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Title: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: guncrasher on October 30, 2010, 03:37:27 AM
correct me if I am wrong but isnt that a swastika on the brewster default skin?  I thought it wasnt allowed.

(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/brewsterwithaswastika.png)

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Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: columbus on October 30, 2010, 03:53:31 AM
it the finnish one not the nazi one
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: FLS on October 30, 2010, 11:53:56 AM
The swastika is such an ancient worldwide symbol, it dates from the neolithic period, it's really a shame to keep it associated with Nazism. The Finns adopted it in 1918 and their air force still uses it but not as an aircraft marking.
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: guncrasher on October 30, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
I researched after making the post, found the same thing you guys did, but i was tired and went to sleep. I was actually surprised since i only noticed it when I looked at a con off my wing and I  bet most people that look at it, will think it is a nazi swastika.  I gotta say it it surprised the heck out of me.  first time i ever flew the brewster and it will be the last.  talking about easy mode and this is from a guy that mostly flies the spit8 :rofl.

 I found this in a website:

The Swastika Emblem of the Finnish AF 1918-45
It is important to understand that the swastika emblem of the early Finnish Air Force has nothing to do with the Nazi Germany. The swastika was the symbol of good fortune used by the Swedish Count Eric von Rosen who during the Finnish Civil War presented to the Finnish White Army its first aircraft on March 6th, 1918. The swastika was painted on the upper side and under side of the wings of the Thulin Parasol he brought from Sweden. The symbol was adopted by the Finnish Air Force to honor him.

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more edits:  I gotta say that looking into the swastika, I was amazed and how widespread use it had during the past 5 or 6k years.  I mean it was used just about in every continent as a good luck symbol.  The things you learn when you are willing to spend 5 minutes on the internet.  of course you gotta be able to tell the bs from the informative too.
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: bustr on October 31, 2010, 02:31:33 AM
After reading Wiki about the svastika emblem and its history it seems Hitler and company screwed their own karmic pooch. If the world tells you for 3000 years that something is good for you, it only takes one clown stupid enough to prove why leaving it a good thing is the safest way to deal with it. He had to go and piss it off.

Just dosen't pay to tug on O'l supermans cape now does it? Think maybe all them old religious guys knew something........... :noid
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 01, 2010, 03:32:58 PM
Even some pre-World War II US Army unit patches featured a swastika.

ack-ack
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: maddafinga on November 02, 2010, 02:54:08 PM
Even some pre-World War II US Army unit patches featured a swastika.

ack-ack

Our local National Guard unit, the Thunderbirds used to use it as a unit symbol as it was an indian symbol for the thunderbird, a giant mythical predatory bird.  Now they use a different thunderbird symbol.  That damn Hitler ruined a lot of stuff, the narrow mustache used dto be pretty popular too...
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: columbus on November 02, 2010, 03:15:28 PM
Our local National Guard unit, the Thunderbirds used to use it as a unit symbol as it was an indian symbol for the thunderbird, a giant mythical predatory bird.  Now they use a different thunderbird symbol.  That damn Hitler ruined a lot of stuff, the narrow mustache used dto be pretty popular too...

(http://finisimapersona.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/emo_hitler.jpg)
(http://slowbear.blox.pl/resource/emo_hitler.gif)
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Wmaker on November 02, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
Even some pre-World War II US Army unit patches featured a swastika.

Yeh,

http://anspi.club.officelive.com/AmericanMilitarySwastikaPatches.aspx (http://anspi.club.officelive.com/AmericanMilitarySwastikaPatches.aspx)

From that link, USAAC P-12 fighter with a swastika marking:
(http://rexcurry.net/american-swastika-WWII-1929to1932-1941Boeing-P-12-F4B.jpg)
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: greens on November 02, 2010, 03:48:14 PM
I know a skin in this game on a certain plane it has a r rated pic < kids i suggest u dont loook at it
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Treize69 on November 02, 2010, 04:15:15 PM
correct me if I am wrong but isnt that a swastika on the brewster default skin?  I thought it wasnt allowed.

(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/brewsterwithaswastika.png)

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Been around longer than the Brewster has and you're just noticing this?
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: warhed on November 02, 2010, 04:33:55 PM
Don't tell him about the 109s we have that have it!
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: zack1234 on November 02, 2010, 05:12:43 PM
there is a very old pub called the  Three pigeons in my town it used to a railway station when railways were invented in Britain, in the toilet floors in this pub are covered in swastikas :old: funny to see when your having a dump :old:



Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: BulletVI on November 02, 2010, 05:16:29 PM
 At the end o the day to me a Swastika is just 2 S's Positioned at 90 degree angles to each other. And the Nazi Party Played a Copy right Theft from historical depictions.

It was used in Roman Times

                     Egyption Times

                     Mayan History

And so forth. Scertain people have also used it as a symbol of death. Hense why i think Hitler adoped it to the Nazi Party Flags as a sign of Out With The Old And In With The New. It is only now it is viewed as a symbol of Death or Devil or unholy acts.

Please correct me if im wrong :)
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Imowface on November 02, 2010, 05:52:40 PM
the cross on the brewsters is called the Von Rossen cross named after a swedish count who flew in ww1 I belive, as stated before, it was around much longer then hitler and his lot
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: JHerne on November 02, 2010, 05:58:16 PM
US 45th Infantry Division carried the swastika on their unit patch until the rise of Nazi Germany in WW2.

It was quite common in Native American art, and can still be seen on pre-1940 Pennsylvanian Dutch Hex sign artwork.



Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 02, 2010, 06:02:13 PM
the cross on the brewsters is called the Von Rossen cross named after a swedish count who flew in ww1 I belive, as stated before, it was around much longer then hitler and his lot

the blue swastika used by the FAF was the lucky family symbol of von Rosen which donated a Morane-Saulnier L to the Finnish "White Army" in 1918 and von Rosen didn't fly in World War I.

ack-ack
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: guncrasher on November 02, 2010, 09:51:15 PM
Been around longer than the Brewster has and you're just noticing this?

Hard to beliieve isn't it.  I have actually flown the plane many times before but I never noticed the markings.  Actually I fly the spits and il2's a lot and I can't tell you the markings on them either.  I started noticing all the details when I learned to set up my vc/ resolution and all the extra goodies right.

Semp
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Masherbrum on November 02, 2010, 10:10:32 PM
correct me if I am wrong but isnt that a swastika on the brewster default skin?  I thought it wasnt allowed.

(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/brewsterwithaswastika.png)

semp

In Finland it is a part of "tursaansydän", an ancient symbol of luck and protection.    Don't equate it with Nazi's, most of us don't.
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: maddafinga on November 02, 2010, 10:31:48 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fernie_Swastikas_hockey_team_ 1922.jpg

Knew I could find that somewhere, I can't post the direct pic as this isn't my computer, but it's interesting the history you can find out about all kinds of things.  
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: guncrasher on November 03, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
In Finland it is a part of "tursaansydän", an ancient symbol of luck and protection.    Don't equate it with Nazi's, most of us don't.

read a couple of posts down from the begining where i posted about it.  now let this post die :)

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Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: DrBone1 on November 03, 2010, 12:38:29 AM
(http://finisimapersona.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/emo_hitler.jpg)
(http://slowbear.blox.pl/resource/emo_hitler.gif)
:rofl if only you would have put Racdogg at the top   ;)
Title: Re: brewster default skin has a swastika?
Post by: Perrine on November 03, 2010, 01:35:20 AM
That nazi logo ruined it for the finns and asians (they use it too for good luck)