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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Ripsnort on February 15, 2001, 11:02:00 AM
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Here's a man who's given MILLIONS of his wealth away, countless libraries built in various states, just donated 100 million dollars to the research of A.I.D.S.
I admire this man, he's also stated that he plans to give a good portion of his wealth to charities when he passes....
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Here's a man who's given MILLIONS of his wealth away, countless libraries built in various states
Where's My library (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
just donated 100 million dollars to the research of A.I.D.S.
woohoo, what that set him back, 20 miniutes of earning???
I donated money to a Cancer research foundation, where's my statue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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they hate him because he has and they have not ......
Eagler
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Where's My library
That's the problem with America...folks like you who think they are the center of the universe..Me Me Me type thinking...his libraries have been built in areas that are low income, and children that NEED one.
woohoo, what that set him back, 20 miniutes of earning???
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Not quite, but when you're that rich, what does it matter? The folks that benefit from this could give a crap what percentage of his earnings it was...
I donated money to a Cancer research foundation, where's my statue (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Contribute something to society like Gates has, you may get one. Warning: You'll have to earn it though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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WOw, rip disregards smilies as jokes and thinks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) means "im serious"
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Why do they hate him?
Envy.
He's followed the American dream, started with nothing and sits on a huge empire of success, hard work and wise decisions.
You either hate him or love him.
I think he's done more good than harm.
Paul
A wise Vulcan once told me "Only Nixon could go to China."
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
WOw, rip disregards smilies as jokes and thinks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) means "im serious"
Next time use the (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) smilely, the (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) interprets a different attitude, a *wink* smilely says "I'm just joking" But, you did address the widespread problem with Americans! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Actually, I am on a crusade to paint Bill a better image, since I'm invested in his company since 1992, and I'd like to retire next year instead of 14 years from now! (Come on baby, split 4 more times, I'm OUTTA here!)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Here's a man who's given MILLIONS of his wealth away, countless libraries built in various states, just donated 100 million dollars to the research of A.I.D.S.
I admire this man, he's also stated that he plans to give a good portion of his wealth to charities when he passes....
I do not normally get into these type discussions ... that said ...
I also admire Bill Gates for many things that he has done and accomplished, however I DO NOT like the repression M$ has caused in the computer industry.
Examples.
When a far better chip was introduced, M$ used influence to keep it off the market because they had not yet squeezed every dollar out of the previous rendition, and did not have software which could use the new capabilities.
Any new OS that was better than theirs was repressed cause they threatened to pull the OEM license if the OEM offered it as a option.
MS Has never created anything NEW in the industry they just BUY anything which will threaten (in their eyes) existing weaker M$ offerings.
This list is not all inclusive by any means.
Questions
Would you fly on an airplane controlled by any M$ offering?
Would you (if it was your living) do FX or other rendering on a M$ system?
Would you use an ATM protected by M$ software?
They are not bad as a nitendo 9x system but for real work you need a real system. If this were not true IBM, SUN, Apple and SGI would have been gone long ago.
I believe were it not for M$ we would all be running 64 or maybe 128 bit systems today!
Of course this is only my opinion I could be wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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OhNooo
smile awhile
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Actually, he has given away BILLIONS of dollars.
As to why people don't like him, well, he stuck up and the high nail gets hit.
Personally I kinda admire him, he isn't sitting on a huge pile of money, he's using it to maintain control of his company. He is also VERY active in charity work.
The arguement that his company has hurt the computer industry is BS, IMNSHO. I remember what it was like when it was fragmented between multiple OSs. Think of what that would do to the development of something like AH. In order to make a profit, HTC would have had to have written it for 4 or 5 OSs, that would have reduced the quality and massively increased development time. Instead, thanks to Microsoft, we have a single OS that can be developed on and a profit turned.
There are other issues, but I don't want to get into those right now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW, this is more of an O-Club topic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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[This message has been edited by prz (edited 02-15-2001).]
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prz
I think cheap hardware killed quality software. What was the price of 1mb of ram 18 years ago, what about 1 MEGABYTE of hard drive?? MS is just like all software companies today, code FAT because they don't have to be slim and trim. I remember in 92 when $50 a mb for ram was a good deal.. yeah $200 for a 4 mb stick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) 30 pin at that.
Eagler
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I don't envy the man at all. Sure it would be nice to be the richest man in the world (I think) but where I came to dislike the slimeball is in all his business dealings where he has bullied, intimidated, and outright threatened and interfered with legitimate competitors in order to secure Microsoft's lead in the software industry.
All you have to do is read the charges in the government's anti-trust case and the testimony to see. The computer press has been full of cases where Microsoft has stolen code that others refused to license (i.e. Stacker) and there have been numerous cases that Microsoft had to settle because they would lose because they were blatently stealing, etc.
Again, read the charges. Miscrosoft and Bill gates are both slimeballs and I really wish there were alternatives to some software and hardware I use as it pisses me off every time I put even a nickel into their account.
That is why I don't like the guy. He is an utter and complete amazinhunk. His "charity" is probably only to clear his conscience for all the crap he has done to people and companies. Ask IBM, Dell, Gateway, Stacker, Adobe, and a bunch of other companies and officers of same what they think. Ask people who have tried to buy a computer without Windows. You'll get an earful.
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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cause ( amungst other reasons ) i sell pcs for a living and every time some one asks for the microsoft help phone number i bust out laughing. it actually gets me in trouble and i really cant help it ,it friggin happens three times a day. and ohh their pruducts are horrible. and i hear about it constantly.
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PakRat, utterly agree having lived the shorter side of the Mickeysoft stick once. Had a really nasty e-mail with facts in here before but deleted it, learned that you don't mess with Mickeysoft or you may end up being silenced like they silenced many people before. Pretty much, the largest drop in average quality of software in the industry happened due to Mickeysoft in my experience.
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An unemployed man interviews for a job with Microsoft as a cleaner.
The hiring manager arranges for an aptitude test (Section: Floors,
sweeping and cleaning).
After the test, the manager says: You will be hired at a starting
salary of $30 per day. Let me have your e-mail address, so that I
can send you a form to complete and advise you where to report for
work on your first day.
Taken aback, the unemployed man protests that he is neither in
possession of a computer nor of an e-mail address. To this the MS
manager replies: "Well, then, that really means that you virtually
don't exist and can therefore hardly expect to be employed."
Stunned, the man leaves.
Not knowing where to turn and only having about $10 left, he decides
to buy a 10 kg box of tomatoes at the local supermarket. Within less
than 2 hours, he sells the tomatoes singly at 100% profit. Repeating
the process several times more that day, he ends up with almost $100
before going to sleep that night. And thus it dawns on the man that
he could quite easily make a living selling tomatoes. Getting up
early and earlier every day and going to bed later and later, he
multiplies his hoard of profits in quite a short time.
Not too long thereafter, he acquires a cart to transport several
dozen boxes of tomatoes, only to have to trade it in again shortly
afterwards on a pick-up truck. By the end of the second year, he is a
greengrocer with a fleet of trucks and a staff of over a hundred
former unemployed people.
Considering the future of his wife and children, he decides to buy
some life insurance. Calling an insurance adviser, he picks an
insurance plan to fit his new circumstances. At the end of the
telephone conversation, the adviser asks him for his e-mail address
in order that he might forward the documentation.
When the man replies that he has no e-mail, the adviser is stunned:
"What, you don't even have e-mail? How on earth have you managed to
amass such wealth without the Internet, e-mail and e-commerce? Just
imagine where you would have been by now, if you had been connected
from the very start!"
After a moment's silence, the tomato millionaire replied: "Sure! I
would have been a cleaner at Microsoft!"
Morals of the story:
1: The Internet, e-mail and e-commerce do not need to rule your life.
2: If you don't have e-mail, but work hard, you can still become a millionaire.
3: Seeing that you got this story via e-mail, you're probably closer
to becoming a cleaner than you are to becoming a millionaire.
4: if you do have a computer and e-mail, Microsoft is already taking
you to the cleaners.
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Unbelievable
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I don't hate him...I just refuse to pay for any of MS's software. 'nuff said.
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Lars
***MOL***
Men Of Leisure
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I don't hate him...I just refuse to pay for any of MS's software. 'nuff said.
CC
.squelch Gates
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Microsoft is the leader because they provide what the market demands. The market demands, above all else, uniformity. Standards. That is why it is so hypocritical to complain about MS being a momopoly, when a monopoly is exactly what the market demands. Microsoft figured out that standardization was the key a long time ago, and put themselves in a position to give the market what it demanded.
Don't delude yourselves into thinking things would be different if it was a complany other than Microsoft. It wouldn't be. Aside from some predatory contract practices, Microsoft has simply provided for the demands of the market, and been rewarded for it. The fact that they are still the leaders in the market says that they continue to provide products that fill the customer's needs. They have no competitors in the OS space that even realize what the #1 driving need of the market is. Uniformity.
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Lephturn - Aces High Chief Trainer
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"Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know." - Michel Eyquem, seigneur de Montaigne. (1533–1592)
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Now for AH some guys crying about including MAC users... why not...
now imagine that you have 40 different OS , how do you play to AH ? AH would compatible with 5 or 6 of them, and the others not ...
I'm not please with the microsoft monopole , but i've to admit that microsoft had make a good work for the PC standardisation
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Microsoft figured out that standardization was the key
You've really got to be kidding, "standardization" should be swapped with "proprietary" in that post. By the way everyone is proprietary, they only allow others to play when the pay for the license.
I don't like nor dislike the "man", I've never met him. However, because of my line of work I am exposed to many different OS's and Software. It has been my experience that if you want unpredictability and instability along with the ease-of-use that a pimply faced "point-and-click-admin" can maintain the System......well then you use M$ products.
However, If your a bit nutty and enjoy not having system failures and also enjoy the power of 64 bit computing then you will most likely go with a Unix based system, oh and the guy that maintains that system will actually need to know a thing or two about it. I'm tired of hearing about "Intuitive" interfaces and GUI's....It doesn't need to bo "Intuitive" if you know what the hell your doing. Note I sayed "Unix" not "Linux", yes, there is a difference.
Ahh but there I went ..... /rant
I hate when I do that.
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XO, VMF-222
"The Flyin' Deuces"
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Acid come play AH with your Unix... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
And who have pay for microsoft licence ?
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i dont hate him, he was a smart and lucky businessman who did what he could to succeed.
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I meant standardization in terms of a standard interface, not in regards to "open standards".
Uniformity is a better word.
LOL, the whole *nix geek "we are superior" thing is really very similar to the Luftwobblies denigrating their own rides in order to claim superior pilot skill. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Lephturn - Aces High Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
Check out Lephturn's Aerodrome! (http://users.andara.com/~sconrad/)
"Nothing is so firmly believed as that which we least know." - Michel Eyquem, seigneur de Montaigne. (1533–1592)
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nonoht,
you might not have payed for your copy of winblowz but how do you think HT got the source's and SDK's necessary to develop any game for winblowz.
And overall, there is probably more than 40 different OS's, M$ alone has 7 without counting the "SE's" and Service Packs. It just so happens that the majority use M$, as it is tailored for individual ease of use.
Oh and Lephty we *nix geeks don't all think it is ourselves that are superior but the OS itself and the Hardware that *nix is capable of running on is clearly superior to M$. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(edit) Thats it....I'm done, I'm not reading the thread anymore. I get too emotional about the whole nix vs. M$ thing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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XO, VMF-222
"The Flyin' Deuces"
[This message has been edited by AcId (edited 02-26-2001).]
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Hmmmm,...Lephturn...
I have had to work on the technical side of MS products and many Unix's over the years.
Technically,..Unix is a better OS than anything that MS has ever released. This is mainly due to the long development cycle Unix has enjoyed.
I like the fact that I can do whatever I want, from a programming aspect, in Unix and not worry about crashing the OS. I can't say that about MS operating systems.
Being a fully protected mode operating system does give Unix some advantages that a MS OS will not have until they can get rid of real-mode.
I also like open standards. Unix has proven that you can have open standards and still evolve.
I have code I wrote 20 years ago that will run on any Unix that is available today. It has to be recompiled, but that is all that it needs. I can't say the same for MS OS's.
MS has a proven track record of taking open standards and changing them. Look at what they did with PPP. NT has extensions for PPP that will not work with anything other than a MS OS. On that topic, they are still shipping a PPP driver that violates the latest standards and forces the rest of the world to maintain special code so it will work with MS products.
These are but a few simple facts. Make of it what you will.
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
President, AppLink Corp.
http://www.applink.net
skuzzy@applink.net
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Rip..
Why do i hate him!
Well, its just a carry over from high school. I hate all geeks. Even if they have money.
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Leph - many things over the years damn Microsoft and it isn't because they have strived for uniformity. Skuzzy is right - they have actually bastardized standards to further their own interests and frustrate and derail competitors.
HTML - was a standard. Netscape supported the standard. Microsoft came in and changed the "standard" while giving away Internet Explorer and Front Page so there would be their own "competing" standard and to derail Netscape. You see, Netscape was damn close to having what amounted to an operating system and Microsoft just would not tolerate that. Applets could run in Netscape Navigator and therefore have functionality beyond that offered by Microsoft. In MS's view, Netscape had to die. It's now almost dead.
Java - was also a standard. Microsoft started selling their "development environment" which included a lot of non-standard stuff specifically to derail Sun. Java programmers using the MS development environment quickly found out their code wasn't portable - one of the features of Java. But is Microsoft helping the community by including all these "features" that conflict with those already in the standard?
How about standards? They create one and then refuse to tell competitors about OS hooks that effectively cripple the competing products. This was documented over and over. They enjoy the OS functionality they build in and then not tell others - and even build in tests designed to thwart competitor's software and slow it down or cripple functionality.
Microsoft used Internet Explorer 5 to derail Netscape by linking it into the operating system in ways that actuall slow down the OS. Anyone who removed IE5 was, in the words of one Microsoft employee, "We will bind the shell to the Internet Explorer, so that running any other browser is a jolting experience."
I had to help several friends rebuild their systems when they tried to "uninstall" IE5 and it totally and completly wrecked Windows. Cost me quite a few hours and them quite a bit of $$$ in long distance as I talked them through backups and the rebuild.
How about the threats to Intel to support rival AMD if Intel was to add processor instructions that would allow multimedia content enhancements Microsoft had already coded into their ActiveX crap?
Anyone who thinks Microsoft is getting the short end of the DOJ suit should examine the Findings of Fact (http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm).
It is very funny - the Findings are available in Acrobat, Word Perfect, and traditional HTML format. All three were in various ways victims of Microsoft's bullying. No Word format is offered (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). Who says government employees don't have a sense of humor?
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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I dont hate Bill. In fact ALL HAIL THE GOD THAT IS BILL. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Bill Gates has made me very successful and moderately well off. Without Bill I would probably be working at McDonalds. Thanks to him (and his crappy O/S's) I've made serious money fixing things and explaining things to losers.....um.....I mean users. To me it's all easy, understandable, logical.......to losers it all seems incomprehensible. So I'll continue as a contractor as long as I can, I'm on the gravy train here.....and it's all thanks to Bill.
Um.....actually, it's not *all* thanks to Bill, especially as right now I'm a Unix consultant (they spelt it wrong, it should be spelt Eunuchs....cos it aint got the equipment and it aint capable), but it was M$ products that got me a foot in the door of the contracting world in the first place.
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[This message has been edited by Swoop (edited 02-27-2001).]
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lol Swoop. Reminds me of the bumper sticker an employee put on my wall one day..."Unix has no balls".
You are correct about how many people have made a living off of MS mess-ups.
My sales of E-Mail servers and support contracts went through the roof after MS released W2K. Of course, I have an outrageous support policy. I give a 100% refund if the server crashes/fails within 1 year of installation.
Never had to make that refund yet, but I have lost some support contracts because of it as well. "Roy, why do we need a support contract,..the thing just works".
There are things that are easily accomplished on a Unix based server that simply cannot be done on a MS based server. It also is significantly cheaper to accomplish those things in Unix versus MS. Of course, you do give up the proprietary MS stuff when you choose Unix as your OS. Small price to pay for stability though, especially when your business depends on that server.
MS has done some good things for Unix, at large. Prior to MS jumping into the server OS market, everyone complained about how complex and difficult Unix was/is. It did not take long for MS to make Unix look good.
I can always tell when a client brings up a W2K server and enables DNS. Our DNS servers get flooded with DNS update requests. As a non-authoritative DNS server, it is illegal (by all standards) for it to update DNS records, but this is one of the many things MS violated in W2K. I pity the ISP who has not put in the security measures to prevent this from happening.
They also ignore the SOA records in the DNS database, creating thier own proprietary record format.
What about IPv6? This is scary. Most Unixes have at least rudimentary support for IPv6. MS still has a TCP/IP stack that does not conform to the current IPv4 standard. I shudder to think what they are going to do to IPv6. The reason it worries me? MS has not participated in the IPv6 standards consortium.
Anyway,....most of what I talk about concerns the low level stuff, such as networking and development, which are primary concerns of mine. From an application viewpoint, MS wins hands down. You cannot argue with the fact there are more applications available for MS products than any other OS out there. This is truly where MS's strength lies.
If a significant number of applications become available for another OS, MS might find themselves in trouble. I can only hope. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
President, AppLink Corp.
http://www.applink.net
skuzzy@applink.net
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Totally agree Skuzzy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thankfully I got away from desktop and user support some time ago. Dunno how people do it, many's the time I've put the phone on mute and asked a colleague to please shoot me.
And then you get the secretary who's a total expert on Word and just because I dont give a cr*p and havn't learned *every* keyboard shortcut she decides she knows more than me.....and thinks I'm wrong when I say she really shouldnt be using the CD rom as a cup holder or have the goldfish bowl on top of the monitor. Sigh. (L)users.
But now I'm 3rd level ISP support and ya know what? Helpdesk operators are worse than lusers could ever be. Not only are they all braindead but most of em seem to think that once they've learned 3 commands to run on an RS6K, now they're all Unix experts. I tell someone to report a fault to PTT and I get back "I dial the number ok". Bollocks, I reply. A verbal exchange ensues usually involving me wanting to know which God granted the miracle of getting a connection to a gateway with no active lines running into it.
Worse still is any and all kinds of non-technical management. Why do they insist on knowing what the exact defined meaning of what a "Gateway" is? Who cares what Remote Access Operational Support actually means? Even once explained they dont understand it anyway.
And how come they never believe me when I tell em it's normal proceedure to get an Easter bonus?
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[This message has been edited by Swoop (edited 02-28-2001).]