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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pand on December 13, 2010, 10:48:40 PM
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New Feature / New Bug / New (Dare I say) .....?
5-6 30MM cannon hits from a 262 in the fuse of a Betty and it doesn't take any damage? :headscratch:
Film Below:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ejfbxypu2nqceeq
Update: Fraps from AH Film viewer running at half speed (for the lazy) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngYD6QXVI8U
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:rofl
(FYI, this is not how you handle something like this!)
For the curious I was descending because I had no fuel, landed with less than a few minutes of fuel!
Strip
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wow heard the cry on 200 didnt take long to get here :rofl
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New Feature / New Bug / New (Dare I say) .....?
5-6 30MM cannon hits from a 262 in the fuse of a Betty and it doesn't take any damage? :headscratch:
Film Below:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ejfbxypu2nqceeq
Yamamoto I bet would have loved to have been in a Betty like that. :devil
ack-ack
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shoot man - I got hit with a spit I while in a betty - few pings and I'm on fire. The betty sucks lol.
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The few times I've flown the Betty, every time it has caught on fire. It's like a flying fuel tank. :cry
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AceHavok,
If anything I thought the bird was weak in the DA, set one on fire with just 20-25 rounds.
Not one but two fire streams!
Strip
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I counted 4 hits spread across the entire fuselage. First was by right waist gunner, second was near top turret, third was about half way back on plane, forth was right in front of tail. Seems like you spread out your hits across the strongest part of the aircraft.
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30mm Cannon!
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The fuel tanks are in the wings though, shooting the fuselage isn't the best way to kill a G4M.
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30mm Cannon!
lol I know, but your attack was a textbook example of how to spread your damage across the biggest, strongest area. I don't know the game well enough to tell you if this is actually an issue, but you did everything you could do to not get that kill. ;)
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Not sure how much you fly the 262, but if you hit pretty much any plane, any where with a 30mm tater, it's over... To emphasize the power of the 30mm, If a 262 (or any aircraft shooting 30mm) is too close to the enemy aircraft when the cannon impacts, the blast damage will destroy the shooter.
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A few planes routinely took 30mm hits, in game and reality.
A P-47 is known to shrug off hits to the engine with an oil hit or dead engine.
The B-17,B-24, and B-26 will take 3-4 hits to the fuselage sometimes.
Strip
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New Feature / New Bug / New (Dare I say) .....?
5-6 30MM cannon hits from a 262 in the fuse of a Betty and it doesn't take any damage?
I got absolutely shredded by a Spitfire in mine earlier this evening. Hell, what are you snivellin' for,
a 262 indeed. That pig needs to be locked in a shed and used for scenarios only. :devil
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I got absolutely shredded by a Spitfire in mine earlier this evening.
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Yamamoto I bet would have loved to have been in a Betty like that. :devil
ack-ack
Ya think? :huh :headscratch: cool buff looks pretty tough cant wait to comeback n fly it :airplane: :joystick: :o
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Pand, I finally watched the video....
You simply aimed and hit in the wrong spot, the fuselage is the toughest part of the aircraft. The Betty will go up like a gunpowder with a few 50's to the wings or wing root. I killed six Betty's in a little over two minutes using only 300 rounds of 50 and 30 rounds of 20 mil.
Try aiming for a wing or wing root and you will have much more success!
The Betty is by NO means invincible....
Strip
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Yeah, your shooting leaves a lot to be desired on that one. :salute
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I shot all three bombers in a formation of betty's with a couple 37's from a p39 and nothing happened... until about 15 seconds later then they all caught fire and went down. Nobody else was around at the time. My .net was also flat lined? :headscratch:
edit: I forgot to save the video or I would post it.
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Flew Betty last night, 1 ping back to tower,lol.
<S> Oz
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Pand, I finally watched the video....
You simply aimed and hit in the wrong spot, the fuselage is the toughest part of the aircraft. The Betty will go up like a gunpowder with a few 50's to the wings or wing root. I killed six Betty's in a little over two minutes using only 300 rounds of 50 and 30 rounds of 20 mil.
Try aiming for a wing or wing root and you will have much more success!
The Betty is by NO means invincible....
Strip
Your drone took a single 30mm to the rear fuse and ripped it right in half... looks like your crew chief put some extra armor on the lead bomber apparently. I wasn't implying that the Betty itself was invincible... just yours ;)
Everyone who is 'critiquing' my accuracy in the 262... go shoot something with it's 30mm and watch it explode. With my experience in the 262, 1 Shell almost always accounts for 1 kill, let alone 4 hits on the same aircraft.
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New name for Betty......"Burn Betty Burn".....took a 110 up looking, found flight of Betty's, 1 side pass about 20 rounds........GREAT BALLS OF FIRE :x
It's new, but guy keep flying them cuz I be looking :airplane:
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every time it has caught on fire. It's like a flying fuel tank.
Seems to be my experience as far as attacking them. :aok
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Your drone took a single 30mm to the rear fuse and ripped it right in half... looks like your crew chief put some extra armor on the lead bomber apparently. I wasn't implying that the Betty itself was invincible... just yours ;)
Everyone who is 'critiquing' my accuracy in the 262... go shoot something with it's 30mm and watch it explode. With my experience in the 262, 1 Shell almost always accounts for 1 kill, let alone 4 hits on the same aircraft.
They're "critiquing" you because you posted this thread and have shown us video on "Where not to hit buffs." Most of us posting, know where to hit aircraft. The Fuselage is a sponge, regardless of cannon being shot at it. As for the backslapping you keep skating around by dropping subtle hints, forget it.
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They're "critiquing" you because you posted this thread and have shown us video on "Where not to hit buffs." Most of us posting, know where to hit aircraft. The Fuselage is a sponge, regardless of cannon being shot at it. As for the backslapping you keep skating around by dropping subtle hints, forget it.
Congrats on your 18,473 post.
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Congrats on your 18,473 post.
....and I can still read your mind and hit the nail on the head on the 18,474th.
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Not sure how much you fly the 262, but if you hit pretty much any plane, any where with a 30mm tater, it's over... To emphasize the power of the 30mm, If a 262 (or any aircraft shooting 30mm) is too close to the enemy aircraft when the cannon impacts, the blast damage will destroy the shooter.
just so yyou know i watched the video 4 times and it looks more like a zero's nose then a 262's (maby its just where the shots from).
it is strange that you shot at the top of the plane, and not the wings. it would be 1 or 2 shots and it would burn.
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They're "critiquing" you because you posted this thread and have shown us video on "Where not to hit buffs." Most of us posting, know where to hit aircraft. The Fuselage is a sponge, regardless of cannon being shot at it. As for the backslapping you keep skating around by dropping subtle hints, forget it.
Reviewing your score--- I can't say I believe that *you* know where to hit aircraft... Maybe more time in the cockpit and less time trolling on the message board might be warranted? :neener:
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just so yyou know i watched the video 4 times and it looks more like a zero's nose then a 262's
Thanks for the insight Cooldued :)
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I took a single betty up last night to about 12k and easily popped a wing off doing a mild evasive to bring the rear cannon in line to fire on an approaching spit. I also noticed when I viewed the aircraft in the rear quarter views from the cockpit that the wing roots on both wings were not there. I could see through the wing roots.
I am going to hazard a guess here and say the Betty will get some tweaking or be forever relegated to the SE scrap heap.
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More than anything I love the camera work. Is that IR Tracker? I need to get one of those.
I've seen pictures of the inside of a Betty, just a hollow tube. Nothing to hit but a few crew members and some crates. My first runs on the Betty with a -51 included pouring rounds into the fueslage and seeing the same results. Second pass I aimed at the wings and almost instantly started the kiss of death flames.
I think the big story is when are we getting the Me-410. Seriously Skuzzy, let's get with the program here. I still want an F8F Bearcat or the German Arrow fighter (push/pull) but alas, since they didn't make combat apparently this isn't to be.
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More than anything I love the camera work. Is that IR Tracker? I need to get one of those.
LOL, just the left and right arrows and zoom in/out within the AH Film viewer ;)
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Reviewing your score--- I can't say I believe that *you* know where to hit aircraft... Maybe more time in the cockpit and less time trolling on the message board might be warranted? :neener:
A little more time on the message board for you and you'd realize that by typing this you've just signed up for a heap of grief :)
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A little more time on the message board for you and you'd realize that by typing this you've just signed up for a heap of grief :)
So far with this message board, I've learned that no matter what you post... you're signing up for a heap of grief! Cheers! ;)
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Greens, Been missing you. Where have you been?
A8Papa
Ya think? :huh :headscratch: cool buff looks pretty tough cant wait to comeback n fly it :airplane: :joystick: :o
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The fuel tanks are in the wings though, shooting the fuselage isn't the best way to kill a G4M.
its not just tanks in the wings karnak, the wings are tanks themselves... They put a fuel bladder AROUND the fuel tanks in the wings for the required long distance 2 engine bomber the Japanese navy wanted. a tracer round to the wing and the G4M is dead no matter what. Though i believe a tater to the fuselage should damage it more than that?
(Its kinda funny that if Mitsubishi got to build their 4 engined Betty like they wanted to, it would have had self sealing tanks, armor, and 20mm cannons for all defensive armaments :rofl ) Those darn Imperial Japanese commanders! What were they thinking?!
(also, i love this one... The Betty's engine out did a B17G's engine by (150-200?) HP each) :rofl
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I tried to turn fight one last night, wings snapped off at like 1.5 Gs :rofl :rofl
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So far with this message board, I've learned that no matter what you post... you're signing up for a heap of grief! Cheers! ;)
Pand you registered in Oct 2001 yet only have 94 posts? Where you been man?
Dont mind mash....he is a bit of a frumpy grump from time to time.
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Eh, the people with the fewest posts seem to care more about post count that anyone else. They take pride in it for some reason.
Oh well, here's a dancing banana: :banana:
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This should be sent to HiTech not posted in here.
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This should be sent to HiTech not posted in here.
I couldn't find where to send it originally, and since I haven't been verbally abused in a while, I posted here :)
As of a couple hours ago, the full film and all detail has been sent to support@hitechcreations.com for review.
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The invincible Betty has a K/D of 0.13 so far. :)
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oh i see that the betty has arrived, great cant wait to get home and shoot it down lol
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They seem to burst into flames with no provocation when I fly them :rofl
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Got one ping from ack and I was a flaming lawn dart. :banana:
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Skorpion where arrreeee yoooouu!!!
I blasted your Betty's last night in a Spit 16.
I named the G4M, the Flying Cigar.
Because its fat, round and lights up on the best occasions
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burst into flames with no provocation
Oh cmon...you didn't tease it just a bit? ;)
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Shot my first set of Betty's down just hours after the patch released. I used an A8 with 20mm gun pack. They sure do burn nice when you hit them in the wing. I had enough ammo left to go pork some ord :D
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I tried to turn fight one last night, wings snapped off at like 1.5 Gs :rofl :rofl
Shouldn't be that fragile. It was flammable and unarmored, but it wasn't particularly structurally weak. Saburo Sakai described it being dived for speed and then looped by a G4M pilot who had wanted to be a fighter pilot.
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Not sure how much you fly the 262, but if you hit pretty much any plane, any where with a 30mm tater, it's over... To emphasize the power of the 30mm, If a 262 (or any aircraft shooting 30mm) is too close to the enemy aircraft when the cannon impacts, the blast damage will destroy the shooter.
Misconception, this typically only applies to fighters. Bombers can take quite a tater lashing, including A20s and IL2s.
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Misconception, this typically only applies to fighters. Bombers can take quite a tater lashing, including A20s and IL2s.
Ineed :joystick:
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Shouldn't be that fragile. It was flammable and unarmored, but it wasn't particularly structurally weak. Saburo Sakai described it being dived for speed and then looped by a G4M pilot who had wanted to be a fighter pilot.
"Almost" looped, I believe he said the Betty exploded at the top.
Karnak's point is accurate, though, the Betty was a versatile plane in the 1941-42 time frame. It was known to be a flamer, as were most Japanese planes of the period, but it wasn't as if every Japanese Betty raid resulted in no one coming home.
You could put together a plane set where the US side was limited to Dauntlesses for bombers while, because of their range, Bettys could be used by the Japanese side. Escorted by A6M2s against Wildcats (Guadalcanal) or against P-39Ds and/or P-40Es (Port Moresby), both sides could have a pretty good time.
- oldman (scratching down notes)
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Misconception, this typically only applies to fighters. Bombers can take quite a tater lashing, including A20s and IL2s.
hey Grizz! Have you tried this out with the Betty Yet? I hit his drone in the fuse, in the middle between the back of the wing and the tail with a single 30mm shell and it ripped right in half.
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hey Grizz! Have you tried this out with the Betty Yet? I hit his drone in the fuse, in the middle between the back of the wing and the tail with a single 30mm shell and it ripped right in half.
Not yet, but it took me a while to come to grips that it takes 5-8 taters to kill heavy bombers and I'm letting you know early on. :)
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I flew a Betty sortie today, hotpadded, and went back again, and then landed safely. A few close calls, but because of the brisk ROC I was up at 13k and the cons below me gave up rather than chase (but I was ready! I was waiting to test out that 20mm tail gun).
What strikes me is the rather short range... I get only 30 minutes full power with 25%. Cruise really didn't help the fuel consumption as much as I expected. I thought this plane had about 1600 mi range (if not more) and seemed rather shorter than that. Had to cruise to and from a target merely 50 mi away.
Next time I know better, will take more fuel, but still.... overall? Shouldn't that gas last longer?
P.S. It's quite light on the controls and feels almost aerobatic when the bombs are gone. I pulled some (somewhat) sharp pull-ups and dives, some moves that other bombers might lock up under. Just don't over-stress the wings! They were made with the least amount of metal physically possible to get the job done!
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Not yet, but it took me a while to come to grips that it takes 5-8 taters to kill heavy bombers and I'm letting you know early on. :)
just give it the tracer 30mm to the wing :aok you'll have no problem with one tater killing a betty
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Samnite in his La7 took out 2 of my Bettys and a wingtip on the remaining one in one pass.
He politely waved as I spiralled into the sea shedding parts.
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just give it the tracer 30mm to the wing :aok you'll have no problem with one tater killing a betty
But Pand already said he didn't hit the wing and he's one of the best sticks in the game.
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But Pand already said he didn't hit the wing and he's one of the best sticks in the game.
i was talking to grizz about the tater just having to throw a tracer through the wing...
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Go to Pand's reply to me. :)
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I flew the Betty on a quick cross country sortie last night to try it out. I didn't climb too high, but I did a few touch - and - go's, as well as a series of loops and hammerheads after I had pickeled the bombs. As Krusty said, it is quite light on the controls...a lot of fun to fly! Flying right seat was a bit of a change, too.
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Furthermore, post count aside. You'll never see a whine thread started by me. If a shoot ANY I'm hitting the wing/wing root or cockpit.
:)
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Sorry for the double post, I'm posting from blackberry and I thought my service "hung up". Instead it was the BBS server.
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Sorry for the double post, I'm posting from blackberry and I thought my service "hung up". Instead it was the BBS server.
try triple :aok
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YAHTZEE!!!!
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Way to rack up that post count ! :p
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What post count? :t
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you'll never catch me :P
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:rofl Jayhawk
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Triple Betty Bail - 3 kills without firing a shot... am I that intimidating? :joystick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvKHwuiAZdk
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Just got my response back from Support:
"Pyro looked at it and everything appears to be fine. You just happened to spread the shots across the fuselage and did not hit any critical components in the plane."
Apologize for the hassle Strip! Apparently the 30mm aren't as powerful as I thought they were...(unless they're hitting my aircraft of course) :P
<S> all for the 'engaging' conversation... and helping to get my post count up!