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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on October 31, 2010, 09:55:45 PM
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The story goes that this piece of canvas came off of Georges Guynemers airplane in ww1, I have looked at guynemers insignia and dont think it is the same one.
Could it be from a plane in the same squadron? Any help would be appreciated.
Tupac
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/e7644ac8.jpg?t=1288579734)
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try this site and look for this; Escadre de Chasse 5
Groupe de Chasse I/5
'Champagne'
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/MTO_AXIS_FRANCE-VICHY.html
Regards,
Kevin
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try this site and look for this; Escadre de Chasse 5
Groupe de Chasse I/5
'Champagne'
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/MTO_AXIS_FRANCE-VICHY.html
Regards,
Kevin
Kevin, Thank you for your link. I have now linked this with guynemers squadron (Escadrille MS.3) but am looking for any more specific information.
Tupac
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They still are active BTW.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Mirage2000-5cigognes.jpg/800px-Mirage2000-5cigognes.jpg)
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Tupac, you own this piece of fabric???
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Tupac, you own this piece of fabric???
No, I posted this here for a friend who was looking to find out who's it was.
Do you know anything about it?
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Yea, I'm doing some research for you.
J
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nice carpet :old:
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I'll give you guys the whole story behind this piece of canvas (as far as I know)
This was owned by one Vernon Burge, the first enlisted aviator in the army air corp, when he passed away, this went to his grandson Robert Reeves. They always told him that this came off of Guynemers plane.
Robert's sister is my moms best friend, and she knew I had a huge interest in aviation, but i couldnt find any pictures of Guynemers last plane in any of my books. She sent me a picture, and I posted it here.
edit: thanks JHerne.
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Wikipedia states:
Death
Georges Guynemer in 1917
Guynemer failed to return from a combat mission on 11 September 1917. The previous week had been one of mechanical ills, in both his assigned aircraft and the ones he borrowed. At 08:30, with rookie pilot Jean Bozon-Verduraz, Guynemer took off in his Spad XIII S.504 n°2. His mission was to patrol the Langemark area. At 09:25, near Poelkapelle, Guynemer sighted a lone Rumpler, a German observation plane, and dived towards it. Bozon-Verduraz saw several Fokkers above him, and by the time he had shaken them off, his leader was nowhere in sight, so he returned alone. Guynemer never came back.[6][7]
Google is your friend.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/JonathanH/RiseOfFlightSkins/guynemer2.jpg)
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/JonathanH/RiseOfFlightSkins/guynemer1.jpg)
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/profile-ak-snc4/object3/732/99/n59232690972_37.jpg)
(http://www.communaute-urbaine-dunkerque.fr/uploads/pics/guynemer.jpg)
Seeing that those pics are of the plane he died in, the one in your pic is not from his place. There is no white stripe crossing the bird diagonally and the bird in your pic has its wings flapping up, the one on his Spad 12 and 13 had wings flapping down.
Also,
"It was not until 1916, under the pressure of the Great War in which aircraft numbers grew rapidly, that the association between the emblem and the unit became official. So that aircrews should be able to recognise other members of their own flight, in order to regroup after dispersal during fighting, the command of the Somme Combat Group, of which flight.3 was then a part, ordered that clear symbols be painted on aircraft. By this time, the flights had been grouped into squadrons. The squadron's commanding officer, Commandant Brocard chose to make reference to the Alsatian storks by using a white stork with lowered wings as the emblem on the Nieuports of no. 3 flight. He then ordered the other flights of the squadron to choose emblems using storks in other postures"
Guynemer was part of No. 3 flight which had its wings below the body. Official unit is Spa 3.
This piece of canvas your friend has belongs to Spa 103 which was the 2nd flight of the squadron
Here's a pic of Rene's Fonck's plane, of Spa 103:
(http://blog.awm.gov.au/awm/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/p04167_002-small.JPG)
That stork matches your canvas.
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(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g256/BloodyBandage/renenfonk.jpg)
Rene Fonck next to his plane.
:rofl
5 mins too late tac
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my isp went down as i was editing it lol.
anyways theres good info on the squadron, detailed info you can have your friend purchase.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zA30g4tATy0C&lpg=SL20-PA6&ots=oCMOJs13Lf&dq=Spa%20103%20combat%20losses&pg=SL20-PA9#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.scribd.com/doc/29099089/Cross-and-Cockade-Tableofcontents
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Thanks so much guys!