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Title: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Guppy35 on December 02, 2010, 09:35:52 PM
This was the one recovered from the Russian forest.  Flew yesterday in California.  Owned by Paul Allen of Microsoft fame.

http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-12-02_fw190.asp
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Karnak on December 02, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
Very nice to see.  Glad to see another rare bird back in the sky.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: crazyivan on December 02, 2010, 10:12:48 PM
A little paint and the pony boy's at Oshkosh. Would druel over her like the prom queen. MINE!  :old:
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: MarineUS on December 02, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
awesome find! :D   :aok
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: cactuskooler on December 03, 2010, 12:59:58 AM
Sweet. It guess the next Air Classics issue will have some more info.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Perrine on December 03, 2010, 01:36:50 AM
what's the U3 designation?
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: IrishOne on December 03, 2010, 02:08:14 AM
awesome find!!  even without paint, she's still a beautiful bird.  i'd really love to see her at Oshkosh this summer.    thanks for posting!!   :salute
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Charge on December 03, 2010, 02:35:05 AM
Engine test run: http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-10-14_fw190.asp

-C+
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: CHAPPY on December 03, 2010, 06:58:12 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Masherbrum on December 03, 2010, 07:33:50 AM
what's the U3 designation?

First 190 with the "Jabo" with either a 500kg bomb or a 300L DT.   They also had the outer MG FF removed.

Thanks for posting Dan.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: PanosGR on December 03, 2010, 08:24:59 AM
Now there is a living example of A5, HTC can rectify now the stall characteristics and turn radius data of our carton plane.
Ok, this is a troll. Said it…
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Slash27 on December 03, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
awesome find!!  even without paint, she's still a beautiful bird.  i'd really love to see her at Oshkosh this summer.    thanks for posting!!   :salute
I don't know Irish. That plane is just kinda, meh.
 :bolt:

Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: DEECONX on December 03, 2010, 11:13:58 AM
 :aok :rock
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: IrishOne on December 03, 2010, 12:44:15 PM
I don't know Irish. That plane is just kinda, meh.
 :bolt:



 :mad:    :furious
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Pigslilspaz on December 03, 2010, 01:52:54 PM
I don't know Irish. That plane is just kinda, meh.
 :bolt:



agreed, now if it was being viewed through a gunsight, that would be beautiful
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: LCADolby on December 03, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
Pretty sweet, 190 is a tank with wings.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Krusty on December 03, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
Now there is a living example of A5, HTC can rectify now the stall characteristics and turn radius data of our carton plane.


Doesn't work that way... It's rebuilt. Does it have pilot armor? Guns? Ammo? Armor on the ammo bays? Armor on the oil ring? What engine does it have? Is it even remotely similar to the original?

Even IF it could be ballasted somehow to represent the real aircraft weights, and IF that ballast was all in the correct spots so as to simulate historical center of gravity, it would never be run at war emergency power for flight testing when (assuming it has the real engine restored) there are few spare parts and the thing is so rare it must stay safe for the rest of its life.

It will fly, for sure... But I doubt it'll ever reach historic war-time performance numbers because it will either be underpowered, overpowered (if they use a newer engine to replace the old and it has more power) or seriously underweight.

Too many variables, and I doubt that Paul Allen wants to go through all that effort just to appease nerdy (yes! Nerdy! I said it! I'm in that group too!) flight sim cartoon jockeys.

The man's a multi billionaire probably. He flies WW2 aircraft FOR FUN. Doubt he cares about the flight sim debates on the modeling of Fw190s and turn radii.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: DEECONX on December 03, 2010, 06:42:54 PM
Doesn't work that way... It's rebuilt. Does it have pilot armor? Guns? Ammo? Armor on the ammo bays? Armor on the oil ring? What engine does it have? Is it even remotely similar to the original?

Even IF it could be ballasted somehow to represent the real aircraft weights, and IF that ballast was all in the correct spots so as to simulate historical center of gravity, it would never be run at war emergency power for flight testing when (assuming it has the real engine restored) there are few spare parts and the thing is so rare it must stay safe for the rest of its life.

It will fly, for sure... But I doubt it'll ever reach historic war-time performance numbers because it will either be underpowered, overpowered (if they use a newer engine to replace the old and it has more power) or seriously underweight.

Too many variables, and I doubt that Paul Allen wants to go through all that effort just to appease nerdy (yes! Nerdy! I said it! I'm in that group too!) flight sim cartoon jockeys.

The man's a multi billionaire probably. He flies WW2 aircraft FOR FUN. Doubt he cares about the flight sim debates on the modeling of Fw190s and turn radii.

Have to agree with Krusty on this one.
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: 007Rusty on December 03, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Guppy35 on December 03, 2010, 11:10:11 PM
Doesn't work that way... It's rebuilt. Does it have pilot armor? Guns? Ammo? Armor on the ammo bays? Armor on the oil ring? What engine does it have? Is it even remotely similar to the original?

Even IF it could be ballasted somehow to represent the real aircraft weights, and IF that ballast was all in the correct spots so as to simulate historical center of gravity, it would never be run at war emergency power for flight testing when (assuming it has the real engine restored) there are few spare parts and the thing is so rare it must stay safe for the rest of its life.

It will fly, for sure... But I doubt it'll ever reach historic war-time performance numbers because it will either be underpowered, overpowered (if they use a newer engine to replace the old and it has more power) or seriously underweight.

Too many variables, and I doubt that Paul Allen wants to go through all that effort just to appease nerdy (yes! Nerdy! I said it! I'm in that group too!) flight sim cartoon jockeys.

The man's a multi billionaire probably. He flies WW2 aircraft FOR FUN. Doubt he cares about the flight sim debates on the modeling of Fw190s and turn radii.

For what it's worth, Allen has made sure to rebuild his birds to factory specs so it would have the guns, armor etc.    Would he send it out to play?  Doubt it. Way too rare.  First real 190 to fly in 60 years.

It is a BMW engine.  The real deal all the way
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: IrishOne on December 03, 2010, 11:12:42 PM
It is a BMW engine.  The real deal all the way
i would love to hear it do a flyby, just once.    :aok
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Ruah on December 04, 2010, 12:11:54 PM
what's the U3 designation?

"Fw 190A-5/U3 - fighter-bomber with the ETC 501 bomb rack and without MG FF cannons. After a change of designation this was serially produced as Fw 190F-2. There was also a desert variant with dust filters designated as A-5/U3/tp (F-2tp)."

from: http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/fw190.htm
 

Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: pipz on December 04, 2010, 12:16:22 PM
It always impresses me to see an old piece of equipment brought back to life. Neat stuff :aok



Pipz
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: Rino on December 04, 2010, 12:53:26 PM
It always impresses me to see an old piece of equipment brought back to life. Neat stuff :aok



Pipz

     That sounds like Mrs Pipz talking  :D 

P.S. PLEASE don't serenade me Pipz, it was just a joke..I promise!

     Phan
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: muzik on December 05, 2010, 09:02:47 AM
i would love to hear it do a flyby, just once.    :aok

I'll get to see it at his museum along with the 262 next door   :D
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: pipz on December 05, 2010, 09:20:11 PM
     That sounds like Mrs Pipz talking  :D 

P.S. PLEASE don't serenade me Pipz, it was just a joke..I promise!

     Phan

Oh I cant wait to get you in Vox range.....maybe I can get Silat in on this.......whats that wingman command again?........<G>


Pipz
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: IrishOne on December 05, 2010, 10:58:25 PM
I'll get to see it at his museum along with the 262 next door   :D
nice!
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: DEECONX on December 06, 2010, 09:00:55 AM
I'll get to see it at his museum along with the 262 next door   :D


Where is that by the way?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: For the 190A5 fans. Paul Allen's real 190A5 has flown.
Post by: SWkiljoy on December 06, 2010, 09:57:03 AM
id love to see a 262 on display somewhere.  :)