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Title: Trivia #7
Post by: Gaboon on December 22, 2010, 07:36:53 PM
What major flaw did the Typhoon develop during high speed flight.
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Post by: Tarstar on December 22, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Ummmmmm.. A tendency to RUN AWAY?  :lol
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Post by: kilo2 on December 22, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
Ummmmmm.. A tendency to RUN AWAY?  :lol
:rofl
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Post by: Big Rat on December 22, 2010, 07:48:20 PM
Didn't it lose it's tail section :headscratch:

 :salute
BigRat
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Post by: Melvin on December 22, 2010, 07:48:45 PM
Ummmmmm.. A tendency to RUN AWAY?  :lol

Game, set, match.
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Post by: oakranger on December 22, 2010, 08:01:56 PM
It was a little bit unstable.
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Post by: LCADolby on December 22, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
Wasnt the rudder canvas and it would tear?
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Post by: Gaboon on December 22, 2010, 08:40:54 PM
Bigrat your partly right yes the tail section did have a tendency to come off the cause of this was due mainly to " harmonic vibration"
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Post by: Slash27 on December 22, 2010, 10:02:30 PM
Dammit, I knew that one!
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Post by: nrshida on December 23, 2010, 12:29:44 AM
Quick, add it to the bug list immediately!  :rofl
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Post by: Karnak on December 23, 2010, 12:35:32 AM
Quick, add it to the bug list immediately!  :rofl
Only a small number were lost that way before modifications were done.  The fish plates around the rear fuselage you see on all the Typhoon skins stopped it by way of brute strengthening rather than fixing the root cause, but it did stop it.
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Post by: ACE on December 23, 2010, 12:38:32 AM
Ummmmmm.. A tendency to RUN AWAY?  :lol

Priceless
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Post by: nrshida on December 23, 2010, 12:44:12 AM
Only a small number were lost that way before modifications were done.  

Yes, I imagined so, but it was a funny thought.

I understand that the Bf109F suffered a similar problem during development.
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Post by: Wildcat1 on December 23, 2010, 12:47:24 AM
Ummmmmm.. A tendency to RUN AWAY?  :lol

 :rofl
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Post by: MajWoody on December 23, 2010, 09:24:39 PM
Sig material there.  :D
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Post by: Tyrannis on December 24, 2010, 01:55:31 AM
What major flaw did the Typhoon develop during high speed flight.

the desire to HO then run when said HO attempt failed.
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Post by: drgondog on December 27, 2010, 08:38:02 AM
Bigrat your partly right yes the tail section did have a tendency to come off the cause of this was due mainly to " harmonic vibration"

Do you mean "resonance and then failure" due specific vibration frequencies? and what was the source - wake turbulence, flutter or engine rpm (unlikely)
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Post by: Furball on December 27, 2010, 08:15:41 PM
Only a small number were lost that way before modifications were done.  The fish plates around the rear fuselage you see on all the Typhoon skins stopped it by way of brute strengthening rather than fixing the root cause, but it did stop it.

I read somewhere about a flight of Typhoons trying to bounce some 190s over Dieppe, they damaged two, but two of the Typhoons tails broke off in the initial dive and ended up in the dirt.  I am not at home for a week or so, but will try to dig it out when I get back.

One of the biggest problems early on was engine reliability on the Sabre and the forced early introduction to counter the hit and run raids by 190s on the south coast of England.  The Typhoon squadrons would patrol up and down the channel at low level and quite often the engine would fail.  They were too low to bail out so would have to attempt to ditch.  The radiator on the nose meant that the aircraft had a tendency to nose in and dive beneath the surface rather than float.  There is an account of one pilot who had this happen to him, and he ended up sitting at the bottom of the English Channel in the cockpit, which was turning out to be a pretty good air chamber.  He managed to get the canopy off and make it to the surface for rescue.
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Post by: Guppy35 on December 27, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
The Dieppe incident is one I've read about too.    The Spit XII drivers had to watch out for Tiffies too as they had a tendency to bounce clipped wing Spits thinking they were 109s.

The 109F had the same problem with tails coming off early on as well.