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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: groundfeeder on November 20, 2010, 09:31:06 AM
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OK, this is gettin ridiculous...........dar was at 65 ft everywhere with rings of death.......changed it back to 65ft in small rings and upped deck to 500 ft outside operating radar, now back to 65ft everywhere....what gives??? Maybe you can take some more fun out of the game....oooooh i got it, add a few hundred more ack!!! oh why not 2 more hangers at all bases.
All that can take a base now is the horde, gettin sick of this crap. I like NOE raids, and dint get on the deadhorse band wagon about afraid to fight, your just afraid to get a base taken.
Wanna furball all the time go to DA and shut up! With the hordes coming in you cant even defend anymore. I dont care about scores, but with 20+ aircraft circling above, i don't wanna up and get killed on the runway all the time!
This game is beginning to verge on stink
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htc cant win stop one fool from crying another starts
kinda like putting sandbags on a cracked dam
relax dude this is a game :aok
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All that can take a base now is the horde, gettin sick of this crap. I like NOE raids, and dint get on the deadhorse band wagon about afraid to fight, your just afraid to get a base taken.
Taking bases that nobody is defending as often as not at bases in the far corners of eh map where nobody is,is less then impressive and skillss at best and thats all NOE raids typically do.
Want to do something that requires skill? Do an NOE on a base where people are already upping. While more challanging IS possible but it requires more actual skill in planning,imagination and execution.
All most NOE raids are is nothing more then a smaller version of a horde. You run your little conga line in under dar,take out field ack and horde the 2 or 3 people that notice and up try to defend. If anyone ups at all. Then everyone slaps each other n the back telling each other how great they are to overcome such minimal challenges to take a field that few if any upped to defend. and as soon as someone does start putting up a fight. NOE raiders quit and go someplace else where nobody is upping <yawn>
Its about as impressive display of skill as a body builder beating up on a 4 year old
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65 feet just means you have to WORK for bases, you can't just smash 'em and grab 'em. Doesn't make much sense to have a WWII sim game if you just go around causing havoc and grabbing bases. Think about it, if we all horded 24/7 where would the fight be? Tank town? Heavens no! Sorry that your 110 suddenly became a little more "obsolete."
I personally like the challenge of 65 feet and actually having opposition when I attack a base...
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improvise
overcome
adapt
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65 feet just means you have to WORK for bases, you can't just smash 'em and grab 'em. Doesn't make much sense to have a WWII sim game if you just go around causing havoc and grabbing bases. Think about it, if we all horded 24/7 where would the fight be? Tank town? Heavens no! Sorry that your 110 suddenly became a little more "obsolete."
I personally like the challenge of 65 feet and actually having opposition when I attack a base...
Creating "havoc"?? :rofl
The new dar has made defending against the noe much more difficult because now they come in hordes. They feel they have to.
For the most part, a few guys could up and successfully defend against most NOEs.
Not any more.
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65 feet just means you have to WORK for bases, you can't just smash 'em and grab 'em.
Not really, now they just bring 25+ guys to the undefended base instead.
Last night was a good example, it was also good exhibition of the longest PM rant by oDALLASo/vDALLAS.
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.oooooh i got it, add a few hundred more ack!!! oh why not 2 more hangers at all bases.
That is a good idea, can you make the post in the 'Wishlist'?
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htc cant win stop one fool from crying another starts
kinda like putting sandbags on a cracked dam
relax dude this is a game :aok
I guess my bubblegum didn't hold as well as the sandbags. Yup, it's my fault!
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simple, dont use dar, use your eyes.
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:banana:
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and as soon as someone does start putting up a fight. NOE raiders quit and go someplace else where nobody is upping <yawn>
Sounds like a REAL lot of "fighter" pilots I've encountered.
They would look down their nose and chastise the NOE guys while doing the exact same thing the NOE guys were doing.
The hypocrisy is almost funny.
Almost.
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Dude you are so right...
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm23/pixcomments/hello/men/myspace-comments-man-shaking-head-l.gif)
:rolleyes:
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improvise
overcome
adapt
What's amusing is, even if the radar limit was underground, your lot would still be telling players to suck it up and dig a hole.
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What's amusing is, even if the radar limit was underground, your lot would still be telling players to suck it up and dig a hole.
what exactly is my lot?
OH YEA........
below the radar..... :devil
shed wings, and prepare for silent running//////
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/avacarver2.jpg)
the japanese have found 90 degrees to be the perfect entry angle.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/avacarver3.jpg)
this final spy satalite photo was taken just before he hit the tree root.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/avacarver5.jpg)
so see? we can put the radar down to ground level. :devil :bolt:
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Creating "havoc"?? :rofl
The new dar has made defending against the noe much more difficult because now they come in hordes. They feel they have to.
For the most part, a few guys could up and successfully defend against most NOEs.
Not any more.
Yeah, havoc, oh well :rolleyes:
The thing I'm trying to get at is, yes they can horde, but the other side has a chance to see it coming and up in defense.
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Yeah, havoc, oh well :rolleyes:
The thing I'm trying to get at is, yes they can horde, but the other side has a chance to see it coming and up in defense.
They had a chance to see it coming before.
They would choose to ignore it, then complain about it.
They still do.
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what exactly is my lot?
That's that thing you buy when ya want to build a house.....though I never heard one talk before :D
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That's that thing you buy when ya want to build a house.....though I never heard one talk before :D
:rofl :aok
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They had a chance to see it coming before.
They would choose to ignore it, then complain about it.
They still do.
Touche'
We see it earlier now, anyway, last dying argument.
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Touche'
We see it earlier now, anyway, last dying argument.
You could put a ad on the BBs 2 days prior to the NOE and launch the Macys Day Parade at a base and STILL it would be for the most part ignored.
And the same old crowd would STILL be complaining about a horde taking an "undefended" base.
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They had a chance to see it coming before.
They would choose to ignore it, then complain about it.
They still do.
WRONG!!
Squaddies and I spent many nights devoted to looking to squash NOE hordes. Even with the prior setup of towns and radar change these guys used to do whatever they could to not try to attract attention. True very very fun for the NOE crowd and I understand and respect players that reseting the map is their game. Rememeber that there is a huge crowd here that log on that could care less about the state of the map and just like killing red things.
When the red things decide that they want to take a huge force somewhere and fly around undetected, remember that you are taking away from THEIR game too. Gameplay now is dictated by these armchair generals who have an uncanny ability to herd sheep to anywhere they wanna go and to the guys ( who believe it or not are a huge % in playerbase) that dont have big squads and dont have the time to devote to winning the war who just log on for a few sorties or two end up logging in disgust.
IF you by chance were on the recieving end just days prior to the first radar change, you would feel the need to have to do something. Now think of it this way...Radar settings are not put there to shut down YOUR game if you are the NOE crowd, but now they have given everyone an evened up choice on where to up and engage the enemy
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WRONG!!
Squaddies and I spent many nights devoted to looking to squash NOE hordes. Even with the prior setup of towns and radar change these guys used to do whatever they could to not try to attract attention. True very very fun for the NOE crowd and I understand and respect players that reseting the map is their game. Rememeber that there is a huge crowd here that log on that could care less about the state of the map and just like killing red things.
When the red things decide that they want to take a huge force somewhere and fly around undetected, remember that you are taking away from THEIR game too. Gameplay now is dictated by these armchair generals who have an uncanny ability to herd sheep to anywhere they wanna go and to the guys ( who believe it or not are a huge % in playerbase) that dont have big squads and dont have the time to devote to winning the war who just log on for a few sorties or two end up logging in disgust.
IF you by chance were on the recieving end just days prior to the first radar change, you would feel the need to have to do something. Now think of it this way...Radar settings are not put there to shut down YOUR game if you are the NOE crowd, but now they have given everyone an evened up choice on where to up and engage the enemy
I was NOT part of the NOE crowd, on the contrary, I ALSO liked scanning the map for potential NOEs and defending against them.
While there were always false alrms,I found the NOEs very very easy to detect.
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heck i busted 4 noes in two days, all i did was call out NOE or Raid at such and such base, people showed up to fight them and we pushed them back everytime, i try to scan the map all the time looking for oddities or possible incoming attacks. the hordes that attack lately seem real easy to beat back, once you get the upper hand they leave anyway and go find another place with no opposition, its a rinse and repeat cycle
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you know the irony of this? 65ft's alot more accurate to my knowledge for NOE raids within dar... :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTzOgGpLnO0&feature=related
Heres a good story for you all. and look at the altitude these mosquitos were flying at :aok
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Creating "havoc"?? :rofl
The new dar has made defending against the noe much more difficult because now they come in hordes. They feel they have to.
For the most part, a few guys could up and successfully defend against most NOEs.
Not any more.
cough cough....snicker......You're still a Bop, right?
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Have you noticed that it's huge numbers ranging from 20 to 30 pilots, upto 10,000ft are winning the day.
NOE raids I flew in, consisted of around 10 guys at 600ft, plus around 4 fighters that only zoom climbed at 10 miles from target. NOE's were harder to detect but easier to break up than this new super horde i'm seeing.
Now, even if you do get up in the air, one defender is generally outnumbered close to 5 to 1. It's much easier now to find a fight with the huge dar, but survivability has drastically reduced. I compared it on 200 last night to Russian WWII tactics, except they difference is they get to fly much better and much more effective aircraft.
I don't think this super hording was the intention of the initial dar change but it's what we've got and what we all have to deal with. The only problem is rustling up enough defenders that are actually willing to take on the horde; Half the Rook Airforce seem to be sat in the NAAFI drinking tea and playing cards while bases fall around them :lol
But to the hording "v-tards" (not my name for ya ;),) Your effective and efficient in your methods, :salute
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All that can take a base now is the horde, gettin sick of this crap. I like NOE raids,
At least you didn't contradict yourself in the same sentence, periods can do wonders.
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cough cough....snicker......You're still a Bop, right?
Cough cough........ yeah, I am, whats that got to do with anything?
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Cough cough........ yeah, I am, whats that got to do with anything?
:noid
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65 feet....AGAIN? After all the complaints it was returned to what it was before and your telling me it's been changed back to 65'?
By all means, let's impose a technology on a WWII game that they never had in WWII.
Makes perfect (non)sense to me.
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Won't be able to see for myself until Monday on this but, is it
expanded again to where it overlaps the enemy dar?
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To my knowledge it is still 500 ft to produce a radar bar and 65ft to be seen inside the radar ring.
The diameter of the radar ring is still 22 miles (the smaller version), iirc. I wont be able to verify any of the three settings until I get back home in a few days, but as of yesterday (Friday, Nov 19th), the settings had not changed for at least a month or two, give or take a week/10 days.
I think 500ft for dar bar and 65ft inside the dar ring are good settings. Regardless, I wish HTC would publish the settings (or change in settings) with a arena message or a change log like they do with the version updates.
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Sounds like a REAL lot of "fighter" pilots I've encountered.
They would look down their nose and chastise the NOE guys while doing the exact same thing the NOE guys were doing.
The hypocrisy is almost funny.
Almost.
Like Who? And dont even consider placing me on that list Im not usually found with my own horde unless thee is "a" nothing else going on Or "b" that big darbar that looked like a decent fight when I first upped and then flew to, vanished.
I will abandon a fight once the odds get absurdly rediculous going in either direction. Being part of a horde gets old fast, so does being horded.
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Just curious if people realize it is possible to fly under 65 feet.
Ya just have to be more careful about what your doing
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The M-18 has not christened this post yet :noid
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well.........if you all think think the changes are for the good....wanna see the horde rule.... good luck...i wont be a part of it...combat has always been about ground acquisition..ALWAYS!...in game or real life...take away an objective....take away a reason to fight....simple as that.
If all you want is an even battle.. go to the DA, If all you want is war....leave the element of surprise intact..game will loose if u dont , i promise that. If the same people who are against it realise that they would be the first to die in REAL combat, they would switch to a different position rather quick.
Why do i say that????? All combat is about blinding the enemy first...if u don't ...u die.simple as that
if you want realism, in any sort or way....look at the TRUE radar configurations of the time. wont be nearly as liberal as it is now!!!!!!!!
lowering the dar has nothing to do with promoting combat.....it has everything to do with a SELECT few who cant stand loosing...........
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well.........if you all think think the changes are for the good....wanna see the horde rule.... good luck...i wont be a part of it...combat has always been about ground acquisition..ALWAYS!...in game or real life...take away an objective....take away a reason to fight....simple as that.
If all you want is an even battle.. go to the DA, If all you want is war....leave the element of surprise intact..game will loose if u dont , i promise that. If the same people who are against it realise that they would be the first to die in REAL combat, they would switch to a different position rather quick.
Why do i say that????? All combat is about blinding the enemy first...if u don't ...u die.simple as that
if you want realism, in any sort or way....look at the TRUE radar configurations of the time. wont be nearly as liberal as it is now!!!!!!!!
lowering the dar has nothing to do with promoting combat.....it has everything to do with a SELECT few who cant stand loosing...........
Judging by your OP, I think it is you who can not stand losing.
Oh, and cartoon combat≠war ;)
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wasn't there already a thread somewhere going over how in theory, no base could really be attacked by surprise/?
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Hording is how you win. Ever hear of June 6th 1944 the original horde. Over whelming force in a concentrated area is how you win. It is the American way.
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lowering the dar has nothing to do with promoting combat.....it has everything to do with a SELECT few who cant stand loosing...........
Look at this game as a community pool that you pay your 14.95 a mo in order to use it. You have a group of 20 guys that want to do their own thing, say frisbee football. Another couple guys that like to play Marco polo. Another couple of guys that just like to go to relax poolside.
These guys in the big group choose to play frisbee football exclusive, not invite any others to join in, like it or not this big group of 20 (directly or indirectly) will interfere with the well being of the other guys that come for other reasons. They will take up space, get loud, splash water all over the place. In conclusion, create a tense enviroment. So why not try to be respectful and INVITE them to join in? Some might take up the invitation and join in on the fun and some just want to do their own thing and choose not too. Even if they choose not too, they can feel better knowing they had a choice in the matter.
The old system that promoted the classic NOE raid like it or not was being abused. It took a big chunk of people out of the fight. On the recieving end or giving end the result was bad. It is the classic cause of serious ENY problems and in the longterm really would of degraded the whole reason to why most log on in the first place.
Does this new system promote hording?..YES of course it does. But at least now EVERYONE has fair warning and given wait for it.... A CHOICE to engage. Most battles I see now are still in favor of the guys who mounted the attack so I dont see any reason to cry about radar changes.
On another note, you mention guys that cant stand loosing? Loosing what?.the base? Again I must pound into the heads that NOT EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THE WAR. I like and respect the dynamics brought about in what makes people want to come together and duke it out. Basetaking provides a competetive urgency to want to fight, but also realize that it will get EXTREMLY boring very very quickly if you met that goal with absolutley no challenge what so ever. Furballers also recognize that we need those basetakers or they wouldnt have a real good reason to be there in the first place
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Hording is how you win. Ever hear of June 6th 1944 the original horde. Over whelming force in a concentrated area is how you win. It is the American way.
YEP..how can I not agree with this statement?
Did you guys not remember in the speech Ike gave to the expedtionary force prior to the overlord operation?
You are about to embark on a great crusade, the eyes of the world are upon you. Whover goes down in the fight first please up a goon across the channel so Normandy can be ours.
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You are about to embark on a great crusade, the eyes of the world are upon you. Whover goes down in the fight first please up a goon across the channel so Normandy can be ours.
That is great! :rofl
I hope you don't mind if I add that to my sig.
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You are about to embark on a great crusade, the eyes of the world are upon you. Whover goes down in the fight first please up a goon across the channel so Normandy can be ours.
I must have missed that quote in my history classes, but it sure does fit :aok
I don't agree that bases have to be taken by hordes. The problem is for too long the bestest easiest plan was to NOE with 25+ of your closest friends and sneak in and grab a base then clap each other on the back congratulating each on their "skill" at avoiding another fight but still grabbing the base.
Well ladies, it's time to use your imagination, time to make new plans, time to really get organized! You might have to up from 2 or 3 different bases. You might have to run high alt buffs and time their arrival to the other elements of your mission. DO the goons run high alt with the buffs??? or do they try to NOE from some odd out lying base. Do you use more GV's with the bombers, or only M3's or jeeps to carry the troops?
Gone are the days of popping dar and capturing the base in under 3 minutes. Time, effort, and just a bit of skill is what going to be needed now. If the groups refuse to change, and they stick to their hordes what do you think HTC may do then?
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If the groups refuse to change, and they stick to their hordes what do you think HTC may do then?
Zone ENY, hopefully.
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Zone ENY, hopefully.
I've been calling for base limits as opposed to ENY for years. After all. No base is able to support an infinite amount of planes at one time.
But your idea would work too. It wouldnt prevent people from upping where they wanted. Just in what. And it wouldnt prevent people from upping in what they wanted. just in where. You could still get to the horded base if you want in your super ride. It just going to take you longer to get there.
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Why do i say that????? All combat is about blinding the enemy first...if u don't ...u die.simple as that
why dont you just send a suicide radar hero in to pork the radar first?
It's my new favorite thing.. sit in the tower and watch a p51 lawn dart on the radar.. its great! But HE GOT THE DAR with 2k and 6 rockets! :aok
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Zone ENY, hopefully.
Great idea but if you look into it, can you imagine those armchair generals ranting that they cant up their spixteen because all you guys are in THEIR ZONE?
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That's why the base-limit idea Dred alluded to would better. If, say, 20 planes/gv's were alREADY up from THAT base, you'd have to grab your HO machine from the next closest base, or hope one of your countrymen dies, which is always fun :aok
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:P Just do it
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I've been calling for base limits as opposed to ENY for years. After all. No base is able to support an infinite amount of planes at one time.
But your idea would work too. It wouldnt prevent people from upping where they wanted. Just in what. And it wouldnt prevent people from upping in what they wanted. just in where. You could still get to the horded base if you want in your super ride. It just going to take you longer to get there.
I once played a WWII sim where they did that very thing. Trust me, you don't want to go there. We don't need the kind of griefing they had, where guys would up aircraft on a second account, fly out a ways and crash them to attrition the enemy airfield so that they wouldn't have aircraft. And Lord in Heaven help the poor sap who'd crash a plane on takeoff - the screaming wailing and gnashing of teeth would reach a crescendo that made getting sucked through a jet engine preferable.
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Thing is i never saw a post in here that criticized the old dar setting.....I only heard complaints about the hordes! HTC seems a bit mixed up......they regulate the dar, that we didnt have a problem with, and lower the deck so it PROMOTES the horde, what are u guys smokin?
I have no idea why they would do this, other than take more fun from the game. And oh yeah new arena settings how's that workin for you?
Already i find myself playing less and less. After 3 years of loving this game, and the flip-flopin of HTC ,I'm getting to the point it ain't worth it.
Why won't you respond HTC???? tell me why you keep doing this, and tell me who complained? simple question, just want an answer?
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Thing is i never saw a post in here that criticized the old dar setting.....I only heard complaints about the hordes! HTC seems a bit mixed up......they regulate the dar, that we didnt have a problem with, and lower the deck so it PROMOTES the horde, what are u guys smokin?
I have no idea why they would do this, other than take more fun from the game. And oh yeah new arena settings how's that workin for you?
Already i find myself playing less and less. After 3 years of loving this game, and the flip-flopin of HTC ,I'm getting to the point it ain't worth it.
Why won't you respond HTC???? tell me why you keep doing this, and tell me who complained? simple question, just want an answer?
You cry too much :cry :cry :aok
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You cry too much :cry :cry :aok
Dear god man, you have got to be the worst of all every thread u reply to is a bad comment in some for or fashion
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Not really, now they just bring 25+ guys to the undefended base instead.
Last night was a good example, it was also good exhibition of the longest PM rant by oDALLASo/vDALLAS.
omg.... that troll still alive?
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Thing is i never saw a post in here that criticized the old dar setting.....I only heard complaints about the hordes! HTC seems a bit mixed up......they regulate the dar, that we didnt have a problem with, and lower the deck so it PROMOTES the horde, what are u guys smokin?
I have no idea why they would do this, other than take more fun from the game. And oh yeah new arena settings how's that workin for you?
Already i find myself playing less and less. After 3 years of loving this game, and the flip-flopin of HTC ,I'm getting to the point it ain't worth it.
Why won't you respond HTC???? tell me why you keep doing this, and tell me who complained? simple question, just want an answer?
I'll venture a couple guesses here... the problem wasn't the horde, even if it were a problem in HT's mind I'm not sure there's much he could do about it w/out drastic changes, the problem was that NOE became the norm rather than the exception and NOE by it's very nature doesn't promote cartoon combat. I don't believe they see any difference in how that combat takes place whether it's a furball or a base capture attempt, fighting is fighting regardless of it's form and objective.
I would be surprised to see a response or explanation because most of these questions have been gone over before and people are going to believe what they want to believe regardless of what anyone at HTC says so there really isn't anything to be gained by further comment.
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I once played a WWII sim where they did that very thing. Trust me, you don't want to go there. We don't need the kind of griefing they had, where guys would up aircraft on a second account, fly out a ways and crash them to attrition the enemy airfield so that they wouldn't have aircraft. And Lord in Heaven help the poor sap who'd crash a plane on takeoff - the screaming wailing and gnashing of teeth would reach a crescendo that made getting sucked through a jet engine preferable.
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At least with the AW zone limits, once someone was shot down it opened up a spot for that side. The only way to keep your spot was to land your mission successfully and you'd be able to take off again. Get shot down and you're in back of the line.
ack-ack
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the problem was that NOE became the norm rather than the exception and NOE by it's very nature doesn't promote cartoon combat.
Which is why groundfeeder wants the old 'dar settings back, far easier for him to avoid the fight with the old system. Whereas now he has to face the prospect of having to fight and that scares the beejeebus out of him.
ack-ack
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I don't understand..NOE is still possible...yes it actually takes a little more skill to keep it under the height but I feel you think it is 65' from sea level....I thought it was 65' from ground level...however high that may be...so sure you can't raise up to 200' and hit auto but that shouldn't worry you as in another post you jump on the band wagon where a statement about the realism aspect of things is flung about.....
The biggest problem I find (and for all intensive purposes I haven't been here long)is lack of planning. Missions I used to go one had 2-3 components to them....one lot was straight out destruction...one lot was a little destruction quickly then cap..and sometimes there was a third component which was straight out fighter support.....implementing these three things to one objective allows for all types of game play in one place. There was also the other side where there would be a small group causing havoc at nearby bases. Yes there were big numbers in the missions but not the size there is now...and most of these are stragglers looking for easy kills.....The big thing with these was cohesion...the leaders knew what they wanted......
Yes the towns are a bit harder but if done right they can still easily fall. and to be quite honest huge numbers are not needed..just a good component of all areas.. I come from a small squad (fly lower number hours true but) and we have managed base takes with less attackers...we had good attackers granted but it is possible.
And to touch on the fact that you are loosing the fun aspect...is it because you want to take the map? or just bases? because as I see it, unless you can stay on 24/7 for 3-4 days you run the risk of not being a part of the map take in any case.
I do find the hordes hard myself..but then again I will continue to up from a field teeming with cons instead of upping from the base 1 sector over....
This could even become the mission for you and your lot...kill the base that horde is coming from...sure you will get some grief but then again some hordes do need to be stopped as they are just .............. ...... ......... ..........
but you can have a laugh at their lack of for-site to defend their base as they go after that easy assist or two :lol :lol :lol
Hope all that makes some kind of sense...my fingers lack far behind what I'm thinking :lol :lol :lol :lol
just my little bit of no nonsensical logic <S>
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The 80th simply flies in inverted. It confuses dar and it will not show you on map.
We recently installed giroblenders for this very reason.
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Hording is how you win. Ever hear of June 6th 1944 the original horde. Over whelming force in a concentrated area is how you win. It is the American way.
Nah, it is not the American way. It is more of the Soviet way. They learned it from the Mongols, and adopted it to their means. Yes, when able most forces can and will horde for immediate results, but the Germans proved that when all things are equal behind the lines (i.e. supply lines, air power is limited, etc), the 1 vs 10 deficit can be trumped by superior tactics.
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Just by the fact there is a dar bar to begin with, says it all that HTC wants furballing, wants fight finding. Extremely fake, undermines the 'radar concept' of the bases using radar to defend themselves, but we go with the flow.
The only solution around the 'fake dar bar' to reintroduce some type of realism is NOE raids. Now impossible to hide because the minute we all take off to collect our formations, we're already showing on enemy 'dar'. Fake.
PLus it takes too long for pilots to get below 65 feet, and with occasional pops, tips off the enemy we're coming. Fake.
All seeing darbar at 65feet also lessens the importance to kill the radar emitter at the base.
Enemies who horde take bases just as it was done in real life war.... the ones who can't get a horde together find the only solution is NOE by surprise. The 65ft all seeing dar bar ruins the fun for those that want to try something different, or can only have a chance to balance out the hording enemies (aka mostly bishops, which have been observed repeatedly over the past 6 months)
HTC 65ft radar is a very bad choice. ANd yes I participate in low, mid, high alt base hittings, and try to organize multi-aspect (high buff support) base hitting. What is being said is that HTC is ruining the fun for the one remaining REAL LIFE element (radar should not be visible everywhere even in friendly territory).
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... but the Germans proved that when all things are equal behind the lines (i.e. supply lines, air power is limited, etc), the 1 vs 10 deficit can be trumped by superior tactics.
Ahem. Nazis lost.
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Ahem. Nazis lost.
Plus...
10 Shermans > 1 King Tiger
5x P51s> 1x 109
Perhaps not as disproportionate, but you catch my drift... Of course if you would like to bring up something to do with Thermopylae...
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Hording is how you win. Ever hear of June 6th 1944 the original horde. Over whelming force in a concentrated area is how you win. It is the American way.
Actually, the Germans thought the attack was a diversion for the actual attack that was to come at the Pas de Calais.
Misdirection, not a hoard.
wrongway
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Misdirection, not a hoard.
wrongway
An example of a hord where the Allied forces arrayed for the invasion of Okinawa.
ack-ack
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Hording is how you win. Ever hear of June 6th 1944 the original horde. Over whelming force in a concentrated area is how you win. It is the American way.
Ever hear of the Battle of Cannae?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae
Or the union defeat handed down by R.E. Lee at Chancellorsville?
http://www.suite101.com/content/robert-e-lees-greatest-victory-a198657
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Just by the fact there is a dar bar to begin with, says it all that HTC wants furballing, wants fight finding. Extremely fake, undermines the 'radar concept' of the bases using radar to defend themselves, but we go with the flow.
What is being said is that HTC is ruining the fun for the one remaining REAL LIFE element (radar should not be visible everywhere even in friendly territory).
Oh brother, this is not even "REAL LIFE", yes the concept is based on WWII but to make the game certain liberties have to be taken to make it playable for a wide range of people. You say "Extremely fake" I say
any computer game is fake.:) If HTC only "wants furballing" it would be easy for him to design the game for only furballs.
Real life is if I am doing aerobatics in my RV-6 and make a mistake I am not coming back with a new airplane.
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It seems with all the accurate skins, as close to accurate flight modeling, and all the accurate terrains and textures and all the money and research put into that effort that is does seem completely asanine to impose a radar technology into the game that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII.
Scientists, even before WWII were messing around with crude radar and started off in the 30-100 mHz (or so) range and it was not very accurate. They possessed this radar at Pearl Harbor and you know how well that worked. The scientists on most all sides kicked up the efforts at the start of the war and moved up to 200 mHz (some were experimenting with 400 and even 500 mHz range sets) or so and it was a bit more accurate but still had high inaccuracies and could be easily "jammed" by thin metal foil strips (similar to Christmas tree "icicles" but made of super-thin metal) which the British used to mess with German radar sites along the French, Belgian, and Dutch coasts in advance of night bombing missions of the RAF. Since the "chaff" took so long to fall to earth it was a decent system.
The absolute "Cadillac" of radar in WWII was installed very late war onto Royal Navy aircraft carrriers and battleships. It was the best so far but at best, could "see" down to about 500' (Wiki is quoted as saying 650' but take Wiki with a grain of salt).
By the end of the war they were moving up to the 400 and 500 mHz ranges and getting more accuracy but not one system was accurate to more than 500' above terrain except the Royal Navy had a half-way decent radar that went down to around 500' but the naval only radar was only accurate out to about 15 miles or so due to the curvarure of the Earth and the fact that radio waves bend or "refract" out to about another 30% because radio waves bend. And that radar was early 1944 and after, and only the big ships got it because it was expensive to build, maintain, and train operators for. There was no "down to 60' accuracy because anythink less than say 500' was considered inaccurate do to "ground clutter"--and still is.
Read your history. Even the Second Gulf of Tonkin incident in August of 1964 was prompted by inaccurate radar and US naval forces claiming to have been attacked by North Vietnamese naval vessels (read that radar alledgedly accurate down to 60' or so) that prompted America's escallation in the Vietnam War. Inaccurate naval radar...19 years after the END of WWII.
It wasn't until the late 50's and early 60's that the US military went to 800 mHz to 1 GHz radar that was very much more accurate but still can't ID something at 65'. Even the Royal Navy losing the destroyer "HMS Sheffield" in the Falklands War in 1980 shows that the Royal Navy STILL had no decent radar 60' or so as an Argentine flown jet firing a French made Extocet Missle that came in at just around that hight, striking the Sheffield broadside and sending her to the bottom.
Watch your local TV coverage of tornado watches and observe as they try to pull it down to less than 500' and it will turn most of the screen to a blob...ground clutter (unless you live in Iowa or Kansas where it's flat as a pancake). Radar cannot see through mountains or hills, and once a radio signal is deflected off a mountain or hill it is reflected UP--not around an obsticle and is worthless after that in that same direction until the radar rotates back that way again--and STILL cannot "see" through hills or mountains. Modern (read that 1980 or so and after) radar morphed drastically and was not only straight out but at multiple angles almost to vertical for both tracking aircraft and aerial objects but moisture filled clouds as well and color-weather radar began to help track tornado rotation as well as developing tornado rotation--and that's saved countless lives since then--and IT cannot read much below 500'--read that "ground clutter".
Radar in WWII was at VHF and then graduated to UHF. Anyone who has studied radio signals, and radar IS a radio signal, and history, knows that the technology for radar accuracy to much below 500' (much less 200' or even the insane 60') DID NOT EXIST IN WWII in any theater, period.
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It seems with all the accurate skins, as close to accurate flight modeling, and all the accurate terrains and textures and all the money and research put into that effort that is does seem completely asanine to impose a radar technology into the game that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII.
Yes, the game would be much more fun if, like real life, you flew dozens of sorties without ever seeing the enemy.
wrongway
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:(9 has always said the concessions are made because its a game. Technically speaking, this game has nothing to do with WWII. It's a game that happens to use models based off of WWII equipment.
Radar is like it is so players can find each other and engage in aerial and land based combat
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Yes, the game would be much more fun if, like real life, you flew dozens of sorties without ever seeing the enemy.
wrongway
If any one single player BEFORE the radar was switched back to "not even realistic in 1964" couldn't see the enemy coming by watching the map and subsiquent red darbar (either dissapearing and coming back or solid) then they need some skills. In WWII pilots flew boatloads of sorties without ever seeing one single enemy plane. But this game has morphed from trying it's best to be realistic into feeding the masses immediate gratification in a fast-food, microwave world.
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In WWII pilots flew boatloads of sorties without ever seeing one single enemy plane. But this game has morphed from trying it's best to be realistic into feeding the masses immediate gratification in a fast-food, microwave world.
You would rather fly in the MA, FSO, or a scenario without ever seeing an enemy?
Please, tell me you're joking.
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Sadly, I don't think he is.
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You would rather fly in the MA, FSO, or a scenario without ever seeing an enemy?
Please, tell me you're joking.
Isnt that called offline mode??? unless your to timid for the AI in there, i dunno :huh
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:headscratch: Find whats fun and do it. If its not fun, cancel your account. Its a game. Relax and have fun.
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You would rather fly in the MA, FSO, or a scenario without ever seeing an enemy?
Please, tell me you're joking.
Your slipping...
Absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post.
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Your slipping...
Absolutely the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post.
It was a serious question; just because historical action was much less prevalent than it is in AH, why would you want to emulate that?
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Please, tell me you're joking.
Would a man that has a heart of a SEAL joke?
ack-ack
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