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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: FTJR on November 25, 2010, 06:01:15 AM
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Rather than bore you with the same RAF scheme, here is the 2nd scheme with all the suggestions of the previous topic incorporated
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss7-1.jpg)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss8-1.jpg)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss9.jpg)
as usual any input welcomed
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I like it!!
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I like it except for the spinners they seem to be egg shell gold for the lack of a better term. They need to be more of a deeper yellow or Gold.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Mosquito-60Sq-SAAF-Italy44-1.jpg)
Also the red seems to be not the quite the right shade of red? It looks to be to candy cane red like on your skin. It just may be me though? :headscratch: Also looking at the photo your one line short & that is because your lines are thicker that the planes in the photo have. Unless you have a picture showing other wise of the K aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/mosa20-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/mozxvi1.jpg)
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Thanks Guys,
Yes Lyric, I was just looking at Yellow, since I though it would match the propellor blades, I will look at the gold.. ta.
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Updated Yellow, I couldn't find a yellow to match the photo, i gather that is something to do with time and processing of the film. So I used the yellow from the Roundels.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss10.jpg)
old one for comparison
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss7-1.jpg)
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The stripes on the tail are a tad too bright. A darker red would work. The stripes on your skin look a little thicker than in the photos, and missing 1 stripe compared to the top photo (counted the strips on the tail of the plane in the background). The 1st yellow you did, matches better with both the top photo and the profile picture. The newer yellow looks a tad dark compared to them. As you said, it could be due to the age of the film, but the 1st yellow fits better with the photo. Couldn't get a yellow between the two? The 2nd yellow you did, matches the model very well though. Other than that, that is a fantastic job you have done. :aok
Unrelated to the skin:
I just noticed that in the main plane, the invasion stripes don't go over the top on the rear fuselage, while the background plane, has it going all around. Wonder if they didn't finish painting them on...
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The stripes on the tail are a tad too bright. A darker red would work. The stripes on your skin look a little thicker than in the photos, and missing 1 stripe compared to the top photo (counted the strips on the tail of the plane in the background). The 1st yellow you did, matches better with both the top photo and the profile picture. The newer yellow looks a tad dark compared to them. As you said, it could be due to the age of the film, but the 1st yellow fits better with the photo. Couldn't get a yellow between the two? The 2nd yellow you did, matches the model very well though. Other than that, that is a fantastic job you have done. :aok
Unrelated to the skin:
I just noticed that in the main plane, the invasion stripes don't go over the top on the rear fuselage, while the background plane, has it going all around. Wonder if they didn't finish painting them on...
They started painting over invasion stripes after D-day the half painted fuselage was a later paint scheme.
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They started painting over invasion stripes after D-day the half painted fuselage was a later paint scheme.
That was what I thought...don't know why I didn't ask that question vs the other. Oh boy... :o
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I didn't see the original post by Lyric re the red.
So i've changed it to insigniture red. The choosing of the colours, I can only do so much, my guess is they used what was on hand, which would be the paint for the roundels and such.
Volron, thanks for the comments.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss11-2.jpg)
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A few things regarding colour I've noticed :
1) The blue seems a bit.. I don't know how to describe it, other than pale, compared to the picture Lyric posted. Maybe it IS correct, I do not know, but I think it would look better a little deeper.
2) The spinners in your lastest post look rather "rubber ducky" yellow.. I think if you get a shade lighter and darken it a tad(can't describe how it'd be done, I'm sure it can though), you'll be right on the mark with Lyric's picture.
3) The tail stripes look much better :aok
*Edit - Should be noted that I'm not a skinner and will never attempt to. Just a few things I noticed that I thought you may appreciate hearing.
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Few things.
"K" still appears to be the previous "red" color. It should match the tail stripes.
Roundel on the side, the profile shows a SAAF roundel. Is the standard British one correct? Was this a Med bird? If so its likely to have had the SAAF Roundel. And is the current one done correctly, the red to blue purportions seem off.
Roundels above the wings? Below?
Invasion stripes, try using 50,50,50 for the black. And try 234,244,242 or something close for the white there and on the tail. Not quite as "stark".
Wish I had time to do this again.
Cheers.
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They started painting over invasion stripes after D-day the half painted fuselage was a later paint scheme.
This is an MTO bird. The invasion stripes are not related to Normandy, but the problem with getting mistaken for a German bird without some sort of ID stripe. I think the profile is wrong in terms of wing stripes. This was just the fuselage and unrelated to D-Day
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Thanks for the replies.
Change log... Updated the white, turned on the wing roundels (oops) and updated the red K (good catch).
It is an MTO bird, but I dont have any side photo's of it to give an indication of colour of the roundel, red or orange, if you look at the profiles versus the pictures, they dont match. So I went with the RAF colours. I am happy to be corrected. I think the roundel size is correct for the fuselage based on other pics of PR machines. No roundels on the bottom of the wing
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss12.jpg)
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FT,
So far all looks good. However, I notice that in the historical photo that was provided above, the red stripes appear to be thinner than the white stripes. Currently, both red and white stripes on your skin are the same width. You may want to double check your sources though. I am also not sure if you have the blue paint matched up exactly. You might want to add a little extra tint of blue to the blue paint on the plane. The yellow spinners appear to be spot on with the photos provided.
That is all I have observed thus far with this skin. Good luck! :aok
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Few things.
Roundel on the side, the profile shows a SAAF roundel. Is the standard British one correct? Was this a Med bird? If so its likely to have had the SAAF Roundel. And is the current one done correctly, the red to blue purportions seem off.
Roundels above the wings? Below?
Cheers.
I have looked so hard for a picture with SAAF roundels & could not find any from that time period until now. I would say based off of the three pictures I have posted you could go either way? Now if you go with the G designation I would say SAAF in. I like the SAAF better any way. :aok
Also complete invasion stripes on the first aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ2.jpg)
Notice the difference white letters on the side of the fuselage & vertical stabilizer is all blue & rudder only striped in the first picture.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ1-2.jpg)
EDIT: Also just noticed under a magnifying glass that the drop tank on the right wing looks to be white in the third picture? That profile I posted may be right about D-day stripes under the wing?
EDIT#2: Also just noticed in the second picture that one of the aircraft has white drop tanks as well? No invasion stripes though on that aircraft yet the one next to it has partial stripes? Seems strange to paint tanks white though? I think it may have come off a bird that at one time did have stripes?
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Also in all the references the actual size and scope of the stripes on the fusalage are larger.
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Some more SAAF profiles.
From my other post here is a profile of the first picture.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ3.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ4.jpg)
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Change Log, since we now have a picture, now 680 squadron G. SAAF Roundels, expanded invasion stripes
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss13.jpg)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/SAAFMOZ1-2.jpg)
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Do you have stripes underneath the wings as well? Would seem strange just to paint drop tanks white like in the photo,that first profile I posted looks to be close to right on.
Nice work. :aok
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Mate are there stripes below the wing? I cant tell from the photo's you've posted.
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No invasion stripes on the wings as they're not invasion stripes but ID bands. MTO bird!
Think early Tiffies with just the bands under the wings.
Just something to keep them from getting shot by friendly fighters as were the red and white stripes on the tail. Unless you've got a photo showing complete stripes, I wouldn't trust the profile as I think it would be an easy mistake to make thinking those fuselage bands were D-Day stripes.
I would speculate that the DTs were either day fighter gray or silver, not white.
Are there any other photos of full invasion striped 60 Squadron Mossies? I'm wary of the one of MM386 as that one was lend leased to the USAAF and lost in a crash in November 44. 60 Squadron SAAF never operated out of England. I'm hard pressed to think they sent a Mossie to the MTO and brought it back for the USAAF in England. I think it's not a 60 Squadron SAAF bird.
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Mate are there stripes below the wing? I cant tell from the photo's you've posted.
No photos only based off of profile & a possible white looking drop tank that is in photo that matches profile.
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No invasion stripes on the wings as they're not invasion stripes but ID bands. MTO bird!
Think early Tiffies with just the bands under the wings.
Just something to keep them from getting shot by friendly fighters as were the red and white stripes on the tail. Unless you've got a photo showing complete stripes, I wouldn't trust the profile as I think it would be an easy mistake to make thinking those fuselage bands were D-Day stripes.
I would speculate that the DTs were either day fighter gray or silver, not white.
Are there any other photos of full invasion striped 60 Squadron Mossies? I'm wary of the one of MM386 as that one was lend leased to the USAAF and lost in a crash in November 44. 60 Squadron SAAF never operated out of England. I'm hard pressed to think they sent a Mossie to the MTO and brought it back for the USAAF in England. I think it's not a 60 Squadron SAAF bird.
I have no other pictures with complete IDENTIFICATION BANDS :D
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So we're good?
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Looks to be good. I do believe lyric is right about the other Mossie with the black, PRU blue and red tail btw. The red tail would explain it.
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Change Log, since we now have a picture, now 680 squadron G. SAAF Roundels, expanded invasion stripes
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss13.jpg)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/SAAFMOZ1-2.jpg)
If this is the end result, VERY nicely done. :aok I want to fly with it already... :x
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Change Log, since we now have a picture, now 680 squadron G. SAAF Roundels, expanded invasion stripes
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss13.jpg)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/SAAFMOZ1-2.jpg)
Found another picture of this aircraft prior to SAAF markings.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/MOSSIE-2.jpg)
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No invasion stripes on the wings as they're not invasion stripes but ID bands. MTO bird!
Think early Tiffies with just the bands under the wings.
Just something to keep them from getting shot by friendly fighters as were the red and white stripes on the tail. Unless you've got a photo showing complete stripes, I wouldn't trust the profile as I think it would be an easy mistake to make thinking those fuselage bands were D-Day stripes.
I would speculate that the DTs were either day fighter gray or silver, not white.
Are there any other photos of full invasion striped 60 Squadron Mossies? I'm wary of the one of MM386 as that one was lend leased to the USAAF and lost in a crash in November 44. 60 Squadron SAAF never operated out of England. I'm hard pressed to think they sent a Mossie to the MTO and brought it back for the USAAF in England. I think it's not a 60 Squadron SAAF bird.
Although not an SAAF aircraft I just thought it was interesting with the ID bands/D-Day stripes. :D I would say the OCU portion would be the reason for it being a long way from home. Makes me wonder though how many of these were shipped like this & ended up staying with units that would normally not have these markings due to the thearter they were in?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/MOSSIE1-4.jpg)
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Aren't the identification stripes angled aft?
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Looking at the first picture, do you see the Stripes on the mossie in the background. Looks pretty haphazard to me.
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Looking at the first picture, do you see the Stripes on the mossie in the background. Looks pretty haphazard to me.
In this picture, which I believe is the plane you are doing,
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/SAAFMOZ1-2.jpg)
It looks like the stripes have a "aft leaning" angle. If you look at the one by the roundel, it isn't straight up/down at that point.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/MOSSIE-3.jpg)
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I see what you're saying, I've already submitted the skin, I'll look at updating it. Thanks Guys.