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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dadsguns on December 07, 2010, 10:40:30 AM
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So I stop my Medical today to pick up my records, A young female sailor comes to the window and asks "what can I do for you Chief?", stated to her that I was picking up my record so she assigned a clerk to get it, while we were waiting I mentioned that it was a beautiful day today but rather cold, she said she "really didn't notice", she then handed me a pen and paper to sign for the record and as I was signing the date I asked her "Do you know what today is?", she says "why yes Chief, its 07Dec", I replied "Yes, but do you know the significance of this date?", she stated "Tuesday?", "I asked her has she ever heard of ".... a day that will live in infamy..", of course the answer was a big fat "no".......
In front of that window, I made clear to her what this day meant and why every flag on every ship, on the waterfront and in this nation, every military base, school, public building, library, anywhere you see an American Flag that it will be displayed at Half Mast is because of the unfortunate events of Pearl Harbor, I also explained to her that history should never repeat itself, the only way to do that is to know where you have been. Know your History.
We should never allow anyone to forget any of these events that so many have given their lives for. :salute
Here you go kids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqQAf74fsE catch up with the rest of us that know.
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WTG!
It's always great to hear SNCOs remind the younger generation on what it is all about. Many times I have had to remind Airman about the significance of dates!
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Sad, but a very common occurance in this day and age. Being one of those youngsters you mention ( A mere 22 Years old) I feel very proud that I know the significance and I'm not even a yank.
However I know the feeling. On the anniversery of the battle of Culloden when the Jacobites were wiped out, ending the tale of Bonnie Prince Charlie and starting the Clearences which bump started the USA and canada, many people don't know what the battle is, or who fought. :(
We are currently celebrating the Bicentenery of the Peninsular war, and many people haven't got a clue.
I fear for the world if this keeps up
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Ask an Army guy, they will know about the navy stuff your navy person was not in tune to....
I agree, History repeats itself, because people never seem to understand the lessons before them. Like, applying similar doctrines for Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which are as polar opposites as North and South. Well Said.
BTW, we are kicking your Naval Butts on the 11th. If Navy wins, I will up a set of Mossie 16s and let you pick them off one by one. Want some?? :banana:
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Ask an Army guy, they will know about the navy stuff your navy person was not in tune to....
I agree, History repeats itself, because people never seem to understand the lessons before them. Like, applying similar doctrines for Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which are as polar opposites as North and South. Well Said.
BTW, we are kicking your Naval Butts on the 11th. If Navy wins, I will up a set of Mossie 16s and let you pick them off one by one. Want some?? :banana:
Sounds like a deal to me............... :aok :rofl And I will offer you the same..... ;)
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:salute great post. To many people lately, forget why people fought and died for this country!
With the current political climate, and apology atmosphere in place, it is up to people like us to help the date live on, you dont even see it in the general media anymore. for those who don't know history, are doomed to repeat it. <S> all vets
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Dads, you and I have had semi heated words on this board ...........but this time AGREE 100%....... :salute :salute :salute
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I woke up to get a drink in the night (past 12am) and when I noticed the time took a few moments to think about the days events and those lost.
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Unfortunately, this country does not put a premium on education. Until that happens, this doctine of historical remembrance is inconsequental. It's just not going to happen, sorry Dads.
Also, you have to remember this is the third generation removed from the event. It gets pushed aside a bit, by events that are much more directly relating to the current century. Unfortunately, only those with a inkling for history will remember, sorry.
I mean, unless you can disperse a little knowledge on the Spanish-American War.... :old: you should just take it with a grain of salt, honestly.
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"In front of that window, I made clear to her what this day meant ..."
WTG Teddy Brewster!
I say visit her on November 11th, February 15th and April 9th and while
she's busy working and focusing on her job ask her what those dates
mean and if she fails give her another lecture in front of that window
about their significance.
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:salute great post. To many people lately, forget why people fought and died for this country!
With the current political climate, and apology atmosphere in place, it is up to people like us to help the date live on, you dont even see it in the general media anymore. for those who don't know history, are doomed to repeat it. <S> all vets
Great start and end..with a crap middle. Take the politics to another forum. Jackwagon.
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<---just shakes head . I would be absolutely stunned speechless if someone in the United States navy couldn't tell me what today means as Americans. It seems insulting to me somehow.
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<---just shakes head . I would be absolutely stunned speechless if someone in the United States navy couldn't tell me what today means as Americans. It seems insulting to me somehow.
Although I agree, I'm not surprised. Again, not a premium on education when your recruits for non-officers these days are barely graduating from inner city high schools.
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If the 'kids' don't know the history, it's because their elders didn't teach them, and I mean the parents. Nice of you to share some history with the young sailor who didn't know.
I do get tired of the inevitable 'kids today' don't get it that tends to follow. My older kids understood it, and my youngest will to, because we make sure they get it, and understand why it's important to know about their history.
Can't blame the kids if the generation before them blew it.
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I am not terribly emotional by nature, and a fairly practical minded person all in all. A few years ago I went to Hawaii early in December (but unfortunately just after the 7th) and made it a point to visit the Arizona memorial. As a history buff and with a father who served in WWII in B-29's (yea, we're getting them in AH!), I anticipated I would have a significantly informative and intellectual event more than anything else.
However, as soon as I stepped off the shore boat onto the memorial, from then on it became completely different. I stood in front of all the names carved into the memorial and tried to grasp the magnatude of what had happened on that day, and those many desparate days and years that followed. It was simply not possible to truly comprehend, but only to try to emotionally understand.
I can't remember ever having cried in public as an adult, but I did so that day, standing over the railing, I looking down upon the submerged turret shafts of the Arizona, watching her bunker oil, the blood of 1177 American sailors, gently seep up from the depths of their place of rest, to stain the surface of the harbor waters even to this day.
Feeling conspicuous and self-conscious over my tears, I saw that others around me were paying no attention, while shedding tears of their own. I can safely say I have never had a more emotional or saddening moment like that before or since. And yet, in retrospect, it was also strangely uplifting as well. I guess it's the thought that there were such men willing to serve our country in such full measure in her time of gravest need. And that today, we still have those same kind of men, and now women, serving their country so selflessly, so honorably.
I feel those tears again today.
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But doesn't the Navy teach American naval history in their bootcamp? I know the Marines teach Marine Corp history. Ask any Marine the Marine Corps birthday and they'll tell you not only the date but the place of it's birth.
I can kind of see a regular young adult not knowing, but someone in the Navy not knowing........ that's just shameful IMO.
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Even WW2 veterans have commented on how short-sighted American society is today. I find myself seriously doubting the average American's fortitude to fight back against an iminent threat. I have no doubt our military is the best there is. But what about the average American citizen, specifically today's generation & their kids? I see a lot of flag wavers, but what if it really got down to it?
History documents one reason the Japanese didn't invade the mainland. Every citizen owned and knew how to use a gun. If the military couldn't stop 'em, the average citizen was going to do his or her damnedest to knock 'em down.
When we choose to forget history's lessons and focus on current trivialities & comforts, we choose to repeat past mistakes.
We're doing that right now. It's very slow & subtle, but when there is nothing left to lose, people might wake up.
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I got all caught up in this game from the movie Pearl Harbor. As well as Flysboys and U-571.
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I'm a little upset with this story my former CO.............. What is her rate? I'd hope she's a brand new E3, but that is still not an excuse.
Today is one of three days of the year I always shed a few, in remembrance.
Never Forget December 7th. :salute
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Technically, USMC history is US Navy history. Just sayin....... :uhoh
But doesn't the Navy teach American naval history in their bootcamp? I know the Marines teach Marine Corp history. Ask any Marine the Marine Corps birthday and they'll tell you not only the date but the place of it's birth.
I can kind of see a regular young adult not knowing, but someone in the Navy not knowing........ that's just shameful IMO. Say it Again!!!
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WTG Dadguns! Unfortunate that these young ppl careless of such important date. What is more sad is that about 26% of Americans do not know why we celebrate 4th of July. sigh, sigh.
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Remember Pearl Harbor! ........As they cleared up the debris from the WTC :cry
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So I stop my Medical today to pick up my records, A young female sailor comes to the window and asks "what can I do for you Chief?", stated to her that I was picking up my record so she assigned a clerk to get it, while we were waiting I mentioned that it was a beautiful day today but rather cold, she said she "really didn't notice", she then handed me a pen and paper to sign for the record and as I was signing the date I asked her "Do you know what today is?", she says "why yes Chief, its 07Dec", I replied "Yes, but do you know the significance of this date?", she stated "Tuesday?", "I asked her has she ever heard of ".... a day that will live in infamy..", of course the answer was a big fat "no".......
In front of that window, I made clear to her what this day meant and why every flag on every ship, on the waterfront and in this nation, every military base, school, public building, library, anywhere you see an American Flag that it will be displayed at Half Mast is because of the unfortunate events of Pearl Harbor, I also explained to her that history should never repeat itself, the only way to do that is to know where you have been. Know your History.
We should never allow anyone to forget any of these events that so many have given their lives for. :salute
Here you go kids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqQAf74fsE catch up with the rest of us that know.
WTG CHIEF!!!
I worked for a retired 4-Star once....he always said that "Admirals know where the head is......but Chief's tell them its ok to go!!!
V/r
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:rofl
....he always said that "Admirals know where the head is......but Chief's tell them its ok to go!!!
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I figured it out!! You asked a women :x
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So I stop my Medical today to pick up my records, A young female sailor comes to the window and asks "what can I do for you Chief?", stated to her that I was picking up my record so she assigned a clerk to get it, while we were waiting I mentioned that it was a beautiful day today but rather cold, she said she "really didn't notice", she then handed me a pen and paper to sign for the record and as I was signing the date I asked her "Do you know what today is?", she says "why yes Chief, its 07Dec", I replied "Yes, but do you know the significance of this date?", she stated "Tuesday?", "I asked her has she ever heard of ".... a day that will live in infamy..", of course the answer was a big fat "no".......
In front of that window, I made clear to her what this day meant and why every flag on every ship, on the waterfront and in this nation, every military base, school, public building, library, anywhere you see an American Flag that it will be displayed at Half Mast is because of the unfortunate events of Pearl Harbor, I also explained to her that history should never repeat itself, the only way to do that is to know where you have been. Know your History.
We should never allow anyone to forget any of these events that so many have given their lives for. :salute
Here you go kids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqQAf74fsE catch up with the rest of us that know.
Chief? What tribe are you in charge of? Just kidding Dads.. Thank you for your decades of service. :salute
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Chief? What tribe are you in charge of?
That'd be the Slapaho of the Tidewater Nation
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Sounds Like you encountered "Generation Y" or better known as "Generation ME" as generations fall by wars are forgotten, how many significant dates from WW1 can you remember?
<S>...-Gixer
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that's nothin, I came across a chick who didn't even know what a flat head screwdriver was, or what a screwdriver even looked like for that matter. I would have thought that when you said "a day that will live in infamy" would have certainly been a dead give away though.
just yesterday I come across someone saying, I quote "people need to get over ww2 already! It was over 100 years ago!" ....I face palmed to say the least.
Since we are talking about people in the navy, history knowledge aside. My brother is in the Navy and nearly got jumped by other sailors for not having cigarettes to give to them. He doesn't smoke that's why he didn't have any cigs, luckily my bro is nearly twice the size of me and able to fend for him self well enough. We are sending these kind of uniformed thugs around the world and the fact that some of them have a D- knowledge of history should not be completely unexpected.
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I asked everyone I could if they knew what the significance of today was. They replied with "no," or "shut up, I don't care." Seeing as both are unacceptable answers to me, I was pretty steamsed up. ESPECIALLY when none of the other seniors stood for the pledge, even after I told them what the day was...
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But doesn't the Navy teach American naval history in their bootcamp? I know the Marines teach Marine Corp history. Ask any Marine the Marine Corps birthday and they'll tell you not only the date but the place of it's birth.
I can kind of see a regular young adult not knowing, but someone in the Navy not knowing........ that's just shameful IMO.
Uptown,
Its not surprising to me....hell, the public at large doesnt even care about 9-11 anymore. They would like us to bring the troops home from Afghanistan without OBL. The public used to be mad at him...but, they feel safe so the outrage is gone. The Japanese used planes of war with soldiers trained for war against an installation of war....OBL used our own civilian planes, against civilians, with few military casualties. Seems to me the public doesn't want any payback for a 9 year old debt...in the kids eyes today, why should they remember Pearl Harbor? I think its beyond sad for both accounts....unacceptable.
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Uptown,
Its not surprising to me....hell, the public at large doesnt even care about 9-11 anymore. They would like us to bring the troops home from Afghanistan without OBL. The public used to be mad at him...but, they feel safe so the outrage is gone. The Japanese used planes of war with soldiers trained for war against an installation of war....OBL used our own civilian planes, against civilians, with few military casualties. Seems to me the public doesn't want any payback for a 9 year old debt...in the kids eyes today, why should they remember Pearl Harbor? I think its beyond sad for both accounts....unacceptable.
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I noticed when I was going through school in the 80s/90s the emphasis of education was shifting from knowing stuff to knowing how to look stuff up. It's only gotten worse with the advent of the internet. People don't see a reason to retain information because it's readily available to find with their phone or computer if they have a need to know the answer.
I don't know what it means, but I don't think it's good. It seems like anything that's not right in front of 90% of the population is forgotten within days.
Wiley.
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I was talking to someone today about how horrible it was that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. They agreed with me. :cry
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I was talking to someone today about how horrible it was that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. They agreed with me. :cry
Now, I have to ask myself... Is that person posting on a BBS somewhere tonight about the dolt who was talking to them about how horrible it was that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :headscratch:
Wiley.
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Did he happen to love Jack Daniels? :D
I was talking to someone today about how horrible it was that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. They agreed with me. :cry
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:headscratch: Never saw Animal House?
Now, I have to ask myself... Is that person posting on a BBS somewhere tonight about the dolt who was talking to them about how horrible it was that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? :headscratch:
Wiley.
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:salute Ive recounted the story many times to those who are ignorant of the price paid for their freedom. Every year I read the story of Lts Welsh and Taylor, at Pearl, and remember and thank God for those who paid the ultimate price for me. To you Dads and all service men and women I salute you. :salute
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Well, not all young people don't know their history. I wanted to just go bang my head against the wall at school today when all the people looked up at the flagpole saying "Why's it only halfway up dere?"
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I hope you told them why. This is a part of how we learn. What better way to educate someone about what happened at Pearl sixty nine years ago today than to tell them.
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I recall, about 22 years ago when I was in high school, a friend of mine who wasn't very academically inclined telling me after a test that he got the question about Pearl Harbor right because of hanging out with me and hearing me talk about this stuff.
Sometimes ignorance does suffer defeats.
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Asked my Step-sister what today was. She had no clue. And she is always complaining about her history classes. She has to take US History next year and is like "I can see if your going to be a history teacher, but I dont care about Greek stuff"
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Well I went into work today and asked the 7 employees working what day it was. I got several "It's Tuesday", and "It's the seventh" but only 1 answered "It's Pearl Harbor Day".
What makes this day even worse is tonight we had a 95 year old WW2 Vet's truck blow up while he was trying to start it in the cold weather. He made it out alive and unharmed but his truck and part of his house burned up. And of course no one during the news cast or the following call in segment made the connection to what day it was.
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sad dads..it really is..wtg on setting them straight
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History repeats itself again and again.What you are seeing is the decline of the U.S.A. as a world power,as other great powers declined before them.I just want to reach out and slap people when they sit on their arse as the U.S. flag is paraded in front of them!My own grand son asked me how it was in WWII!?,and should he join the Army or Navy.I looked at my grand son in disbelieve,and said Adam,I never fought in WWII,and I told him that my war was in Southeast Asia,at a much later time.About the Army or Navy,I told him that was a decision he would have to make,but that I was proud of him for giving the thought about serving his country.
The youth that are coming along these days aren't interested in things that we older folk hold dear.The Chief set the woman straight,and I'm proud he did.I think of all the military people that have given their all for this country,and it saddens me deeply,that some people don't even give a rats arse as long as they weren't effected!When I was a youngster,I can recall Veterans Day was a big day in my home town.The old WWII guys,and even a few from WWI marched down main street,and when the colors passed,everyone had their hand over their heart,or was saluting.
About Pearl Harbor,the truth of the matter is that the United States was on high alert that the Japanese might attack.It's also pretty much a given fact that Great Britain knew the attack was coming,but didn't give the information to the U.S.!So we know the rest of the story.The radar operators being told it was a group of B-17s when they called in the contact,and the surprise was complete.We lost a lot of people that day,and Japan would pay dearly for their so called sneak attack.War is brutal,and not paying respect or remembering events that occurred is shameful,but it is a sign of the times,and the sad truth is it will get worse.