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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Crash Orange on November 24, 2010, 11:51:10 PM
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Reading the forum always makes me shake my head at the complete disconnect between what people say here and what I hear/read on country and vox in the game. I just don't think this forum represents anything remotely approaching an accurate cross-section of the views of people actually playing the game. But then, I suppose anyone could say that.
So why not put it to the test?
We had arena polls - polls that reflecting the view of each individual who actually logged on and played, not the loudest-mouthed forum warriors - on new planes, so why not have them on issues that are probably more important to most people playing?
First up, arena caps. I'd bet $100 right now that if HTC put up a simple, one-question poll - "Should arena caps be done away with?" - at least 75% of the players logging on would vote "Yes". After that we could discuss questions like the new off-peak arena system, ENY, and whether the recent changes have put the base-taking aspect of the game out of balance, or whether people regard base-taking and strategic goals as an important part of the game at all. One good use to which the forum *could* be put might be suggesting and refining future poll questions.
Of course, HTC being a privately-owned business and not a democracy, there's nothing to say the results would have to be implemented or even disclosed. But at least it would give the company much more accurate feedback on how the people who actually pay the bills feel. After that they can decide whether to listen, or to go on introducing unpopular "solutions" that are worse than the problems and let the game keep shrinking at the rate it is now so they can all be looking for new jobs (and we players for a new game) in a year or two.
I'm sure this idea will bring plenty of flames from the usual forum blowhards who insist their opinions (expressed at LENGTH and with many spelling errors) are superior to and should carry more weight than those of the unwashed masses who actually, you know, PLAY the game (and yeah, by the way, also make its existence possible financially). Which is exactly my point.
So come on, HTC how about it? Don't you want to know what your paying customers really think? What have you got to lose?
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May I ask, where are you getting this info about the game shrinking?
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Spoken like a true forum blowhard :aok
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May I ask, where are you getting this info about the game shrinking?
The forum, of course! :rolleyes:
But seriously, it's hard to say because HTC doesn't release subscriber numbers, but look at the stats. Last tour there were under 400k kills and deaths in LW. A year ago it was closer to 600k. I don't think playing style has changed that much in a year. You can also get some idea by looking at the rank of the worst-ranked player over time at peak hours in LWO and LWB.
Of course, the economy's still in the tank and that doubtless has much to do with it. I think it's more than that, but that latter part is just my speculation.
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The majority of players is willing to quickly answer very question or poll just from a quick guts feeling, by what they would think it's "awesome" or "cool" or what may help them... and only them. Few do ever think about the consequences fro the game or arena. You can do poll after poll, but that still won't help you much with your game design decisions. Even worse: If you run a poll on a topic, people will expect quick action according to their wishes. Of course will players vote "I do not want caps". But you would alsp probably get a majority for "Do you want nukes with the B-29".
Or imagine HTC would do a poll about collision model. : "A) It should stay the way it is B) Both should go down C) None should go down". We all know the majority would not vote A) :lol
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The majority of players is willing to quickly answer very question or poll just from a quick guts feeling, by what they would think it's "awesome" or "cool" or what may help them... and only them. Few do ever think about the consequences fro the game or arena. You can do poll after poll, but that still won't help you much with your game design decisions.
That is true, there is a strict limit to its usefulness due to the shallow and one-sided nature of the conversation. But I think it would be a useful counterbalance to the very limited cross-section of the player base represented by the forum.
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What the players want and what is good for the game are often two very different things. Hitech has posted a link to an article that basically says, "don't listen to your customers."
Although they make us think we got to make a decision, in reality, HTC picked the planes and our decision was relatively insignificant (but cool).
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I guess I don't see the harm in online questionnaires. Garbage in = Garbage Out though. If the questions aren't well worded and thorough, results will be meaningless.
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Reading the forum always makes me shake my head at the complete disconnect between what people say here and what I hear/read on country and vox in the game. I just don't think this forum represents anything remotely approaching an accurate cross-section of the views of people actually playing the game.
There is absolutely no question in my mind of this and witnessing that "not fun anymore" thread is my proof of that. You aren't going to convince the forum queens though ...
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What the players want and what is good for the game are often two very different things. Hitech has posted a link to an article that basically says, "don't listen to your customers."
Although they make us think we got to make a decision, in reality, HTC picked the planes and our decision was relatively insignificant (but cool).
Ahh that is the beauty of customer polls: First you make up your mind of what you are going to do. Then, you make a poll about it. If the poll approves your pre-made decision, you tell the players that you accept "their" requests and follow their advice. Hurra! the devs should listen to the players... If the poll does not correspond with your pre-made decision you ignore it, show leadership and decisiveness and do what you wanted in the first place.
Developers should listen to their customers, but then take their own decisions.
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{Snip} Developers should listen to their customers, but then take their own decisions.
+100 :aok
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The problem with polls is, you can get almost any results just by how it is worded. This is how very unpopular politicians and their policies have such high approval rates. As for leaving AH and going to another game, as far as I have found. There is no other on line game with the type of game play I find here in AH.
Even this new, World of Tanks game is hokey. I was hoping it would be a cool tank game but is is played with a mouse and even with the overly long drives here in AH, AH is far and away the better game. I will hang on here and wait while some smart fellow like Lusche work out the kinks in the new systems.
R-105
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Who wants to be polled every time they log on:
[ ] Me
[ ] Not Me
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I wonder why people tend to assume that their issues are the ones everyone else cares about? :rolleyes:
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Reading the forum always makes me shake my head at the complete disconnect between what people say here and what I hear/read on country and vox in the game. I just don't think this forum represents anything remotely approaching an accurate cross-section of the views of people actually playing the game. But then, I suppose anyone could say that.
So why not put it to the test?
We had arena polls - polls that reflecting the view of each individual who actually logged on and played, not the loudest-mouthed forum warriors - on new planes, so why not have them on issues that are probably more important to most people playing?
First up, arena caps. I'd bet $100 right now that if HTC put up a simple, one-question poll - "Should arena caps be done away with?" - at least 75% of the players logging on would vote "Yes". After that we could discuss questions like the new off-peak arena system, ENY, and whether the recent changes have put the base-taking aspect of the game out of balance, or whether people regard base-taking and strategic goals as an important part of the game at all. One good use to which the forum *could* be put might be suggesting and refining future poll questions.
Of course, HTC being a privately-owned business and not a democracy, there's nothing to say the results would have to be implemented or even disclosed. But at least it would give the company much more accurate feedback on how the people who actually pay the bills feel. After that they can decide whether to listen, or to go on introducing unpopular "solutions" that are worse than the problems and let the game keep shrinking at the rate it is now so they can all be looking for new jobs (and we players for a new game) in a year or two.
I'm sure this idea will bring plenty of flames from the usual forum blowhards who insist their opinions (expressed at LENGTH and with many spelling errors) are superior to and should carry more weight than those of the unwashed masses who actually, you know, PLAY the game (and yeah, by the way, also make its existence possible financially). Which is exactly my point.
So come on, HTC how about it? Don't you want to know what your paying customers really think? What have you got to lose?
...and if HTC followed the advice of that pole they would be out of business.
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The real and only meaningful poll is the voting with dollars or money...
That's your vote OP...
There is a reason (and a good one) that HTC is NOT driven by the transient emotional sentiment of its customers...likewise...its a good thing this nation is not a democracy...and rather a Constitutional Republic...
When followers lead...tragedy, chaos and mayhem follow...
NO POLLS...
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Oneway
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...and if HTC followed the advice of that pole they would be out of business.
the base taking aspect has changed... people have noticed this. i just havent cared THAT much about that aspect to post on the forums about it
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polls are all very good but we must not lose sight of the point that whilst we play this game the employees of HTC earn their livelihood from it. Its serious business and not something to experiment with in a manner that induces any form of risk to the core revenue source.
Further that we opine about this or that which may or may not make the game more favourable to the style of game we might want to play HTC have to ensure that any gameplay change does not start a series of change and counter change that could cripple the game in a short period of time. For all that we here may have suggestions or opinions, HTC has a wealth of experience in MMOG air combat game play and know how some decisions affecting game play also affect the bottom line.
Polls that are ignored do not enhance the reputation of the polsters. HTC should only have polls when the are ready to carry out the results. If there is a possibility that the poll could suggest a strategm that HTC know to be bad for business then such a pole should not be posted.
From time to time there may be an increase in debate over gameplay but this does not mean there is a crisis of gameplay.
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Who wants to be polled every time they log on:
[ ] Me
[ ] Not Me
I want to be fallatiod. Can I get that everytime I log on? :)
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Well he brought up a good point if you go into scores and look at a category that you havent scored in yet...
Today we see numbers around 3,072
When I started the game around tour 98 the numbers were--- 5,913
Whether or not this actually means people are leaving I can't say.
But less people are playing actively it seems.
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Well he brought up a good point if you go into scores and look at a category that you havent scored in yet...
Today we see numbers around 3,072
When I started the game around tour 98 the numbers were--- 5,913
Whether or not this actually means people are leaving I can't say.
But less people are playing actively it seems.
I think multiple people can have the same score.
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I do agree with Belial, I don't I have seen a ranking over 3500 in quite sometime.You can't go by the arena's being full either as an indication.This game is like anything else, after awhile it change/evolve whether we want it to or not.
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I think multiple people can have the same score.
The plane stats give you all players that had a kill or a death in any plane, gv, gun. Thus you can get all "active players" during a tour. The number went down to about 2/3rd during the last two years. Which is very much corresponding with the number of players logged in. The low point was once about 100 players (around mid day local time), now it's often below 60.
Of course, this is not meaning AH is dying, nor can you blame any single design decision or so for that. It's complex matter, and on top of that, we do know nothing about the business side of affairs.
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One thing with the "polls" on AH is that when presented with the polling window, one is not advised
as to whether they can vote later or if "right now" is the deal.
IMHO many, if not most guys didn't know what most of the initial plane choices were, and just jumped
at something they had heard of in the past.
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Who wants to be polled every time they log on:
[ ] Me
[ ] Not Me
[ ] Me
[ x ] Not Me
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[ x ] Not Me
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Not.
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[ x ] Me
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Not.
Kneeslapper!
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:rofl
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Reading the forum always makes me shake my head at the complete disconnect between what people say here and what I hear/read on country and vox in the game. I just don't think this forum represents anything remotely approaching an accurate cross-section of the views of people actually playing the game. But then, I suppose anyone could say that.
So why not put it to the test?
We had arena polls - polls that reflecting the view of each individual who actually logged on and played, not the loudest-mouthed forum warriors - on new planes, so why not have them on issues that are probably more important to most people playing?
First up, arena caps. I'd bet $100 right now that if HTC put up a simple, one-question poll - "Should arena caps be done away with?" - at least 75% of the players logging on would vote "Yes". After that we could discuss questions like the new off-peak arena system, ENY, and whether the recent changes have put the base-taking aspect of the game out of balance, or whether people regard base-taking and strategic goals as an important part of the game at all. One good use to which the forum *could* be put might be suggesting and refining future poll questions.
Of course, HTC being a privately-owned business and not a democracy, there's nothing to say the results would have to be implemented or even disclosed. But at least it would give the company much more accurate feedback on how the people who actually pay the bills feel. After that they can decide whether to listen, or to go on introducing unpopular "solutions" that are worse than the problems and let the game keep shrinking at the rate it is now so they can all be looking for new jobs (and we players for a new game) in a year or two.
I'm sure this idea will bring plenty of flames from the usual forum blowhards who insist their opinions (expressed at LENGTH and with many spelling errors) are superior to and should carry more weight than those of the unwashed masses who actually, you know, PLAY the game (and yeah, by the way, also make its existence possible financially). Which is exactly my point.
So come on, HTC how about it? Don't you want to know what your paying customers really think? What have you got to lose?
+1 I am sure that HTC reads all forums and does take into account what people are talking about..
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I like the idea