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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LCADolby on November 30, 2010, 11:58:46 AM
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Forgive me for posting this, but it caused some discussion last night between me and JUGgler via pm about this victory of mine.
So i thought I'd leave it to the pros of the forums to disect.
I took a screen dump at the moment I shot his stabilizer off to cause him to splash (This was at the end of a 2 and a half hour Alt R).
I, from his 8 oclock, ended up on his 6 as he slow turned hard right, shooting the stab off.
Aparently this is a HO, as shown by the chat box around 60 seconds later - including my reply in confusion.
(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww247/Glendinho/JUGglerHO.jpg?t=12911388199)
Call me crazy, but did i miss something? :headscratch:
Anyway it was fun flying against you JUGgler, (even the time when you Pilot wounded me from my 10 oclock and made run home passed out) :salute
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You defeated him. The whine is just a marker of poor sportsmanship.
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What did his front-end look like? Could there have been enough lag for him to get all the way around and pointed at you while your front-end showed the picture you posted?
Too many people are too quick to call "HO" to justify to themselves why they lost a fight. Sometimes they're right, but most often they are not.
As far as creating this post in the first place, I say "who cares" one way or another...I don't, so probably won't reply anymore.
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Fair dues Dot, but i made a promise to JUGgler i would share. :angel:
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Latency is a bugger.
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Maybe I'm not seing this correctly. The plane labelled "myself" looks like a Tempest. Yet Jugler is complaing about fighting a Brewster. Also the tracers do look like they track through JUGler's tail but are not tracking to the Temp, but look more like they are tracking to a plane out of frame. Is it possible you flew a Brew from a frontal pass and fired knocking his tail off, then continued out of frame where you performed a screen capture which included a different plane on JUGler's six o-clock in an attemp to pass it off as you?! [dramatic music]
:noid
"...back and to the left"
"...back and to the left"
:)
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Maybe I'm not seing this correctly. The plane labelled "myself" looks like a Tempest. Yet Jugler is complaing about fighting a Brewster. Also the tracers do look like the track through JUGler's tail but are not tracking to the Temp, but look more like they are tracking to a plane out of frame. Is it possible you flew a Brew from a frontal pass and fired knocking his tail off, then continued outof frame where you performed a screan capture which included a different plane on JUGler's six o-clock in an attemp to pass it off as you?! [dramatic music]
:noid
"...back and to the left"
"...back and to the left"
:)
or maybe he thought Dolby was in the Brew but really wasnt.......dun dun dah
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A kill is a kill, some get p.o (i do sometimes) some for different reasons, lots of kills, fighter sortie, perked plane, getting ganged and killed to much. Bottom line a kill is a kill
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or maybe he thought Dolby was in the Brew but really wasnt.......dun dun dah
But then the tracers taking his tail off in the picture would have to belong to a plane that didn't get credit for the kill. Dun Dun ...oh you get the idea.
"there's something rotten in the state of Denmark."
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A kill is a kill, some get p.o (i do sometimes) some for different reasons, lots of kills, fighter sortie, perked plane, getting ganged and killed to much. Bottom line a kill is a kill
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But then the tracers taking his tail off in the picture would have to belong to a plane that didn't get credit for the kill. Dun Dun ...oh you get the idea.
"there's something rotten in the state of Denmark."
What is that quote from "Back and to the left"......I want to say it was a will Smith movie for some reason
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A kill is a kill, some get p.o (i do sometimes) some for different reasons, lots of kills, fighter sortie, perked plane, getting ganged and killed to much. Bottom line a kill is a kill
yes but this got intersting because he posted a picture that doesn't support either story. :D
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What is that quote from "Back and to the left"......I want to say it was a will Smith movie for some reason
Oliver Stone's "JFK"
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But then the tracers taking his tail off in the picture would have to belong to a plane that didn't get credit for the kill. Dun Dun ...oh you get the idea.
"there's something rotten in the state of Denmark."
What if jugler wasn't killed at all but woke up to find he was in a game and got a new plane....... da da da duuuuuuuuuuu.........
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What is that quote from "Back and to the left"......I want to say it was a will Smith movie for some reason
I thought that refered to kennedy' head when he got shot.......
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What if jugler wasn't killed at all but woke up to find he was in a game and got a new plane....... da da da duuuuuuuuuuu.........
Jurys out on the pic, was the pic taken from a film or live shot? or was there a plane shooting from his high12 (ho shot) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw)
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Jurys out on the pic, was the pic taken from a film or live shot? or was there a plane shooting from his high12 (ho shot) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw)
like the dramatic Chipmunk. :lol
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I thought that refered to kennedy' head when he got shot.......
After the initial thrust forward his head did go back and to the left I believe.
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Dun Dun Daaa, From AH Film program. They are both D11's (not a TEMP) and the tracers are from my aircraft into his tail, they dont track fully due to the high speed and turning of my D11 and camera screenshot angle.
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Maybe a brew shot him earlier but he didn't like the Lager.
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Dun Dun Daaa, From AH Film program. They are both D11's (not a TEMP) and the tracers are from my aircraft into his tail, they dont track fully due to the high speed and turning of my D11 and camera screenshot angle. Also no lag.
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Maybe I'm not seing this correctly. The plane labelled "myself" looks like a Tempest. Yet Jugler is complaing about fighting a Brewster.
I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
ack-ack
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Looking at where your tracers are, this is not the time you fired or hit him. It is a few seconds latter. Just saying :old:
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Dun Dun Daaa, From AH Film program. They are both D11's (not a TEMP) and the tracers are from my aircraft into his tail, they dont track fully due to the high speed and turning of my D11 and camera screenshot angle.
Just post the fillm. 2.5 hours eh, how convenient lol. Just cut and post the last few seconds ;)
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:old: post the film :old:
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Why not post the entire film? Since you took the screenshot from the film, posting it will alleviate all doubts.
ack-ack
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This thread stinks of FAIL.
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I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
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I had left him alone to fight, while i went off to shoot down an F4U. I came back from that, and they were still buzzing down low, there was no other red thingys to shoot at so, I jumped in there like any good greenie would and filled him full of lead from his 6oclock position :D
Is helping out a fellow greenie a Head On... Is going away and fighting something else a Head On... Or was his face hitting the sea the Head On? Either way, I'm worried by how broad the definition of a Head On is when it's turned into one guy getting shot from behind. :salute
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Why not post the entire film? Since you took the screenshot from the film, posting it will alleviate all doubts.
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We know why ;) I fought Juggler in a LALA vs his 205 a few times last night and took shots more questionable than the one on the screen shot. All the guy said was <S> and are still out there.
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After the initial thrust forward his head did go back and to the left I believe.
I think he's thinking of a comedy called BioDome? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHT4R4Qi3g
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Locking Arena in 47 seconds......... ?
New Arenas are now available?
Totally a NEW DEFINITION!!!
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I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
nice catch :aok
soo Dolby ... did you ask the friendly brewster if he wanted you to end his fight by picking the jug he was fighting?
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nice catch :aok
soo Dolby ... did you ask the friendly brewster if he wanted you to end his fight by picking the jug he was fighting?
The quick and the dead :devil
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I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
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so basically he cleared the guys 12....... :noid
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so basically he cleared the guys 12....... :noid
yes hes a gang tard
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I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
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That's how i interpreted it. Jugler looks to complain he's turn fighting the overmodeled brewster! :D Seems someone comes in on his 11 o' clock to clear err pick him.
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Locking Arena in 47 seconds......... ?
New Arenas are now available?
Totally a NEW DEFINITION!!!
:old:
:rofl
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We know why ;) I fought Juggler in a LALA vs his 205 a few times last night and took shots more questionable than the one on the screen shot. All the guy said was <S> and are still out there.
JUGgler is a class act. The other day we were on opposing sides, both on the deck and each time we tried to engage 1v1, one of us would get someone trying to dive in and pick. If it happened to me, JUGgler would turn in the other direction and let me finish off the picker 1v1, if it happened to him, I did the same. By the time the skies were clear enough for both of us to engage 1v1, we were both low on fuel and ammo and had to RTB to fight 1v1 another day.
ack-ack
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Never had anything to say about JUGler but good stuff :aok
I second Ack Ack
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You and your buddy have amicable fights. Not my experience with the chap currently.
I even pm'd him and told him to have some class after the 'Dolby Head On lie' he put on 200.
Perhaps I'll allow the chap another chance after an uber post count guy uses the term Class Act and gets it seconded.
Still i'm disappointed a HO is now from the 8 and 6 oclock positions. I'll have to start hitting aircraft from the sides or the underbelly to avoid getting called out for HOing. I always thought it was 2 aircraft aimed at each other at 12 oclock.. silly me
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You and your buddy have amicable fights. Not my experience with the chap currently.
I even pm'd him and told him to have some class after the 'Dolby Head On lie' he put on 200.
Perhaps I'll allow the chap another chance after an uber post count guy uses the term Class Act and gets it seconded.
Still i'm disappointed a HO is now from the 8 and 6 oclock positions. I'll have to start hitting aircraft from the sides or the underbelly to avoid getting called out for HOing. I always thought it was 2 aircraft aimed at each other at 12 oclock.. silly me
You obviously dont get what is going on in your own thread now.
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I was there flying in the area at the same time, JUGgler was not fighting Dolby in a 1v1 fight, JUGgler was fighting a Brewster and I believe a couple of more planes when Dolby came in for the pick.
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Finally some clearity. Its obvious that more is going on here
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You and your buddy have amicable fights. Not my experience with the chap currently.
I even pm'd him and told him to have some class after the 'Dolby Head On lie' he put on 200.
Perhaps I'll allow the chap another chance after an uber post count guy uses the term Class Act and gets it seconded.
Still i'm disappointed a HO is now from the 8 and 6 oclock positions. I'll have to start hitting aircraft from the sides or the underbelly to avoid getting called out for HOing. I always thought it was 2 aircraft aimed at each other at 12 oclock.. silly me
I think it's obvious that when he died it said "dolby shot you down" and he thought you were the plane in front of him, the brew that may have been going for the HO, not the one behind him (since he was being enagaged by multiple cons ... aka ganged) when you picked him. I'll forgive him for not knowing which of the many bad guys it was that actually sent him to the tower.... it after all didn't say "dolby shot you down while flying a P-47"
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I think it's obvious that when he died it said "dolby shot you down" and he thought you were the plane in front of him, the brew that may have been going for the HO, not the one behind him (since he was being enagaged by multiple cons ... aka ganged) when you picked him. I'll forgive him for not knowing which of the many bad guys it was that actually sent him to the tower.... it after all didn't say "dolby shot you down while flying a P-47"
sounds close to me :aok Dolby you pinged him enough during your fight to get the kill regardless of who really killed him, the Brew might have ho'd him, so all he saw was Dolby Shot you down, i wouldnt worry about it :salute
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yes hes a gang tard
or possibly a pick tard/
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I think it's obvious that when he died it said "dolby shot you down" and he thought you were the plane in front of him, the brew that may have been going for the HO, not the one behind him (since he was being enagaged by multiple cons ... aka ganged) when you picked him. I'll forgive him for not knowing which of the many bad guys it was that actually sent him to the tower.... it after all didn't say "dolby shot you down while flying a P-47"
This is ....I'm sure...what happened. I know that it is very tuff to spot the 5th guy in and have thought that the guy HOin me at the time was the one who killed me. I now ask "Were you the xxx I was fighting?" before I blow up on them :devil
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This is ....I'm sure...what happened. I know that it is very tuff to spot the 5th guy in
In during the same engagement between JUGgler and Dolby, I was in my little own 4v1 and managed to get two, shot up a 3rd and the 4th augered and I managed to get away. I received a PM immediately afterwards from a Rookie asking why I ran from him after shooting up his engine. It turns out that the guy sending me a PM was the 5th guy in that I didn't see and I had managed to get a snap shot on him as he flew past trying to pick. Since he ran off right after he got damaged, I had no idea there was a 5th guy until the PM.
ack-ack
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I thought that refered to kennedy' head when he got shot.......
Ah...too young maybe they showed the clip in a movie and thatss where I saw it.
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I thought that refered to kennedy' head when he got shot.......
It's also a reference to the "spit" shot from Seinfeld.
ack-ack
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I think it's just fine to HO Turn Tards...
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Dun Dun Daaa, From AH Film program. They are both D11's (not a TEMP) and the tracers are from my aircraft into his tail, they dont track fully due to the high speed and turning of my D11 and camera screenshot angle.
I didn't know the JUG had a british paint scheme. my mystake.
BUT all this means is that the complaint by jug is a missunderstanding Right? H ethough the Brew he was fighting Ho'd him. And you posted as if you were the brew and he accused you of something you didn't do. Why didn't you just say, "I'm NOT the brew, I'm the 47 on your six you didn't see."
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Yep. Epic Fail. Get your story straight before you start coming in here maligning a player that many of us know and respect – it only back fires on you and makes you look like a dolt. Dolt.
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I didn't know the JUG had a british paint scheme. my mystake.
BUT all this means is that the complaint by jug is a missunderstanding Right? H ethough the Brew he was fighting Ho'd him. And you posted as if you were the brew and he accused you of something you didn't do. Why didn't you just say, "I'm NOT the brew, I'm the 47 on your six you didn't see."
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'cause that would be admitting that he picked.
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Nah he knew I was in the P47. Quite clear from the chatbox in the pic :aok
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Yep. Epic Fail. Get your story straight before you start coming in here maligning a player that many of us know and respect – it only back fires on you and makes you look like a dolt. Dolt.
Sunbat, the thing up for discussion was whether it was a HO or not, nothing more. People jumping at the wrong conclusions and yourself misinterpreting Does not make me look like a dolt, perhaps the reverse.
Screen shot shows a Head on or Not? :rolleyes:
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Nah he knew I was in the P47. Quite clear from the chatbox in the pic :aok
But you have yourself marked as the temp. But now you are claiming you are the jug?
Are you trying to cover up your FAIL with yet another FAIL?
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But you have yourself marked as the temp. But now you are claiming you are the jug?
Are you trying to cover up your FAIL with yet another FAIL?
FAIL on your part, both aircraft in the pic are P47 D11's.
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soo Dolby ... did you ask the friendly brewster if he wanted you to end his fight by picking the jug he was fighting?
That's what I was going to ask too! :aok
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After the initial thrust forward his head did go back and to the left I believe.
The debri cloud (blood, tissue, bone) is propelled forward. Anyone with any intrinsic knowledge of reality could see the shot came from behind.
The grassy knoll is pure fantasy BS
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I didn't know the JUG had a british paint scheme. my mystake.
BUT all this means is that the complaint by jug is a missunderstanding Right? H ethough the Brew he was fighting Ho'd him. And you posted as if you were the brew and he accused you of something you didn't do. Why didn't you just say, "I'm NOT the brew, I'm the 47 on your six you didn't see."
:headscratch:
D11 Paint I fly in is; OTU/MAAF by Rogerdee. A scheme I very much like
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or possibly a pick tard/
Wait... wait..... If he was a police officer would we then call him a LEOtard?? :eek:
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Wait... wait..... If he was a police officer would we then call him a LEOtard?? :eek:
Shuff, I don;t get it. LEO = Police Officer?
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Shuff, I don;t get it. LEO = Police Officer?
LEO = Law Enforcement Officer
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LEO = Law Enforcement Oficer
Roger. I learn something new everyday.
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So Dolty, where is that film so we can all see what a dweeb Juggler is?
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I have a recent film of dedalos' demise..... he was roping a guy and was expecting me.... of all people.. to get the guy before he could get dedalos.
He has not been watching my gunnery lately. :rofl
If was like this, if my tracers were turned on it would have looked like the bad guy was in a fog. :D
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So Dolty, where is that film so we can all see what a dweeb Juggler is?
my bet: "accidentally deleted" ;)
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who is Dolby anyway? :noid
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who is Dolby anyway? :noid
Some stereo guy I think :P
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So Dolby, where is that film so we can all see what a dweeb Juggler is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfpCbUrFNkI
:salute
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well didnt see a HO lotta lead flying, and whats with that music hehe
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No HO there..
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well didnt see a HO lotta lead flying, and whats with that music hehe
Hey don't laugh at the music, it healed the world. :rock
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JUGgler is a good fight and seems to be a good guy as well. One of the few who actually fights in that Jug down low. The film doesn't show a HO shot.
What would have been nice to see was that you asked the Brew before you jumped in. I try and ask anytime I come across a 1 v 1 cause often times the guy on my side has the situation well in hand, and it's not fair to both guys fighting. There are a few die hards who still believe this is common courtesy in the game. I had a guy ask me tonight when I was in a 1 v 1 and he stayed out when I asked him too. I asked a couple of times if guys needed help. Both times they said no and I stayed out. These were all 1 v 1s away from the pack.
There is also a contingent who believes strongly in anything goes. neither is the wrong way to play, but you might get some grief as you did, from the die hards who like to finish what was started in a 1 v 1.
That didn't appear to be a furball, where anything does go. There does seem to be more visible frustration lately from guys like JUGgler and Agent among others that do look for those fights away from the pack when some one runs in on the fight when they don't need to and takes away the fun for the two guys in the 1 v 1.
And no, they shouldn't have to always go to the DA for that 1 v 1. It does occur in the MA and is something that can be, for lack of a better word, 'respected' when it happens.
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That didn't appear to be a furball, where anything does go. There does seem to be more visible frustration lately from guys like JUGgler and Agent among others that do look for those fights away from the pack when some one runs in on the fight when they don't need to and takes away the fun for the two guys in the 1 v 1.
No furball, the Rookies were pretty much keeping close to their base and really didn't venture too far away from their base or CV that was a few kilometers offshore.
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No furball, the Rookies were pretty much keeping close to their base and really didn't venture too far away from their base or CV that was a few kilometers offshore.
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My dear boy, we were attacking each other and furballing long before you logged on inbetween those bases, you fail to mention that the knights had their own CV run into the middle of that furball to get puffy ack kills. I know because i got puffy ack all over my C-pit, and it made a terrible mess.
JUGgler is a good fight and seems to be a good guy as well. One of the few who actually fights in that Jug down low. The film doesn't show a HO shot.
What would have been nice to see was that you asked the Brew before you jumped in. I try and ask anytime I come across a 1 v 1 cause often times the guy on my side has the situation well in hand, and it's not fair to both guys fighting. There are a few die hards who still believe this is common courtesy in the game. I had a guy ask me tonight when I was in a 1 v 1 and he stayed out when I asked him too. I asked a couple of times if guys needed help. Both times they said no and I stayed out. These were all 1 v 1s away from the pack.
There is also a contingent who believes strongly in anything goes. neither is the wrong way to play, but you might get some grief as you did, from the die hards who like to finish what was started in a 1 v 1.
That didn't appear to be a furball, where anything does go. There does seem to be more visible frustration lately from guys like JUGgler and Agent among others that do look for those fights away from the pack when some one runs in on the fight when they don't need to and takes away the fun for the two guys in the 1 v 1.
And no, they shouldn't have to always go to the DA for that 1 v 1. It does occur in the MA and is something that can be, for lack of a better word, 'respected' when it happens.
We all know that unwritten rules are not leagally binding, and a 2 vs 1 is just another target to deal with. I was of to the side of a bases trying to get 1 vs 1 fights going, usually after 2 kill I suddenly had 5 or 7 guys on me, at one point I lost count of how many were back there in a 'Benny Hill' music enducing attempt to run away ( :salute SwampDragons for that, I had much fun).
I enjoy the number of targets I get to shoot at, but not the HO's that the outnumbered pilot has to endure. But you can't stop people HOing and in the same you can't get people to 1 vs 1 outside of the dueling arena.
Alls fair in the main arena war.
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Dolby, I was not refering to the killshot as a HO. You say you have 21/2 hours of film there and you choose to show that. You came in sooner than that if the film was backed up say 45 seconds to a minute it may show something different. The irony is I had just downed warhed in a questionable shot! you can see him waiting for the brew to kill me before he towers. Warhed said I had HOd him, was clean on my end but very close,we both were in stall and the brew was close. I took the shot cause the brew looked like he was in. I believe you 1st came in blazing away from my 12 as I was PWNing the brew If I remember correctly you gave me a pw on 1st pass. The film you show is started well past this point ;)
Anyway it isn't i big enough deal to post here, in fact it is quite "badform" Could be lag but I don't don't have that issue very often.
As a side note just for your info, The JUGgler will never jump a plane that is fighting a better quality plane in a turn fight. Sometimes I get caught up in the furball as others do but I always try to collect myself and NOT pile on anyone! This was not a furball and I was turn fighting a brewster with a JUG ;) <-- that should have been enough!!
Back the film up 1 minute, if there is nothing I will retract!
My offer still stands to give you some tips on the JUG!! It will help you I promise <S>
To the rest of you--> :salute < I look forward to JUGgling you all ;)
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As i told you on 200 last night;
There... is... no... head... on...
But seeing as you HO'd to down someone and then complain, unfoundedly so; "Pot this is Kettle colour check send"... :devil
Edit; Also i am not interested an Egg sucking exercise.
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As i told you on 200 last night;
There... is... no... head... on...
But seeing as you HO'd to down someone and then complain, unfoundedly so; "Pot this is Kettle colour check send"... :devil
Edit; Also i am not interested an Egg sucking exercise.
As I said was close and the diff was I was 1v2 you wer 2v1 ;) back the film up! ;)
I dare you ;)
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Still amazes me that people can get worked up enough about an in game contest to generate 6 pages of posts.
Question to ask ones self -
If what a stranger in an online game thinks/says about me is upsetting for more than 90 seconds, then something is not going well in my head.
(of course, I'm speaking from experience.... :cheers:)
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Still amazes me that people can get worked up enough about an in game contest to generate 6 pages of posts.
Question to ask ones self -
If what a stranger in an online game thinks/says about me is upsetting for more than 90 seconds, then something is not going well in my head.
(of course, I'm speaking from experience.... :cheers:)
haha Well said <S> I'm out sad indeed that my 1st 2 posts are replying to him! as if it matters!! :huh It does not :salute