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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on November 09, 2010, 02:31:21 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mystery-missile-launched-missile-off-california-coast/story?id=12097155
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A83Z820101109
Possible Chinese ICBM launch 35 miles off the coast of LA to remind the US of its imminent decline, (while its President is traveling overseas) and not to get in the way of Chinese ambitions in the new world order? Or just a errant US missile launch.......
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HOW does NORAD and other imaging satellites that look for these types of things miss a launch of a possible ICBM or ANY missile that would leave a tail like that? Especially one so close to a major metropolitan city like LA.
Honestly I would like to know since I have zero idea on those types of things.
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It was just some errant swamp gas
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I vote for supersonic weather balloon.
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Could have been smaller and closer than folks thought. Meaning it could be some amature rocket enthusiast.
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I've got a model rocket that would leave a similar contrail. Not as large, but it is 8 ft tall. I'm betting on a hobby rocket launch. Some home -built rockets can be quite spectacular.
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Sorry, I was doing some test runs with my B29. It was not my intent to scare everyone. :D
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Down towards Galveston there is a launch site for rocket enthusiast. Some of those NASA boys bring some large rockets at times that require prior air traffic control before launch. Absolutely amazing to watch.
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Well I straped some new engines on my 262 to go kill your B-29 tht may have been it. Only like 1000 extra perks.
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Down towards Galveston there is a launch site for rocket enthusiast. Some of those NASA boys bring some large rockets at times that require prior air traffic control before launch. Absolutely amazing to watch.
IIRC any rocket over 2 lbs (with engine) needs FAA clearance to launch.
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Any chance this was just a royal f*&k up that no one is fessing up to?
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Any chance this was just a royal f*&k up that no one is fessing up to?
Could very well be. If it is, I'm sure they'll figure out the details.
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Could very well be. If it is, I'm sure they'll figure out the details.
I kind of bet we'll hear it was a large amateur rocket, whether that is the truth or not.
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Launch area was estimated to be 35 miles off the coast. This was a sub launched missile and not a cruise missile. This was a ICBM. Look at the film.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20101109/US.Pentagon.Mystery.Missile/
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I kind of bet we'll hear it was a large amateur rocket, whether that is the truth or not.
Unless the perspective was deceiving, that rocket didn't look amateur to me. Most amateur rockets go more or less vertically (just because you don't want to have to walk a few miles to retrieve it). The rocket in the video appears to have a significant horizontal component (especially because it appears to have changed direction at one point, but perhaps there was some bad windshear). IMO, it was either a badly screwed up (but rather powerful) amateur launch, or the perspective is just screwy, or it's shopped, or it's not amateur. Who knows? :P
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Launch area was estimated to be 35 miles off the coast. This was a sub launched missile and not a cruise missile. This was a ICBM. Look at the film.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20101109/US.Pentagon.Mystery.Missile/
Right off Catalina Island. Lotsa rich folks with big boats around there.
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Launch area was estimated to be 35 miles off the coast. This was a sub launched missile and not a cruise missile. This was a ICBM. Look at the film.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20101109/US.Pentagon.Mystery.Missile/
I think it's far too soon to say what it was, but I'd have a hard time believing that wasn't missile. CNN's saying it could have been a plane, but I've never seen any plane contrail like that before.
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I think it's far too soon to say what it was, but I'd have a hard time believing that wasn't missile. CNN's saying it could have been a plane, but I've never seen any plane contrail like that before.
I saw an interview on FOX and they said the same thing, possibly a plane? A plane? Really? I think id believe the swamp gas or supersonic balloon theory posed before i would believe a plane.
The good news is they have absolutly no idea what it was.......but they know were all safe from it. :O
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IIRC any rocket over 2 lbs (with engine) needs FAA clearance to launch.
I'm not sure if that is the requirement, but these are much larger.
CNN interviewed a guy that says it is all perspective. That is the contrail from a jet. It is not vertical but coming at the cameraman. The trail leads over the horizon. The vehicle is way too slow for a rocket.
I looked at pics and the film again...... I think he may have nailed it.
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I'm not sure if that is the requirement, but these are much larger.
CNN interviewed a guy that says it is all perspective. That is the contrail from a jet. It is not vertical but coming at the cameraman. The trail leads over the horizon. The vehicle is way too slow for a rocket.
A rocket coming going horizontal-ish in your direction could appear to be moving quite slowly.
What I'm really wondering is what happens after the end of the video. It seems a bit odd that they'd get this thing in their viewfinder then just leave it.
lol, now they're saying that apparently it could have been an errant launch. I don't know what would be worse: military/someone else pressing big red buttons that they really shouldn't be pressing, or some unknown BAMF launching missiles off your coast for the lulz.
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I feel so safe in Cali.....
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20101109/US.Pentagon.Mystery.Missile/
-BigBOBCH
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I feel so safe in Cali.....
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20101109/US.Pentagon.Mystery.Missile/
-BigBOBCH
From that article: ""The local station chopped up the video and so it's hard to watch it continuously," Pike said. "But at one place you can see it has changed course — rockets don't do that."" BS
Irrelevant video is mostly irrelevant, but still cool looking towards the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baEux7jd-ZE
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From that article: ""The local station chopped up the video and so it's hard to watch it continuously," Pike said. "But at one place you can see it has changed course — rockets don't do that."" BS
Irrelevant video is mostly irrelevant, but still cool looking towards the end: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baEux7jd-ZE
Yeah.....cool looking...until it blows up my house >.>
-BigBOBCH
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It appears like a missile launch but weird how the object does not seem to move. also the camera moves around quite a bit.
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Looks to me like an airliner flying toward the camera at altitude more than it does a missile.
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Contrail. Media has no clue.
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/texashogleg/19230-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-r-looks-at-a-book-upon-his-v-1.jpg)
:aok
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For the gents saying contrails, how are you explaing the obvious fire coming from the object?
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Just how obvious? I saw a glint and reflection for a split second through a pretty significant mirage making it not possible to determine exactly what it is I'm seeing.
I can say whatever it is doesn't look like a missile.
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Right off Catalina Island. Lotsa rich folks with big boats around there.
Apparently they have big rockets too!! :O
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Sorry about that guys. I ate one to many bean burritos the other day and got to close to an open flame. It was one hell of a ride I'm just glad I got down safe.
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It is a V-2 Rocket. Germans must have been hiding in the sea all this time and decided to used it.
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Was probably Andy & Jonathan Hillstrand having more firework shenanigans off the Time Bandit
Tronsky
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Just how obvious? I saw a glint and reflection for a split second through a pretty significant mirage making it not possible to determine exactly what it is I'm seeing.
I can say whatever it is doesn't look like a missile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OHjRFXnFs&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OHjRFXnFs&sns=em)
You can clearly see in the opening clip there is more than a split second of glare. Would the FAA not be able to determine if an aircraft was on that flight path?
I've lived in Orange County and have seen plenty of missile launches from the same area over the years. I did not see this in person but the video shows the same things I witnessed before.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OHjRFXnFs&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5OHjRFXnFs&sns=em)
You can clearly see in the opening clip there is more than a split second of glare. Would the FAA not be able to determine if an aircraft was on that flight path?
I've lived in Orange County and have seen plenty of missile launches from the same area over the years. I did not see this in person but the video shows the same things I witnessed before.
im with you on this one
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im with you on this one
Well, there goes my credibility! :D
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I'm a little unsure, but as far as what some say is a glint of flame, could probably be caused by the suns reflection. If you notice, the glint is only visible at a certain point and if you look at the clouds, the angle looks the same. If it was a flame on an actual missle, wouldn't it be visible the entire time?
I'm still not sure if it was a missle or a plane, I'll let the investigators figure that one out.
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Most likely it was a test of one of our missiles. they're seen often in southern california. but since the pentagon is saying no, then most likely it is some secret test the government is doing. It's not the first time these missiles have been seen off the coast and its also not the first time the goverment has said it wasnt ours. sorry guys try to bash the prez some other way.
as for the media having no clue, well lets just say people pay more attention when the media says they have no clue. had they said it looks like one the dozens of missiles that have been tested over the years, nobody would've paid any attention.
I remember back in 84 or 85 (first time I saw a missile) there was a missile seen over the ocean in the same place as this one. thousands of people saw it. they called the radio stations, tv, police, whatever, nobody knew what it was. it took the government 3 days to say, yeah it was ours, it was a test. so sorry.
semp
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I remember back in 84 or 85 (first time I saw a missile) there was a missile seen over the ocean in the same place as this one. thousands of people saw it. they called the radio stations, tv, police, whatever, nobody knew what it was. it took the government 3 days to say, yeah it was ours, it was a test. so sorry.
semp
I remember that!(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/img.gif)
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just found this interesting site:
"Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails"
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4
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just found this interesting site:
"Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails"
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4
And missile trails can look like contrails from certain angles...
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just found this interesting site:
"Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails"
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4
Pretty good info there. Still hard to say what exactly it was
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(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/texashogleg/19230-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-il-r-looks-at-a-book-upon-his-v-1.jpg)
:aok
LMAO
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That is one hell of a contrail then...temps must have been awfully low up there and the winds very steady to keep it like that. But I am just guessing based off the few missile and shuttle launches I have seen. Never seen a sub launched missile though so I wouldn't know what they would be like.
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There used to be a time when we knew where all the Soviet Boomers were at any given moment... Wonder if we are still doing that? Or if we are doing that for China?
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(http://media2.abc2news.com//photo/2010/11/09/mysterymissle_20101109120911_320_240.JPG)
"So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"
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Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.
"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]."
Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.
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Noooo! Its a bottle rocket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jDfX4P0jY
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I was stationed at Vandenberg AFB for 5 years and saw plenty of launches. Looks like a missile to me. If If I were to guess, it looks like an air defense type, maybe a Standard missile, which is the Navy's mid-to-long range interceptor (the ER, or extended range, is a pretty good size rocket). Doesn't look like it could be from Vandyland, as that is a bit north of the area it appears to have com from, so a ship-launched AAA rocket makes the most sense. They don't do test sub-launches of tomahawks or harpoons in that area, and NEVER do SLMB launches without a lot of pre-notification (for what should be pretty obvious reasons). I don't believe it is a foreign launch, as that would be an insanely dangerous move by a foreign power. Of course, it could have been a terrorist group, one that went wrong perhaps, as it appear to have headed out to sea rather than over land.
That area has plenty of radar coverage, as there's so much air traffic in that area, and it seems odd (mysteriously so) that no ATC reports have been forthcoming. We've also seen no upgrading of the threat levels in this country (if it were a terrorist attempt, there would be), so my best guess would be an accidental launch. That in itself is a distrubing enough scenario.
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OK, to all the challenged people thinking this was a foreign launch, keep this in mind.
Foreign launches originate somewhere else. Like in a foreign country, for example. They tend to land here, not take off from here.
Friendly launches on the other hand, may originate here and head towards a foreign country :lol
Big thank you to the OP. One can learn so match about people by reading threads like this one :rofl
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OK, to all the challenged people thinking this was a foreign launch, keep this in mind.
Foreign launches originate somewhere else. Like in a foreign country, for example. They tend to land here, not take off from here.
Friendly launches on the other hand, may originate here and head towards a foreign country :lol
Big thank you to the OP. One can learn so match about people by reading threads like this one :rofl
Yeah so match as missing the submarine part lol :rofl
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don't be so dense.
A show of power by China being able to maneuver one of her three boomers off the coast of the western US and launch a test of their latest SLBM would be an awesome event. Especially with the president out of the seat of power playing foreign kiss and tell in Asia. Of course any test launch will head over the empty pacific, but what better demonstration, and warning. Puts the US on notice.
This is a possibility. If so, and coupled with the fact that the US military would have had zero clue, this development would be bitterly disappointing and frighteningly alarming.
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This is all very interesting, because my friend who flew out of LAX (i believe) over a year ago, said he was looking out his window and saw a contrail coming towards his plane, he thought it was a missile and was going to shoot down the airplane. He said he was scared to death. I'm going to talk to him later today and see what he has to say about all of this.
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don't be so dense.
A show of power by China being able to maneuver one of her three boomers off the coast of the western US and launch a test of their latest SLBM would be an awesome event. Especially with the president out of the seat of power playing foreign kiss and tell in Asia. Of course any test launch will head over the empty pacific, but what better demonstration, and warning. Puts the US on notice.
This is a possibility.
It's also a possibility that you can learn all about the world by watching action movies, but it isn't probable. :old:
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FLS what is your point?
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You know what question I haven't heard anyone on the news or the internet ask? Why is this news helicopter the ONLY one who saw this huge freaking missile-rocket-whatever launched off the coast of LA? Maybe because only from that perspective did it look like a missile. Where are all the on the street interviews of "joe blow" who also saw this missile launch? I'm sure everyone eating dinner at a waterfront restaurant would have seen this spectacular sunset missile launch.
Kazz
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My point is that just about anything, no matter how absurd, is a possibility. For example it's a possibility that a missile launch in view of millions of people is only seen from one location where coincidentally a contrail would resemble a missile launch. It's not probable, but it's a possibility. It's a possibility that China would risk starting WW3 to demonstrate a capability that we already know they have, but it's not probable.
Is my point clear now? :D
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Yes.
Wheres my B29
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You know what question I haven't heard anyone on the news or the internet ask? Why is this news helicopter the ONLY one who saw this huge freaking missile-rocket-whatever launched off the coast of LA? Maybe because only from that perspective did it look like a missile. Where are all the on the street interviews of "joe blow" who also saw this missile launch? I'm sure everyone eating dinner at a waterfront restaurant would have seen this spectacular sunset missile launch.
Kazz
I looked and found that a ferry was scheduled to leave Santa Catalina Island at 4:30 PST. en-route to Newport Beach CA. The trip is estimated at 1 hr 15 min.
So, I went and figured that since the "rocket" was spotted at 5:00 PST, this ferry would have been less than 1/2 way home.
This would have placed the ferry approximately 40 miles from the suspected "launch" site. I would think that someone would notice an ICBM being launched from 40 miles. Not to mention all of the pleasure craft and the huge amount of commercial traffic that is inbound/outbound from Long Beach harbor.
My money is on "optical illusion. Of course it could always be that wacky Balloon Boy is at it again.
<S> Melvin
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That area has plenty of radar coverage, as there's so much air traffic in that area, and it seems odd (mysteriously so) that no ATC reports have been forthcoming. We've also seen no upgrading of the threat levels in this country (if it were a terrorist attempt, there would be), so my best guess would be an accidental launch. That in itself is a distrubing enough scenario.
Only thing I've found is this:
NOTAM for LA.
KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 – THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE – FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010
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Only thing I've found is this:
NOTAM for LA.
KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 – THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE – FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010
The only issue I have with this is that it was created nearly 4 hours after the "event", and wasn't due to go into effect until the next day at 20:00. Also, I'm not sure they could do much (concerning some mysterious launch) in the 5 hour window it provides.
My guess is that this is coincidental to some prior arranged exercise.
<S> Melvin
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Only thing I've found is this:
NOTAM for LA.
KZLA LOS ANGELES A2832/10 – THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176. CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION. W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE – FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010
I read somewhere yesterday that these are issued as a matter of routine, whether or not they actually do launch anything.
A show of power by China being able to maneuver one of her three boomers off the coast of the western US and launch a test of their latest SLBM would be an awesome event.
Awesomely stupid, maybe.
And yeah, I now think this was a plane. The only bit of evidence that doesn't add up to it being a plane is the way that the contrail looks right as it leaves the 'thing', but that could be the result of a weird viewing angle.
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don't be so dense.
A show of power by China being able to maneuver one of her three boomers off the coast of the western US and launch a test of their latest SLBM would be an awesome event. Especially with the president out of the seat of power playing foreign kiss and tell in Asia. Of course any test launch will head over the empty pacific, but what better demonstration, and warning. Puts the US on notice.
This is a possibility. If so, and coupled with the fact that the US military would have had zero clue, this development would be bitterly disappointing and frighteningly alarming.
:rofl Yeah, always look for the most extreme and stupid possibility. That is what you do if you are trying to start a war. I guess because the US government neglected to tell you what exercises or test they have planed, there is no way it would be something simple as that. Tell you what, maybe it was a UFO? Must have been an alien craft taking off from their under water base (Atlantis) heading back home to avoid 2012. It is a possibility right? :rofl
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Ded, word on the street is the military was not involved. In my experience they don't hide these matters of missile launching and if deep secrecy is important they typically don't do things out in the open close enough to shore where news helicopters can see things. Put some thought into it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/10/california.contrails/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Pentagon spokesperson describes event as likely aircraft contrails.
I've seen countless contrails at all positions relative to the sun, and I have seen some stunning and even freaky displays of contrails....but the one caught on film is truly a beast of a contrail.
At least the Pentagon still has the capacity to function in the national defense role, even if a few days late. Hey, wherethehell has the dept of homeland security been?
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Ded, word on the street is the military was not involved. In my experience they don't hide these matters of missile launching and if deep secrecy is important they typically don't do things out in the open close enough to shore where news helicopters can see things. Put some thought into it.
I did, and I concluded that it was a Chinese sub ;)
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I bet that was valdals finally blowing his top, i jk i miss the guy
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It is far better to plan on something that might happen and does not than it is to not plan on something that does.
And of course, density can be a good thing.
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While there is nothing at this time that leads the Department of Defense to believe this is a missile launch, the department and other US government agencies with expertise in aviation and space continue to look into the condensation trail (CONTRAIL) seen and reported off the coast of southern California on Monday evening.
All DoD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail. NORAD and USNORTHCOM confirmed that it did not monitor any foreign military missile launch off the California coast yesterday and has determined that there was no threat to the US homeland.
In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon of a large area west of Los Angeles. Those replays did not reveal any fast-moving, unidentified targets. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon.
If any new information comes to light in the coming days, we will update the press and public.
DoD statement attributed to Col. Dave Lapan, DoD spokesman.
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It is far better to plan on something that might happen and does not than it is to not plan on something that does.
And of course, density can be a good thing.
Haha, true, but we are not planing anything. We are just speculating. I am pretty sure the government knows what it was
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They know what it wasn't. Def not any sort of missile. They got that figured out. Speculation is that it was an aircraft. No reason for it to be anything else. Odd things happen up there in the thin air.
I have enjoyed this :)
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Something to ponder:
An aircraft flying at 30,000 ft, 200 miles away is actually below the horizon (you know, that whole 1492, Columbus, round-Earth thingie), so if the aircraft is flying towards an observer on the ground, it's contrail appears to originate from the ground. But to a ground observer adjacent to the flight path, it's just another airplane.
IMHO just another slow news day on the Left Coast :D
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Just watched an interview with the KCBS helo pilot that filmed it. He watched it for over 10 minutes and thought it was an incoming missile.
Uh, 10 minutes? That thing would have been in LA if it was a missile, unless they have developed some super secret slow flying missile.
Aircraft contrail.
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This is the super secret slow flying WW2 technology missile
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Just watched an interview with the KCBS helo pilot that filmed it. He watched it for over 10 minutes and thought it was an incoming missile.
Uh, 10 minutes? That thing would have been in LA if it was a missile, unless they have developed some super secret slow flying missile.
Aircraft contrail.
Have you ever watched a missile launch/test in Southern California before?
With the amount of planned launches I've watched in that same general area, it wasn't a far fetched story. Add to that, they have denied launches before, only to admit to it a few days later.
This wasn't a big story BECAUSE there was a possible launch, it was a big story because a perceived launch was said to be a mystery from the government.
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It was America West Flight 808 Honolulu to Phoenix. Oh look, here it comes again the next day at the same time.
(http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Newport%20Webcam_604x341.png)
Glad they run a tight ship at Secret Missile Launch HQ, errr I mean America West Airlines! :noid
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For those who can't figure out why people jumped to conclusions, here's an article explaining why it was perfectly logical to assume it was a real missile launch.
LOS ANGELES, June 29 (Xinhua) -- The U.S. Air Force test fired an intercontinental missile from a base west of Santa Barbara in Southern California early on Monday.
The launch produced a spectacle that could be visible in Los Angeles, San Diego and the Inland Empire.
The Minuteman 3 was fired from Vandenberg Air Force Base during a six-hour window that started at 3:01 a.m., carrying three unarmed re-entry vehicles that hit their targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, some 4,200 miles (6,720 kilometers) away, the Air Force said.
It said the launch was an operational test to check the weapon system's reliability and accuracy.
Test data will be used by United States Strategic Command planners and Department of Energy laboratories.
Such rocket tests in past years have been visible over most of Southern California, and occasionally as far east as Tucson, Arizona. The rockets can cause a glowing exhaust trail that can get blown into strange shapes by upper-atmosphere winds.
In addition, unburned fuel dumped into the atmosphere can form a colorful glow in a dark sky as sunlight reaches the upper atmosphere. These strange occurrences have triggered thousands of calls to police switchboards in years past.
Monday's launch will mark the last time that the Air Force Space Command will be in charge of such tests. Its function has been absorbed by the newly-created Global Strike Command, according to earlier press reports.
A handful of anti-nuclear weapon activists staged a picket outside Vandenberg's gates as the missile was fired.
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It was America West Flight 808 Honolulu to Phoenix. Oh look, here it comes again the next day at the same time.
(http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Newport%20Webcam_604x341.png)
Glad they run a tight ship at Secret Missile Launch HQ, errr I mean America West Airlines! :noid
Well Ill be......crazy stuff. I was kinda hoping for supersonic swampgas, but this makes more sence :lol
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Well Ill be......crazy stuff. I was kinda hoping for supersonic swampgas, but this makes more sence :lol
An honestly curious question, are you aware the military launches (notifying the public) missiles off the coast of SoCal that are easily viewed from the same area as the suspected contrail sighting?
I trust the government's decision on this one, but also know a secret test that wound up being not so secret would be denied/covered up (hopefully).
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For those who can't figure out why people jumped to conclusions, here's an article explaining why it was perfectly logical to assume it was a real missile launch.
Oh no, I know exactly why people jumped to conclusions :rofl Darwin is probably twisting in his grave every time something like this happens
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Something to ponder:
An aircraft flying at 30,000 ft, 200 miles away is actually below the horizon (you know, that whole 1492, Columbus, round-Earth thingie), so if the aircraft is flying towards an observer on the ground, it's contrail appears to originate from the ground. But to a ground observer adjacent to the flight path, it's just another airplane.
IMHO just another slow news day on the Left Coast :D
Now that's insight! :aok
-Penguin
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An honestly curious question, are you aware the military launches (notifying the public) missiles off the coast of SoCal that are easily viewed from the same area as the suspected contrail sighting?
I trust the government's decision on this one, but also know a secret test that wound up being not so secret would be denied/covered up (hopefully).
Neg.....Im on the East coast, and i agree w/your 2nd statement completely.
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It was America West Flight 808 Honolulu to Phoenix. Oh look, here it comes again the next day at the same time.
(http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Newport%20Webcam_604x341.png)
Glad they run a tight ship at Secret Missile Launch HQ, errr I mean America West Airlines! :noid
Thanks rpm, this whole silly thing has gotten way too much air play.
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just found this interesting site:
"Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails"
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4
the pic that they say its heading torwards you discredited that site for me. contrails dont from from scattered to solid, they go from a solid tight line into a scattered fluffy line...
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the pic that they say its heading torwards you discredited that site for me. contrails dont from from scattered to solid, they go from a solid tight line into a scattered fluffy line...
That isn't always true.
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I am 100% positive that was a missile launch...why you ask? The FAA said that NIGHT that there was no aircraft in that area. Then 60 hours later the pentagon says it was a 747 going from Hawaii to Seattle....I mean come on really?
-BigBOBCH
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Cite your source, Bigbob.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX
That shows the track over the ground. This next one will give you lat/long/altitude of that airplane on that flight.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX/tracklog
According to that at 5pm PT the airplane was at the location of the pushpin on this map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33.3N+118.75W&sll=40.052597,-75.64184&sspn=0.007868,0.013711&ie=UTF8&ll=33.344296,-118.43811&spn=2.197946,3.510132&z=8&iwloc=A
Then the next night, the same flight showed up the same way at the same place. Pretty amazing, eh?
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The thing that threw me off was the fact that every time I have ever viewed a contrail magnified I could always make out more than one point of origin (engine's) of the contrail. That and the dispersal of the gasses typically starts at a given point back in the vapor trial then tapers off more and more quickly farther back and then largely dissipates.
This contrail was quite a bit different from any that I have ever seen. It also gave a distinct single tube like appearance, more in line with what one would see from a rocket motor.
Contrary to this dolt named dedalios who thinks everyone but him is an idiot, this thing was odd enough, one-off enough, to have caught a lot of peoples attention and apparently, imagination.
Glad it turned out harmless, more or less :aok
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Oh no, I know exactly why people jumped to conclusions :rofl Darwin is probably twisting in his grave every time something like this happens
Please explain what is so far-fetched to you about this story?
Do you not understand the military actually does test missiles in the exact same area off the coast?
Not to mention they have denied launches before only to admit to them later.
You should do a little research of missile testing off the coast of Southern California, you would understand why people believe this was a launch.
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Cite your source, Bigbob.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX
That shows the track over the ground. This next one will give you lat/long/altitude of that airplane on that flight.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX/tracklog
According to that at 5pm PT the airplane was at the location of the pushpin on this map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=33.3N+118.75W&sll=40.052597,-75.64184&sspn=0.007868,0.013711&ie=UTF8&ll=33.344296,-118.43811&spn=2.197946,3.510132&z=8&iwloc=A
Then the next night, the same flight showed up the same way at the same place. Pretty amazing, eh?
Golfer, the FAA said there was NO AIRCRAFT, and it took the pentagon SIXTY HOURS to say what aircraft it was...... How do you know the pentagon didn't put that there?
-BigBOBCH
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<Insert picture of Bagdad bob here>
"We have beaten the americans out of Iraq and are now launching missiles at their country with the subs we captured from them."
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<Insert picture of Bagdad bob here>
"We have beaten the americans out of Iraq and are now launching missiles at their country with the subs we captured from them."
<Insert picture of Bagdad bob here>
"We have beaten the Americans out of Iraq and are now launching missiles at their country with the subs we captured from them."
hold a sec, I thought the missile was moving away from land. since there no evidence of an impact in land, unless of course in happened in area 51 in which case we will never know.
which the simple way to discredit the another nation shot the missile is by just asking why would somebody else risk war with the united states, by shooting a missiel so close to our shores?. and I mean the nations that have submarines and missiles to go with them.
this conspiracy people reminds me of the creator of the "loose change" video. best proof that it was not an inside job, is that he's alive. had it been an inside job, he wouldda been right next to hoffa by now.
anyway, i live in los angeles. seeing weird looking contrails created by planes or missiles is an everyday thing.
semp
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The thing that threw me off was the fact that every time I have ever viewed a contrail magnified I could always make out more than one point of origin (engine's) of the contrail. That and the dispersal of the gasses typically starts at a given point back in the vapor trial then tapers off more and more quickly farther back and then largely dissipates.
This contrail was quite a bit different from any that I have ever seen. It also gave a distinct single tube like appearance, more in line with what one would see from a rocket motor.
Contrary to this dolt named dedalios who thinks everyone but him is an idiot, this thing was odd enough, one-off enough, to have caught a lot of peoples attention and apparently, imagination.
Glad it turned out harmless, more or less :aok
I talked to that guy Dedalios, and he said not every one is an idiot. Only the ones that could not suspect an explanation like the one golfer gave. Me on the other hand, I am with you bud. The only thing that could be is a Chinese nuke with north Korean markings, fired by a Russian sub operated by Bin Laden. It is people like Golfer that are the cause and victims of miss information :neener:
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The thing that threw me off was the fact that every time I have ever viewed a contrail magnified I could always make out more than one point of origin (engine's) of the contrail. That and the dispersal of the gasses typically starts at a given point back in the vapor trial then tapers off more and more quickly farther back and then largely dissipates.
This contrail was quite a bit different from any that I have ever seen. It also gave a distinct single tube like appearance, more in line with what one would see from a rocket motor.
Contrary to this dolt named dedalios who thinks everyone but him is an idiot, this thing was odd enough, one-off enough, to have caught a lot of peoples attention and apparently, imagination.
Glad it turned out harmless, more or less :aok
Comon, admit it. Don't you feel like a clueless dolt now? :rofl
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No. What I wanted and expected was precisely what I got. An explanation from the DoD.
Nice try though, punk :neener:
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No. What I wanted and expected was precisely what I got. An explanation from the DoD.
Nice try though, punk :neener:
hehe, uh huh ;)
How do you even know the explanation you got, was not planted in their heads by the government?
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Boy this is making a lot of noise. Simplified breakdown from a 20+ year southern-kalifornificating resident:
1) It was a slow news day. This has happened before, I guess it's been a while and nobody has remembered recently, it's that time of year (fall, the jet stream slips further south over California, and the cold Alaskan air and storms begin influencing the weather in our region) and flights from the far East and Hawaii make contrails like this fairly often.
2) I guess an advantage of living further north than most the metropolitan area... The "contrail" originated way too Westerly for it to have anything to do something originating out of Vandenburg. I can see how living south and/or east of LAX would give it a Vandenburg-originating apearance.
3) It could of been "something" going on in the very southern region of the Pt. Magu Naval Weapons and Evaluation Test Range offshore to the NW of LA, and which is a prety substantial chunk of ocean and airspace, including a couple of the Catalina Islands. The Navy (and Air Force out of Edwards, China Lake, March, and/or Vandenberg) does a lot of training and testing on that range too, much of which is never publicly mentioned or verified with exception to air space restriction advisories... one of which was indeed made and which someone on this board posted a link to... so if it was the Navy, they've already said as much on these type of things that they usualy will.
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hehe, uh huh ;)
you better lolz
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Golfer, the FAA said there was NO AIRCRAFT, and it took the pentagon SIXTY HOURS to say what aircraft it was...... How do you know the pentagon didn't put that there?
-BigBOBCH
Yeah...
Guess you really put me in my place, Sparky. Enjoy your conspiracy theory.
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Yeah...
Guess you really put me in my place, Sparky. Enjoy your conspiracy theory.
Stop covering up for the government Golfer. Wait, now that I think about it, it was probably an empty beer bottle falling from someones plane :D
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I'd be more concerned about those dang balloons from japan. I heard they released a lot of them with sensors to drop on the US coast AGAIN.
You know the so called news folks won't be quiet about it like back when they were all Americans.