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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tyrannis on December 22, 2010, 10:41:30 PM
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just curious. but out of all the AH planes, which ones still are around today? and how many are actually still flyable or sitting in a museum?
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In reference to the Mustang, a few years back I had a book on P51's......lost the book in a move and can't remember the title. However, I do recall that in the index of said book there was a listing of all known flying and static P51's and their respective "homes". I'm sure it is no longer accurate as I know a few have been restored since then. Maybe, some of our BBS brethren know the book of which I speak. I do remember that the cover had a P51 parked and chalked, marked in invasion stripes....man this getting older thing sucks :furious
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as far as i know there are 2 FM-2's still in perfect flying condition :D
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Feel free to take your time wading through this site. Should answer your question fairly well.
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/
This one covers the Axis aircraft survivors very well
http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/
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Couple of years ago in Columbus Ohio, there was the Gathering of Mustangs and Ledgends.
Here is the list of ones that actually made the flight in; of course there are still a lot sitting in museums or didn't make the flight in. On the other hand, probably less than 10 P-61s left in the world.
A68-100
A68-175 / 44-74950a
A68-187 / 44-74839a
42-103293
42-103831
43-25147
43-43335
43-6006
44-13250
44-13257
44-14985
44-63476
44-63507
44-63663
44-63864
44-63889
44-63893
44-72051
44-72145
44-72438
44-72777
44-72907
44-72922
44-72934
44-72942
44-73029
44-73053
44-73140
44-73206
44-73210
44-73264
44-73279
44-73287
44-73415
44-73420
44-73463
44-73518
44-73543
44-73656
44-73704
44-73856
44-74009
44-74230
44-74389
44-74391
44-74446
44-74453
44-74458
44-74466
44-74474
44-74497
44-74502
44-74506
44-74524
44-74543
44-74739
44-74813
44-74878
44-74976
44-84390
44-84410
44-84615
44-84634
44-84745
44-84786
44-84860
44-84900
44-84933
45-11391
45-11439
45-11453
45-11471
45-11507
45-11540
45-11553
45-11559
45-11586
67-14866
67-22581
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I'm always surprised at how few are left, if any.
eg. no Whirlwinds surviving at all (only about 100 made tho), but of the 3000+ Typhoons made there is just one survivor :(
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Britain scrapped alot of aircraft and ships after WWII.
I think (someone will correct me) we only have HMS Belfast in London and HMS Cavalier (destroyer) in Chatham. I suppose you blokes have more room over there - we haven't got a bloody great desert to mothball aircraft in.
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Only one 152 left and it is neither in museum or flying condition :cry
Green 4 is housed at the Smithsonian waiting for restoration.
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Britain scrapped alot of aircraft and ships after WWII.
I think (someone will correct me) we only have HMS Belfast in London and HMS Cavalier (destroyer) in Chatham. I suppose you blokes have more room over there - we haven't got a bloody great desert to mothball aircraft in.
bankrupted by 2 world wars we couldnt afford to preserve alot of warships, needed the scrap for rebuilding too. there was also a real desire to put the wars behind us. iirc we have about a dozen preserved navy ships and boats total, they are all pretty cool though. Victory and Warrior are just jaw-dropping.
what is more shocking to me is the quantity and quality of ships that we used for gunnery practise during WWII. anything big that could float and wasnt servicable was destroyed, regardless of whether it was 200yrs old or historically significant. :cry
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Only one 152 left and it is neither in museum or flying condition :cry
Green 4 is housed at the Smithsonian waiting for restoration.
Wow that is a shame. I'm relieved that the Smithsonian has only remaining one. Hopefully one day I'll be able to see it.
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I believe the only flying B-25H is wintering in Deland, Florida at the Municipal Airport. They are offering flights in this bird and I am quite tempted as it is only a short drive from the homestead. I give you the Barbie III:
(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Prescott2006/Highlights/Barbie3TakingOff.jpg)
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There's a Lancaster based in Ontario that still flys and I know theres a B17 that tours the airshow circuit.
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There's a Lancaster based in Ontario that still flys and I know theres a B17 that tours the airshow circuit.
That Lancaster is one of two surviving in flyable condition..I got a chance to see it here in Michigan a couple years ago.
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There's a Lancaster based in Ontario that still flys and I know theres a B17 that tours the airshow circuit.
Actually they had about a dozen B-17 at the Yankee Air Museum show here in Michigan this year. They have a B25H "Yankee Warrior", a B17G "Yankee Lady", and a C-47D "Yankee Doodle Dandy" which they give rides in and tour the show circuits. :salute
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Lets see.i know we have an I16 in our local museum!! A B25J named wild cargo, an F4U, a spit, a Mig 3 :x a TBM, a catilina, WW1 albatros, Halberstadt.
Even a V1 buzz bomb!! :x :x
All of these planes are in flying condition!!
http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/?page_id=150
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Near where I live there is 2 Lancasters. 1 flys the other is taxi runs only.
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In nevada, about 20 mins out of las vegas there is an F4U1A, P51-D, B29-A and a B24-J. all in working condition along with a nice F-14 sitting there. id love to take a ride in all of those birds.
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The airzoo in Kalmazoo has several flyable WW2 planes. They can't fly them anymore because of 911 caused the insurance to skyrocket.
www.airzoo.org
DuHasst
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There is a B25C being "preserved" in Columbia, SC. I drive by it from time to time and some days they will have it out working on it.
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/restoration.html
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iirc we have about a dozen preserved navy ships and boats total, they are all pretty cool though. Victory and Warrior are just jaw-dropping.
I'd guess there's more than that. I've been on the USS Slater (destroyer escort, Albany, NY), the USS Intrepid (Aircraft Carrier, NY, NY) and a couple others moored with the Intrepid. IIRC the Intrepid has at least an F6F and an F4U onboard which were below decks when I was there.
[EDIT] There's close to 150 US naval museum ships listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships) the majority of which are WWII era.
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Black 6 is th only origional 109 flying, the others are reconstructed from various parts - I think a total of 1 F (black 6) and 2 Gs (reconstructed from various parts - but close to origional), recently a reconstructed near completly origional 190 A5 flew. . . And I think th French have on of the origional Yak-3s from the NN squad in a museum - but its not in flying condition.
These are the only 3 plane types I really follow - and my information is spotty at best.
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I'd guess there's more than that. I've been on the USS Slater (destroyer escort, Albany, NY), the USS Intrepid (Aircraft Carrier, NY, NY) and a couple others moored with the Intrepid. IIRC the Intrepid has at least an F6F and an F4U onboard which were below decks when I was there.
[EDIT] There's close to 150 US naval museum ships listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships) the majority of which are WWII era.
Holmes, being from England, was probably referring to THEM only having a dozen ships.
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Thats correct Serenity. As Holmes said, we were completely skint at wars end and the scrap value outweighed historic value! There's a Boulton Paul Defiant being restored down the road from me at Rochester.
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The British needn't feel so bad...after all, the Yanks blew their chance to preserve Enterprise.
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The British needn't feel so bad...after all, the Yanks blew their chance to preserve Enterprise.
Wow, you know how to hit a guy where it hurts.
That was a tragedy of epic proportions. I've got a book about the Enterprise, and it has some pictures of her being chopped up. Just awful.
:cry :cry
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here in Georgetown theres a P51D, a B25J a couple Texans, a Twin Beech, a chinese trainer(cant remember what its called) theres a couple others i dont remember what they are. :salute
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here in Georgetown theres a P51D, a B25J a couple Texans, a Twin Beech, a chinese trainer(cant remember what its called) theres a couple others i dont remember what they are. :salute
51Dweeb :noid
Show vids of you flying that thing please! :banana:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6_p_OHO0h0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6_p_OHO0h0)
Theres a Backseat shot from earlier this year, with Robert Garriott at the controls.
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There's two B-24s still in the air. One is a B-24A owned by the CAF, the other a J owned by the Collings Foundation. I got to go inside the J with my grandpa. It was pretty cool, and it had been 65 years since my grandpa had been in a B-24.
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In Texas right outside of Dallas is Cavanague air meuseum. There is my Uncle Joes B-25J he flew 69 missions as a tailgunner, it still flies but they don't fly it anymore because it is the most complete B-25 in the world.
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Holmes, being from England, was probably referring to THEM only having a dozen ships.
Oops. Missed that British connection. Appologies.
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I live in Connecticut and we're fortunate to have the American Airpower Museum (www.americanairpowermuseum.co m) just a ferry ride away on Long Island. All warbirds are in flying condition including a Corsair, P-40, P-47, Texan, TBM Avenger and Waco Biplane. They've also had planes fly in from other areas such as a C-47, B-25, B-17 and P-51D Mustang. Last summer they celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britian in which a Lancaster and Spit IX flew in from other states. The Spit was owned by Tom Duffy. You can check it out on his website. By far the most beautiful of all the warbirds.
Also last summer at the Sikorsky Memorial Airport we had "Corsairs Over Connecticut" in which 5 different Corsairs flew in from other states, flew in formation and performed maneuvers. We also have The Collings Foundation come in once a year with their B-25 and B-17. For $400 you can take a flight in either plane.
In Hartford, CT there is a museum which houses a P-47, a Corsair, a B-25 and a B-29 Superfortress. The planes do not fly but you can sit in the cockpits of the Corsair and P-47 and work the stick and rudder pedals like a giddy ten year old.
And in Washington DC there are 2 huge museums which house every plane imaginable. All are restored in mint condition including a 109, 190, Zero, NIKI, Corsair, Spitfire, Hurricane, Hellcat, Wildcat and many more I can't remember. They also have many WWI planes as well. Great place to take the family.
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Wow, you know how to hit a guy where it hurts.
That was a tragedy of epic proportions. I've got a book about the Enterprise, and it has some pictures of her being chopped up. Just awful.
:cry :cry
The following photographs contain scenes of historical atrocity. Viewer discretion is advised:
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n593/muzzy367th/49097942YSGlry_ph.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n593/muzzy367th/enter06.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n593/muzzy367th/enter07.jpg)
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n593/muzzy367th/enter08.jpg)
Let's not make the same mistake again.
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I won't scan the photos of the Pearl Harbor BBs getting chopped up. Sure wish they'd have preserved at least one of them. Can you imagine walking the decks of the West Virginia sitting at her berth right in front of the Arizona? What a memorial/Museum that could have been.
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I just hope they dont scrap the U.S.S. cobia anytime soon! i actually got to sleep on one of the torpedo's at my visit to the museum for a school field trip :D
It is an amazing WW2 submarine that killed 2 U-Boats and sunk at least 7 battleships/destroyers :eek: its an amazing boat and i dont wanna see it die :salute
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I just hope they dont scrap the U.S.S. cobia anytime soon! i actually got to sleep on one of the torpedo's at my visit to the museum for a school field trip :D
It is an amazing WW2 submarine that killed 2 U-Boats and sunk at least 7 battleships/destroyers :eek: its an amazing boat and i dont wanna see it die :salute
you got to sleep in a TORPEDO? that cant be safe at all...
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ya that ant rite doing that to a ship that servived the hole dman war
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Last July (2010) I was at a C-47 Fly-in in Rockfalls, IL.
had 14 C-47s and DC-3, and I think one DC-2! all at one time. Not as sexy as the fighter types, but still raises the hair on you neck when they buzz over at tree level!
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Black 6 is th only origional 109 flying, the others are reconstructed from various parts - I think a total of 1 F (black 6) and 2 Gs (reconstructed from various parts - but close to origional), recently a reconstructed near completly origional 190 A5 flew. . . And I think th French have on of the origional Yak-3s from the NN squad in a museum - but its not in flying condition.
These are the only 3 plane types I really follow - and my information is spotty at best.
There's a flying Yak 3-M in NZ, + spits, ponies, a hurricance, a PBY, Hawgs and P-40's of various flavours.
(http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2010-5/15/88719.jpg)
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While I think more aircraft should have been saved from WW2 (especially the Jugs), it does say something good about your culture when you end a war victorious and then disarm yourself by recycling your weapons into rebuilding materials. Would it be great to still have the original Big E as a museum? Yes. But I think it gives us far more to be able to say, we literally beat our swords into plowshares. We didn't fight because we loved war and killing, we fought to end your propensity for war and killing.
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While I think more aircraft should have been saved from WW2 (especially the Jugs), it does say something good about your culture when you end a war victorious and then disarm yourself by recycling your weapons into rebuilding materials. Would it be great to still have the original Big E as a museum? Yes. But I think it gives us far more to be able to say, we literally beat our swords into plowshares. We didn't fight because we loved war and killing, we fought to end your propensity for war and killing.
Well using the original Enterprise as an example doesn't actually work, since some of her portals are currently installed in her successor. CV 6 wasn't scrapped in an effort to beat swords into plowshares, she was scrapped because she was obsolete.
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I won't scan the photos of the Pearl Harbor BBs getting chopped up. Sure wish they'd have preserved at least one of them. Can you imagine walking the decks of the West Virginia sitting at her berth right in front of the Arizona? What a memorial/Museum that could have been.
Used to take a small boat over to Ford island every morning. Let me tell ya, if you don't get a shiver each time you pass those mourings theres something wrong with you.
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I won't scan the photos of the Pearl Harbor BBs getting chopped up. Sure wish they'd have preserved at least one of them. Can you imagine walking the decks of the West Virginia sitting at her berth right in front of the Arizona? What a memorial/Museum that could have been.
There is one WW1 BB still around though > USS Texas commissioned: 12 March 1914
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Actually they had about a dozen B-17 at the Yankee Air Museum show here in Michigan this year. They have a B25H "Yankee Warrior", a B17G "Yankee Lady", and a C-47D "Yankee Doodle Dandy" which they give rides in and tour the show circuits. :salute
Actually, it is a D-35. In fact, it is the Oldest Flying B-25 in the World and it saw WWII Combat sorties in Italy. Just wanted to correct this tidbit, as I Volunteer for the YAM in Restorations and grope all 3 whenever I'm at the hangar.
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Heres the list from the Tillamook Air Museum in Oregon: http://www.tillamookair.com/html/air_craft_list.html
Its in the surviving Blimp Hangar of a pair that is in itself worth a visit.
and heres the list for Evergreen Air Museum also in Oregon, Home of the Spruce Goose:
http://www.evergreenmuseum.org/#/aircraft-exhibits/military-aircraft
They have a flying ME-262 reproduction.
Do you ever find yourself thinking about German war technology along the lines of "damn if only they had fielded more 262's that could have changed the..." and then think "WHAT AM I THINKING"
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In reference to the Mustang, a few years back I had a book on P51's......lost the book in a move and can't remember the title. However, I do recall that in the index of said book there was a listing of all known flying and static P51's and their respective "homes". I'm sure it is no longer accurate as I know a few have been restored since then. Maybe, some of our BBS brethren know the book of which I speak. I do remember that the cover had a P51 parked and chalked, marked in invasion stripes....man this getting older thing sucks :furious
Try here for a GOOD listing of Pony survivors!
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/survivors/index.shtml
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The last time I checked there are 7 airworthy P-38s. :old: