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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Scotch on November 02, 2010, 06:36:05 AM
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sucks!
Didn't realize it was default to on. :lol
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lol how long been on?
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snicker
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mine was on the other day as well sometimes it seems to just turn itself on.
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If your the scotch that used to fly with us in the 47Ronin from time to time then... How ya been man?
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Damn...I missed my chance to have a go at you when you couldn't get your best out of your craft.....oh well yet another pilot to learn from once you have safely removed me from your field of view :lol :lol
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:rofl
POST 3000!!! wootwoot :rofl :rofl :rofl <-even funnier than this thread
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(http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu228/Keevko/Miscellaneous/Pan-Smack.gif)
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POST 3000!!! wootwoot :rofl :rofl :rofl <-even funnier than this thread
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so at the risk of being laughed at, im going to admit that i do fly with the stall limiter on...
However, having only been on AH for a little over 6 months I am now considering turning it off.
Firsly, I notice that general flight is a lot more demanding and it forces you to fly a little more gently, (my usual ham-fisted attempts to throw the plane around, now quickly result in me going into a spin/stall etc).
So my question is, how much of an effect it will have on a planes performance? (obviously different effects in different rides...but just generally please...)
I assume it allows you to fly closer to the edge of the flight envelope at the risk that if you do not know where that edge is you will end up spinning/stalling...
I also assume it gives an obvious advantage? So what is the best way for me to exploit this new found advantage?
I guess flying more and understanding the limits of the plane would be a good start, but is there anything anyone has noticed in particular where having the limiter off has shown particular advantages? Certain turns, maneouvres, etc, etc...
Cheers
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Fodder
I'm not sure if you recall but I was messing around in the DA with you and threeup a few months ago, Threeup had stall limiter on at 15k in a spit 16, I had it off in an I-16. At 15k trying to stay with the spit had me flopping around and falling out of the sky. On the deck I had his number well and truly. Turned stall limiter on at 15k in the I-16 and I had a much better time of it. What I'm trying to point out is that when you take your plane out of its comfort zone with the stall limiter off it will turn around and bite you if you dont look after it. The stall limiter is a real crutch when you are out of your performance envelope. happy to do it again if you want to play around with it, I'll check in tonight.
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righto...seems i need to have a bit of play around to figure it all out...
I should be on a little later tonight, ill keep an eye out for you
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Stall turns are good
Turn it off
It will take awhile to get to grips with
By the end of this tour you"ll be fine
It's like plugging in rudder pedals or trackerIR
Takes awhile to get used to but well worth the effort
Any way what's life with out a challenge
Enjoy
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so at the risk of being laughed at, im going to admit that i do fly with the stall limiter on...
However, having only been on AH for a little over 6 months I am now considering turning it off.
Nothing to laugh there.
When I was new, I decided to keep SL on after a few sorties. There was so much to learn (getting a feel for closure rates, judging energy, learning basic SA) that I was glad the limiter made keeping control of my bird a bit easier. At that point, the loss in performance was not as important in comparison to loss of control.
Only after 2-3 months I felt confident enough to start concentrating on the finer points of dogfighting and switched it off. I have to say that I was mostly BnZ / E fighting (= hit & run) in a LA7 so that the lesser performance in tight turns was not that cruical to me.
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Fodder
I'm not sure if you recall but I was messing around in the DA with you and threeup a few months ago, Threeup had stall limiter on at 15k in a spit 16, I had it off in an I-16. At 15k trying to stay with the spit had me flopping around and falling out of the sky. On the deck I had his number well and truly. Turned stall limiter on at 15k in the I-16 and I had a much better time of it. What I'm trying to point out is that when you take your plane out of its comfort zone with the stall limiter off it will turn around and bite you if you dont look after it. The stall limiter is a real crutch when you are out of your performance envelope. happy to do it again if you want to play around with it, I'll check in tonight.
Stall limiter is great for high alt stuff - bigger circles. We were high (with alt!!!) and the XVI doesn't like stripping E because of tight turns so it's on. Two things wrong with that. You can't predict your alt unless you're in an artificial or alt limited arena (like the 15K part of the DA). And the second is I'm a Spit Dweeb so my opinion is probably forfeit.
Phatz - Most times you've got my number mate - Cheers.
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Stall limiter is great for high alt stuff - bigger circles. We were high (with alt!!!) and the XVI doesn't like stripping E because of tight turns so it's on. Two things wrong with that. You can't predict your alt unless you're in an artificial or alt limited arena (like the 15K part of the DA). And the second is I'm a Spit Dweeb so my opinion is probably forfeit.
Phatz - Most times you've got my number mate - Cheers.
yeah i gotta say you can even pull off flatspins in spitfires even without stall limiter on let alone off. but without it on ive seen a few major advantages for the spit in tight situations. When i took SL off for the first time and took up my zero, i flatspined into the ground :lol after a few flights of doing circles over the base, i felt confident enough to go into battle. Im not going to lie this was only in february of this year approx. since then ive had it off for every flight. My P51 feels great without it on. it seems nice and stable to me (could just me being used to it). But in the end, take stall limiter off. its a hinderance in many fights and only good for learning planes.
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I hate to burst your bubbles folks, but having stall limiter turned on will always put you at a disadvantage against someone that doesn't have it on. You will not be able to fly your plane to the edge of the envelop with it on, while the other person with it off can and give him the upper hand in an angles fight. Pure E fighting it isn't as much as an issue but it will still handicap you when trying to go for quick deflection shots on your pass, while the other guy will have that much more of an easier time avoiding your pass with a hard break that you couldn't match because the stall limiter won't let you exceed your AoA.
It's a good learning tool to get you over the hump of the learning curve for the flight model and it should be turned off once you've gotten familiar with how planes fly in here.
ack-ack
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thanks to all for the advice.
Will definately turn it off and see how I go. :joystick:
Expect to see me flopping to the ground a bit in the next month...
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thanks to all for the advice.
Will definately turn it off and see how I go. :joystick:
Expect to see me flopping to the ground a bit in the next month...
already expecting :aok