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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: SCTusk on October 30, 2010, 11:22:02 AM
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"Many people here not only fly for real but have flown wwii planes."
.....that's a quote from one of HiTech's posts, and I thought it would be interesting to get some feedback. So fess up, who's flown what warbird and how does the AH model of it stack up? No graphs or tables, just some plain old 'hands on' impressions for comparison. It's not necessary that you flew it as PIC, so long as you took the controls long enough to get a feel for the a/c. I'll risk public ridicule and start the ball rolling, guess I'm going to claim the booby prize and own up to the Goonybird - if you're going to fly a warbird that's probably the last one you'd pick lol.
Anyhoo, my warbird : the C47 - probably a dozen or so hours at the controls (over 400 as aircrew) : AH FM seems reasonable, difficult to model the heaviness of the controls in a sim (does AH have force feedback? That would probably do it). Cockpit graphics not overly impressive but it's clear which a/c is being modelled. Engine sounds... I'm half deaf these days (maybe from over 400 hours in a Gooneybird) but I'd have to say good enough. Smells.... just as well they left that one out, the airflow in a C47 runs from tail to nose (hehe) so if anyone sicks up or farts down the back, the cockpit claims it.
Bottom line, if I wanted to reminisce I'd load up the C47 in FSX, but for a combat sim the AH Gooney does what it should and feels ok, apart from the lack of heaviness in the controls. If you fly the AH C47 like a transport and avoid the temptation to hurl it around, I believe it's a pretty convincing flight model.
Hopefully there will be some real warbird experiences (i.e. fighters) to follow.
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I think there will be some liars, but let's hope not :airplane:
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(does AH have force feedback? That would probably do it)
AH does have force feedback, but I've never noticed any difference in trim forces for different aircraft.
Comparing flight models to real life is sometimes limited: for example, I doubt you will be trying the standard AH pull up into a vertical loop troop drop in your real C47 anytime soon. ;)
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I neither fly a general aviation aircraft nor have I even flown in a WWII aircraft. The most I have done is seen them in air shows, on the ground, on display, in historical footage, in photos, seen pilots who flew them talk about them, talked to pilots who flew them....
And read lots and lots of books and reports on them, as much of it primary sourced as I could.
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I have a whooping .6 hours at the backseat controls of a P-51. I didn't get to wring her out, but I did get to do some turns and a roll. While I was up I couldn't help thinking how similar it felt to our virtual P-51. Just the way the ailerons felt when you turn or the way everything looks and feels when you pull back on the stick.
The big difference is the absence of Gs when flying at the computer. Pulling out of a 250 mph dive to climb into a roll pushes you into your seat a lot more in real life than it does while sitting at my computer seat. :)
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Chico%202010/0925001454.jpg)
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Chico%202010/DSC_9040.jpg)
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"Many people here not only fly for real but have flown wwii planes."
.....that's a quote from one of HiTech's posts, and I thought it would be interesting to get some feedback. So fess up, who's flown what warbird and how does the AH model of it stack up? No graphs or tables, just some plain old 'hands on' impressions for comparison. It's not necessary that you flew it as PIC, so long as you took the controls long enough to get a feel for the a/c. I'll risk public ridicule and start the ball rolling, guess I'm going to claim the booby prize and own up to the Goonybird - if you're going to fly a warbird that's probably the last one you'd pick lol.
Anyhoo, my warbird : the C47 - probably a dozen or so hours at the controls (over 400 as aircrew) : AH FM seems reasonable, difficult to model the heaviness of the controls in a sim (does AH have force feedback? That would probably do it). Cockpit graphics not overly impressive but it's clear which a/c is being modelled. Engine sounds... I'm half deaf these days (maybe from over 400 hours in a Gooneybird) but I'd have to say good enough. Smells.... just as well they left that one out, the airflow in a C47 runs from tail to nose (hehe) so if anyone sicks up or farts down the back, the cockpit claims it.
Bottom line, if I wanted to reminisce I'd load up the C47 in FSX, but for a combat sim the AH Gooney does what it should and feels ok, apart from the lack of heaviness in the controls. If you fly the AH C47 like a transport and avoid the temptation to hurl it around, I believe it's a pretty convincing flight model.
Hopefully there will be some real warbird experiences (i.e. fighters) to follow.
Let's see some pics of said Goonie!
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When th Collins foundation P51 came to town I told the pilot I'd buy him an hour in a 172 for 30 mins in the P51, then attempted to do the same with the pilots of the B17 and B24..........
They told me no :cry
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I have exactly 7 minutes of flight experience in a Mooney, but I will say this...we sim pilots tend to be really good on instruments but comparatively worse in "feel", largely because of the "feedback" issue. Also, trying to keep the plane level visually was harder than I thought. I had to keep looking at the climb gauge and the artificial horizon. :joystick:
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I fly gliders irl, don't like engined aircraft - too noisy.
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Muzzy - knowing where your plane is and what it's doing comes with experience, through no fault of your own were you unable to use visual references to fly.
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I totally could have nailed that Cessna when it flew under us though. :airplane:
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Let's see some pics of said Goonie!
Ok you asked for it hehe....this one's an 'off the shelf' shot from the RAAF archives of one of the two a/c we flew, I think the second a/c was A65-124 but that's just from memory. We flew out of RAAF Darwin in Australia's Northern Territory. I was posted there from 1977 to 1981. One of our main tasks was to patrol the northern coastline (mainly to the west of Darwin), generally we were looking for illegal incursions into Australian waters.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5371/dak4.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/dak4.jpg/)
Each mission would usually last three days, stopping overnight at places like Broome, Port Hedland and Kununurra, sometimes one of the big outback stations would put us up. Lots of long flights over beautiful tropical blue ocean straining your eyes for the next dot on the water. When we found one we'd drop down and make a couple of low passes with me hanging out the copilot's window snapping away with the old Nikon F1 (I was the photographer). If necessary we'd call up a Navy patrol boat to intercept. These days they have a civilian mob doing the same job with multiple a/c, back then we were it.
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4224/dak1.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/dak1.jpg/)
The above shot was one of our more memorable excursions, a PR exercise involving flying Miss Australia 1978 (Gloria Krope) and her chaperone around our usual haunts. That's me on the far right, standing next to the big Nav, we were the only two guys on the base who could leap up onto the Dak's wing root unassisted (I'd need a bloody ladder these days lol).
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2371/dak2d.jpg) (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/dak2d.jpg/)
A shot of me hanging out the pilot's window, although I'd generally use the other side for shipping work.
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/359/dak3.jpg) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/dak3.jpg/)
Gratuitous pic of me sitting with Miss Australia 1978 in-flight...... sigh. Those were the days, flak to the left of us, flak to the right. It was a dirty job but somebody had to do it....
Btw nice one cactuskooler, that P51 ride must have been awesome. As you say the G forces are missing in-sim, I also miss the bumping and lurching from turbulence.
Ruah, I flew gliders also back in the day (started in the early '70's) and yeah nothing beats that quiet ride. Happy landings to you <S>
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Not quite a warbird, but got 20 mins at the controls of a Tiger Moth - as it was a (supposedly) ride along, wasnt meant to touch the controls, but blagged my way into actually flying it. Very close in performance with the WW1 a/c, minus the jumping all over the place from wind etc.
Cost me around the 100 pound mark or so, at Duxford in 2009 - more than worth it tho.
Wurzel (dreams of being a pilot one day)
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One hour in a Mustang, 300 hours in B-17 and 300 hours in B-24.
The sim gives a good "impression" of flying the real thing. Sim is much to forgiving...you can routinely do things in the sim you wouldn't dream of doing in real life.
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Jeez colmbo, ill buy you an hour in a 172 for a ride in the B17
:noid
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Not quite a warbird, but got 20 mins at the controls of a Tiger Moth
Wurzel (dreams of being a pilot one day)
I think we can include a/c used as trainers during the period, wtg. Nice one actually, as you say it kinda covers the WW1 theme as well.
One hour in a Mustang, 300 hours in B-17 and 300 hours in B-24.
I hope you're going to tell us the story behind this one? :pray
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Ok you asked for it hehe....this one's an 'off the shelf' shot from the RAAF archives of one of the two a/c we flew, I think the second a/c was A65-124 but that's just from memory. We flew out of RAAF Darwin in Australia's Northern Territory. I was posted there from 1977 to 1981. One of our main tasks was to patrol the northern coastline (mainly to the west of Darwin), generally we were looking for illegal incursions into Australian waters.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5371/dak4.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/dak4.jpg/)
Each mission would usually last three days, stopping overnight at places like Broome, Port Hedland and Kununurra, sometimes one of the big outback stations would put us up. Lots of long flights over beautiful tropical blue ocean straining your eyes for the next dot on the water. When we found one we'd drop down and make a couple of low passes with me hanging out the copilot's window snapping away with the old Nikon F1 (I was the photographer). If necessary we'd call up a Navy patrol boat to intercept. These days they have a civilian mob doing the same job with multiple a/c, back then we were it.
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4224/dak1.jpg) (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/dak1.jpg/)
The above shot was one of our more memorable excursions, a PR exercise involving flying Miss Australia 1978 (Gloria Krope) and her chaperone around our usual haunts. That's me on the far right, standing next to the big Nav, we were the only two guys on the base who could leap up onto the Dak's wing root unassisted (I'd need a bloody ladder these days lol).
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2371/dak2d.jpg) (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/dak2d.jpg/)
A shot of me hanging out the pilot's window, although I'd generally use the other side for shipping work.
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/359/dak3.jpg) (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/dak3.jpg/)
Gratuitous pic of me sitting with Miss Australia 1978 in-flight...... sigh. Those were the days, flak to the left of us, flak to the right. It was a dirty job but somebody had to do it....
Btw nice one cactuskooler, that P51 ride must have been awesome. As you say the G forces are missing in-sim, I also miss the bumping and lurching from turbulence.
Ruah, I flew gliders also back in the day (started in the early '70's) and yeah nothing beats that quiet ride. Happy landings to you <S>
Very, very very cool Tusk... :cool:
...Especially that pic with the Miss Australia, you damn bastard! :furious
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Yea forget the airplanes ...can we here more about Miss Australia ? ;)
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Yea forget the airplanes ...can we here more about Miss Australia ? ;)
As I said she had a chaperone along, but this young lady was simply a joy just to be with. There was a family tragedy in her recent past, her brother (it was alleged he was encouraged by the mother) killed her father, shooting him 27 times. It transpired the father was a deviate and a bully, and had a peephole in the bathroom wall which he used to spy on his daughters in the shower. Her brother was eventually aquitted.
She had been through some bad times and not only endured them but seemed somehow enhanced by the experience, very deep and perceptive with a natural warmth of personality. She could melt you with a look. I liked her alot, as did everyone else that met her.
Probably not the response you were expecting. But yeah, she was special, even for a celebrity.
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Oh boy...I'll preface this by saying I spent nearly a decade as an air museum director, so... I was fortunate to have friends and associates with lots of aircraft I would normally not have access to (or be able to afford).
About half of my total hours were logged in a partnered 1947 L-17B Navion, a true military Navion and not a civil upgrade. My 'other' aircraft was an RV-6 that I got involved in - partner's original partner bailed half-way through the build, so I jumped in and helped finish it, flew it for a number of years before my relocation to WI and subsequent loss of my medical ended my flying career.
However...I've got at least 1-2 logged hours in PT-17, PT-22, BT-13, AT-6, UC-78, B-25, B-17, Fouga Magister, Mig-15UTI, and Yak-52.
I've backseated a couple of P-51s but never got any real stick time, and I've had the honor of running up buddy's replica Curtiss Jenny. Did some taxi tests but never got off the ground.
On the civil side - Cessna 140, 150, 172, 175, 195, Bonanza V-35b, Piper Cherokee, Cub, Super Cub, RV-6, Zlin 526, Grob G115. I got my student ticket in 1984, although I'd probably logged 300 hours prior to it being official (my first flight was at age 11, although never solo until I had my license). Got my PPL in late '86, taildragger endorsement came a month after that (although technically I didn't need it, dad made me), then added my multi-engine in 1989 and IFR (Part 61, although my dad fought me all the way, he wanted me to do 141) in 1992. I was planning on becoming a CFI until I got married and had a kid, bought a house, then all my money went away. I had intended to get my rotor license, had a couple of flights in an R-22 but that never went anywhere.
In 2005, I had an undiagnosed episode of anaphylactic shock which came real close to killing me. Unfortunately, my regular medical examiner was also my regular doctor (we belonged to the same AOPA chapter), and he ended giving me a deferral on my medical, pending the diagnosis of the anaphylaxis. This was passed on to the RFS who denied my medical, thus ending my flying career. So now I'm here...in a cartoon world. I'm still active in aviation, doing consulting to the museum world, restoration facilities, writing, etc.
J
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In 2005, I had an undiagnosed episode of anaphylactic shock which came real close to killing me. Unfortunately, my regular medical examiner was also my regular doctor (we belonged to the same AOPA chapter), and he ended giving me a deferral on my medical, pending the diagnosis of the anaphylaxis. This was passed on to the RFS who denied my medical, thus ending my flying career. So now I'm here...in a cartoon world.
J
Damn JH, that's unfortunate... I'm guessing there must be lots of pilots unable to fly due medical issues, in fact I knew someone else in this predicament. We used to fly RC models together, so yes either the 'cartoon world' or modelling are preferred (and acceptable) substitutes. You have a massive amount of experience, and variety.... I'll have to go look up some of the types you mention :headscratch:
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Yea, its a bummer, but truth be told, there's no way I could have stayed in aviation - its simply gotten too expensive. My dad had medical issues in the late 90s and had to sell his two planes, he got into collecting vintage cars instead. I got married, wife, mortgage, etc., and I left the museum, so even if the medical issues hadn't happened, chances are I wouldn't be flying anyway.
And yea, I build models (you could say that...lol), and I used to fly R/C alot (1/4 scale warbirds), but even that got too expensive.
Priorities change I guess. Now I'm worrying about college for my daughter, retirement planning, etc. I did have a great time while I was in, though.
J
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Well I am a pilot in RL with just a little over 500 hours, I have time in 172’s, 150’s, Cherokee 140’s, a j3 cub, citabria, RV7 (I built), Quad City Challenger 2 (I built), Piper arrow, cessna 175, RV6, L19 don’t know if you wanna count that as a war bird, Stearman (that counts right?), Comanche, and am building a airdrome airplanes Sopwith Camel F1.
Skyhawk
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I know Baumer has some front seat time in multi engine birds along with I think some air time in WWI birds before he ran into a medical downcheck.
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Probably not the response you were expecting. But yeah, she was special, even for a celebrity.
To be honest it was meant in jest and I didnt expect any certain kind of answere. It is cool you have fond memories of the time. I like the pictures you posted.
Pipz
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Priorities change I guess. Now I'm worrying about college for my daughter, retirement planning, etc. I did have a great time while I was in, though.
J
I'm a great believer in 'runs on the board' JH.... otherwise all those poor buggars in retirement homes and hospices would have no value, and that can't be right. Hang onto the memories, they'll keep you warm one day <S>
am building a airdrome airplanes Sopwith Camel F1.
Skyhawk
!!!!!!! :O Skyhawk this is more than i ever expected to hear... you must share this experience with us (please?) Links, build progress (do you run a website with the build info?) and when you get it airborne some video would be welcome. I viewed the vid on the Airdrome site some weeks ago, in flight views of their test pilot with a whacking big grin on his face lol. Nice choice, really looks the business. In fact I'm going to drop the link in for it myself....
http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/sopwithcamel.html (http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/sopwithcamel.html)
Outstanding, you might win this one (the judge is biased toward WW1, and particularly the Camel lol) <S>
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Well, I talked to Robert (owner of airdrome airplanes) last night and my tail kit should be shipping out in 3 weeks! I’m 1 of the first 4 camel kits being built. I will have a website and keep everyone informed about how it’s going. On a side note my father is building an airdrome DR1, so that should be fun for the fly-ins. We currently own a Cessna 172 together and are upgrading to a Cessna 206 in the near future and thought we both needed something fun for low and slow flying. 206, will just be to much of a gas guzzler. He has always loved the DR1’s and I’m a Camel guy so… Now it will just be a race to see who gets theirs done first.
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Never flown anything but did a bit of wing-walking (basically strapped on the top) on a Boeing Stearman earlier this year :D
It had a 450hp engine so a bit more power than the original.
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Well, I talked to Robert (owner of airdrome airplanes) last night and my tail kit should be shipping out in 3 weeks! I’m 1 of the first 4 camel kits being built. I will have a website and keep everyone informed about how it’s going. On a side note my father is building an airdrome DR1, so that should be fun for the fly-ins. We currently own a Cessna 172 together and are upgrading to a Cessna 206 in the near future and thought we both needed something fun for low and slow flying. 206, will just be to much of a gas guzzler. He has always loved the DR1’s and I’m a Camel guy so… Now it will just be a race to see who gets theirs done first.
that's extremely cool sir :aok
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This is my dad in his Tigermoth. He sold it a few years ago.
(http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Elmira/26_Jan_Scott_and_Tigermoth.jpg)
Photo by Douglas Bullard
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Nick, are these full-sized or 3/4, and...are they classified as LSA?
I've been thinking about LSA as an option - since it doesn't require a medical.
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Both my camel and dads DR1 are full scale and LSA's Robert does offer 3/4 scale if you would prefer.
Skyhawk
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I've been thinking about LSA as an option - since it doesn't require a medical.
Many ways to skin a cat eh? We have an Experimental designation here in Australia, doesn't require any red tape of any sort as far as I can tell.... you design it, you build it, paint 'EXPERIMENTAL' on it and away you go lol. I think the word comes from the Latin 'experius' (to try something new) and the colloquial English 'mental' (to be completely off your freakin head) :x
Needless to say I have been down that path, although it was well before the new regs came into effect hehe.
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Well I own my own P51, and have flown the only 109 still flying.
:noid
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Thanks for the info Nick. I'd been looking at the Criquet Storch, which is also LSA, but a WWI would be interesting.
http://www.criquetaviation.com/index.html
J
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Well I own my own P51, and have flown the only 109 still flying.
:noid
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wow sunfan.....
I'll skip the envy (don't want to embarass you or humiliate myself too much lol) and go straight to the request for more info. I think many here would view the ownership of their own P51 as the 'Holy Grail' of aviation.... (personally I'm more of a high wing parasol dreamer, it pays to know your limits) so there rests a great burden on your shoulders; to pass on as much vicarious pleasure as possible to those of us less fortunate :)
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wow sunfan.....
I'll skip the envy (don't want to embarass you or humiliate myself too much lol) and go straight to the request for more info. I think many here would view the ownership of their own P51 as the 'Holy Grail' of aviation.... (personally I'm more of a high wing parasol dreamer, it pays to know your limits) so there rests a great burden on your shoulders; to pass on as much vicarious pleasure as possible to those of us less fortunate :)
I think he was joking.
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SCTusk:
Don't feel slighted if people don't answer your requests for more information. There are a number of folks here who have been through all their history and background before and may not feel like typing it all out again. There are some inside jokes making the rounds, too.
Cheers
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SCTusk:
Don't feel slighted if people don't answer your requests for more information. There are a number of folks here who have been through all their history and background before and may not feel like typing it all out again. There are some inside jokes making the rounds, too.
Cheers
Thanks Rolex, yeah I'm sure you're right. That's cool, perhaps anyone who's already posted about relevant experience might prefer to provide a link.
As for the jokes, fire away! We're all here for fun :) Apart from a genuine interest, I thought maybe HiTech might wander in here at some point and discover a valuable resource for future reference, i.e. advice for fine tuning certain flight models or the overall 'feel' of the sim in general. Not that I'm suggesting it needs it, just that the potential exists with some players having actual r/w warbird stick time.
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Sobering story about that Miss Australia... :(
As for the jokes, fire away! We're all here for fun :)
Ok, since you mentioned... :D
This is the closest I've ever gotten :rofl:
(http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/h_bul_Wmaker.jpg)
As you can see, there's something nasty on my six with Hispanos on it...
Who recognizes the plane?
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Who recognizes the plane?
That's the Bristol Bulldog in Hallinportti Museum :)
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That's the Bristol Bulldog in Hallinportti Museum :)
Cheater!
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Having a good memory is cheating? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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That's the Bristol Bulldog in Hallinportti Museum :)
So who gave Wmaker a Bristol Bulldog? As if we don't have enough problems mumble grumble........
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Speaking of HiTech, I think he has some time in a P51
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Having a good memory is cheating? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
Hehe, thought you peaked to the article I linked the picture from. ;) :D
WTG Lusche! :)
It's a Mk.IV. IIRC there's one Mk.II in England but that's the only Mk.IV left in the world.
So who gave Wmaker a Bristol Bulldog? As if we don't have enough problems mumble grumble........
Heh, that thing would be like from another planet in the WWI arena for sure. :)
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Just realised the Bristol Bulldog is the a/c Douglas Bader augered in 1931 (the crash where he lost his legs). Sorry that this is off topic, but does anyone know the name of the other English double amputee pilot of WW2? I know he was in the RN, and lost his legs in a training accident early in the war, then returned to active duty some time later. There was a book (which I've misplaced) and I'd like to revisit his story.
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Hehe, thought you peaked to the article I linked the picture from. ;) :D
I have... several years ago. That's why I remembered that picture. I just had to look up the museum's name in Wikipedia in the Bulldog article, no way I can memorize a name like "Hallinportti" :D
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no way I can memorize a name like "Hallinportti" :D
:rofl :D
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Im starting to fly a Harvard MK 4 down here.
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Im starting to fly a Harvard MK 4 down here.
Interesting turn of events 1sum, considering you're in Texas I'd have expected it to be a Texan lol. What's an old Commonwealth a/c doing in that neck of the woods?
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Interesting turn of events 1sum, considering you're in Texas I'd have expected it to be a Texan lol. What's an old Commonwealth a/c doing in that neck of the woods?
We have a spitfire in a hanger at the san antonio airport, along with the P38 "Glacier Girl"
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I've never flown the C-47 but I have farted in one. There was an active C-47 at The American Airpower Museum on Long Island last year and they were giving tours. My brother and nephew were already standing in the cockpit talking to the pilot as I boarded the plane from the rear. Just as both of my feet were inside the plane I accidentally let one slip out. Within seconds I could see my brother and nephew shaking their heads in disgust as the smell hit them square in the face.
On a more serious note I live in CT and we've been fortunate as many WWII planes visit the area. This summer we had five Corsairs fly in from surrounding states and fly formations and maneuvers. We've also had B-17's, B-25's and P-51's visit the state. A couple of hours away on Long Island the American Airpower Museum has an impressive collection of planes such as a P-47, P-40, TBM Avenger, Corsair and P-51. All planes are operational. During the summer they celebrated the anniversary of The Battle of Britian and brought in a Lancaster Bomber and a Spitfire IX. By the way, the Spitfire is an impressive bird. A beautiful plane. Puts most of the big ugly American planes to shame. There were also several WWII pilots in attendance. One was a Tuskegee airmen and another a German pilot who flew the 109 with the 30mm gun in the nose. He said one shot was all it took to down an enemy plane.
We also have a museum in Hartford which houses a Thunderbolt and Corsair as well as a B-29. They have an open cockpit day once a month where you can sit inside the plane and play with the controls.
I'll post some pics as soon as I figure out how to do it.
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Interesting turn of events 1sum, considering you're in Texas I'd have expected it to be a Texan lol. What's an old Commonwealth a/c doing in that neck of the woods?
a buddy of mine owns it along with a p51D. its a really nice harvard.
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The aviation museum here in Tulsa has an F14 with a cockpit you can sit in. My wife refused to be my RIO though.
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A few years back I took a ride in a SNJ (Read: Navy version of he AT-6 Texan) the pilot told me that if I wanted a little stick time when we got airbone to let him know. I have to admit I got so pre-occupied with trying to follow the topography over Napa and the areas north of the San Francisco bay and following all the instruments that I completely forgot about flying till we were on the way back and he was asking me if I wanted to do a couple rolls...
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A few years back I took a ride in a SNJ (Read: Navy version of he AT-6 Texan) the pilot told me that if I wanted a little stick time when we got airbone to let him know. I have to admit I got so pre-occupied with trying to follow the topography over Napa and the areas north of the San Francisco bay and following all the instruments that I completely forgot about flying till we were on the way back and he was asking me if I wanted to do a couple rolls...
Was it here? http://www.vintageaircraft.com (http://www.vintageaircraft.com)?
I rode in a Boeing Stearman while it did some aerobatics there, was tons of fun! They also had a p51 & p40 too (though its not on the website).
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Was it here? http://www.vintageaircraft.com (http://www.vintageaircraft.com)?
I rode in a Boeing Stearman while it did some aerobatics there, was tons of fun! They also had a p51 & p40 too (though its not on the website).
That could very well be the place, I don't recall the name exactly but the biplanes look familiar. Didn't see a P-51 or P-40 while I was there.
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A few years back I took a ride in a SNJ (Read: Navy version of he AT-6 Texan) the pilot told me that if I wanted a little stick time when we got airbone to let him know. I have to admit I got so pre-occupied with trying to follow the topography over Napa and the areas north of the San Francisco bay and following all the instruments that I completely forgot about flying till we were on the way back and he was asking me if I wanted to do a couple rolls...
I got to fly a T-6 a few years back, did bunches of turns and rolls and loops. It was great, you couldn't have wiped the smile of my face with a hammer. After all those years of AW it felt totally natural, coordinating the turns was no problem nor was being upside down. Everything looked and seemed exactly like sim flying, except the forces.
Muzzy, I'm in Tulsa too man, we should get together one of these days and grab a beer.
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I got to fly a T-6 a few years back, did bunches of turns and rolls and loops. It was great, you couldn't have wiped the smile of my face with a hammer.
Nice one maddafinga, that smile on rtb is something pretty much everyone that flies has in common, at least. Pity we can't bottle it and distribute as and when needed :)
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Nice one maddafinga, that smile on rtb is something pretty much everyone that flies has in common, at least. Pity we can't bottle it and distribute as and when needed :)
No kidding man! I still break out in a grin every time I think of that flight.
The pilot said after the aerobatics, "you've got a really good stomach for this," made my day.
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After I soloed I had a big goofy grin on my face for several weeks.
Theres no feeling like that in the world
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After I soloed I had a big goofy grin on my face for several weeks.
Theres no feeling like that in the world
ahhh the first solo :angel: yep nothing like it, not even the first.... well, that's a close race to call :) I have a second solo story, the first was like most I suspect, memorable but nothing in particular to report. The second was a little more atypical. Blanik L13 2 seat all metal glider (with forward swept wings interestingly) winch launch. Generally we didn't get much more than 10 or 15 minutes in the air off the winch at that club, and the thermal activity didn't seem unusual on the check flight. I found one and got stuck in with the gusto you might expect from a newly fledged 'ace' pilot, and lost track of time. When I finally decided to call it a day the wind had changed (new active runway) and I had to lose over 4,000 feet of unfamiliar altitude. Got it all wrong and ended up on finals rather too low (air brakes out OOOPS NO airbrakes back in) and skimmed over the perimeter fence to a safe but non-glider like flat approach landing. CFI was sheet white, they'd had the recall mat out for over an hour but I hadn't noticed it. He thought he'd lost his star pupil, at least that's how I chose to interpret the stream of abuse. Total time of flight 2 hrs 17 minutes, max height achieved 4,300ft. I was quite unpopular with the other club members for hogging the a/c for half the afternoon, and my claim for a Silver C was refused outright.... or at least that's how I interpreted the stream of abuse.
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7th hour solo in a Cessna 172 Skyhawk at Crest Airpark Kent WA, that was back in 99. Since then....
150 hours Beechcraft c23 Sundowner
100 hours give or take few, Beechcraft A36 Bonanza
125 hours 172 Skyhawk
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7th hour solo in a Cessna 172 Skyhawk at Crest Airpark Kent WA, that was back in 99. Since then....
150 hours Beechcraft c23 Sundowner
100 hours give or take few, Beechcraft A36 Bonanza
125 hours 172 Skyhawk
Ahhh a GA pilot, excellent. :aok Twincam maybe you could answer a question for me, do you think that your RW GA experience has enhanced your combat performance in AH or worked against you? Basically I'm interested in your take on the difference between the two, i.e. GA flying generally requires careful precision and deliberate caution, whereas in AH (perhaps also in RW combat?) a certain explosive recklessness seems to lend some advantage.
It's also possible that you have managed to easily seperate the two, bringing the aggression into your virtual flying while not allowing your natural caution (from RW) to interfere. The reason I ask is that I've come across a number of RW pilots with considerably more RW experience than myself, who seem to struggle with ACM, apparently not so much due to skillset as to timing. But perhaps it's just an SA thing?
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GA flying generally requires careful precision and deliberate caution, whereas in AH (perhaps also in RW combat?) a certain explosive recklessness seems to lend some advantage.
I learned to fly computer games before I learned how to fly real aeroplanes. While the familiarity with cockpit instrumentation, principles of flight and all that was very useful in learning to fly, the "certain explosive recklessness" you identify became a significant hindrance to a number of aspects of RW flying, most notably landings and, oddly enough, straight and level flight.
I blame autotrim.
- oldman
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I learned to fly computer games before I learned how to fly real aeroplanes. While the familiarity with cockpit instrumentation, principles of flight and all that was very useful in learning to fly, the "certain explosive recklessness" you identify became a significant hindrance to a number of aspects of RW flying, most notably landings and, oddly enough, straight and level flight.
I blame autotrim.
- oldman
lol oldman, yeah I can see how that might happen. Once you 'burn in' a skillset the neurons involved are always waiting in the wings to fire up during moments of stress. I regularly consider then reject the idea of joining a nearby ultralight club which runs trikes, there's no question in my mind that at some point - almost certainly the least appropriate one - I would pull back on the control bar instead of pushing forward, or vise versa. Pity because I really like trikes, possibly one of the safest and funnest (and cheapest) ways to get airborne. Safest that is, if you haven't already learned to fly conventional controls, and I'm not ready to die looking like an idiot just yet (I can't help looking like an idiot, but if I die doing something stupid it's kinda written in stone).
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I have never landed in a C-5, although I have taken off in one...
All my warplane experiences are limited to flying somewhere, then being flung out into the Airborne breeze. UH-1, UH-60, CH-47, C-130, C-141, C-5, C-17. I really screwed up in the early nineties, I had a shot at jumping a OV-10, but my buddy and I figured the line was going to be outrageous and did not go. Turns out everyone else thought the same and so the guys that did head down jumped readily. Had to have been a blast.
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I have never landed in a C-5, although I have taken off in one...
All my warplane experiences are limited to flying somewhere, then being flung out into the Airborne breeze. UH-1, UH-60, CH-47, C-130, C-141, C-5, C-17. I really screwed up in the early nineties, I had a shot at jumping a OV-10, but my buddy and I figured the line was going to be outrageous and did not go. Turns out everyone else thought the same and so the guys that did head down jumped readily. Had to have been a blast.
No, see dirtdart.... you really need to stay in the aircraft to get some idea of how to fly it, jumping out like that every time you go up how are you going to learn anything?
That's a different world you live in (and you're welcome to it) :D :salute
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No Sir, a :salute to you able pilot.
The happiest days in my Airborne world (hence my old name of Dirtdart) was when I finally was a jumpmaster. Instead of being jumper 32 on the right side, I was now right by the jump door. In the event of an emergency, hook up, door opens, number one jumper... FOLLOW ME. I felt a lot better about flying after that lolz.
--Crusader
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My father flys general aviation quiet often in his diamond star.
I am planning to get my license in a couple of years.
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I have never landed in a C-5, although I have taken off in one...
Was in a C-5 a few times. Everytime it landed, something broke and required 12+hours of repairs. Apparently the combat takeoff was something. (I slept through it)
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Apparently the combat takeoff was something. (I slept through it)
Sounds like something I'd do.
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when i was young, i had an uncle who worked at wright patterson, i'd often go to the museum alot there. after i became a "reguler" and made friends with some of the workers there, they would let me get closer to the planes. ive sat in the cocpits of p51s/p38s/f6f and even an sr71 blackbird they had there for a limited time, i was even priviliged enough to ride in the famous b17 "memphis belle" as it was transported to wright pat for restoration. (by ride i mean was inside the bomber as it was being transported on the back of a flatbed down the highway, they didnt fly the plane, somethine about 2 of the engines have rust or corrution in it..i forget which) was all a fun experiance.
off of ww2 tho, i jobshadowed an apache pilot at fort knox for a school project, and got to fly in one of the apaches. (he even handed the controls over to me for a few secs, just dont tell the base control he did that :noid)
i'd post pics but idk how to post pics in the text box... im a forum noob :frown:
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Most of my flying was done in a Taylorcraft BL-65. The closest I came to flying a WWII fighter was in the late 50s when I was about six or seven years old. A friend of the family owned a P-51 that he flew in air shows. He let me sit in the plane with him while he taxied it to a hangar once. I could feel the power of that engine running in my chest. I will always remember that.
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Well like a year or 2 ago I was at the EAA airshow and got to fly in the B17 Aluminum Overcast. We were in it for like 10-20min sitting on the ground waiting for the oil to heat up, (we were the first flight). We flew over the EAA and saw all the planes, this was the year they had the A380 and that thing was HUGE from the air.
Then down in Texas my Uncle Joe was a tailgunner in the 310th bomb group off of Corsica and his plane was How 'Boot That!? Turns out Mr.Cavanuge bought the plane at an action after it miraculously survived WWII. Mr Cavangue (I think that's how you spell his name) wanted to restor the plane back into original condition, so he did. It is in airworthy condition but they don't fly it because it is the best perserved B-25 in the world. When I went down there I was aloud to walk through the plane get into the tail, cockpit, nose and waist. My Uncle Joe is still alive but 88. These are my 2 experiences. Oh here's the website for the plane : http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com/Aircraft/B-25/Page1.html
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This is probably not a new idea, but it occurs to me that maybe you don't actually have to do a thing to be a part of it. If someone can walk up to a warbird at an airshow, pat the fuselage fondly and feel respect and admiration for the men who flew it and the trials they endured, well to me that makes them part of the story.
Maybe that's the hidden purpose of a combat simulation? Previous generations would certainly not want us to suffer the horrors of war, but perhaps the game imparts a deeper understanding of the sacrifices made by our forebears, which in turn must help keep their memory alive.
Just a thought... it's probably been voiced before.
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This is probably not a new idea, but it occurs to me that maybe you don't actually have to do a thing to be a part of it. If someone can walk up to a warbird at an airshow, pat the fuselage fondly and feel respect and admiration for the men who flew it and the trials they endured, well to me that makes them part of the story.
Maybe that's the hidden purpose of a combat simulation? Previous generations would certainly not want us to suffer the horrors of war, but perhaps the game imparts a deeper understanding of the sacrifices made by our forebears, which in turn must help keep their memory alive.
Just a thought... it's probably been voiced before.
Thats very profound, I've never read that before.
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Concur Tusk
Being around an involved with this game I've learned more about the history of the total war than I ever would have in the past. There are certain players that, when they post, I always look to see what they're saying because they really know this stuff backwards and forwards.