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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on November 18, 2010, 10:12:04 AM
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Its reached the point of ridiculousness.
Example. Last night I engage a P47M with my 109F. He has alt and E advantage. I make one turn on him and end up on his 6. Now keep in mind because I had to make the turn and he more or less flew straight. He still had a significant E advantage. So what does he do?
Rather then climb up and away from me. He dives to his ack.
This is getting to be the most common mode of fighting Im seeing lately. People wander just far away enough from the feild to get you to try and fight them. then instead of actually,,you know. FIGHTING. Which is what I always thought this game was SUPPOSED to be about. They run and try to drag you into their ack. As often as not its not even because they got themselves in a bad position. But rather their entire fight strategy.
I can understand when your base is being horded. But I see this with relatively even numbers from a 1V1 co alt co E state to larger masses.
I mean. C'mon already.
So I have a suggestion. so long as a plane is gear down near his field. friendly auto ack will not harm him. As soon as a plane goes gear up. All auto ack fire. including friendly becomes live and has the potential to kill anyone it hits from either side.
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I thought it already was this way - I can recall several times when I've had my plane damaged by friendly autoack.
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or, just fly away and find another fight.
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Friendly ack can damage you IIRC.
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You were probably fighting a guy who just recently learned there is a scoring system in AH. Or, maybe the guy had his first two pelts and just wanted to land em'. Who knows. I also think it is a weak move, but there are many in here why try to fly as close as the might have, had the flown a WWII plane. So, any strategy to improve their own survivability is valid. Its a potato potatoe discussion....
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The same thing happened to me 3 or 4 times yesterday evening. It kinda sucks when they turn back on your six as soon as you break. It really is lame when the two planes involved are evenly matched. I don't mind dying, and score means nothing to me, but it does get a little aggravating to lose a fight because of the server and not the other player.
Sometimes ill just auger and re up at another field.
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So I have a suggestion. so long as a plane is gear down near his field. friendly auto ack will not harm him. As soon as a plane goes gear up. All auto ack fire. including friendly becomes live and has the potential to kill anyone it hits from either side.
Auto takeoff would be a real MFer! :old:
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The same thing happened to me 3 or 4 times yesterday evening. It kinda sucks when they turn back on your six as soon as you break. It really is lame when the two planes involved are evenly matched. I don't mind dying, and score means nothing to me, but it does get a little aggravating to lose a fight because of the server and not the other player.
Sometimes ill just auger and re up at another field.
Exactly.
and its getting kinda hard to "find another fight" when most everyone you come across anymore does the same thing
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It's funny, they wanna be a top stick and flying timid makes you worse of a stick, (running, running to ack, runnin to friendlies) people tick me off when they do this, now I have to fly speedy planes to keep with them. :furious
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Auto takeoff would be a real MFer! :old:
Good point. Leave auto takeoff mode be the same as gear down then and reduce the range that feild ack starts firing.
Another option would be for a plane upping form a field be immune to auto ack for 45 seconds after takeoff or when gear are down. that should give everyone a chance to get out of ack range even while AFK
Note Im only suggesting the auto ack. Not the manned guns. At least this way if a manned gun shoots you down then at least someone that deserves credit for the kill gets it.
Edit. Then again if your climbing out in autotakoff mode. Odds are there arent many enemy in the area and feild ack isnt firing anyway.
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Actually self poilicing would be best policy! To help enforce self policing the icon options should allow you to see EXACTLY who the enemy con is! With this knowledge most peeps who have played awhile would prefer to NOT have the shame and stay out of the ack unless landing! Noobs will run to ack! noob is as noob does!
my 2 pennies!
I've always thought if everyone knew who everyone was less dweebery would happen
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All auto ack fire. including friendly becomes live and has the potential to kill anyone it hits from either side.
As others pointed out: It's already that way. If you get hit by friendly auto & puffy ack, you get damage... or worse. I have been actually shot down by "friendly" puffy ack and been heavily damaged by friendly auto ack. It just doesn't aim for you, but it doesn't care if you get in the way.
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yup, probably one of the worst features in the game imo. . .
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Ive lost many parts from friendly CV ack while im taking off
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Friendly ack can damage you IIRC.
puffy only and its only when the auto ack is firing at the enemy in front of you
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puffy only and its only when the auto ack is firing at the enemy in front of you
friendly field acks can damage you as well.
ack-ack
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"Suggestion to deal with the ack huggers"
De-ack the field?
Would it have made a difference if he simply ran away, not into the ack?
wrongway
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Due to my plane of choices fuel consumption in the MA, when ever someone dives to ack, I just follow them and kill them, I have no problem with it because they are going to die anyways, and whats the worst that could happen? I have to replane and im back in business
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or, just fly away and find another fight.
best advice right there :aok
self policing would be bad, no one has the right to tell others how to play a game, people are going to play how they want that's just the way it is and will always be, you just have to make the best of it
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Sorry but it's true.
If you are going to fly a slow EW plane that has a ridiculous turn radius, then don't be surprised when you force your opponents into disengaging once you attain the advantage. Yeah, I know it would be great if these aircraft that you completely dominate in a turn fight would mindlessly knife fight you until getting saddled and killed, but do you really expect them to just let you kill them? :rofl
The solution, if you choose to fly the 109F4, is baiting them into thinking they can saddle you, or heck, even letting them saddle you, before initiating a reverse that will force them to get very slow. And then killing them before they can evade and escape.
Crying about the fact that a player chose to live over inevitable death is what is really riduclous.
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Man, I wish, No! I demand that enemy planes in my gunsight hold still and do nothing to save themselves before I can kill them.
There. That should really help my K/D ratio.
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Did anyone else see that poor new guy last night asking which arena dogfighting was in? The responses were as sad as what the question implied.
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Sorry but it's true.
If you are going to fly a slow EW plane that has a ridiculous turn radius, then don't be surprised when you force your opponents into disengaging once you attain the advantage. Yeah, I know it would be great if these aircraft that you completely dominate in a turn fight would mindlessly knife fight you until getting saddled and killed, but do you really expect them to just let you kill them? :rofl
The solution, if you choose to fly the 109F4, is baiting them into thinking they can saddle you, or heck, even letting them saddle you, before initiating a reverse that will force them to get very slow. And then killing them before they can evade and escape.
Crying about the fact that a player chose to live over inevitable death is what is really riduclous.
C'mon Grizz. you and I both know it wouldnt have mattered the plane I was in. I have spits do the same thing against my D9 too.
I used the 109 V 47 flight as an example of a plane that given the circumstances anyone with even a remote skill level should have been able to not only negate but turned around to their advantage.
Would YOU have run to the ack?
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A couple of the responses are funny because they make contradictory claims.
Dred, you've been playing long enough to know that timidity will always be an option to some, even if they have the advantage.
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C'mon Grizz. you and I both know it wouldnt have mattered the plane I was in. I have spits do the same thing against my D9 too.
I used the 109 V 47 flight as an example of a plane that given the circumstances anyone with even a remote skill level should have been able to not only negate but turned around to their advantage.
Would YOU have run to the ack?
D9 can catch a spit.
I would have killed you, so no, I would not have ran :)
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LOL, Grizz, I had a spit9 in FB island run straight over all the ack fields for a full sector from a Ki84 after half a turn. I broke off and as soon as engaged in the other fight that I found, he showed up on my six firing. One of the Vets too. He has been playing for at list 7 years.
The problem with the ack idea is that even though friendly ack can hurt you, it is aiming at the bad guy. So, it could not only hit a friendly by accident or if I am in it :lol
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best advice right there :aok
self policing would be bad, no one has the right to tell others how to play a game, people are going to play how they want that's just the way it is and will always be, you just have to make the best of it
Shall we make a list of changes that have been made to the game that forced people to play a different way? Or not play a certain way?
And much like ENY doesnt force you to another country. It does encourage you. What I am suggesting isnt forcing anyone. You want to fly gear down around your field, fine. you wan to go gear up. Ack wont intentionally target you just as IRL friendly fire wouldnt intentionally target you. But if you happen to be in the way when its firing at an enemy. Well then Thats on you.
If anything it would add to the realism of the game.
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friendly field acks can damage you as well.
ack-ack
i never had this happen to me :headscratch: you think if the field ack was less accurate, more deaths to ack huggers would happen?
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D9 can catch a spit.
I would have killed you, so no, I would not have ran :)
Yea if given enough distance from the feild
Bah!! youve just been extremely lucky. :rofl
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You want to fly gear down around your field, fine. you wan to go gear up. Ack wont intentionally target you just as IRL friendly fire wouldnt intentionally target you. But if you happen to be in the way when its firing at an enemy. Well then Thats on you.
You do not read the responses in this thread? :headscratch:
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ever been flamed in a zero taking off from your own CV :noid
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i never had this happen to me :headscratch: you think if the field ack was less accurate, more deaths to ack huggers would happen?
Me either. And yea I agree
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The problem with the ack idea is that even though friendly ack can hurt you, it is aiming at the bad guy. So, it could not only hit a friendly by accident or if I am in it :lol
Exactly. And as mentioned above. if friendly ack were that dangerous to friendlies. given the sheer amount of ack at the fields these days. We would and should see alot more planes getting shot down due to friendly fire.
I remember getting hot by my own ship ack exactly once in the almost 10 years I've been playing here and never from my own field ack.
Given the thousands and thousands of times I must have upped over the years. If the ack was so lethal. I should have been nailed much more often
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Yea if given enough distance from the feild
Bah!! youve just been extremely lucky. :rofl
Meh, don't fight right on top of their base. That's not fair to begin with, if that's what you are looking for.
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There is an aspect of this game that allows players brave or stupid enough to follow cons into their friendly protective field of fire whence they get shot down. As it should be.
A request to have friendlies killed by their own ack? eh...I dont care. Do whatever floats your boat. Wont stop the whining. Some of these guys piss and moan strictly because they enjoy it :rolleyes:
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Meh, don't fight right on top of their base. That's not fair to begin with, if that's what you are looking for.
Where most of your fights fought Grizz?
Your like me. You go where the fight is. Sometimes its over our own bases. sometimes theirs. Sometimes inbetween.
I've seen you with equal frequency at all those places.
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Where most of your fights fought Grizz?
Your like me. You go where the fight is. Sometimes its over our own bases. sometimes theirs. Sometimes inbetween.
I've seen you with equal frequency at all those places.
LOL. Of course I do, heck I usually fight my way to the base then circle as my prey hide in their ack. I don't cry about it though.
Like I said, if you are looking for a fair fight, then don't fight right on top of their base to begin with. I'm not looking for fair fights in the MA.
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1. This sounds like an issue of perception to me. I know it happens, but with a lot of problems people complain about, I think it's a matter of thinking it a problem, so one only perceives it when it happens and ignores the other fights.
2. Similar to grizz's point, this is the MA, don't assume everyone is going to play your way. Heck, I hate it when someone chases our bombers 100 miles into friendly territory just to try and get a vulch on landing, I think that's lame, but it happens, we deal with it and continue to have fun.
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I hate it when someone chases our bombers 100 miles into friendly territory just to try and get a vulch on landing.
That's a great move! had it happen to me recently and the guy came on private afterward and tried to apologize. I told him "great move, I would have done the same thing."
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I don't understand this thread. At first I thought the OP was asking for the auto ack to deliberately target friendlies who don't have their gear down, which is ridiculous. The standard military approach, which I always use for landing, has you come in right over the field at high speed and then kill your E in a tight break turn, then drop your gear. But the OP is apparently asking for the auto ack to accidentally hit friendlies in the process of targeting enemies. Yet multiple people have repeatedly mentioned that it already does that now. I can confirm that: I've even had my GV hit on an airfield by my own autoack as it targeted an enemy plane and I've been blown up by my own CV puffy ack while trailing an enemy it was targeting.
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If they run to ack, then i'll de-ack the field so there is nowhere to hide. :aok
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i never had this happen to me :headscratch: you think if the field ack was less accurate, more deaths to ack huggers would happen?
It probably happens with the same frequency as friendly puffy ack deaths.
ack-ack
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Well we know how I feel about it.... see Cartoon #12 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,300275.0.html).
As for what can be done, I'm thinking nothing. It's much the same as some guy bombing the FH's just to kill a furball. It's how some people want to play. Sadly I don't see a solution. While I'd love to see the community ridicule people who run to ack, or go out of their way to end furballs and GV battles, I also see it as being a bit over the top.
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baiting them into thinking they can saddle you, or heck, even letting them saddle you, before initiating a reverse that will force them to get very slow. And then killing them before they can evade and escape.
Kappa, Del and Soulys have this down to an artform. When I know its them that Im chasing, they tease me like a drunk prom queen then shut me down like a virgin cheerleader :cry
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It probably happens with the same frequency as friendly puffy ack deaths.
ack-ack
not really. ive noticed the puffy blocks are easier. ive never been pinged by my own base ack
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Another "make it easier for me to kill you" thread. :lol
If you want a kill...earn it.
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Another "make it easier for me to kill you" thread. :lol
If you want a kill...earn it.
More then willing to earn it. All Im asking is that you do the same. Earn it.
And it has nothing to do with making it easier to kill you. Reread the situation in the OP. the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.
Im not expecting for anyone to make it easy for me. Just that they be willing to fight for their kill as well. How exactly is getting a kill by proxy, "earning" it?
Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.
The only benifit a player should get from auto ack based proxies is that there are that many less planes near their airfeild.
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Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.
In my experience, my very best encounters are those where no one actually fires a shot and the winner is determined by who augers first.
I hate ack-runners too, but even I recognize that if you follow the guy into his ack you ought not to complain about whatever happens next.
- oldman
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More then willing to earn it. All Im asking is that you do the same. Earn it.
And it has nothing to do with making it easier to kill you. Reread the situation in the OP. the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.
In essence, he did regain the advantage... by running to his ack. He regained the advantage his way, not your way.
Im not expecting for anyone to make it easy for me. Just that they be willing to fight for their kill as well. How exactly is getting a kill by proxy, "earning" it?
Its why I say that at the very least, proxies should not count toward score or ranking in any way shape or form. A kill by proxy is not an earned kill and should not be rewarded as such.
So if I'm chasing a Mustang around on the deck in a Yak with no ammo and he augers, I never shot him, I don't deserve it?
If I'm in a Kate being chased around by a 109 and he augers, I don't deserve credit for the kill?
The only benifit a player should get from auto ack based proxies is that there are that many less planes near their airfeild.
I've been killed plenty of times hiding in my ack. It is possible.
If you really wanted to fight him, you would have dove into the ack and killed him. Obviously you were being timid as the advantage wasn't with you. ;)
As for getting shot down by your own ack, the instances that come to mind and seem most like what you are thinking took place during Operation Bodenplatte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodenplatte). More than a few Allied aircraft were shot down or hit by friendly, light caliber AAA. However, it was either a case of mistaken identity, AAA gunners shooting at anything that flew over the field, shoot first, ask later, or, AAA gunners shooting at an enemy aircraft over the field being pursued by a friendly aircraft and not shooting with enough lead and subsequently hitting the pursuing, friendly aircraft.
Now, if you want indiscriminate AAA fire over a friendly field, not only is a friendly more likely to be hit, an enemy is more likely to be missed.
The auto-gunners are much more disciplined than that.
wrongway
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Only time I run to ack is just to land my kills I was RTBing with. I have seen countless people run to ack in the middle of a fight... So I started taking flak rockets with me sometimes.
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While I'd love to see the community ridicule people who run to ack, or go out of their way to end furballs and GV battles...
Yes! I just LOVE 200 and PM insults thrown by misguided individuals. We need MORE of that! It will be a great way to attract new players to the game too.
:rolleyes:
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the opponent should have been able to easily regain the advantage had he just decided to fight instead of hide in his ack.
Can you really blame the guy? Maybe he is just a casual player that has no interest in becoming a toon god and mastering the art of acm. Maybe he just likes flying airplanes around a couple nights a week with his friends, recording a couple kills, and trying not to get blown to smithereens. Over analyzing his flying is absurd, since he probably didn't care enough to know what he was even doing in the first place.
This thread is a joke.
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I happen to LOVE dragging dolts through ack. Funny as hell. I love chasing peeps through the ack as well.
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Can you really blame the guy? Maybe he is just a casual player that has no interest in becoming a toon god and mastering the art of acm. Maybe he just likes flying airplanes around a couple nights a week with his friends, recording a couple kills, and trying not to get blown to smithereens. Over analyzing his flying is absurd, since he probably didn't care enough to know what he was even doing in the first place.
This thread is a joke.
I disagree and its a legit thread.
What Dred points out is not about the one or two guys doing this. I notice its been the norm here lately to the fact that I ask how come I didnt get memo on this.
Certain players have a reputation for never leaving the dar ring and hanging around their feild at 20k. Can be lame to some, but there is respect on my end that its how they like to play their game, so more power to em.
On the same note, If I'm dancing around an enemy feild at 8k waiting to pounce on victims, I would never expect everyone that ups to leave their ack. I sure wouldnt until I get decent alt to at least move around.
Ive encountered many times guys who have an alt advantage, make one failed BnZ attempt then nose down to head off the map as quick as they could or off to gain an EXTREME #s advantage. Are we really going to classify this as "smart" flying? Not in my oppinion. I certainly wont whine about it, Ill make the choice to counter or not but I just earned the right to laugh at you.
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In my experience, my very best encounters are those where no one actually fires a shot and the winner is determined by who augers first.
I hate ack-runners too, but even I recognize that if you follow the guy into his ack you ought not to complain about whatever happens next.
- oldman
Different situation. And Ive commented on exactly that in another thread some time back. And yes in THAT situation I'd agree you've earned the kill.
But not with the autoack proxie.
When I follow a con into his own ack. Its normally out of frustration and disgust over the practice. Normally unless Im trying to help with a base capture/suppression attempt I try to stay far enough from the feild where it isnt an issue. If Im within ack range and get hit by ack. .Such as is usually the case when a CV is involved for example. Ok my bad, whatever happens happens. But I still dont see how someone has earned that kill.
I know I've gotten proxies on people whom autoack has killed that I didnt even know were there let alone engaged. I dont see why I or anyone should be awarded a kill for that.
Lastly, We have some people who's only tactic seems to be to flirt around just outside of ack range and then run to ack whenever an enemy appears regardless of advantage. Now if someone wants to play that way. Perhaps even for the reasons that Grizz gives. Fine. But I dont see why such behavior even if condoned should be rewarded. That isnt what the game, or the spirit of the game is supposed to be about.
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Ive encountered many times guys who have an alt advantage, make one failed BnZ attempt then nose down to head off the map as quick as they could or off to gain an EXTREME #s advantage. Are we really going to classify this as "smart" flying? Not in my oppinion. I certainly wont whine about it, Ill make the choice to counter or not but I just earned the right to laugh at you.
I never said it was 'smart' flying. In fact it is very poor flying, but they are not very skilled and probably don't care about becoming skilled so who really cares what they do? I'd rather have them in the game than not.
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I'd rather have them in the game than not.
+1
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I'd rather have them in the game than not.
This should be added to the Grizzology 10 commandments. +2
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But I dont see why such behavior even if condoned should be rewarded. That isnt what the game, or the spirit of the game is supposed to be about.
What is the reward? Score? We all know score does not mean anything, or does it now?
The spirit of the game is what one wishes it to be. I seriously doubt we would all agree on what that should be.
Fred
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Its reached the point of ridiculousness.
Example. Last night I engage a P47M with my 109F. He has alt and E advantage. I make one turn on him and end up on his 6. Now keep in mind because I had to make the turn and he more or less flew straight. He still had a significant E advantage. So what does he do?
Rather then climb up and away from me. He dives to his ack.
This is getting to be the most common mode of fighting Im seeing lately. People wander just far away enough from the feild to get you to try and fight them. then instead of actually,,you know. FIGHTING. Which is what I always thought this game was SUPPOSED to be about. They run and try to drag you into their ack. As often as not its not even because they got themselves in a bad position. But rather their entire fight strategy.
I can understand when your base is being horded. But I see this with relatively even numbers from a 1V1 co alt co E state to larger masses.
I mean. C'mon already.
So I have a suggestion. so long as a plane is gear down near his field. friendly auto ack will not harm him. As soon as a plane goes gear up. All auto ack fire. including friendly becomes live and has the potential to kill anyone it hits from either side.
Just so I understand this you wish to make friendly ack NOT hit someone when the gear is down? Because ack already does hit friendlies.
HiTech
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:rofl
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I've been killed by my own ack while trying to take off at a capped base.
Just about the time your going to lift splat.
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I have been chasing people and the angle that I followed them into the ack it works as a human shield and their own ack killed them for me
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I can't say that I have ever been killed by my own base ack in this game. I've got my engine shot out a few times but that's about it.
Puffy though? More times than I can count.
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Its simple, give them your 6 get them far from the ack reverse them kill them. At the end of the day they want the same thing as you, a kill. They just want it in a lame way. If you don't play ball with them they will follow you out and you will kill them. Flying through the ack is just dumb no matter how much you want the kill. :salute
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Certain plane types---it's a better than fair bet they're gonna ho and run away/to ack---P47M..D9..a few others are the most common. I see that starting up, I don't even bother looking their way again. You'll not see them again unless they have a clear advantage in numbers/alt. Spit 8's/9's...F4u1's...quite a different story
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I can't say that I have ever been killed by my own base ack in this game. I've got my engine shot out a few times but that's about it.
Puffy though? More times than I can count.
Got killed by a nice, sweet 1,500 yard shot from friendly ack last night. Actually watched the two tracers come at me as I was diving on some Corsair hell bent on taking out the last fighter hanger. First round appeared to hit the Corsair in front of me, the 2nd tracer passed by the Corsair where the Corsair's port wing used to be and then watched in curious fascination as the tracer came up and hit me smack in the nose, flew for about .5 seconds before my Lightning blew up and I was a victim of blue on blue fratricide.
ack-ack
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You were probably fighting a guy who just recently learned there is a scoring system in AH.
:lol
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Last night I was running down a member from a "elite fighter squad" and he headed to a friendly field to hide in the ack. The field had just been deacked and all of it was down.... freaking hilarious.
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Last night I was running down a member from a "elite fighter squad" and he headed to a friendly field to hide in the ack. The field had just been deacked and all of it was down.... freaking hilarious.
Hehe those are the fun ones. Had a situation similiar but the guy didn't know that his base had switched possession during our fight and ran to what he thought the safety of his acks only to be shot down. We both had a good laugh at it, especially when I tried to land about 20 minutes later and the base was recaptured by the other side and I got killed by acks as I rolled to a stop.
ack-ack
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Yes! I just LOVE 200 and PM insults thrown by misguided individuals. We need MORE of that! It will be a great way to attract new players to the game too.
:rolleyes:
Years ago this was the biggest deterrent to dweebery. New players learned fast that it was NOT acceptable behavior to HO, to gang, and so on. A person who dropped his troops on the field got a good dose of ridicule, but he also NEVER dropped his troops on a field again.
Of course back then the community did these things with a bit less "acid" in their comments, it was all in fun. Today we have too many "internet tough guys" with the express purpose of doing nothing more than being an irritant and pissing people off.
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I love it when I face a higher performance AC engaged on me to find out that I am no ordinary P-47D-25 flyer. They either run away, HO, or head to field/town/CV, or ww ack for cover.
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Different situation. And Ive commented on exactly that in another thread some time back. And yes in THAT situation I'd agree you've earned the kill.
But not with the autoack proxie.
When I follow a con into his own ack. Its normally out of frustration and disgust over the practice. Normally unless Im trying to help with a base capture/suppression attempt I try to stay far enough from the feild where it isnt an issue. If Im within ack range and get hit by ack. .Such as is usually the case when a CV is involved for example. Ok my bad, whatever happens happens. But I still dont see how someone has earned that kill.
I know I've gotten proxies on people whom autoack has killed that I didnt even know were there let alone engaged. I dont see why I or anyone should be awarded a kill for that.
Lastly, We have some people who's only tactic seems to be to flirt around just outside of ack range and then run to ack whenever an enemy appears regardless of advantage. Now if someone wants to play that way. Perhaps even for the reasons that Grizz gives. Fine. But I dont see why such behavior even if condoned should be rewarded. That isnt what the game, or the spirit of the game is supposed to be about.
Tell you what, you write the COAD that will determine if a proxy is socially acceptable or not.
And if it ever makes a mistake we'll make you drink beer out of Nate's shoe.
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Got killed by a nice, sweet 1,500 yard shot from friendly ack last night. Actually watched the two tracers come at me as I was diving on some Corsair hell bent on taking out the last fighter hanger. First round appeared to hit the Corsair in front of me, the 2nd tracer passed by the Corsair where the Corsair's port wing used to be and then watched in curious fascination as the tracer came up and hit me smack in the nose, flew for about .5 seconds before my Lightning blew up and I was a victim of blue on blue fratricide.
ack-ack
Must be a bomber thing then because I honestly have never knowingly been killed by it.
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Must be a bomber thing then because I honestly have never knowingly been killed by it.
In my experience, it's a very rare occurance but it can and does happen.
ack-ack
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In my experience, it's a very rare occurance but it can and does happen.
ack-ack
I don't doubt it, since I have been damaged by the ack before when upping from a capped field but I think the most damage I ever got was a dead engine.
Friendly puffy is incredibly more lethal in my experience.
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What is the reward? Score? We all know score does not mean anything, or does it now?
The spirit of the game is what one wishes it to be. I seriously doubt we would all agree on what that should be.
Fred
Score means nothing to me. but it does To those that want to attribute too much to their score and ranking.
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Just so I understand this you wish to make friendly ack NOT hit someone when the gear is down? Because ack already does hit friendlies.
HiTech
Ok to clarify.
In literally what must be thousands of sorties. I dont recall one time ever being hit by my own feild ack. And thats in spite flying into it on a landing, taking off from a base with the ack going off like something out of an NYC 4th of July grand finale fireworks display.
I had presumed that inasmuch as It has not to the best of my knowledge I have never been shot down by my own ack, Nor do I recall every personally witnessing it myself on other aircraft. That field auto ack did not hit and or damage friendly aircraft.
I figured that with all that virtual lead flying about that as someone else mentioned. Deaths by friendly fire would be far far more common then we have currently witnessed just through the sheer proverbial "law of averages." Just seems like alot of lead to be flying around for nobody to ever seemingly get hit by it.
I've never been afraid of my own base ack, Even if it was coming over my shoulder as we were both going after the same target.
That was my presumption and the basis of why I made my request
You say that base ack already hits friendlies. So it must. Im just saying that in the time I've been here I do not recall ever seeing it happen first hand.
Whatever the case may be. I would just like to see folks not making a career out of running home to mamma auto ack and hiding there as opposed to actually fighting or at least not receiving any benefit from such activity such as by way of proxie.
To be noted is that although based on what I thought was the case in regard to auto ack. There is nothing in my suggestion to suggest any protection for myself should I be stupid or get frustrated enough to follow someone to their ack.
If I get shot down by their auto ack. Thats still on me.
All I am looking for is something to encourage them to fight and not simply hide ,hoping to collect freebies.
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All I am looking for is something to encourage them to fight and not simply hide ,hoping to collect freebies.
i'm pretty sure someone already mentioned it, but if you don't follow them into the ack, theres no freebie to be had.
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i'm pretty sure someone already mentioned it, but if you don't follow them into the ack, theres no freebie to be had.
Ok,
Let me give you an not so untypical occurrence. I merge with an enemy aircraft he runs to his base and into his auto ack.
I turn away refusing to follow him in. He comes back out, I turn to fight him again and again he runs back to his ack.
Rinse repeat.
And Im not talking about an event where Im at a massive advantage. I can almost understand that. Im talking this happens co alt/co E and with the other guy with the advantage too.
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Just so I understand this you wish to make friendly ack NOT hit someone when the gear is down? Because ack already does hit friendlies.
HiTech
Oh, I've had the pleasure of being shot down by my own base ack. But I do have a question for you. When it come to puffy ack. Does the imaginary box that constrains the target area grow larger as the target itself retreats or moves away from the gun or does it stay a constant size regardless of distance? I wonder because it would seem like you would want to do that so there is more "Area" for the randomly placed shot be located. This would better simulate inaccuracies in longer distance shots. But hey you may already be doing this.
RealDeal
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Let me give you an not so untypical occurrence. I merge with an enemy aircraft he runs to his base and into his auto ack.
I turn away refusing to follow him in. He comes back out, I turn to fight him again and again he runs back to his ack.
Rinse repeat.
And Im not talking about an event where Im at a massive advantage. I can almost understand that. Im talking this happens co alt/co E and with the other guy with the advantage too.
I'm pretty sure most players would not retreat to ack if they were convinced they had an advantage. Everybody wants to get kills...
However, the majority of players are pretty new and/or unexperienced and have troubles to correctly judge a tactical situation. Some are pressing when they better should disengage... but not because they are bold. And some disengage when they should press the attack, but aren't necessarily timit.
When I was new, I was objectively taking significantly less risks than I do now. But my perceived risk level was always about the same. I just can judge my chances better, have a better knowledge of my planes capabilities and what to expect from my enemy. I may retreat much less these days (but of course I still do, I don't claim to be a bold pilot), but all in all the risks I take are still the same.
And finally: To me, ack is just another item in my tactical tool box. I prefer killing the enemy "by hand", but if necessary, I use it to my advantage.
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Do we not play online for the dynamics, the uncertainty of what the next guy is going to do, I like the fact you never know what the combatant is going to pull next, why should we regulate every one into a particular mode of play?
To be totally honest I wish HiTech would turn on friendly collisions, and friendly fire, I know this won't happen but the humor and whine from such would be infinite.
HL
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Ok,
Let me give you an not so untypical occurrence. I merge with an enemy aircraft he runs to his base and into his auto ack.
I turn away refusing to follow him in. He comes back out, I turn to fight him again and again he runs back to his ack.
Rinse repeat.
And Im not talking about an event where Im at a massive advantage. I can almost understand that. Im talking this happens co alt/co E and with the other guy with the advantage too.
you forgot the simple word p-u-s-s-y. That word shouldn't be challenged, its in the dictionary. One sec, ill get the exact definition.
slang chiefly ( US ) an ineffectual or timid person
If I get skuzzified, I'll break out webster. Its right there for all too see.
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... really? I can find many other words in the dictionary, and their definitions, but still can't type them on here! Did you actually think that would work?
For example: toejam
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Do we not play online for the dynamics, the uncertainty of what the next guy is going to do, I like the fact you never know what the combatant is going to pull next, why should we regulate every one into a particular mode of play?
To be totally honest I wish HiTech would turn on friendly collisions, and friendly fire, I know this won't happen but the humor and whine from such would be infinite.
HL
Accepting that friendly auto ack can hit friendlies as fact. That is exactly why it is surprises me that more friendlies arent shot down by it. Because of the uncertainty of what the human element will do next.
On second thought though. It is probably better that auto ack isnt more lethal to friendlies. Or all one side would have to do is park a bunch of vehicles to the side of the field , close enough to draw fire yet under cover. and that would be enough to prevent anyone from upping. So maybe in hindsight my idea isnt such a good one after all.
There is very good reason why friendly fire isnt turned on.
I dont know if you played Airwarrior or not. But FF was on there. And what would happen is some jacknut would switch sides. then park on the runway and just shoot anything that upped.
You can experience both though in FSO where both are turned on.
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Accepting that friendly auto ack can hit friendlies as fact. That is exactly why it is surprises me that more friendlies arent shot down by it. Because of the uncertainty of what the human element will do next.
The dynamic that you are failing to account for, and the reason for real-life friendy fire incidents, is the fact that friendly AAA isn't aiming at the friendly aircraft.
Almost every incident of blue on blue AAA fire I have seen is due to misidentification.
wrongway
wrongway
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The dynamic that you are failing to account for, and the reason for real-life friendy fire incidents, is the fact that friendly AAA isn't aiming at the friendly aircraft.
Almost every incident of blue on blue AAA fire I have seen is due to misidentification.
wrongway
wrongway
I think your missing the point of my comment.
Ok we can use kill shooters as an example. I think we've all fallen prey to the kill shooter. You can have perfect SA and because of the unpredictability of humans. You can and will occasionally still end up with a killshooter because someone suddenly flew into the path of your bullets.
Same thing with auto ack. Which is why it surprises me that more people arent downed by their own auto ack. I know I've flown through my own ack while it was firing at enemy planes and never given it a second thought