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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on November 28, 2010, 03:19:18 PM
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How is this guy still alive? If he'd done this to Russia or China we know that outcome and they'd be very unapologetic.
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The diplomatic leaks? They're more entertaining than anything. I really can't imagine any really strain from it, from what I've seen it's high school gossip level stuff. Some of it's pretty good, actually.
'In late 2008 the Moscow embassy wired back about the relationship between Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev and the prime minister, Vladimir Putin, remarking that Medvedev, officially the senior partner, "plays Robin to Putin's Batman". '
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/cad42dd4.jpg)
"da na na na
na na na na
PU-TIN!
Holy Gazprom, Putin! The evil Kasparov is on the loose!
To the Slavmobile, Medvedev!
da na na na
na na na na
PU-TIN!"
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this... is... interesting...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3991113,00.html
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another interesting story.....
Turkey is supporting terrorists in Iraq, while US is supporting what Turkey considers a terrorist organization (PPK?)
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How is this guy still alive? If he'd done this to Russia or China we know that outcome and they'd be very unapologetic.
Cuz killing him can't give US anything except bad press. He is just a puppet, documents will see daylight anyway. It's well played and aimed to weak value of $$$
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another interesting story.....
Turkey is supporting terrorists in Iraq, while US is supporting what Turkey considers a terrorist organization (PPK?)
PKK? (Kurdish Worker's Party)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/PKK_Members_Kurdistan.jpg)
Oppressed minority/Socialist organization, not exactly surprising that the US would support it. IIRC having a separate Kurdistan (of the Kurdish parts of Iraq) was considered (at least by Kurds) when Iraq was still in major trouble.
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How is this guy still alive? If he'd done this to Russia or China we know that outcome and they'd be very unapologetic.
There apparently is quite a bit of russian stuff in there, some about putin, I don't think his chances of making it to Christmas are good.
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[ and quote author=Vulcan link=topic=301110.msg3859898#msg3859898 date=1290987032]
There apparently is quite a bit of russian stuff in there, some about putin, I don't think his chances of making it to Christmas are good.
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Correct, and Russian officials gave him some very stern warnings. I'm absolutely amazed they haven't silenced him yet. Last I heard he was seeking asylum in Switzerland.
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My opinion on Assange and those that advocate his (un)timely death coincide with those expressed by this author:
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2010/11/17/does-julian-assange-deserve-to-die/
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Perhaps, he's been given these documents by the government to make those wars look bad.
Perhaps, the authorization for this came from a higher source than some random dude at the DOD.
Perhaps, he should have done the decent thing and not put this crap out while our soldiers are deployed IN those areas.
Perhaps, he should just know better than to try and seek 'fame' in whistle blowing and told his 'source' to grow a pair and release them himself.
I don't think he should die, I just think he's a sh*&#y citizen.
Now the 'source' who did... That's debatable.
People should think of the safety of our deployed troops and just hold their decent for when they are home. Last thing one of our boys needs to see on the news is how people think he's a murderer and just a lapdog to a oil hungry nation. Think he's gonna be able to focus on his safety and those around him with all those thoughts going through his head? I sure wouldn't.
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He's not a US citizen...
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He's not a US citizen...
Well then. My answer doesn't change. Why kill him? He didn't leak it. He shouldn't be a sh*%#y human... lol. Thanks for the correction. I didn't bother paying attention to anything to do with him.
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story so far...
German Chancellor Angela Merkel = "Teflon" politician"
French President Nicolas Sarkozy = “emperor with no clothes"
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad = Hitler
Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is "driven by paranoia"
also...
Putin wasn’t quite the strongman portrayed in the West — little hold over the huge and largely unaccountable, post-Soviet bureaucracy.
North Korea was able to smuggle 19 advanced, Russian-designed missiles, capable of delivering nuclear payloads... to Iran :eek:
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Well then. My answer doesn't change. Why kill him? He didn't leak it. He shouldn't be a sh*%#y human... lol. Thanks for the correction. I didn't bother paying attention to anything to do with him.
I agree. When did we last assassinate a journalist for spreading leaked information? Is that really a power we want in the hands of our government? If this information is embarrassing to our government who's at fault, the man who leaked it or the nitwits who created the embarrassing info in the first place? Kissingeresque realpolitik is inviable in the information age and it is about time we adapt.
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tbh assange is doing you a favour. If wikileaks got their hands on the info imagine who else has it. This asks big questions about your intelligence infrastrcures security (or total lack of).
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Thoughts on the whole WikiLeaks thing I posted at another site:
I'm sorry, but this is NOT information that should have been released. It's potentially dangerous to numerous individuals, and is damaging to more than just US interests. From what has been posted on various news reports, this has implications between MULTIPLE governing bodies world-wide.
Government cannot, nor SHOULD it, be completely transparent. It's far more accurate to say that government should be TRANSLUCENT. There are some matters and dealings that should NOT be public knowledge. The Cuban Missile Crisis was largely resolved by just that sort of back channel negotiation and bargaining that WikiLeaks would have exposed. If the details of the agreement that led to the Soviets withdrawing their missiles from Cuba had been known to the public at the time, the outcry would have almost CERTAINLY killed the deal outright and we would have continued teetering on the edge of fully nuclear World War III, if not tipped over the balance point entirely.
The withholding of sensitive information does not, nor does it ever, conflict with freedom of information. There are some things the public does NOT need to know. We are NOT entitled to every little dealing of the government, particularly when that knowledge compromises the SECURITY AND SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES.
To release such information just because one individual believes it should be freely available to everyone is defending NOTHING. It's irresponsible and the most extreme sort of arrogance.
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I won't be surprised if the CIA (in background of course), and KGB work together on this target. Target? Yes that's what wiki chief is now IMO.
Of course it would be "an accident", and who would question? Many, most not out loud.
<S> Oz
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I won't be surprised if the CIA (in background of course), and KGB work together on this target. Target? Yes that's what wiki chief is now IMO.
Of course it would be "an accident", and who would question? Many, most not out loud.
<S> Oz
Our guys won't touch him. The higher ups have their hands tied to the point of impotence, I believe.
However, some patriot in the chain of command might know a guy in a foreign service that (perhaps for a few dollars) may find this character unlikeable enough to snuff out. I seriously doubt that anyone would miss him.
<S> Melvin
Edit: Actually quite a few people would miss him. (Can't go there for the politics.) Just think of the conspiracy theories that would start flying if this idiot slips :banana: and breaks his neck.
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The US doesn't do the death penalty for traitors anymore. The powers that be are afraid they may upset the traitors in our country.
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Why exactly did a military guy have access to all these Department of State communications. I thought they had their own communication channels and he would not have access to them. Is there another source of the leaks?
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Comment i saw somewhere else: "Its like the entire federal government is going through the equivalent of the TSA full body scanner"
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good point - a PFC has unlimited access to unencrypted Secret communications. :headscratch:
apparently about 2.5m people currently have legitimate access to this database ...
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The US doesn't do the death penalty for traitors anymore. The powers that be are afraid they may upset the traitors in our country.
+1
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lol and the world loves us more and more everyday :rofl
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What would murdering Assange achieve? Wikileaks is a global organisation with hundreds if not thousands of journalists (I see some people still thinks he's an American and a "traitor"). Making him the "martyr of information freedom" achieves what? Proving them right perhaps? Should we also kill the editors of all the newspapers who publish this information like the Guardian in the UK?
Kill the source, not the messenger.
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What would murdering Assange achieve? Wikileaks is a global organisation with hundreds if not thousands of journalists (I see some people still thinks he's an American and a "traitor"). Making him the "martyr of information freedom" achieves what? Proving them right perhaps? Should we also kill the editors of all the newspapers who publish this information like the Guardian in the UK?
Kill the source, not the messenger.
Did someone say murder?
:rofl
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another interesting story.....
Turkey is supporting terrorists in Iraq, while US is supporting what Turkey considers a terrorist organization (PPK?)
I suggest you check your facts a little bit more carefully. The PPK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States, UN, EU and NATO.
Murat Karayilan, the military commander of the armed wing of the PPK, has even admitted that PPK forces attacked and killed several US troops in northern Iraq.
ack-ack
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Why exactly did a military guy have access to all these Department of State communications. I thought they had their own communication channels and he would not have access to them. Is there another source of the leaks?
The "State Department" emails are different from the papers and documents leaked by the Pvt. currently being held in jail. He didn't leak the State Deparment stuff, someone else has.
ack-ack
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The problem as I see it is there is really no point in releasing the information other than "Look at me. Look what I have".
He's not trying to right any wrongs, he just seems to be stirring the pot.
Everyone wants to be a Woodward and Bernstein. Wikileaks isn't.
wrongway
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... but they are doing a woodstein, just in a much more scattergun way - amongst all the rubbish they have released direct evidence that the coalition's movers and shakers have been consistently lying about operations in afghanistan and iraq. lying to the same people that voted for them, the same people whose name they are waging these campaigns in and lying to the people who are paying for their interventionist adventures in terms of taxation and much more importantly in lost and broken lives.
whether you think this kind of foreign policy is a good or a bad idea is a judgement call, but we should at least be able to base our opinions on facts, not on lies.
exposing hypocrisy is one of the few genuinely usefuly functions journalism serves, and this qualifies in my book.
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The problem as I see it is there is really no point in releasing the information other than "Look at me. Look what I have".
He's not trying to right any wrongs, he just seems to be stirring the pot.
Everyone wants to be a Woodward and Bernstein. Wikileaks isn't.
wrongway
I don't know if it's that so much as Wikileaks just doesn't filter anything- they just publish whatever gets leaked to them.
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... but they are doing a woodstein, just in a much more scattergun way - amongst all the rubbish they have released direct evidence that the coalition's movers and shakers have been consistently lying about operations in afghanistan and iraq. lying to the same people that voted for them, the same people whose name they are waging these campaigns in and lying to the people who are paying for their interventionist adventures in terms of taxation and much more importantly in lost and broken lives.
whether you think this kind of foreign policy is a good or a bad idea is a judgement call, but we should at least be able to base our opinions on facts, not on lies.
exposing hypocrisy is one of the few genuinely usefuly functions journalism serves, and this qualifies in my book.
Wiki is not journalism.... it's just a threat to national security for any nation. I would call it a terrorist group since they thrive in assisting terrorism in any way possible.
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There were no shocking revelations. Everything is just as most people think it is: people in all counties who want to rule over others are corrupt, lying, sniveling little roaches who scurry for cover when the light goes on.
The world is a joke. The important things in life, like family and friends. They are all that matter. In the last moments of life, no one thinks about the "world" or politics.
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Wiki is not journalism.... it's just a threat to national security for any nation. I would call it a terrorist group since they thrive in assisting terrorism in any way possible.
Comon, all they're doing is showing you the info the terrorists most likely already had last year. Do you really think wikileaks got exclusive access to this info?
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Although I think the release of these documents are all about Assange's ego, and if it did anything at all, it may have potentially harmed the US and their troops, which isn't good. As it has been stated before, in an unintended way, Assange did us a favor, if its this easy for his organization to get the docs, imagine how easy it is for a potentially hostile foreign government, or terrorist group. If anything, it will hopefully do 2 things...
1) encourage the US government to try harder at being secretive, unless it intended for these docs to get released...
2) maybe make politicians less inclined to make global lies costing thousands of lives because the fear that the could be called out and caught red handed by leaked documents that state the contrary.
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I wouldn't stand too close to the guy in open spaces or near a window.
:noid
I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes.
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this latest round of leaks actually kind of blows up in the face of Assange. It is widely believed he released these latest documents to try and prevent what he thinks is an impending military action against Iran by the US by showing how the US is being driven by the Israelis to act. The leaks instead show that the Arab countries are the ones that are by far the largest group trying to get the US to take immediate action and are more threatened by the prospect of a nuclear armed Iran and forcing a nuclear arms race than the Israelis are. The leaks hav also showed that Iran has no intent on negotiating. If anything, these leaks give more incentive to support military action to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons and that the Arabs (except Lebenon and Syria) would support the US 100%, heck, they'd even let Israel fly through their airspace if Israeli's were going to bomb the nuclear facilities.
ack-ack
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this latest round of leaks actually kind of blows up in the face of Assange. It is widely believed he released these latest documents to try and prevent what he thinks is an impending military action against Iran by the US by showing how the US is being driven by the Israelis to act. The leaks instead show that the Arab countries are the ones that are by far the largest group trying to get the US to take immediate action and are more threatened by the prospect of a nuclear armed Iran and forcing a nuclear arms race than the Israelis are. The leaks hav also showed that Iran has no intent on negotiating. If anything, these leaks give more incentive to support military action to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons and that the Arabs (except Lebenon and Syria) would support the US 100%, heck, they'd even let Israel fly through their airspace if Israeli's were going to bomb the nuclear facilities.
ack-ack
Yeah, or the 19 nuclear warhead capable missiles delivered to Iran by NK, that really has me errked and wondering why we are letting them get away with that.... seems like a better reason (and more proof of it needing to be done) to go takeout a couple cans of trash than the poor excuse given to us over why we invaded Iraq.
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The world is a joke. The important things in life, like family and friends. They are all that matter. In the last moments of life, no one thinks about the "world" or politics.
word :cheers:
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Wiki is not journalism.... it's just a threat to national security for any nation. I would call it a terrorist group since they thrive in assisting terrorism in any way possible.
Wikileaks is an international non-profit organisation owned by The Sunshine Press and administrated by hundreds of journalist from all over the world. Journalists who work at news media corporations all over the world, including America. The news media is the "fourth estate" of the modern democratic world and essential to keep governments transparent and honest.
If Wikileaks didn't exist the "whistle blower" would just have given the documents to another international news organisation like Reuters or AP. Kill the source, not the messenger.
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forget yesterday's leaks
this one is gonna be EXPLOSIVE! (http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/exclusive-wikileaks-will-unveil-major-bank-scandal/)
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forget yesterday's leaks
this one is gonna be EXPLOSIVE! (http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/exclusive-wikileaks-will-unveil-major-bank-scandal/)
I think many people suspected this was going on, if its what we think it will contain, it will provide some 'proof' to all the financial-deregulation proponents, have forgotten the lessons learned from the early 1930s and the many violent economic swings prior.
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i hope this become real :pray
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/249870
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641
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i hope this become real :pray
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/249870
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641
Yeah, I read that earlier today too. If china became our alley, wow that would be awesome.
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Apparently there is a leak about our forthcoming B29 and a grand piano for our WWI officers mess :old:
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Wiki is not journalism.... it's just a threat to national security for any nation. I would call it a terrorist group since they thrive in assisting terrorism in any way possible.
Agreed.
What PFC Manning did can be summed up in one word: Treason
Assange? Espionage
It doesn't matter whose side they are batting for.
I like a good London Broil. I don't necessarily need to know the details of how the cattle is slaughtered before the meat makes it to my grill as long as it is safe for me to consume.
Folks like these are not making any friends.
Both should be dealt with accordingly.
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"I would come in with music on a CD-RW labeled with something like ‘Lady Gaga,’ erase the music then write a compressed split file,” he wrote. "No one suspected a thing and, odds are, they never will.”
" listened and lip-synced to Lady Gaga’s ‘Telephone’ while exfiltrating possibly the largest data spillage in American history,” he added later. ”Weak servers, weak logging, weak physical security, weak counter-intelligence, inattentive signal analysis … a perfect storm.”
Well, he was right. It was absolutely stupid for the DoD IT to be that lax about physical security. Computers that have access to such critical data should not have farking CD-ROM burners on them!
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Comon, all they're doing is showing you the info the terrorists most likely already had last year. Do you really think wikileaks got exclusive access to this info?
Do you think it would make this much noise if it was common knowledge?
Wikileaks is a terrorist organization and there are people calling for them to be considered that by the US government.
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Wikileaks is an international non-profit organisation owned by The Sunshine Press and administrated by hundreds of journalist from all over the world. Journalists who work at news media corporations all over the world, including America. The news media is the "fourth estate" of the modern democratic world and essential to keep governments transparent and honest.
If Wikileaks didn't exist the "whistle blower" would just have given the documents to another international news organisation like Reuters or AP. Kill the source, not the messenger.
Your dead wrong on just kill the source. Anyone assisting terrorism is nothing more than a terrorist themselves.
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Do you think it would make this much noise if it was common knowledge?
Wikileaks is a terrorist organization and there are people calling for them to be considered that by the US government.
That guy who is head of Wiki, somebody is going to finish him off.
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I dont understand why you guys think that Russia is any different then the united states nowdays on how we deal with stuff like this, there is no more KGB and we dont just kill anyone who gets in our way, this isnt the cold war, and we arnt communist anymore, we have the FSB now, which is more like the CIA, but they dont go around and make people who oppose the government "disapear"
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I dont understand why you guys think that Russia is any different then the united states nowdays on how we deal with stuff like this, there is no more KGB and we dont just kill anyone who gets in our way, this isnt the cold war, and we arnt communist anymore, we have the FSB now, which is more like the CIA, but they dont go around and make people who oppose the government "disapear"
ummm, would that be the same as killing them off, with the gov?
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See Rule #4
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i heard last night he's releasing info on the banks next as far as the home crisis, that should be interesting in the next few weeks