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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1Boner on November 01, 2010, 07:56:07 PM
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This plane is bristling with cannons, its fast and most importantly, really cool looking. :D
I looked briefly at several web sites and the max speed varies between 365 and 414 mph.
There was a "mosquito killer" variant also.
Could this thing catch and kill a B-29??
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7763/11987898513861167893522.gif)
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Could this thing catch and kill a B-29??
Only in a sense as even a Hurricane I can catch and kill a Ki-67 - if it manages to surprise one low & slow enough.
The operational He 219s with their huge antennas were not as fast as it's commonly quoted. Especially at the B-29's prime alt (30k) they would gasp for air.
The so called "Mosquito killer" A-6 was built in very low numbers, and was reported to be very unstable at high altitudes.
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It is really cool looking!!!
(http://www.afwing.com/art/boxart/he219.JPG)
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I might add that we do have one plane in game that was designed in anticipation of the expected B-29 raids:
The Ta-152H
I really can't think of any plane that saw combat in WWII, that would be better at chasing & killing the 29 as those we do already have in game.
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people are overestimating the B-29s abilitys
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people are overestimating the B-29s abilitys
Only because it is one of the most famous bombers in history. If not THE most famous bomber in history.
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true, but, in WW2 they were also getting shot down by mid 1943 by fighters that were developed in 1940, Ta-152 will mince any B-29
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people are overestimating the B-29s abilitys
In what way?
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true, but, in WW2 they were also getting shot down by mid 1943 by fighters that were developed in 1940, Ta-152 will mince any B-29
Yes, they were shot down by them: Very rarely.
I think you are vastly underestimating problems for the fighter resulting from combination of speed, size & altitude ;)
Even a B17 is far from being easy to catch & shoot down for a Ta 152 in Aces High.
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it is a great bomber, good ceiling, good speed, good bombload, but it isn't indisputable, and it wont change the way the game is played, I can estimate that it will have a pretty heavy perk (because lets face it, if it didn't that's the only thing buff pilots would fly) and I bet the second someone sees a con, they will be ready to vulch it as soon as it lands with a 262 or something like that, and we have lots of planes in game that are more then capable of destroying one with ease. I dunno, thats just my oppinon, and I do understand what you are saying, but if someone really wants to down a B-29(/Tu-4 :t) they could easily pre climb ahead of them, and just wait for them to come to you
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it is a great bomber, good ceiling, good speed, good bombload, but it isn't indisputable, and it wont change the way the game is played, I can estimate that it will have a pretty heavy perk (because lets face it, if it didn't that's the only thing buff pilots would fly) and I bet the second someone sees a con, they will be ready to vulch it as soon as it lands with a 262 or something like that, and we have lots of planes in game that are more then capable of destroying one with ease. I dunno, thats just my oppinon
Oh, we may overestimate the overall impact, because thatS' depending on several settings we do not know yet about (perks, eny, limited bases perhaps?)
But it's hard to overestimate it from a pure performance point of view, particularly if you have lots of experience fighting very high altitude bombers in AH ;)
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I dunno, thats just my oppinon, and I do understand what you are saying, but if someone really wants to down a B-29(/Tu-4 :t) they could easily pre climb ahead of them, and just wait for them to come to you
You do hunt bombers at 30k a lot? ;)
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when im not busy getting gangbanged at 5k in my La-5 yes, I find myself at 30K waiting for buffs :airplane:
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Depending on several settings we do not know yet about (limited bases perhaps?)
Speaking of which, I haven't seen the 163 bases at all, lately. What gives? I don't think I'm going crazy? :confused:
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Anybody know the climb rate of the 29??
Is this thing gonna take an hour to get to 25/30k??
Does it climb like a pimped out Lanc?
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I ask because it reads as if you don't have much experience in buff hunting at alt, else you would know the tactical challenge to intercept bombers like the B-17 at 30k.
Oh wait... in the last 4 tours you had killed 4 B-17s and 7 B-24s... :D
No offense, but it almost seems as you are overestimating you experience a little bit ;)
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Anybody know the climb rate of the 29??
Is this thing gonna take an hour to get to 25/30k??
I would expect so. Usually it's given as 900ft/min, but I'm sure someone will present better data.
Edit: This site (http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/boeib29.html) is claiming 38 minutes to 20K.
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none taken, just trying to kill the impression that the B-29 is a mega bomber
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none taken, just trying to kill the impression that the B-29 is a mega bomber
But maybe it's a correct one...
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Then catch it while its climbing!! LOL
I still wish for the HE-219, whether or not it can or cannot catch a B-29 is irrelevent to me.
Still seems like it would be a fun plane.
Max speed would have to be looked into apparently.
As I said earlier, what little searching I did earlier presented a pretty wide variance in max. speed capabilites.
And besides, its cool lookin and maybe they would hook it up with that schragga musik thingie tooo!!! :rock
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I respect you on the BBS, so I will just say, I shall think and research more in the future about what I say, and also that we will find out about the B-29 when/if it gets added, and if you would care to have some willing to learn company when you go to intercept them I would be greatfull
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true, but, in WW2 they were also getting shot down by mid 1943 by fighters that were developed in 1940..
Hardly. While some early Japanese fighters may have gotten extremely lucky and shot down a B-29, to say B-29s were getting shot down by 1940 era fighters in an attempt to show how vulnerable to fighters a B-29 maybe is disingenuous at best. The fact remains, the number of B-29s actually shot down by fighters is small and a greatly out numbered by the B-29s that were downed due to mechanical failure or AAA. I believe it was mechanical failure as the #1 cause of B-29s being downed, AAA was #2 and losses by fighters last.
ack-ack
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B-29 problems..... Solved.
(http://www.flymigsokol.com/files/photos/mig/31/mig21.jpg)
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Then catch it while its climbing!! LOL
Which is a very good idea. As you can bet it will be perked, "smart" players will take of from rear airbases, particular high alt ones. On some maps there will be almost virtual lanes in the air with a high probability to encounter heavy buffs. Go there in a jet and watch the map :devil
and if you would care to have some willing to learn company when you go to intercept them I would be greatfull
If I will ever play again you would be more than welcome... but for 99% of the players that stuff is boring as hell... that's why I was usually alone up there ;)
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But maybe it's a correct one...
I think the only thing that may make it work in the MA's is the fact that most people won't be patient enough to climb it.
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Hardly. While some early Japanese fighters may have gotten extremely lucky and shot down a B-29, to say B-29s were getting shot down by 1940 era fighters in an attempt to show how vulnerable to fighters a B-29 maybe is disingenuous at best. The fact remains, the number of B-29s actually shot down by fighters is small and a greatly out numbered by the B-29s that were downed due to mechanical failure or AAA. I believe it was mechanical failure as the #1 cause of B-29s being downed, AAA was #2 and losses by fighters last.
ack-ack
I was never attempting to show how vulnerable it was, just that its not invincible, which some people on here have made it seem, also, I don't know if this has been talked about before, but will the pressurisation of the fuselage affect how well the B-29 takes damage? I know nothing would hapen with a smaller bullet, but what would the effects of a 20 or 30mm shell have on the fuselage?
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I was never attempting to show how vulnerable it was, just that its not invincible, which some people on here have made it seem, also, I don't know if this has been talked about before, but will the pressurisation of the fuselage affect how well the B-29 takes damage? I know nothing would hapen with a smaller bullet, but what would the effects of a 20 or 30mm shell have on the fuselage?
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6196/243v.jpg) (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/243v.jpg/)
j/k
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1) The He219 was an underpowered piece of crap. It is a great looking fighter though.
2) The pressurization on the B-29 was nothing like on an airliner, so far as I know. It probably reduced the effective altitude inside the bomber by ~5,000 to 10,000ft. Airliners generally maintain cabin air pressure of about 7,000ft regardless of their actual altitude.
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ah, I see karnak, so it pretty much was just there so they were able to breath without O2 at alt?
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2) The pressurization on the B-29 was nothing like on an airliner, so far as I know. It probably reduced the effective altitude inside the bomber by ~5,000 to 10,000ft. Airliners generally maintain cabin air pressure of about 7,000ft regardless of their actual altitude.
The cabin enviroment could be kept the equivalent of ~10k up to ~30k. The aircraft was unpressurized before entering combat zone in order to avoid rapid decompression when getting hit.
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The crew compartment areas were the only areas that were pressurized, the bomb bay wasn't. There was a tunnel that crossed the bomb bay that was used by the crew to move from the tail to forward sections.
ack-ack
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+1 for the MIG-21 !! :lol
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1) The He219 was an underpowered piece of crap.
Under powered?
The lowest max speed I saw was 365, and the highest was somewhere around 415.
That doesn't sound underpowered to me.
Piece of crap? How so??
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The He 219 was not a dayfighter, it was not designed to be one, and it was not used as one. It would be slaughtered in that application.