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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Penguin on December 23, 2010, 09:50:10 PM
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This is from my computer programming class, where we have been, for the past four months, attemping to use Microsoft Works Logo. It is a graphical programming language, based around drawing pictures. The data management methods are limited at best, and otherwise simple tools are cumbersome and awkward:
Have you guys ever been completely controlled by a teacher who gives endless lectures, strict guidelines and knows it all? I have, but for once in my life, this is not the case. WooHoo! Or is it? My teacher appears to be either incompetent, or incapable of teaching the material. He hasn't given a single lecture since day one, and doesn't maintain even a sliver of discipline in the class. I seem like a masochist, don't I? Well folks, utopia isn't all it's cracked up to be. Midyear exams are coming up, and hardly any of us understand the course material. We don't have books or a website from which to garner information, and get this- the material is over forty years old!
:cry Good Grief, I need help! :cry
-Penguin
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I hate incompetent teachers with a deep and burning passion. All they due is give instant gratification while slowly setting you up for failure.
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I hate incompetent teachers with a deep and burning passion. All they due is give instant gratification while slowly setting you up for failure.
I agree! I had one of those teachers just like that this semester... it was the most frustrating class I've ever taken
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Welcome to colleges that don't charge 40K a year to go to. If ya have the cash, you'll get a good education. Jr. colleges overcharge constantly, while reaping the benefits of their lack of effort.
If I say anymore about this I'll get the ban stick, so I'll leave it at that.
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Welcome to colleges that don't charge 40K a year to go to. If ya have the cash, you'll get a good education. Jr. colleges overcharge constantly, while reaping the benefits of their lack of effort.
If I say anymore about this I'll get the ban stick, so I'll leave it at that.
I agree 100% with this.. I go to a small community college b/c i don't have 40K+ a year to go off to a bigger university for 4 years.
There's tons of scholarships out there but the've been pretty elusive so far.. You'd think with a HS GPA of 3.94 It wouldn't be that hard to get one..
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We have all had one of these teachers at some point. The worst for me was also a computer science class. The thing you need to realize is that even though you may not take as much from the course material as you hoped, you will hopefully take self initiative from the course. When I had a teacher like this I had to find a textbook that I thought provided me with the best material. I got a 3 year old textbook and did better than the majority of the class on assignments.
While some people are going to rip on institutions or teachers for this you have to realize that people get ahead in life that do not deserve it. Further down the road you may find yourself working for someone who is incompetent, and you will need to be able to function without their guiding hand.
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I'll back Raptor up - most of the learning you'll do in life will be self directed. To put a positive spin on a frustrating situation, this class is giving you a head start on that skill.
Over your lifetime knowledge will increase 10 or a 100 fold; and if you're in computer science you can guarantee that system architecture and programming languages will change repeatedly. No class can teach you stuff that isn't around yet!
Do what Raptor said. Teach the material to yourself. The motivation and effort it takes will pay you back a thousand times over during your life!
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So, the jist of it is: Suck it up, the course isn't worth much
Oh man :eek:, am I screwed, I don't think that you guys understand- there is no manual, textbook, or website! This is an inapplicaable programming language that came out 40 years ago. It's like trying to calculate the average testicular mass of Tyranosaurus Rex!
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-Penguin
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I suppose one question would be then, why did you sign up for the course if it is no longer applicable?
Something to be aware of is this. A student learns to ask questions. Rather then being totally dependant on being spoon fed data to regurgitate on an exam, should you not be asking questions before the end of the semester? Sounds to me like you have ample time to either drop the course, transfer to another or ask questions to get an understanding of the material before the end of the semester. Where were you the first 2 months?
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This is from my computer programming class, where we have been, for the past four months, attemping to use Microsoft Works Logo. It is a graphical programming language, based around drawing pictures. The data management methods are limited at best, and otherwise simple tools are cumbersome and awkward:
Have you guys ever been completely controlled by a teacher who gives endless lectures, strict guidelines and knows it all? I have, but for once in my life, this is not the case. WooHoo! Or is it? My teacher appears to be either incompetent, or incapable of teaching the material. He hasn't given a single lecture since day one, and doesn't maintain even a sliver of discipline in the class. I seem like a masochist, don't I? Well folks, utopia isn't all it's cracked up to be. Midyear exams are coming up, and hardly any of us understand the course material. We don't have books or a website from which to garner information, and get this- the material is over forty years old!
:cry Good Grief, I need help! :cry
-Penguin
I am in a very similar situation in an engineering course I had had high hopes for. The only solution, it seems, is to either bring this dire situation to the attention of the instructor, the principal, or both.
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I suppose one question would be then, why did you sign up for the course if it is no longer applicable?
Something to be aware of is this. A student learns to ask questions. Rather then being totally dependant on being spoon fed data to regurgitate on an exam, should you not be asking questions before the end of the semester? Sounds to me like you have ample time to either drop the course, transfer to another or ask questions to get an understanding of the material before the end of the semester. Where were you the first 2 months?
1 I had no clue this would be in an inapplicable language
2 My parents have ordered me not to bring this to anyone's attention, as having a 100 in that class is "too important to risk"
3 He's new, and the faculty would back him up
4 Ok, ask questions from whom? Him? I know more than he does!
-Penguin
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Other than the course evaluation after the class, which will not affect your grade, you can always complain to the department head, the registrar or even someone higher.
My advice is to talk with the other students about it and see if they agree with you. They probably will. Get finals over, write scathing course evals, and then follow up to the department and as far up as you can go. If it is a new Prof, they won't have tenure and they won't have a lot of buddies ready to hang too far out for them. If they're really that awful then it's up to you to make sure they are either taught how to do it better (by their superiors) or let go so that they are not damaging the education of others that take their classes after you.
If you get a poor grade that you don't deserve, you and every other student in the class have an opportunity to challenge it due to the poor performance of the instructor. Get everyone ready for that too, get emails, and motivate if he tries to flunk you all or something. I'd personally pursue the guy if he's guilty of grade inflation as well, though they won't pull your personal grade down for that.
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I hate incompetent teachers with a deep and burning passion. All they due is give instant gratification while slowly setting you up for failure.
uh huh....... :noid
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Is it possible that it's incompetent students?
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So, the jist of it is: Suck it up, the course isn't worth much
Oh man :eek:, am I screwed, I don't think that you guys understand- there is no manual, textbook, or website! This is an inapplicaable programming language that came out 40 years ago. It's like trying to calculate the average testicular mass of Tyranosaurus Rex!
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-Penguin
40 years? What are you using punch cards? lol
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you're parents have ordered you?
you in high school or college?
shut up and learn something :D.
semp
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40 years? What are you using punch cards? lol
Yep, looks like I was wrong. 53 years ago (in its earliest version of the year 1967).
Other than the course evaluation after the class, which will not affect your grade, you can always complain to the department head, the registrar or even someone higher.
My advice is to talk with the other students about it and see if they agree with you. They probably will. Get finals over, write scathing course evals, and then follow up to the department and as far up as you can go. If it is a new Prof, they won't have tenure and they won't have a lot of buddies ready to hang too far out for them. If they're really that awful then it's up to you to make sure they are either taught how to do it better (by their superiors) or let go so that they are not damaging the education of others that take their classes after you.
If you get a poor grade that you don't deserve, you and every other student in the class have an opportunity to challenge it due to the poor performance of the instructor. Get everyone ready for that too, get emails, and motivate if he tries to flunk you all or something. I'd personally pursue the guy if he's guilty of grade inflation as well, though they won't pull your personal grade down for that.
One question... Grade inflation? How? If it does everything it was supposed to (it should since we just copy and paste the code) it gets one-hundred points, no questions asked.
As to the ordering, I don't know what my parents would do, but they'd probably take away the focal point of my year (my trip to Poland in the summer) permenantly.
Hey, uh, any of you guys own a foundry? I'll need nerves (and balls) of steel. I'm willing to try, though.
-Penguin
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Yep, looks like I was wrong. 53 years ago (in its earliest version of the year 1967).
Especially when 1967+53=2020. :rofl
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I do not like school these days as teachers have NO authority at all. Students have no discipline or respect for authority.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, the cirriculum has been augmented to accomodate the dumber generation to the stage where learning is decided by how pretty your posters look and not on your intellectual ability. In all my classes we have not had tests on any of the subjects. I only had one class that had a test, and that was Math. I passed easily, but whats disturbing is I didnt even count the science test. this is grade 11, and I was asked.
How many planets we have, what their names are, what our nearest star was and what the planet types are. I did that in Grade 6...
It has gotten to the stage where I have failed subjects that I would have easily passed had they given me tests or essays, but insted made me make posters or models.
I was brought up in a traditional english style household. Do what your told, shut up and learn, memorise and improvise. But the system is built for those who have NO uprbringing at all, so its so dumbed down and cutsey its a foreign concept. And it causes me to fail. Which annoys me to no end.
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This is from my computer programming class, where we have been, for the past four months, attemping to use Microsoft Works Logo. It is a graphical programming language, based around drawing pictures. The data management methods are limited at best, and otherwise simple tools are cumbersome and awkward:
There you go, you answered yourself. The teacher probably realises what a retarded subject someone even more retarded (or MS biased or both) has chosen to the curreculum. I'm guessing that 'logo' is some ancient MS proprietary language long forgotten by MS itself lol. You should be learning platform independent coding instead. The problem with the schooling system today is that the bureaucracy is so stiff that teaching falls horribly behind the technological curve especially on the IT side (not talking about classes specialized on computing but general engineering etc.).
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So, the jist of it is: Suck it up, the course isn't worth much
Oh man :eek:, am I screwed, I don't think that you guys understand- there is no manual, textbook, or website!
:(
-Penguin
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=logo+programming+language&l=1
and to make it even easier for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_(programming_language)#Further_reading
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gotta love it, i had a pre cal teacher in hs who would kick people out for asking her to explain the material lmao. most people passed anyways because she would leave the room for like 10 mins everyday and students exchange answers. usually aquired through taking a few graded papers off her desk from other classes. unfortunately i had her twice so that was 2 years of passing without learning much at all. thx a lot
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Especially when 1967+53=2020. :rofl
Argh, can't even do a simple addition problem, it was 43 years ago!
-Penguin