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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bagrat on November 19, 2010, 12:36:31 AM
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Ok sometimes I like to ride my bike when I'm traveling short distances or just for exercise, but it seems almost once a week somebodies loose dog ends up chasing me or trying to bite me. One time I called animal control, but the dogs were gone by time they arrived. Another time I was riding my bike and a dog came running at me from between some parked cars. I got some distance and watched it just sitting in the driveway, I went to the front door to talk to the people but they never answered the door, instead I hear them on the side of the house quickly open the garage door and let the dog in. The third time I got chased by a Rottweiler and got away. I asked a lady walking up the street if she knew who's dog it was and she replied "I'm not sure but they let there dog run loose often, so I just avoid that area". I say "thats BS! people shouldn't have to avoid a street because some jag bag let's there dog run wild whenever."
So what would you do?
oh and I've gone alternate routes to avoid dogs and I don't think I should really have to drive my car just because people let dogs run wild.
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Well that depends, I see three options:
1) The legal way, slow, but keeps you out of trouble.
2) The middle ground, keep the dogs off of you, but you might be skirting the law.
3) Probable jail time, but the dog won't bother you.
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if I beat it or kill it off the owners property, as these dogs who attack me are. you think that's still possible animal cruelty?
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i mean i love dogs etc but, i say if its off their property and attacking you, you have every right to defend yourself.
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Pepper spray one time and they wont bother you again
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Pepper spray one time and they wont bother you again
pepper spray just make some dogs even angrier, assuming you can get to it on time. I suggest filing a complain with the police every time or animal control as a nuisance animal. you shouldn't have to be afraid to bike. I don't like dogs, but I hate even more so called "animal lovers" who don't take care of their pets. visit from the policy or animal control usually makes them more careful.
semp
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i got bit by a three legged bull dog once, i was stood talking to someone it hobbled past turn round and gave me a proper bite blood and all :old:
Thing could move though when being chased by a hobbling bloke with a big stick :old:
true story for once :old:
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Motorbike + sabre. :devil
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I'm an out and out, unrepentant dog lover - but you're right to be upset, and they're wrong to treat the animal the way they do. (As in leaving it unrestrained and untrained.) In my view, by not training their dog to interact appropriately with other humans in a human world, they're doing "animal cruelty" themselves.
What you're seeing is a territorial dominance behavior, and it is potentially dangerous. Each time someone rides through the area, to the dog it looks as if it has successfully threatened and chased off a challenger. Since this dog has not learned to defer to humans, if challenged too much it could become violent.
At the minimum I'd call animal control each time it happens. Make a cell phone video when possible, again each time. If the video is dramatic enough, and if you "play" the report right (Gosh, officer, I love a dog as much as anyone, but this guy is really scary. I'd hate to think what might happen to some poor old lady who can't walk fast enough to be safe...), the problem should be solved promptly.
A hundred years ago, they actually sold "bicycle guns" which were sub- Saturday night special pistols for dealing with dogs like this. Now, you would be hung out to dry unless you could show you had severe bodily harm.
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Motorbike + sabre. :devil
Or maybe Ben-Hur spikes on the wheels?
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if I beat it or kill it off the owners property, as these dogs who attack me are. you think that's still possible animal cruelty?
Its self defense. If the dog attacks you, no matter where you are (unless your trespassing) it will be self defense. Kill the dog (if you have to), he wont attack you again.
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Airsoft gas blow back. Wont kill it or injure it if you get it in the eye but it's a good deterrent both for dogs and unruly teenagers :D
And I love dogs too. Probably going to pick up a rescue Llewellin this weekend.
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Ok sometimes I like to ride my bike when I'm traveling short distances or just for exercise, but it seems almost once a week somebodies loose dog ends up chasing me or trying to bite me. One time I called animal control, but the dogs were gone by time they arrived. Another time I was riding my bike and a dog came running at me from between some parked cars. I got some distance and watched it just sitting in the driveway, I went to the front door to talk to the people but they never answered the door, instead I hear them on the side of the house quickly open the garage door and let the dog in. The third time I got chased by a Rottweiler and got away. I asked a lady walking up the street if she knew who's dog it was and she replied "I'm not sure but they let there dog run loose often, so I just avoid that area". I say "thats BS! people shouldn't have to avoid a street because some jag bag let's there dog run wild whenever."
So what would you do?
oh and I've gone alternate routes to avoid dogs and I don't think I should really have to drive my car just because people let dogs run wild.
video. they make glasses with cameras in them. or cameras you can wear on your person. record everything to back your statements...such as the one where they let the dog in.
then call the police, rather than anmal control. excagerate. act as if you're scared out of your pants, and this isn't the first time.
you're staying well within the laws this way,. and you'll get better responses.
squeaky wheel gets the attention.
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pepper spray just make some dogs even angrier, assuming you can get to it on time. I suggest filing a complain with the police every time or animal control as a nuisance animal. you shouldn't have to be afraid to bike. I don't like dogs, but I hate even more so called "animal lovers" who don't take care of their pets. visit from the policy or animal control usually makes them more careful.
semp
Call the dog catcher and give them the address of the folks who let the dog in. If there is a complaint they can take the dog in many places.
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Yeah I dig animals, but if attacked me, it dies. End of story.
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Maybe bring a couple of dog biscuits and when they hear you coming it will be the dinner bell not the prey to chase?
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Tazer
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Call 9-1-1 each and every time.
Seriously. You have no idea what would happen if that dog catches you; either you are injured or are forced to injure or kill the dog. It's an immediate threat to you and possible threat to other people. It's a threat to traffic - either it gets hit and dies or someone swerves to avoid it and has an accident possibly killing someone.
I'm a dog lover, and own a fabulous little 16 pound dog that is always under my control and never off-leash except at the dog park. If people own dogs and don't care for them properly, they should not own dogs - ever.
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"So what would you do? "
Bring a fiberglass rod about 4' long and beat the snot out of the animal that attacks
you. Light weight & easy to mount on a bike.
Had to do that when I delivered papers many moons ago. Used the shorten remains of
my kid brothers bicycle safety-flag. One or two hits on the face and they usually backed
off real fast. They'd ignore a swinging foot as it was too soft. But this would hurt and
well, tough sh&t, the dog shouldn't be attacking me.
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Your big enough to protect yourself..... think if a small child came by.......
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Reiner has sorted this problem out ask him :x
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I'm an out and out, unrepentant dog lover - but you're right to be upset, and they're wrong to treat the animal the way they do. (As in leaving it unrestrained and untrained.) In my view, by not training their dog to interact appropriately with other humans in a human world, they're doing "animal cruelty" themselves.
What you're seeing is a territorial dominance behavior, and it is potentially dangerous. Each time someone rides through the area, to the dog it looks as if it has successfully threatened and chased off a challenger. Since this dog has not learned to defer to humans, if challenged too much it could become violent.
At the minimum I'd call animal control each time it happens. Make a cell phone video when possible, again each time. If the video is dramatic enough, and if you "play" the report right (Gosh, officer, I love a dog as much as anyone, but this guy is really scary. I'd hate to think what might happen to some poor old lady who can't walk fast enough to be safe...), the problem should be solved promptly.
A hundred years ago, they actually sold "bicycle guns" which were sub- Saturday night special pistols for dealing with dogs like this. Now, you would be hung out to dry unless you could show you had severe bodily harm.
I'm with Silmaril on this, I'm an absolute dog lover, but I don't care at all for many of the owners. That is plain and simple negligent ownership. The owner is as responsible to the dog as the dog is to the owner, and just letting it run wild is setting it up to be killed, by accident or by law.
However, I have the solution to your problem. Cold Steel makes them, they're non lethal and legal everywhere, very light and easy to carry, even on a bike (you could pretty easily rig something where you had quick easy access but didn't have to actually carry it in your hand), and it probably the most painful thing anyone could experience being hit by. It's called a Sjambok, you can get them and have them shipped to you for about 20 bucks total, and they're nigh indestructible. http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-Sjambok-42-Black/dp/B001NQ1WDE
Look them up and read about them a bit, they're you answer for sure. I'd get the 36 inch one for your needs. Here's a little bit of info to get you started. http://www.righteouswarriortemple.org/New%20Folder/sjmbk.htm
One of my best friends was messing around a few weeks ago and got accidentally hit in the shoulder by a near full strength swing. He fell to his knees and actually cried. It bruised his entire arm/shoulder area for 3 weeks, but they are non lethal. Exactly what you need.
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hey thanks everybody, I had a general idea of what I needed to do but decided I would ask around before taking any sort of action which may cause harm to the animal. We live in a world it seems where most anybody could get sued for anything and the last thing I wanted is to be a victim of that for some reason like "well you striked the animal before it bit you" or "there is no teeth marks proving it attacked you so you were in the wrong". Anyways thanks again for everybody's advice! I will continue to call animal control next time a dog is running loose at and am trying to rig something so I can mount my 20oz aluminum baseball bat on my bike.
I wish I would have called the police on that loose Rottweiler though, I imagine if an officer had shown up he may of attempted to approach the owners front door and as soon as that loose rottweiler would of came out running, well the owners would definitely think twice before ever letting that huge dog run loose again to say the least.
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Run fast
-BigBOBCH
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Run fast
-BigBOBCH
No.
Running from a dog can trigger a dog to attack you that wouldn't have otherwise even. You do not run from a predatory animal, which a dog is. Only one thing runs from predators, and you sure don't want to be that. If you take off running, the dog's first instinct is going to be "get it" and they are much faster and have much more endurance than you do.
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No.
Running from a dog can trigger a dog to attack you that wouldn't have otherwise even. You do not run from a predatory animal, which a dog is. Only one thing runs from predators, and you sure don't want to be that. If you take off running, the dog's first instinct is going to be "get it" and they are much faster and have much more endurance than you do.
Lol I guess the dog that tried to attack me didn't know that, I punched it in the head, it ran from me, I chased it down caught it, jumped on it, held its head down and bit it on the side of its neck.....lol it never Came within 30 feet of me after that....dogs have one weapon, teeth, we on the otherhand have many weapons to fight one off, shove your fist down its throat...put one ARM around its neck, the other under its jaw and break its neck....that bat will do the trick also, don't feel bad about hurting that dog, do what needs to be done before it really hurts someone that can't defend against it.
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Lol I guess the dog that tried to attack me didn't know that, I punched it in the head, it ran from me, I chased it down caught it, jumped on it, held its head down and bit it on the side of its neck.....lol it never Came within 30 feet of me after that....dogs have one weapon, teeth, we on the otherhand have many weapons to fight one off, shove your fist down its throat...put one ARM around its neck, the other under its jaw and break its neck....that bat will do the trick also, don't feel bad about hurting that dog, do what needs to be done before it really hurts someone that can't defend against it.
Well see, that only goes if you're running from it. If you're showing aggression, with a person's larger size, the shoe would suddenly be on the other foot, as it were. Holding it down and biting its neck is exactly what a more dominant dog would have done to it by the way. It's actually not hard at all to put even a very large and strong dog down on its side flat on the ground. Like you pointed out, they can pretty much only attack one way. In just about every single case a person can turn the situation around on a dog without actually injuring the dog. That is why I think the sjambok is such a perfect tool. If you don't know how to handle a large and aggressive dog safely, the sjambok will make it want to have nothing at all to do with you, will hurt it badly, for a short time, but won't injure it. It's light, easy to carry, and easy to use, even for a stone novice. Best of all possible worlds.
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If you know the dog almost certainly will chase you in that street, how about calling the police and explain this problem as best you can. Then ask them if it is possible that if they have a car in that area one day they can follow you on your bicycle into that street and observe for themselves..
Surely it will not help the owners if they try to hide their dog in the garage again if the police gets first hand witness to this dogs behaviour..
That's what I would do anyway, but I live in Norway and the police might act different here from what they might do over there. Guess they have alot more important things to tend to over there than 'escort' you on your bike. But if they had a patrol close by anyway I can't see why they would not pack away their donuts for a 5min cruise to observe this dog. :salute
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First, check with the local laws and know your "rights within the law". Secondly, assuming you can not carry a firearm with you I highly suggest some nasty pepper spray meant for k-9's. Do not take a stick with you unless you WANT to stop and engage the dogs. Otherwise.... chose a different route. :)
Good luck.
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Ok sometimes I like to ride my bike when I'm traveling short distances or just for exercise, but it seems almost once a week somebodies loose dog ends up chasing me or trying to bite me. One time I called animal control, but the dogs were gone by time they arrived. Another time I was riding my bike and a dog came running at me from between some parked cars. I got some distance and watched it just sitting in the driveway, I went to the front door to talk to the people but they never answered the door, instead I hear them on the side of the house quickly open the garage door and let the dog in. The third time I got chased by a Rottweiler and got away. I asked a lady walking up the street if she knew who's dog it was and she replied "I'm not sure but they let there dog run loose often, so I just avoid that area". I say "thats BS! people shouldn't have to avoid a street because some jag bag let's there dog run wild whenever."
So what would you do?
oh and I've gone alternate routes to avoid dogs and I don't think I should really have to drive my car just because people let dogs run wild.
So you got bit?
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I was walking my dog today, and out of nowhere came this stray Chow. He took one look at us and charged, teeth showing, growling like some kinda hell dog. Bad career move for him. My dog bit him in the neck and would not let go. I was literally holding his back legs off the ground trying to get him to release, but it took a good minute or so. It reminded me of the mark twain short story about his fighting dog that would never let go. The other dog was big too, I'd say at least 90 pounds. My dogs only a year and a half Pit-bull mix who's had valley fever for the last 6 months so he's real skinny.
My dog is up to date with all his shots, but we still took him to the vet just in case. I'm not sure what happened to the other dog, but he was bleeding pretty bad and hobbled off. If I didn't have my dog with me, who knows how bad i would've be bit. From now on I'm taking a key chain mace can just in case.