changed its flight model and its slow speed handling went out the window. It is still a capable killer in the right hands.
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And what exactly does the brew have that makes it not deserve 30 eny??? Slow, light gun package, slow, moderate climb, slow, light gun package, slow.......................di d I miss anything??? The only 2 things it does really well is dive, and turn. So, dont turn with it, and dont let it get an alt advantage on you. :cheers: :salute
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4 M2s isnt a bad gun package....Alt advantage can sometimes be hard to keep unless you fly like Chalenge ;)
Nope ... I wouldn't agree. I have been flying the FM2 as my main ride for at least the past 3 years (if not more). It's the Brewster's big brother and does everything just a little bit better than the Brew with the exception of turning and it too is a "perk farmer".
Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?
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I flew both the Brew and the FM2 in my 1st month and had a lot of decent success with them. (Even shot down Ak Ak once or twice, but he was distracted at the time and has paid me back in full with interest). Again, the attraction was being able to fight down on the deck in a turn fight and take down the odd Spit or 38 simply by out turning them, or getting a very lucky deflection shot on a 51 or La as they zoomed by.
I'd say classic bnz or slashing tactics will always work on a Brew. Almost any plane can dictate the engagement because the Brew is not going anywhere. Just keep making passes at him until he makes a mistake or runs out of e.
If there is one thing that could be fixed with the Brew model I would say it's the toughness factor. If the Fins took out the pilot armor should it not be more susceptible to pilot wounds or 1 shot brain spatter kills?
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"genuflects at the sight of a Brewster"
Great word. Rarely used anymore.
<S> Melvin
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Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?
The American version, the Buffalo, failed miserably for the Navy and was quickly replaced by the more capable Grumman F4F/FM2.
It's higher K/D would most likely be due to all the attention that it is getting on the Forums and being used a lot (primarily) for base defense. I doubt very strongly that Brewster are out there "hunting", in any numbers, to justify its K/D ... whatever that may be.
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Brew has scored a higher K/D ratio the last three tours....How can the FM2 be seen as its "Big Brother"?
They are actually almost identical, unless a .03-.05 difference is bigger than I think....
The American version, the Buffalo, failed miserably for the Navy and was quickly replaced by the more capable Grumman F4F/FM2.
The Brewster was being replaced as the war began, hence only actually seeing action in the hands of the U.S. Navy, specifically the Marines, at Midway.
Facing the same situations and odds as the Brewster in the Pacific, outnumbered by more seasoned and experienced pilots, Mustangs probably would have fared as well.
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Facing the same situations and odds as the Brewster in the Pacific, outnumbered by more seasoned and experienced pilots, Mustangs probably would have fared as well.
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That may be part of it, but the Zero itself completely outclassed the Brewster. The F4F/FM2 also had its hands full with the Zero. The F4F/FM2 were more viable and survivable due to their ruggedness (Grumman Ironworks) and the invention of the "Thatch Weave". It wasn't until the F6F and F4U came onto the scene, that the Zero did not hold all the cards anymore.
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Facing the same situations and odds as the Brewster in the Pacific, outnumbered by more seasoned and experienced pilots, Mustangs probably would have fared as well.
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It happened to Spitfires in Burma when they first arrived in the Burma area of the CBI theater.
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I dont care a fig about ENY or what they have the Brewster set at. I don't see what difference it can possibly make; the Spitfire V, Hurricane IIC, A6M5 (without being overloaded by fuel), 109F and a few others will ruin your day the same way. The Brewster is hardly the only manueverable fighter in AH? Its also not surprising that its flown like it is, its only strong point is its low wing loading, so thats how its going to be used. You cant BZ a P-47M while in a Brewster? so don't expect anybody else to try either.
The real complaint about ENY is actually related to seeing more perk planes in the MA then right? Get ez kills in BREW=perk pts= flying an F4U-4 or a Spit 14? Again, since Doras, P-51Ds, 109Ks, LA-7, Spit XVI, P-47M ect are not perked, I also se that as a mute point. Truth be told other than the Me 262...I dont see the reason to have perk pts at all anymore in AH. They would only make sense if the real top perfomers, all of them, were perked, but they are not. Somebody tell me how having 0 perk pts in any way handicaps a player in LWA as it is now? I dont see it, like I said, other than a Me 262 or an Me 163 sortie. Players so new to the game that they need to fly a BREW to get a perk ride are likely not going to be a threat in a better fighter anyways, they are going to merge with a Tempest, blow all their speed in a series of tight turns and die, or auger. I they suck in a F4U-1D they will suck in a F4U-1C.
So dont worry about it.
On to the historical part. The F4F/FM2 were more viable compared to the Zero because of their ruggedness. Not compared to the Brewster. So was the P-40 series. There is no evidence at all that the Zero in 1942 shot down many more Allied fighters than it lost in air combat. The only time the Zero really shone was in cases where they held all the cards; Pearl Harbor (surprise attack), Phillipines (most of the USAAC hit on the ground), China 1940 (vs I-16s), the tiny force at Wake island, the single raid on MIdway island (118 attackers vs 25 defenders). At both Coral Sea and Midway vs the USN carrier based F4Fs, they gave as good as they got and no better. Same in the Solomons and New Guinea 42-43, they were dangerous adversaries but did not gain air supremacy there. After 1942 it was all down hill. The Zero had the advantage in 1941-42 of being on the side that held the strategic initiative, backed up by land invasions that went their way.
The Dutch Brewsters flying in awfull conditions in the East Indies, did very well in their Brewsters, which were the B-339B/C models, based on the F2A-2, and the Japanese who fought them mentioned how manueverable they were and how well flown they were. Its innacurate to never mention them and just talk about Midway. Yes, the F3A-3 did poorly there, but the real math of it is interesting to look at. The 21 F3A-3s and 4 F4Fs scored 9 kills for 14 losses vs a force almost 4 times their size, and none of the VMF-221 pilots had ever been in combat before. Really not bad considering. Im not singing the praises of the F3A-3 but its highly doubtfull the reserve pilots of VMF-221 would have fared any better had they all been in F4Fs that day.
Just thought I would put that out there.
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The F4F's weren't exactly outclassed by the zeros, in fact they racked up a decent 6.9:1 kill ratio against Japanese planes (1,327 planes of all types shot down against 191). Even if you take out the other types, it's still gotta be a decent record against zeros. I think the major problem with the Wildcats was that they couldn't outright dominate the zeke the way the Hog and the Hellcat could. Why bring a knife to a knife fight when you can bring a big hammer? (Well yeah, the knife guy can still get under your guard and kill you. That's why you must still respect the zeke!)
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I like the F4F, to F4U comparison against zero's, as that is exactly how it was in the east, the brewsters did great against I-15 biplanes and I-16's, maybe even LaGG-3's and Yak-1's,
but then as soon as the big brothers of those planes came along in the form of La-5's and Yak-9's, It was over for the brew
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With the right tactics any mid-to-late war ride should be able to take out the Brew. Just don't turn with it.
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You cant BZ a P-47M while in a Brewster? so don't expect anybody else to try either.
Any plane can BNZ....if a Brew is at 5K and that 47M is on the deck because its been Fighting for awhile that Brew only has to BnZ it....if not saddle up coming down, no chance for the 47...
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Any plane can BNZ....if a Brew is at 5K and that 47M is on the deck because its been Fighting for awhile that Brew only has to BnZ it....if not saddle up coming down, no chance for the 47...
Same goes for I-16, A6M2, Hurricane I, C.202, etc. Heck, even a D3A.
How about comparing planes on equal levels, not putting one in a distinct disadvantage just to "prove" the other one is too good?
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I once fought a mustang to a standstill co-alt with a brew. He kept trying to bnz me and I basically flew my plane looking behind me and turned away every time. A buddy came up in a 110 to take him on and I backed off to watch, but when my pal tried to extend past me I took a crossing shot at the pony and dumped him. All this before I became the mediocre pilot I am today. :) :airplane:
Of course if he had anticipated my turn I would have been dead, and he had plenty of opportunity to do so.