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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Guppy35 on November 12, 2010, 01:53:14 AM
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It only makes sense.
(http://steveblank.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/pb4y-2_convair_privateer_vp-23_1951.jpg)
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... No wonder they're called blister guns :rofl
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Great suggestion Corky!
...and we definately need this as a companion so it won't feel lonely:
(http://www.stinsonflyer.com/consolac/pb2y-2.jpg)
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Would be an AWESOME Navy Bird to add!!! I fear some will say it didn't see action in WWII other than recon work in the Pacific.... But screw that, add it!!!
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/pb4y-2.pdf
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"I fear some will say it didn't see action in WWII other than recon work in the Pacific...."
"Some" would be very wrong to say that.
PB4Ys launched BAT glider bomb attacks during WWII and 61 of them were lost to
action. The first in Jan of '45 and the last one being shot down on Aug 11th,1945.
Heck. A PB4Y-1 even shot down an RAAF Beaufort!
Some other examples:
May 17, 1945 off Nagasaki: two VPB-109 PB4Y-2 fought off attacks by 11 Kawanishi
N1K2 Shiden-Kai from the 343th Kokutai, JNAF, shooting down two (killing both pilots).
Both PB4Y-2 were damaged with 3 crewmen injured but returned to Okinawa safely.
May 31, 1945 southern coast of Korea north of Cheju-do: two VPB-123 PB4Y-2
combined to shoot down the Ki-84 Hayate killing the command officer of the 22nd
Sentai based in Suwon. Both PB4Y-2 returned safely to base.
June 17(USN record)1945 near Kunsan: two VPB-102 PB4Y-2 shared in the downing
of a Ki-44 "Shoki" from the 85th Sentai killing the pilot. Both PB4Y-2 returned safely
to base.
July 24, 1945 north of Cheju-do: two VPB-124 PB4Y-2 combined to shoot down a
Ki-84 Hayate of the 25th Sentai based at Kunsan. The JAAF pilot was killed and
both PB4Y-2 returned safely to base.
June 4th (US time) claim for a "Jack" (J2M) shared by two VPB-102 PB4Y-2
occurred off the east coast of Japan.
Aug 3 '45 two VBP-121 PB4Y-2's attacked and shot down a pair of F1M 'Pete'
floatplanes of the Tateyama Kokutai which were trying to bomb the sub USS
Aspro, which was trying to pick up a US pilot in Tokyo Bay.
Not a lot but not bad. Certainly not just recon.
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Good request, I like it already..looks like a B24/PBY/B17 had it goin on.
As for the 2nd aircraft....looks like a guppy (no pun intended)
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Good request, I like it already..looks like a B24/PBY/B17 had it goin on.
(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3402/3coincidence550.jpg)
It is essentially a B-24. No "going on" involved. As a matter of fact, we already have the PB4Y-1 in game.
:aok
wrongway
(just nibbling)
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(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3402/3coincidence550.jpg)
It is essentially a B-24. No "going on" involved. As a matter of fact, we already have the PB4Y-1 in game.
:aok
wrongway
(just nibbling)
But it seem's like it's being used more as a deathstar
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I'd much rather have the H8K2 it is shooting at added to the game. Full protection and five 20mm cannons in turrets.
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I'd much rather have the H8K2 it is shooting at added to the game. Full protection and five 20mm cannons in turrets.
They dont seem to be active in the picture :noid
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It is essentially a B-24. No "going on" involved. As a matter of fact, we already have the PB4Y-1 in game.
Ya forgot they were all Consolidated aircraft... Didnt know that skin was meant for the PB4 though. Nice pic too, added to my collection :)
I'd much rather have the H8K2 it is shooting at added to the game. Full protection and five 20mm cannons in turrets.
Always wanted an H8K aswell, last game I was able to fly one was IIRC Pacific Fighters.
-Hijack on- http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/14/a4428614.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/14/a4428614.shtml) short story but a good quick read. -Hijack off-
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Looks like fun to me :lol
(http://www.jackfellows.com/Aviation/images/parafrag-550.jpg)
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don't let 999000 see all them guns !
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I cant tell from the first picture, but did it have any sort of lower armament such as a ventral or ball?
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Not sure flying boats are capable of mounting ventral guns. Definitely be a weak spot in the
hull.
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Not sure flying boats are capable of mounting ventral guns. Definitely be a weak spot in the
hull.
H8K2 had two 7.7mm machine guns defending the ventral position. Not great, but better than nothing. The Privateer was not a flying boat and likely has the same ball turret installation that the B-24 has.
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I cant tell from the first picture, but did it have any sort of lower armament such as a ventral or ball?
H8K2 had two 7.7mm machine guns defending the ventral position. Not great, but better than nothing. The Privateer was not a flying boat and likely has the same ball turret installation that the B-24 has.
PB4's had no ball turret.
wrongway
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Not sure flying boats are capable of mounting ventral guns. Definitely be a weak spot in the
hull.
The Catalina had a .30 ventral gun. Was in a closing hatch.
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Thanks for the info, I have to admit I'm weak on flying boats.
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The Catalina had a .30 ventral gun. Was in a closing hatch.
Hardly ever used though in reality, the ventral gunner had to "sit" on his knees the entire time he manned the ventral gun and it was too much of an uncomfortable position to be in for very long.
Here is the picture for the "tunnel gun" as the ventral gun was called on the Catalina. You can see the cushion that was used to help provide some comfort to the kneeling gunner and why it was rarely used.
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/blackcat/tunnel-gun.jpg)
This is what it looked like when the hatch was open.
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/blackcat/tunnel_gun_bottom_view.jpg)
ack-ack
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If I'm not mistaken there is one of these sitting outside at Yankee Air Museum here in Michigan.
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+1 to the privateer!
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If we had sea convoys in the game I could see more of a use for maritime patrol a/c.
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PB4Y-1 and PB4Y-2 are completely different aircraft. PB4Y-1 is a Liberator, regardless of the variant, so yes, a B-24D and a B-24J are both PB4Y-1s.
Privateers are definitely an upgraded B-24, an increase in armament of 12 twelve .50s. To eliminate the need for the ball turret, the side blisters could be depressed beyond 180 degrees to provide an overlap of fire below the aircraft. The nature of operations of the aircraft (based on the squadron histories I have) was that they operated at low levels during combat operations.
The downside is that they're slower than B-24s, with only a 236mph top speed, but could carry up to 12,800lbs of bombs versus the Lib's 8000.
+1 for Privateer.