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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: kilo2 on December 16, 2010, 05:21:17 AM
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I have been working on this for a while now here and there. Sat down at midnight to add a bit more, got into it and next thing I know its 5 am.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKHhv7ojLU
Hope you like it :banana: :salute
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:aok
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It was "okay"
Much as I like the Ta152 as a subject in AH videos, this one was mostly killshots, not much fighting or manuvering.... Several times you just see the hits and not the results because the enemy has flown past the screen, but you keep going.
The one time it looks like you're actually going to manuver at the very end with the P-38, the video ends!
But I suppose that's just personal taste in what folks want to see in these videos.
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I liked it. Like the gun camera to help me sort out proper lead.
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It was "okay"
Much as I like the Ta152 as a subject in AH videos, this one was mostly killshots, not much fighting or manuvering.... Several times you just see the hits and not the results because the enemy has flown past the screen, but you keep going.
The one time it looks like you're actually going to manuver at the very end with the P-38, the video ends!
But I suppose that's just personal taste in what folks want to see in these videos.
Well thanks I guess. This is all kill shots but it wasn't suppose to be anything other than that.
A couple of the kill shots were real fights, one a 2 min 30 second one which would have left about 30 seconds to fill with other stuff. Kinda why I did not go that direction. Also there is a couple of things I want before I put a good fight on film and that would be track IR because the snap just looks awful to me. Also sony vegas because windows free video maker just does not have as many options.
Oh when I hit them and they fly off the screen it's implied they die.
Fun fact the 38 killed me in the end :salute
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Well thanks I guess. This is all kill shots but it wasn't suppose to be anything other than that.
Well that's fair. :aok
It was nice shooting. I wasn't putting it down.
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nice vid, i liked the rolling snapshot about 2/3 through.
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Heres mine, I tried to just use mostly my views for the kills :salute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_7QtXwcSo
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Fun fact the 38 killed me in the end :salute
Was wondering since it ended with you looking over your shoulder. Nice shooting. :aok
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Heres mine, I tried to just use mostly my views for the kills :salute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_7QtXwcSo
Junky, you pull this wing-over, roll-over type of manuver at 2:25 or so, and another similar at 3:40 or so. Most times I try something like that I end up in a flat spin or tail spin.
Can you give a little description of how you pull that off? I have a tendency to want to chop throttle when I do that.
- what airspeedwere you?
- what controls (i.e. full right rudder, nose down, rolling into the target)?
- How do you get that stall-in-place side-slip going without departing?
Thanks!
For my small contribution to the Ta152 arena, some time ago, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY6If-bmizk&feature=related
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Junky, you pull this wing-over, roll-over type of manuver at 2:25 or so, and another similar at 3:40 or so. Most times I try something like that I end up in a flat spin or tail spin.
Can you give a little description of how you pull that off? I have a tendency to want to chop throttle when I do that.
- what airspeedwere you?
- what controls (i.e. full right rudder, nose down, rolling into the target)?
- How do you get that stall-in-place side-slip going without departing?
Thanks!
For my small contribution to the Ta152 arena, some time ago, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY6If-bmizk&feature=related
I don't know how JunkyII pulls his wing over but I stay full throttle and treat it similar to a hammerhead. But then again I always pull over to the right. Very nice move on junkys part
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Krusty, that is like a hammerhead (I think someone said that before me ;) ) I'd say near stall point you kick rudder. That is what I do (although I die doing that a lot, so don't take it from me).
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I don't know how JunkyII pulls his wing over but I stay full throttle and treat it similar to a hammerhead. But then again I always pull over to the right. Very nice move on junkys part
Junky, you pull this wing-over, roll-over type of manuver at 2:25 or so, and another similar at 3:40 or so. Most times I try something like that I end up in a flat spin or tail spin.
Can you give a little description of how you pull that off? I have a tendency to want to chop throttle when I do that.
- what airspeedwere you?
- what controls (i.e. full right rudder, nose down, rolling into the target)?
- How do you get that stall-in-place side-slip going without departing?
Thanks!
For my small contribution to the Ta152 arena, some time ago, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY6If-bmizk&feature=related
Like Sukov, I always stall to the right or atleast try to, It feels more stable and you can control your nose better with throttle work.
When I hit the top of my vertical move I actually cross control, full left rudder and pushing my stick forward to the right as much as I can to bring the nose around quick but not too fast where it sends me into the stall you talk about.
Ill look at the film for airspeed and get back to you. :salute
EDIT: I don't know if you will believe me but the move was started at 50MPH. Im a "fly by the seat of my pants" type guy, I could never explain the stuff I do like the trainers can.
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I think I know what you're describing, I just haven't actually experienced it in the 152. Believe it or not, it's a move I've used often enough on the I-16 and C2!
Thanks!
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the last 2 times i flew a 152 I got into a fatal flat spin while trying a rolling turn
i didnt even get to shoot at anyone. :rock
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Oddly enough, on my last 152 sortie I was banked right on the deck (maybe 100-200 feet) and rolled until I was banked to the right, and while still at considerable speed - mid range 250 or so - I began pulling back.
I didn't turn. I kept flying one way and totally skidded sideways. There was no way I could recover... I just kept skidding sideways and then almost backwards (for NO reason!). I ended up trying to correct, even though I never STALLED in the first place. Rode her into the ground trying to figure out wtf happened.
I still say the flight model on that thing is porked. It never did this crap in AH1. It was actually competitive in AH1.
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hmm, i was pretty sure it was my fault it happened.
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the last 2 times i flew a 152 I got into a fatal flat spin while trying a rolling turn
i didnt even get to shoot at anyone. :rock
noob!!! :D
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Careful Junky, everyone knows that Batfink's mosquito bites like a Grizzly bear :devil
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Careful Junky, everyone knows that Batfink's mosquito bites like a Grizzly bear :devil
My 152> Bats Mossy :devil
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Oddly enough, on my last 152 sortie I was banked right on the deck (maybe 100-200 feet) and rolled until I was banked to the right, and while still at considerable speed - mid range 250 or so - I began pulling back.
I didn't turn. I kept flying one way and totally skidded sideways. There was no way I could recover... I just kept skidding sideways and then almost backwards (for NO reason!). I ended up trying to correct, even though I never STALLED in the first place. Rode her into the ground trying to figure out wtf happened.
I still say the flight model on that thing is porked. It never did this crap in AH1. It was actually competitive in AH1.
Tail slide you can use that if you have enough alt and ride it to nose down dive. Great move if you're desperate.
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If you're desperate to return to the hangar quickly for a new ride, you mean?
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If you're desperate to return to the hangar quickly for a new ride, you mean?
You can live through it and get kills its tricky though(if you have the alt). The desperation is that its really 50/50 you have to be right on the edge of that nasty tail first stall.
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My 152> Bats Mossy :devil
depends who sees who first
co-alt in Da, 152 will die to mossie no question :t
but i am a noob.
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depends who sees who first
co-alt in Da, 152 will die to mossie no question :t
but i am a noob.
HAHA would be some fun fights for sure though.
:salute
EDIT: I don't know if this is actually helping me get out of the stalls but I fire my guns and my nose seems to drop nose down......try it...may be a bug
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hehe, well only one way to find out. 10,000 straight duels, Junky, starting NOW!
PS: thanks for that tip
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DAMMIT!! why post this video!! aargh i wanna fly that much more <sniffle> dam u 152 driver you! <S> :salute nice video
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Oddly enough, on my last 152 sortie I was banked right on the deck (maybe 100-200 feet) and rolled until I was banked to the right, and while still at considerable speed - mid range 250 or so - I began pulling back.
I didn't turn. I kept flying one way and totally skidded sideways. There was no way I could recover... I just kept skidding sideways and then almost backwards (for NO reason!). I ended up trying to correct, even though I never STALLED in the first place. Rode her into the ground trying to figure out wtf happened.
I still say the flight model on that thing is porked. It never did this crap in AH1. It was actually competitive in AH1.
You unwittingly did just the right maneuvering to get the tail to derail. The next time it happens (and it's not hard to reproduce once you figure out what triggers it), if you watch carefully you'll see the sideways tail departure and if it's as slow as the one you describe sounds, it should be pretty easy to catch while it's still developing. There's different ways it happens and correspondingly different control inputs to counter it, but IIRC all of them include max rudder opposite to the direction it's derailing towards.
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:O Moot!?!?! How have you been?! Better yet, where have you been?!
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I've had the tail derail twice on me. Once was when I was coming in to land, going around 150-200 when I found myself flying backwards all of a sudden... Found out the 152 doesn't like to land tail first right quick. :rofl
The second time around, it actually saved my arse. 2 of us were attacking a set of 17's, and after I completed a flanking pass on them, I quickly came back around to try and peg him from a low 8 o'clock. At that time, he was firing at the other plane so I figured I'd try and peg one of his drones (yes, I was being a little impatient :lol). As soon as I had my nose on his 17's, he stopped shooting at the other guy, started firing at me. I quickly put full right rudder, hard right when the tail derailed on me. Stopped me on a dime and I dropped straight down. He went from 800 to 1.5k right quick and I lost 2-3k alt before I recovered (still not too sure how I pulled off the quick recover :headscratch:).
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No matter how hard i try to mimic the 152s weird stalls n spins is beyond my belief. i wana know why. i always get the 152 to stall n feather down to death when im not patient.
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Hey Bearkats. Been ok.. Real busy with schoolwork.
Greens - Try getting a feel for it by flying in chase view (smooth, not fixed, outside view). Turn on smoke and just watch how it behaves and reacts. Memorize one maneuver (or a few different ones) that consistently take you into spins, and repeat it in chase view with smoke on. Try to make departure as smooth as you can, and then try to recover it later and later into departure, starting as early as you're comfortable with.
Like you said it takes patience if it doesn't seem to make sense right away. Try not to fight with the plane but find how to guide it using its own natural tendencies.
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Hey Bearkats. Been ok.. Real busy with schoolwork.
Greens - Try getting a feel for it by flying in chase view (smooth, not fixed, outside view). Turn on smoke and just watch how it behaves and reacts. Memorize one maneuver (or a few different ones) that consistently take you into spins, and repeat it in chase view with smoke on. Try to make departure as smooth as you can, and then try to recover it later and later into departure, starting as early as you're comfortable with.
Like you said it takes patience if it doesn't seem to make sense right away. Try not to fight with the plane but find how to guide it using its own natural tendencies.
When are you coming back.
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Can't any time soon, as much as I want to. Dropping by the forums every now and then to help out where I can is the best I can do for the near future.
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Someone once explained to me, I think it was moot, that because the 152 has such a long tail, to much rudder when rolling can alter the center of gravity making the plane stall like that. This is even more so at slower speed around 250-180
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very nice. Love the plane :aok
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I always try to limit the amount of time when I'm vertical and trying to do the wingover. If someone topples over, don't waste any time, go immediately after them. I find that if you kick rudder hard, you can push down on the joystick immediately and still keep control.
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I always try to limit the amount of time when I'm vertical and trying to do the wingover. If someone topples over, don't waste any time, go immediately after them. I find that if you kick rudder hard, you can push down on the joystick immediately and still keep control.
I actually push forward and to the left...I think :uhoh It will send you into a spin but throttle +rudder work gets you out right away for the most part
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I actually push forward and to the left...I think :uhoh It will send you into a spin but throttle +rudder work gets you out right away for the most part
I've tried that before, if I kick rudder left, I will usually kick opposite rudder once "level" and push forward to whichever direction I feel needs it most.
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I've tried that before, if I kick rudder left, I will usually kick opposite rudder once "level" and push forward to whichever direction I feel needs it most.
If you burn aft tank the plane should automatically come towards level from vertical :aok
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great video in op, love the choice of deadmau5
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If you burn aft tank the plane should automatically come towards level from vertical :aok
:O Whoooooooooaaaaaaaaaaa. You blew my mind, dude.
Forgot about tank usage when I was flying the thing.... Back to the drawing board for this dummy. :bhead
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Hey Bearkats. Been ok.. Real busy with schoolwork.
Greens - Try getting a feel for it by flying in chase view (smooth, not fixed, outside view). Turn on smoke and just watch how it behaves and reacts. Memorize one maneuver (or a few different ones) that consistently take you into spins, and repeat it in chase view with smoke on. Try to make departure as smooth as you can, and then try to recover it later and later into departure, starting as early as you're comfortable with.
Like you said it takes patience if it doesn't seem to make sense right away. Try not to fight with the plane but find how to guide it using its own natural tendencies.
Flying in offline aint the same as flying in the MA in my opinion. seems different. But ya m00t, i will try to master the stall thingy part.
<S> greens