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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: jimson on December 20, 2010, 09:16:04 AM
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(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll149/jimsom88/kursk.png)
This is Shifty's set up, recreating the Kursk salient with the Hungary map.
Basically the battle should be contained from the 12 line North to the 16 line South then from the
18 line West to the 14 line East. All bases not in these areas are neutral.
GV's only for capture.
Any questions, comments or observations are welcomed.
Following the destruction of 6th Army at Stalingrad and the German counter offensive on the southern wing of the Eastern Front in early 1943, both sides were in dire need of an operational pause. This arrived in the form of the spring thaw and the poor ground conditions it created.
During this time both sides looked for an opportunity to regain the initiative. The Germans saw an opportunity with the Kursk salient. The salient, between Orel and Belgorod, jutted westwards for some eighty miles. The Germans planned to cut the base of the salient with a pincer movement. From the north, a heavily reinforced 9th Army would attack from Orel through Ponyri towards Kursk. In the south the 4th Panzer Army would attack from the southwest of Belgorod through Oboyan and link up with the northern pincer at Kursk.
Setup:
GERMANY- Rooks
Aircraft:
BF-109G2
BF-109G6
BF-110G
FW-190A5
FW-190F
JU-87
JU-88
C-47
GVs:
Panther
Pnzr IV
Tiger-1
SDKFz 251
Ostwind
Bases:
A-4
A-5
A-8
A-10
A-16
A-18
A-25
A-26
A-30
A-41
V-19
V-32
V-38
P-23
P-24
P-47
RUSSIA- Bishops
Aircraft:
Yak-9T
LA-5N
IL-2
P-39Q Lend Lease
P-40E Lend Lease
Boston Lend Lease
C-47
GVs
T-34
T-34/85
M-3
M-16
Bases:
A-1
A-2
A-3
A-15
A-17
A-20
A-21
A-37
A-42
A-50
V-11
V-22
V-27
V-31
V-42
V-44
V-46
P-14
P-49
ARENA SETTINGS
Map: Hungary
Killshooter is on.
Visibility is 12.0 miles
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Ack settings are .25
Base capture: 10 troops
Town down for capture 50%
Radar (1943)
Sector 316,800
Tower 132,000
Icons Enemy Off Friendly 3K
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Sweet :rock
Don't forget the gunner's name is John Rambo, and he is ready to take that Panther Pintle and place it where ........
(http://images.zaazu.com/img/rambo-rambo-john-gun-smiley-emoticon-000137-medium.gif)..eh...eh..eh..eh..ee..eee.ee ee..ah.ah..aaaaaaaaaaaaah.... ... :noid
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Looks like some decent ground warring could go on
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Looks like some decent ground warring could go on
If the Lord is willin and the map don't pork. ;)
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No A20's for the Soviets?
:salute
BigRat
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No A20's for the Soviets?
Did they have it in 1943?
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GUYS, there Were NO TANKS In The Battel Of Kursk... OMG. It was a JEEP battle :rolleyes: :bolt:
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HERETIC!!!!!
Somebody get me a packet of gravel
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There were no T-34/85s at Kursk. They had not yet been prototyped, let alone deployed.
Then again, our version of the Panther is also too late for Kursk.
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There were no T-34/85s at Kursk. They had not yet been prototyped, let alone deployed.
Then again, our version of the Panther is also too late for Kursk.
Panthers were rushed into service at Kursk so we will call the Panther G a sub for that Panther, and we will fudge a little by using the T-34/85 as a more effective counter to both the Tiger and Panther.
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There were no T-34/85s at Kursk. They had not yet been prototyped, let alone deployed.
Then again, our version of the Panther is also too late for Kursk.
Good points. With the concessions that we have to make with the availability of historical representatives, I guess that presenting a somewhat level "playing" ground is the reason for the choices. Maybe we should ammend the Message to denote they are replacements for the actual historical units. And just read Jimson's reply during my attempt to post, and it seems that I was correct.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Sovietic_T34_battle_of_kursk.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-244-2321-34%2C_Ostfront-S%C3%BCd%2C_Panzer_V_%28Panther%29.jpg/220px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-244-2321-34%2C_Ostfront-S%C3%BCd%2C_Panzer_V_%28Panther%29.jpg)
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luckily us well trained panther and tiger drivers will kill most of them anyway!
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I believe the Su 85 tank destroyer entered service at around the time of Kursk, although I'm not sure if there were any actually involved in the battle. That's pretty much a T-34/85 but without the turret.
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Did they have it in 1943?
The soviets should of had the C model if I remember correctly by then. The G model we have was produced at about the time of Kursk, doubt the Russians got them that quick though. But the G could be a sub for the C. Same as using the Panther G as a sub for the D model that was at Kursk. I haven't found any info of A20 units being used at Kursk, but that doesn't mean they weren't there.
:salute
BigRat
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:furious Okay, VACATION IS OVER!!
Lap up the last of that warm grub, and kiss that buxom beauty good bye. Grab some cigars or vodka from the grateful farmers and head back to your units.
As soon as you get the lids closed on those tin cans of yours, you should be seeing some pretty intense action NNW of the Headquaters.
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? :furious
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tonight :D
Spent the weekend chilling out, cooking, hanging out with Squid, playing some X box, meant to try xplane so that's on my to do list for the coming long weekend. But yes tonight AVA :D
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Reporting for duty, Sir! Gonna take the rest of the day to get all the straw outta my hair. :bolt: