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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saxman on November 27, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
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So I was watching the marathon History Channel was running yesterday. I've seen it a few times before, and it's a HUGE step up from the endless reruns of Ice Road Truckers, because at least Pawn Stars turns up items of historical significance (although the woman driver on IRT is pretty hot it's not enough for me to watch that drivel). I've got to say that what irks me most is that a LOT of the stuff he has brought in belong in a museum, where researchers can have access to it and it can be properly preserved.
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Pawn shops should be agents the law !
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I love Pawn Stars, they buy really interesting things sometimes. :aok
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So you like watching people getting ripped off ? :noid
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I wonder how angry people get when they watch the show and realize how badly the fatboys have ripped them off.
I can't stand those smug dweebs.
<S> Melvin
Beat me by 30 secs Flench lol
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I use to work for one and I had to quit after I found out how bad they ripped people off . I just could not live with myself doing that .
EDIT : I seen that Melvin . I agree 100% with ya .
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So you like watching people getting ripped off ? :noid
I just think some of the things they dig up are interesting. And sometimes the customers who have garbage but continue to insist that it's priceless even after being told by the on-call experts that it's junk are hilarious.
But like I said, I'm most bothered by the fact they're moving artifacts for the private collector market THAT BELONG IN MUSEUMS.
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What cracks me up the most about that show is the simple fact that most of them are selling items for money to gamble with. But yes, they rip everyone off.
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How, when and where did they rip somebody off? Where did they deceive a seller?
Not that I'm a fan or a supporter of pawn shops. Most around here look like the stockroom of some fence. I remember a number of months back just visiting one out of curiosity and they had like 6 Garmin Nuvis with no cables or mounting brackets...lol.
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I just think some of the things they dig up are interesting. And sometimes the customers who have garbage but continue to insist that it's priceless even after being told by the on-call experts that it's junk are hilarious.
But like I said, I'm most bothered by the fact they're moving artifacts for the private collector market THAT BELONG IN MUSEUMS.
Your right Saxman , some of that stuff should be in a museum . I see what you are saying . The only reason these place's stay open is for the crack head's and people that don't have a grip on there gambling .
Watch the show rogwar , it speek's for it's self .
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Your right Saxman , some of that stuff should be in a museum . I see what you are saying . The only reason these place's stay open is for the dope head's and people that don't have a grip on there gambling .
Watch the show rogwar , it speek's for it's self .
Saxman has been watching Indiana Jones too much :neener:
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For the most part I don't feel bad at all about them "ripping people off" If they need the money so badly to gamble then they deserve it. And as far as the people not knowing what thier items are worth, that's their fault as well the internet is only a click away.
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Watch the show rogwar , it speek's for it's self .
I watch the show. Buying something for 50% to 60% of the value to sell later at retail is good business practice.
Ripoff implies deception. I don't remember any specific episodes of them deceiving anybody.
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You got to give them credit there rogwar . They just flat out tell you they are ripping you off and the people are to dam dumb to know better .
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A lot of the stuff ya see people sell on there ought be in private auction or something....they don't seem to grasp the fact that if pawn shop owner gives them what it's WORTH, he can't make any money reselling it
<edit: ya ever notice that Rick has a 'buddy' in practically EVERY bizarre type of relic/technical/document/EVERYthing trade?
"Hmm...Ming Dynasty vase...I have a buddy who specializes in 650-700 AD southern China antiques"...>
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I watch the show. Buying something for 50% to 60% of the value to sell later at retail is good business practice.
Ripoff implies deception. I don't remember any specific episodes of them deceiving anybody.
They ARE pretty up front about why they're not buying it for the retail value. Several times the owner has flat-out told customers he has to be able to make money on an item, and I can't fault him for that at all, as that IS the purpose of any business, and that's his livelihood. Practically speaking, he can't exactly sell an item for higher than its retail value, so he can't buy it from the customer for that amount. He also has to work within the limits of demand. If there's just not a demand for an item. It's simple, free market economics.
Saxman has been watching Indiana Jones too much :neener:
So? :neener:
I can't remember how many times one of his experts comes in to evaluate an item and they've said, "Oh my god, I haven't even seen one in this good of a condition in a museum!"
Something like those Soviet shuttle launch keys they had on belong in the Smithsonian, not some private collector's vault
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One more thing about pawn shops . How can they get away with charging people 30% on a loan when no one else can , like credit card's , banks and so on . That's a rip off right there .
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One more thing about pawn shops . How can they get away with charging people 30% on a loan when no one else can , like credit card's , banks and so on . That's a rip off right there .
Not sure about that one but it's probably got something to due with the odds of someone defaulting on said loan.
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One more thing about pawn shops . How can they get away with charging people 30% on a loan when no one else can , like credit card's , banks and so on . That's a rip off right there .
I personally don't like that whole industry along with payday loans etc. Yet it exists because of supply and demand and is not illegal. But I believe that area of business is a separate topic.
Saxman pretty much summed up what I was going to post. Just imagine yourself in a buy/resale business. How much would you pay for items to resale when it might sit on the shelf for months or years? In addition the retail price listed on those items is nothing more than your best guess as to what it would sell for or what a customer is going to negotiate.
Ripoffs, deception and all sorts of shady stuff likely exist in various pawn businesses.
With regard to the Pawn Stars program, I cannot recall anything that seemed like a ripoff or deception.
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They bring in appraisers that tell the people what their stuff is worth. I've seen guys walk in the door thnking their stuff is worth a few hundred dollars and walk out with thousands.
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When selling things, you can get fast money or good money. If you want to make a lot of money when selling your car, what do you do? You have it appraised, get it clean, pretty it up, then you will usually look for a proper car-selling magazine to take out an ad. That's time consuming, but will net you a lot more cash. If you want fast money, you go out front, snap a couple pictures on your cell phone, and put it on craigslist. Same concept with a pawn shop. If you REALLY want money for those objects, you'll research them, get them appraised, and look for a proper auction house to sell them. If you want cash to go gamble or to get that quick drug fix, you go to a pawn shop. You know you're going to get less money, but you can sell stuff that is PROBABLY stolen, and you can sell it fast.
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My last trip to a pawn shop was very disappointing and a bit embarassing. I went in there looking for, well, some pawns. :uhoh
It turned out ok though, I walked out with 3 guns and the keys to a Russian space shuttle so it's all good.
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I personally don't like that whole industry along with payday loans etc. Yet it exists because of supply and demand and is not illegal. But I believe that area of business is a separate topic.
Saxman pretty much summed up what I was going to post. Just imagine yourself in a buy/resale business. How much would you pay for items to resale when it might sit on the shelf for months or years? In addition the retail price listed on those items is nothing more than your best guess as to what it would sell for or what a customer is going to negotiate.
Ripoffs, deception and all sorts of shady stuff likely exist in various pawn businesses.
With regard to the Pawn Stars program, I cannot recall anything that seemed like a ripoff or deception.
Here in VA, the govt decided to protect poor people from themselves, and vastly limited what the payday load places were allowed to do, which made it impractical for the vast % of them to stay in business, so most of em shut down. Oddlly enough, creating a brand new batch of unemployed, poor people
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My last trip to a pawn shop was very disappointing and a bit embarassing. I went in there looking for, well, some pawns. :uhoh
It turned out ok though, I walked out with 3 guns and the keys to a Russian space shuttle so it's all good.
LOL
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My own personal experience is that I troll through pawn shops at least once a week just before, during and immediately after hunting season ends. This past March I picked up a Ruger Mark 77 .280 with a Burris Euro Diamond 3x12x50 illuminated reticle scope....grand total cash money out the door was $800. Just the rifle goes out the door of most places WHEN you can locate one for between $600 and $800 without the scope; the scope itself has a list price for the 2010 model of over $1100. So I think I found a hell of a deal.
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Everyone is a critic. :neener: :lol :banana:
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Oh you can get good deal's in a pawn shop because they don't give any thing for it . I bet they don't have 200 buck's in that gun you just got .
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<edit: ya ever notice that Rick has a 'buddy' in practically EVERY bizarre type of relic/technical/document/EVERYthing trade?
"Hmm...Ming Dynasty vase...I have a buddy who specializes in 650-700 AD southern China antiques"...>
Lol.... I say that every time that show is on.... Dude has his tentacles everywhere, although I'm not convinced on many of their "expert" status.
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They bring in appraisers that tell the people what their stuff is worth. I've seen guys walk in the door thnking their stuff is worth a few hundred dollars and walk out with thousands.
Yep.
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"How much is this Ancient Egyptian relic found in King Tut's tomb? It is pure gold with jems and was found right next to the Pharoh."
"$5, and I don't even feel comfortable going that high."
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Saxman has been watching Indiana Jones too much :neener:
:rofl
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I think most people who have watched the show with regularity can honestly say that not everyone in that shop rips people off (on camera).
Whereas the old man is cheap and Cory is almost smug (and rips people off), Rick (the father) strikes me as a fair businessman (or at least as fair as you can be in the pawn business and do well). I've seen him offer thousands more than the customer originally asked (on some faberge doodah). He's negotiating for a good price, sure, but he's much more malleable and fair than the other two. Corey or the old man, by contrast, would take the customer's outrageously low asking price and run with it.
Now, does he do this when the cameras are off? I don't know. I do know that if I walked into the store and had to choose between the three, I'd want to do business with the father.
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I watch the show for Chumlee's little golden nuggets of comedy.
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Saxman has been watching Indiana Jones too much :neener:
Warhead beat me to it!
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You can tell how a town/city is doing by the number of pawn shops within town limits. I don't like the vast majority of them, they literally make money off the misery and hardship of most people.
That said, I like the show but I still feel sympathy for some of the clientele.
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<edit: ya ever notice that Rick has a 'buddy' in practically EVERY bizarre type of relic/technical/document/EVERYthing trade?
"Hmm...Ming Dynasty vase...I have a buddy who specializes in 650-700 AD southern China antiques"...>
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this perfectly captures the show.
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this perfectly captures the show.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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F@#k Them and there show ! I like the PICKERS way better ...Now that's two good guy's and a good show . I have had to deal with pawn shops most of my life . My fathers brother stole from us all the time and that's the first place he would go and when I would have to go get my guns and stuff I found out that the guy's would give like $30 buck's for my BAR 270 and would charge me 100 to get it back . I wish them and the title loan company's should be shut down and I think the law would if it was not for the fact that the cops use them to catch the persons doing the stealling .
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I wonder how angry people get when they watch the show and realize how badly the fatboys have ripped them off.
I can't stand those smug dweebs.
<S> Melvin
Beat me by 30 secs Flench lol
From what I understand, they dont show Pawn Stars over there. Can you imagine the amounts of people that would be coming through there if they knew that they could be on tv.
Also, had a friend go to Vegas, he tried asking around to see where the Pawn Stars pawn shop was. Everyone thought he was crazy.
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.... another reality show on what used to be the History channel.
They can keep the H and start calling it the Hocking channel.
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I love the show, but i am amazed at the stupidity of some of these people who come in there.
"Well, I got this thing, i have no idea what its worth or what it is, so what will you give me for it?"
Good thing they are ethical, like that stupid woman who brought in the fabrege jewels and wanted 100 bucks for it, when it was worth 30,000.
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F@#k Them and there show ! I like the PICKERS way better ...Now that's two good guy's and a good show . I have had to deal with pawn shops most of my life . My fathers brother stole from us all the time and that's the first place he would go and when I would have to go get my guns and stuff I found out that the guy's would give like $30 buck's for my BAR 270 and would charge me 100 to get it back . I wish them and the title loan company's should be shut down and I think the law would if it was not for the fact that the cops use them to catch the persons doing the stealling .
Now this is funny.
Pickers and Pawn Stars are in exactly the same type business, except Pickers do not loan money. Both are trying to buy an item at the lowest possible price and sell it at the highest possible price.
What is even funnier, Pickers goes and finds their victims, I mean customers, where in Pawn Stars, the victim, I mean customers, actually walk into their store. :headscratch:
Fred
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You can tell how a town/city is doing by the number of pawn shops within town limits. I don't like the vast majority of them, they literally make money off the misery and hardship of most people.
That said, I like the show but I still feel sympathy for some of the clientele.
Might want to include Doctors, Lawyers, Car Mechanics, Plumbers, Air Conditioning repair, and the list goes on. They all make money off other peoples misery.
Fred
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I love the show, but i am amazed at the stupidity of some of these people who come in there.
"Well, I got this thing, i have no idea what its worth or what it is, so what will you give me for it?"
Good thing they are ethical, like that stupid woman who brought in the fabrege jewels and wanted 100 bucks for it, when it was worth 30,000.
Ding, ding, ding. The man deserves a cigar.
A person cannot be "ripped off" if they are informed. One can only be "ripped off" if one allows one's self to be. It is a PAWN SHOP. Not an auction house, museum, K-mart, etc. If you try to sell something you own, without knowing it's true worth, you are just plain foolish. In addition, expecting "retail", "auction" or "market" value of an item you are trying to pawn or sell at a PAWN SHOP is ludicrous. They are not there to be nice, charitable or "break even" The sole purpose is to make money. Bottom line. End of story.
There is no deception involved, and every customer has the right to say "NO, I can't accept that price". There is no law restricting the making of money off of others misery, stupidity, impatience, etc. if the transaction is conducted in a legal, honest manner.
In addition, if any one of the individuals on this BBS was in the business of buying/selling a wide variety of items and has been doing it for 20-30 years, you also would made friends/acquaintances with many other folks who are much more knowledgeable about specific items. It would be foolish to not do so.
If you are looking to get a fair value for an item you are looking to sell, here is a small tidbit... DO NOT GO TO A PAWN SHOP. Simple, elegant, effective.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Anyone dumb enough to go to a pawn shop isnt getting ripped off, they are getting what they deserve.
I have never met anyone but total losers who use pawn shops.
The show is interesting.
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Buying there is not too bad. Selling there is a pass time off thieves I believe.
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Might want to include Doctors, Lawyers, Car Mechanics, Plumbers, Air Conditioning repair, and the list goes on. They all make money off other peoples misery.
No matter how much money you have or how affluent your community is, you need Doctors, car mechanics, plumbers, HVAC techs, and yea, even lawyers unfortuantely.
You don't need pawn shops, they look for people down on their luck and sell to those that aren't. It is the very nature of the beast.
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No matter how much money you have or how affluent your community is, you need Doctors, car mechanics, plumbers, HVAC techs, and yea, even lawyers unfortuantely.
You don't need pawn shops, they look for people down on their luck and sell to those that aren't. It is the very nature of the beast.
The affluent don't need pawn shops, but the poor do. When you can't get a loan on credit, you need to have collateral. Pawn shops serve a useful and necessary purpose and help the poor get by.
Perhaps some do it in a sleezy way, but an unintended consequence of over-regulation to correct that may be to reduce their numbers. Unfortunately, they are only useful to the needy if they are within walking distance.
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OMG new Idea......
Porta Pawn..... give us a call, we'll come to you!
Now it is a cross between both shows....... History Channel you can contact me though my agent on the boards.
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One more thing about pawn shops . How can they get away with charging people 30% on a loan when no one else can , like credit card's , banks and so on . That's a rip off right there .
40 years ago 30% was called loan sharking. Today it is just called banking. :aok
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I wish them and the title loan company's should be shut down and I think the law would if it was not for the fact that the cops use them to catch the persons doing the stealling .
Hell around here in this part of Ohio most of the pawn shops are partially or completely owned by the police.
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No matter how much money you have or how affluent your community is, you need Doctors, car mechanics, plumbers, HVAC techs, and yea, even lawyers unfortuantely.
You don't need pawn shops, they look for people down on their luck and sell to those that aren't. It is the very nature of the beast.
We will start with you don't need a car mechanic because you can walk, you don't need a plumber because you can always dig a hole, though you may violate some laws. :D You also do not need HVAC techs, or even lawyers. Life can continue without any of these services. Now, for the doctor, one can also do without a doctor, though one could die from some illness, but then again a home remedy may also heal one.
My point is many professions provide services based on others bad luck, or whatever. No one is forced to walk into a Pawn Shop. In my life I have never pawned or sold any item to a Pawn Shop. I have purchased a number of items from them though. I just don't see why one would be so against the business. If you get a loan from one, the interest rate, and all other conditions are in writing. If one does not read the conditions of obtaining the loan, then shame on them. If one does not like the contract, then they are free to walk away. I have never heard of someone being forced to pawn an item because the Pawn Shop owner had a gun to their head. Though someone will probably Google it and find one instance where is has happened. :lol
The bottom line is if you don't like the service, don't do business with them. I don't see any reason to bash the business.
My Opinion
Fred
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Hell around here in this part of Ohio most of the pawn shops are partially or completely owned by the police.
If I remember correctly, a Law Enforcement Officer can not be owner or part owner of a Pawn Shop in Texas. They also can not own a bar, or business where the majority of the income comes from the sale of liquor. There are some ways around it like having it all in the wife's name, but the officer's name can not be on the paper work.
Fred
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That entire family genetic code is fubar.
Chumlee is version 4, and kids, its not getting any better. :rock
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That entire family genetic code is fubar.
Chumlee is version 4, and kids, its not getting any better. :rock
You got that right , lol . After the old man and son dies Chumlee will probably put the business and all on red and say oh I got this one , lol .
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The bottom line is if you don't like the service, don't do business with them. I don't see any reason to bash the business.
My hometown is a good example, the home of Pratt and Whitney in Connecticut. When Pratt was doing well and military contracts were plentiful, the town did well. When the Cold War ended, so did many of the contracts and the town all but died. We never had any pawn shops in town, but gradually we had one, then two. Now the town has 8 of them as the town continues to decline.
I'm more than happy to bash them and I won't do business with them either. The last time I was in one was to take a picture of stolen merchandise that still had price tags on it from a retail store.
I don't know what kind of pawn shops you have in your area, but we have some real scumbags.
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I think it is funny, I mean if you really want to sell something just get on ebay. :rolleyes:
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I never saw anyone get ripped off on the show. They're just trying to make a profit, simple as that. You can't keep a store afloat if you buy items for retail price.
Sure, there's plenty of people who should have found some place else to sell their item, but that's their own damn problem. From what I've seen, the pawn stars are usually pretty good about informing ignorant customers of the value of the item, at least on camera.
Like that guy that walked in with a gold bar from a shipwreck. Dummy didn't even know the price of gold and was amazed that this giant chunk of gold was worth thousands. Then it turned out to be shipwreck gold which doubled the price. Lucky him. :rolleyes:
It's amazing how many people can't even look something up on the internet, but hey, that's why these guys make the big bucks. I don't blame them for capitalizing on it. I blame the dumb people for not making an effort to get something appraised and sold elsewhere.
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pawn shops ripping off people? really? :rofl
how about any sort of department store or any store in general? Black friday, 70% off... but guess what they still are making serious money off the items as they were probably marked up 300+% in the first place...
and for complaining about items being in personal collections... should every warbird that is flying now be handed over to museums because the average joe cant own one?
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I have a father who is a flight attendant, and he makes many trips to Las Vegas. We have watched the show many times, and he decided to talk a walk down to the pawn shop. He described it as being much smaller than it appears to be on T.V, and he also said the line to get in was around the block. I guess there doing pretty well. :)
He asked around and apparently the cast of the show rarely makes an appearance, they usually have other staff running the shop. The show is very entertaining and a good watch though. :)
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My hometown is a good example, the home of Pratt and Whitney in Connecticut. When Pratt was doing well and military contracts were plentiful, the town did well. When the Cold War ended, so did many of the contracts and the town all but died. We never had any pawn shops in town, but gradually we had one, then two. Now the town has 8 of them as the town continues to decline.
I'm more than happy to bash them and I won't do business with them either. The last time I was in one was to take a picture of stolen merchandise that still had price tags on it from a retail store.
I don't know what kind of pawn shops you have in your area, but we have some real scumbags.
Years ago I had a Auto Repair Shop fleece me on a repair job on one of my cars. I guess I need to blast every repair shop in my town for the deed that they did. There are corrupt individuals in every business and profession. Pawn Dealers are no exception. That doesn't mean they all are criminals.
If you have a Pawn Shop so openly dealing in stolen merchandise, then instead of taking pictures contacting your local Police Department may be the way to go. I believe here in Texas a police officer can place any item on hold in a pawn shop that is suspected of being stolen merchandise. In some cases they can actually seize the item on the spot. I can not believe the laws are that much difference in Connecticut. If you come back and tell me the police are in cahoots with the shop, then with that much corruption in your town, I would have to do some serious thinking about my future.
I guess I have had my say in this, I don't want to sound like a defender for the Pawn Profession. I have a couple in my area, and on occasion I go in to check out the tools and such. I can live with or without them, Home Depot is just down the street. :D
My Opinion
Fred
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Is this game expanding.... Bish, Knights, Rooks, and now Pawns??? :lol
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Pawn Stars is the Antique Roadshow for the type of person to
whom Hee-Haw would have been their Masterpiece Theater.
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My Grandparents loved Heehaw.
Every Saturday night was Heehaw then Paul Bosch and Houston Wrestling.
.... BR-549
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He asked around and apparently the cast of the show rarely makes an appearance, they usually have other staff running the shop. The show is very entertaining and a good watch though. :)
My daughter has just recently been involved in the reality TV show world & has some in sight on some of the shows that are on.
Most of the shows the cast get paid virtually nothing for the first season,however if a second is scheduled & gets to air & so on for the following seasons the pay day just gets a lot higher per show.
So most likely the store is no longer the bread winner for those guys in terms of merchandise moving through it.
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Years ago I had a Auto Repair Shop fleece me on a repair job on one of my cars. I guess I need to blast every repair shop in my town for the deed that they did. There are corrupt individuals in every business and profession. Pawn Dealers are no exception. That doesn't mean they all are criminals.
If you have a Pawn Shop so openly dealing in stolen merchandise, then instead of taking pictures contacting your local Police Department may be the way to go. I believe here in Texas a police officer can place any item on hold in a pawn shop that is suspected of being stolen merchandise. In some cases they can actually seize the item on the spot. I can not believe the laws are that much difference in Connecticut. If you come back and tell me the police are in cahoots with the shop, then with that much corruption in your town, I would have to do some serious thinking about my future.
I guess I have had my say in this, I don't want to sound like a defender for the Pawn Profession. I have a couple in my area, and on occasion I go in to check out the tools and such. I can live with or without them, Home Depot is just down the street. :D
My Opinion
Fred
All auto repair shops will rip you off. Very rarely there's one that is honest.
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