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Title: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: leitwolf on December 30, 2010, 05:56:49 PM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: L0nGb0w on December 30, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
the amount of people that are confident enough in their ability to actually fight someone dwindles daily.  most guys don't want a fight now, unless they have plenty of friendly backup in case they get in trouble.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: kilo2 on December 30, 2010, 06:14:52 PM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?

Yes I have asked DA and almost always get refused. I only ask though when someone says I suck or calls me a spraying putz or something like that.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: DrBone1 on December 30, 2010, 06:35:39 PM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?
Get with the DA guys that are up for it not many but a few are always up for a good 1v1 you see me ingame let me know if you are up for it bud same name here as ingame cept without the 1  :) Krupnski,Rud3boi,Juggler just some of the few i have spent time with recently
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 30, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.
It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.
Is this tradition gone?

There are lots of folks that believe 1 v 1ing in the DA is internet bullying and don't allow their egos to be reduced to rubble.  Any other explanation is complete BS.  I can't tell you how many times I opened my big mouth and got my bellybutton beat...humility is necessity in this game.  Really, who cares who wins or loses...you learn something no matter what and the loser gains a little cartoon pilot respect for the winner and the winner likely has a lot more respect for the loser for throwing his ego to the wind for 30 minutes...that's how I feel but I can't tell others how to feel about it.  Every time I have done it, when its over, generally neither folks are upset anymore...win or lose.  To add to this, some of the best times in the game have been 1 v 1ing and squad vs squad duels.  There just isn't much more fun in the game than that...jmo.

Changeup

PS- The good guys in this game never broadcast winning or losing in the DA.  They quietly beat you to death and <S> you for giving them a fight.  10 times out of 10, they will even tell you things to help you get better.  Besides, you might just surprise yourself during the fight...you might be better than you think.  I know Im not! lol
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Ardy123 on December 30, 2010, 07:00:08 PM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?

I wish more people would duel. I've tried everything from trash talking to just plain asking nicely. Sadly too many want to believe they are gods gift to AH and any DA challenge, friendly or not, risks shattering their fragile ego.

Friendly requests are the best IMHO, because then people are comfortable and are willing to try new moves with out risking loosing the fight, as there is 'nothing' at stake. Either way, the loss of interest in dueling is the detriment to all of the pilots, as its a sure fire way of getting better, faster.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: infowars on December 30, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
DA is essential in a male driven game.  Wish there was one for real life.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Ardy123 on December 30, 2010, 07:06:51 PM
DA is essential in a male driven game.  Wish there was one for real life.

Stupid idea for RL...
It starts out as anarchy and it leads to fascism where everyone gets the short end of the stick except for one person. I hope your the largest, strongest, biggest & most ruthless gorrilla around...
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: leitwolf on December 30, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
Not at all. Look at what Changeup wrote. There is nothing to be lost in the DA, except an unwarranted and inflated image of my own skillZ as a cartoon pilot. If somebody wipes the floor with me in the DA, i get better.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: DMGOD on December 30, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
pffft da means nothing. When i would da somebody all they ever do is climb 15k above agreed merge alt then right b4 viz they scream down to said alt and fight u in f3 mode. Not saying everybody has but the good majority do and it's really pathetic. I've had the pleasure of what I consider some of the best sticks in the game beat the snot out of me and I loved it but the rest of you (and you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves    :banana:   
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Ardy123 on December 30, 2010, 07:36:57 PM
Not at all. Look at what Changeup wrote. There is nothing to be lost in the DA, except an unwarranted and inflated image of my own skillZ as a cartoon pilot. If somebody wipes the floor with me in the DA, i get better.

huh? did you see my previous post before that?
I agree with changeup, but I don't believe this is good for RL (Real Life) as the other poster suggested, where unlike AH, you do have something at stake.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Belial on December 30, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
DA is essential in a male driven game.  Wish there was one for real life.


Pfft we had the real thing in the old west...do you really whanna die? ;)

The world is full of bad people ready to snap your neck
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: leitwolf on December 30, 2010, 07:58:29 PM
huh? did you see my previous post before that?
Nope.. brain afk :lol I agree with you on the RL part :)
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: pervert on December 30, 2010, 08:02:57 PM
I wish more people would duel. I've tried everything from trash talking to just plain asking nicely. Sadly too many want to believe they are gods gift to AH and any DA challenge, friendly or not, risks shattering their fragile ego.

Friendly requests are the best IMHO, because then people are comfortable and are willing to try new moves with out risking loosing the fight, as there is 'nothing' at stake. Either way, the loss of interest in dueling is the detriment to all of the pilots, as its a sure fire way of getting better, faster.

I used to love the old DA challange, the tension and excitment was a real moviation to try and fly my best, nobody decent wants to DA and even if they do you know and have fought most of the guys countless times before a lot of the motivation slips.

Friendly requests suck theres no thrill to them, get yourself a shade account fly around normal and people will start to whine on 200 offer them DA they will accept have your fights but be respectful and leave on good terms. Its a great way of meeting people! And for the most part you find out that moron on 200 is actually an spot on fella  :salute  :lol
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: EskimoJoe on December 30, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
I was demanded into the DA about a month ago. Demanded. By some kid yelling at me for shooting his B-25 down.

Twice.

Claimed it was unfair that I was shooting him down and that he was just trying to bomb GV's. My countrymen on the ground, having a mostly good time.

I agreed, went to the DA, met up at two fields. I told the kid 'your ride, your rules.'

His reply?

'No jets, no rules.'

So, being the DA, I up an unfamiliar ride. The Spit XIV. I merge with him with a 2.5 altitude advantage, wanting not to over-due it. He flies (IIRC) an LA-7.
He tries to HO me several times, I avoid every time. I go vertical, somehow end up in an unrecoverable inverted flat spin.

He tries desperately to shoot me as I fall, helplessly. He doesn't manage a hit. *boom* - tower. He begins to brag and gloat, I told him round 1 of 3 goes to him.
Suddenly. "g2g"

Offline instantly. I'll never waste my time with a duel challenge again.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on December 30, 2010, 08:43:39 PM
I didn't read the initial post, all I know is if someone talks crap I go to DA. I don't care how good you are, I'd rather get my but handed to me than let you talk down to me  :neener:.








I challenge The DFC to the DA!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: SunBat on December 30, 2010, 08:50:25 PM
Ironically the DA is the hardest place to get someone to answer for a duel if they r running their mouth and u offer to shut it for them. The standard answer is, "duels don't prove anything so why should I waste my time on a noob like u" - or some variation of that. The central theme is always that they don't prove anything, which makes me wonder why they are scared to do it.  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on December 30, 2010, 09:40:06 PM
I Challenge the DFC! I want Bone first :)
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: phatzo on December 30, 2010, 11:50:09 PM
Someone who shall remain nameless was bragging about his "kill club" I as well as many others offered him to the DA to show us his mad skills. His reply was "I would rather ho and 5" you down." Either its a shade trying to rev people up or a complete softy.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: mechanic on December 31, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
When I fly in the MA I sometimes feel like no one can even touch me, let alone shoot me down. It does not matter if they have 10k on me, I still know I am going to win.

That virtual ability and confidence all comes from time spent dueling 1on1 in the DA.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Tyrannis on December 31, 2010, 12:32:27 AM
When I fly in the MA I sometimes feel like no one can even touch me, let alone shoot me down. It does not matter if they have 10k on me, I still know I am going to win.

That virtual ability and confidence all comes from time spent dueling 1on1 in the DA.
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there is a word for that, its called overconfidence. and it can be a very bad thing to have.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: kilo2 on December 31, 2010, 12:36:15 AM
Someone who shall remain nameless was bragging about his "kill club" I as well as many others offered him to the DA to show us his mad skills. His reply was "I would rather ho and 5" you down." Either its a shade trying to rev people up or a complete softy.

You're part of my kill club phatzo. And you know I have "mad skills."
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: sunfan1121 on December 31, 2010, 12:43:45 AM

there is a word for that, its called overconfidence. and it can be a very bad thing to have.
In this case its called the truth.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Oddball-CAF on December 31, 2010, 12:54:08 AM
Is this tradition gone?

No, there's still folks stupid enough to get involved in a sophmoric "mine is bigger than yours" DA match.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 12:55:58 AM
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there is a word for that, its called overconfidence. and it can be a very bad thing to have.
Tyrannis you would win 0 out of 100 fights with Batfink....I mean Z E R O.  He said what he meant and has the great-stick hides to prove it.  He was making a point about what 1 v 1ing can do for someone...not bragging...he's the last guy in this game that would brag.  In fact, none of the good ones brag...they just kill you.

Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 01:06:00 AM
No, there's still folks stupid enough to get involved in a sophmoric "mine is bigger than yours" DA match.

Its never stupid to make an attempt to win something that is meaningful to you or to try something that makes you uncomfortable.  If there is nothing to win or lose, why not at least try.  Sounds like HTC has become a microcasm of our society...more and more have become folks that quit before they even make an attempt at something and then rationalize their reason or their fear.  Excuses and explaining away one's ego is laughable.  Sophomoric from the perspective of sounding like an after-school-fight challenge but why run from a fight...ever.  The playground runners get pwned their entire lives....but they make the headshrinkers lots of cash!!  Most think others can't see through the excuses of why they don't 1 v 1.  Its a game, you don't really die, you get a new shiny plane everytime and you get better at ACM and you meet new and interesting people that want to kill your cartoon self.  There isn't any good reason not to go win one or go lose one except EGO or fear and both of those excuses are worthless, in this game and in life.

V/r

Changeup  
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Tyrannis on December 31, 2010, 01:07:21 AM
Tyrannis you would win 0 out of 100 fights with Batfink....I mean Z E R O.  He said what he meant and has the great-stick hides to prove it.  He was making a point about what 1 v 1ing can do for someone...not bragging...he's the last guy in this game that would brag.  In fact, none of the good ones brag...they just kill you.



ok...i guess what i said was misenturpurated.. i said that more in a way of advising him never to have over confidance, because bad things can come from that, i wasent insulting his flying skills, or if it sounded like i was, i didnt mean it to come out that way..

..but hey bro. thnxs for insulting MY flying skills. thats deff the way to prove your point.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 01:08:57 AM
No, there's still folks stupid enough to get involved in a sophmoric "mine is bigger than yours" DA match.
:aok

"look, my cartoon bawlz are bigger cause im a mannnnnn!!!!"

DA matches are for putz. I use to be one of those DA tards. Now I would rather get stomach cramps from bad mexican food and cheap house beer.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 01:10:42 AM
:aok

"look, my cartoon bawlz are bigger cause im a mannnnnn!!!!"

DA matches are for putz. I use to be one of those DA tards. Now I would rather get stomach cramps from bad mexican food and cheap house beer.

BS...you'd just open a shade and go in there and tear them up. 
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 01:13:05 AM
ok...i guess what i said was misenturpurated.. i said that more in a way of advising him never to have over confidance, because bad things can come from that, i wasent insulting his flying skills, or if it sounded like i was, i didnt mean it to come out that way..

..but hey bro. thnxs for insulting MY flying skills. thats deff the way to prove your point.

It wasnt meant as an insult...its a fact...I can't beat him either!! lol...I have the videos to prove it! lmao.....your comment did sound it...my apologies if that wasn't what you meant.  :salute

Changeup
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: 321BAR on December 31, 2010, 01:13:23 AM
BS...you'd just open a shade and go in there and tear them up. 
this actually sounds entertaining :lol "WHO'S THAT?! #^#$^$^#^ augh he shot me down again... WHO IS HE?!" "ohh its just BAR321's shade in his 51B again" :D
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 01:18:28 AM
BS...you'd just open a shade and go in there and tear them up. 
Honestly? Not for me anymore. I have nothing to prove on a game. I just enjoy hanging out and joking with some bros now. Thats mainly why I log on. Talk a little smack, die again, rinse repeat. Its about fun now. Not who I can or cant "own". Those days are gone.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: oTRALFZo on December 31, 2010, 01:20:14 AM
No, there's still folks stupid enough to get involved in a sophmoric "mine is bigger than yours" DA match.
It ends up that way if you want it to go that way.
There is a fine line when friendly competition turns into a personal vendetta. What makes this game "fun" is the same thing that potentialy smash your ego when your on the short end of the stick and some take that very personaly.

Im happy to say that a majority of players here are good sports. They know the limits and diffrence that they are sitting on their comfy computer chair playing a game and not real WW2 Pile-its. I met tons of great folks by swinging over for a 1vs1 in the DA. No egos, no smacktalk, just have fun.

Sadly, there are those who turn down a DA match because they dont want to shatter their egos. Accept the fact that were facing the xbox generation of gamers where everything is about putting you in the tower by all means neccesary
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: phatzo on December 31, 2010, 01:21:26 AM
You're part of my kill club phatzo. And you know I have "mad skills."
Actually I have a real memorable fight with you in Las, I was nearly out of fuel after about 10 mins of neither of us not getting a gun solution, but you got picked. I wonder who would of ran out of fuel first?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: kilo2 on December 31, 2010, 01:34:59 AM
Actually I have a real memorable fight with you in Las, I was nearly out of fuel after about 10 mins of neither of us not getting a gun solution, but you got picked. I wonder who would of ran out of fuel first?
Yeah I remember that one was a great fight. I would have never made it back either way if I recall.

Anyway there is a better club than a kill club it called "I have been called a hacker club." You're a member aren't you?





I have called people to the DA and lost and its just as fun if I call people to the DA and win. Its not a pissing match most the crap I talk on 200 is almost always tongue in cheek and I imagine many people do the same.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Guppy35 on December 31, 2010, 01:43:28 AM
I think it depends on how much you fly, and how important the game is to you at the moment.   I think anyone who gets invested in the game goes through their I can take everyone any time any place phase.  At this stage of the game for me, bumping into someone in the MA and meeting up away from the fight is good enough.   

It's fun to watch the newest batch of uber sticks go through their take em all on phase.  More power to em for having the time and the energy for it :)

Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 01:44:47 AM
I think it depends on how much you fly, and how important the game is to you at the moment.   I think anyone who gets invested in the game goes through their I can take everyone any time any place phase.  At this stage of the game for me, bumping into someone in the MA and meeting up away from the fight is good enough.   

It's fun to watch the newest batch of uber sticks go through their take em all on phase.  More power to em for having the time and the energy for it :)


Dan, we're just old now. Face it bro. We are flying perks for the other guys now.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Guppy35 on December 31, 2010, 01:45:45 AM
Dan, we're just old now. Face it bro. We are flying perks for the other guys now.

With the way I was 'flying' tonight, you have no idea how much truth there is in that statement :)
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 01:48:05 AM
With the way I was 'flying' tonight, you have no idea how much truth there is in that statement :)
Me too lol. I hit a few trees, got shot a few times. Think i landed 2 times out of 30 sorties? It was fun. Its always nice to watch a guy land 5 kills and knowing you are 4 of them lol.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Masherbrum on December 31, 2010, 05:59:44 AM
Me too lol. I hit a few trees, got shot a few times. Think i landed 2 times out of 30 sorties? It was fun. Its always nice to watch a guy land 5 kills and knowing you are 4 of them lol.

Noob.  :furious
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Threeup on December 31, 2010, 07:13:44 AM
The whole DA challenge thing is so artificial and a waste of time.

Half, no 75%, of the MA/DA fight is the confusion and facing a non even set of circumstances and how you deal with them. The "we'll fly this at this alt and merge at this alt" is manure.

Sometimes the bug can crack the windscreen if the bug tries hard enough.

And the callouts smack of bad manners. You're as good as your last fight - get on with it. I don't have a lift on my credit card every 28 days for someone to tell me how good they are given an artificial set of events in an already artificial game. Or how my plane is too easy or how I'm a noob, retard or any other term of endearment.

Oh! and I hope the new year is kind to all - haven't we got a great game to play?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Furball on December 31, 2010, 07:21:39 AM
I find that most DA challenges are from angry, clueless seals who are not worth the time it would take to club them, or egos trying to prove that they are the 'next big thing'.  It usually starts with someone who has been in the game longer than themselves, pulling off a move which they are incapable of understanding.  This ignorance leads to anger.  This anger leads to a DA challenge.

My personal view is that I couldn't really care less who would win a duel between myself and whomever, I would much rather have fun in the MA flying amongst friends than proving who is better in the DA.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Furball on December 31, 2010, 07:24:52 AM
It's fun to watch the newest batch of uber sticks go through their take em all on phase.  More power to em for having the time and the energy for it :)



Them's fighting words... Let's go DA  :mad: :furious
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: mechanic on December 31, 2010, 07:47:33 AM
but hell guys, don't any of you just go to the DA with friends to have some good 1vs1 fights?

it's not all about ego, it's often just for the joy of uninterupted fights. None of the regulars I see in the DA dueling care who wins the most. It's all about the fight and the laughs for us.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: MickDono on December 31, 2010, 08:13:36 AM
but hell guys, don't any of you just go to the DA with friends to have some good 1vs1 fights?

it's not all about ego, it's often just for the joy of uninterupted fights. None of the regulars I see in the DA dueling care who wins the most. It's all about the fight and the laughs for us.

QFT
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: dedalos on December 31, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?

Nah, you got the tradition wrong.  Traditionally, someone first starts the name calling.  Then they tell you how good they are.  The next step is to tell you how they own you (from the tower).  Final step is for you to say hey, how about you teach me a few things in the DA?  And then . . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>. . . . . . . <crickets>

 :old:

Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Bruv119 on December 31, 2010, 09:39:12 AM
but hell guys, don't any of you just go to the DA with friends to have some good 1vs1 fights?

it's not all about ego, it's often just for the joy of uninterupted fights. None of the regulars I see in the DA dueling care who wins the most. It's all about the fight and the laughs for us.

kinda ironic that when you do stuff like that you get accused of all sorts, when that practice gets put to the test.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: R 105 on December 31, 2010, 09:47:42 AM
Why go to the DA? All that will happen is someone in a perk ride he can't afford in the MA will come along in F-3 mode spraying the sky with cannons making impossible 90% defections shots. what's the point?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: leitwolf on December 31, 2010, 09:52:37 AM
The whole DA challenge thing is so artificial and a waste of time.

Half, no 75%, of the MA/DA fight is the confusion and facing a non even set of circumstances and how you deal with them. The "we'll fly this at this alt and merge at this alt" is manure.

Sometimes the bug can crack the windscreen if the bug tries hard enough.

And the callouts smack of bad manners. You're as good as your last fight - get on with it. I don't have a lift on my credit card every 28 days for someone to tell me how good they are given an artificial set of events in an already artificial game. Or how my plane is too easy or how I'm a noob, retard or any other term of endearment.

Oh! and I hope the new year is kind to all - haven't we got a great game to play?

That's what my initial post was hinting at: If there is a consent that DA challenges are viewed as childish, I'll stop issuing them, no problem.
However, in a distant past, it used to be a bit like duels between gentlemen.. You have been offended because somebody did something 'wicked' (make up your reason here: ____  :D) and demanded a duel for besmirching your honour.

While the initial part may be fueled by anger, once in the DA and your cartoon bottom on the line, the egos are gone.. Now, I agree that just as the days of 20 paces at dawn are gone, we don't necessarily need duel challenges in the MA. Unlike RL, however, we get to keep what we've learned from them and with what you call "artificial" all the other excuses (You had alt/better plane/gang/cat on keyboard/..) go right out of the window as well.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Melvin on December 31, 2010, 10:04:55 AM
Whenever I see some guy that gets sore about losing and starts stomping his feet, I'm reminded of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_jHKNyU-Y   

 :rofl Melvin
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: leitwolf on December 31, 2010, 10:10:44 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: R 105 on December 31, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
 In today society the honorable and manly Duel, has been replaced by the Lawsuit. I wish that were not the case for I am sure I would have worn out the barrel of my dueling pistol by now lol.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 10:13:29 AM
Honestly? Not for me anymore. I have nothing to prove on a game. I just enjoy hanging out and joking with some bros now. Thats mainly why I log on. Talk a little smack, die again, rinse repeat. Its about fun now. Not who I can or cant "own". Those days are gone.

Then I stand corrected....my apologies Bip

Changeup
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on December 31, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
4 Pages.  :huh
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
4 Pages.  :huh
Not quite yet but its getting close....just sayin... ;)
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BaldEagl on December 31, 2010, 10:38:56 AM
I find that most DA challenges are from angry, clueless seals who are not worth the time it would take to club them, or egos trying to prove that they are the 'next big thing'.  It usually starts with someone who has been in the game longer than themselves, pulling off a move which they are incapable of understanding.  This ignorance leads to anger.  This anger leads to a DA challenge.

QFT.  The thing is no one worth fighting would bother challenging you to a duel in the DA.  That said I've always accepted, the other player has always shown up, I can't remember any of them beating me and we've always left on good terms, a reversal of what put us there in the first place.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: grizz441 on December 31, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
Why go to the DA? All that will happen is someone in a perk ride he can't afford in the MA will come along in F-3 mode spraying the sky with cannons making impossible 90% defections shots. what's the point?

First of all, the distinction should be made between DA-Furball lake, and DA-1v1s.  Typically when someone calls out "DA", it implies One Versus One fights, same plane, same alt.  And it is not a waste of time.  It gives you a better intrinsic sense on creating angles, aiming timing, and just general uberness.  Not many players want to spend the time and effort it takes to become really good and effective in the MA and I totally understand that, but calling it a waste of time is off base.

If you wanted to, you could basically look at the DA as practice for the game, which is the MA.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Zoney on December 31, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
I have never "gone off" on anyone here or challenged someone to duel me from the main for any other reason.  I have gone to the DA a few times and for me it was just ok.  I think a large part of flying as if this is a sim is the SA that is imperitive for survival and kills in the main.  I have been challenged many times, always after I have made a kill that the killed thought was unfair.  I'm sorry I'm not going to do that.  If I had wanted duels I would have already been flying in the DA.  I like flying in the MA and all that it entails.

I look at it this way.

You get a kill on me in the main and I challenge you to an online game of chess because I can pwn you there and it will inflate my ego back to the previous level it was at before you punctured it.

Ain't gunna happen gents <S>.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: dedalos on December 31, 2010, 11:25:07 AM

You get a kill on me in the main and I challenge you to an online game of chess because I can pwn you

Say when  :D
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: FiLtH on December 31, 2010, 11:46:14 AM
Duels are seldom satisfying. It probably depends on the person. If a mouth challenges a non-mouth, and loses, the non-mouth probably wont gloat enough to make it worth it. If the mouth wins, the non-mouth is probably immune to the mouth's gloating. If 2 mouths go at it, the loser usually ends up brushing it off like it didnt happen. Or, worse, acts friendly. Yuck. Id prefer anyone who calls a duel and loses, has to leave the game...forever. :)
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: pervert on December 31, 2010, 11:56:58 AM
Duels are seldom satisfying. It probably depends on the person. If a mouth challenges a non-mouth, and loses, the non-mouth probably wont gloat enough to make it worth it. If the mouth wins, the non-mouth is probably immune to the mouth's gloating. If 2 mouths go at it, the loser usually ends up brushing it off like it didnt happen. Or, worse, acts friendly. Yuck. Id prefer anyone who calls a duel and loses, has to leave the game...forever. :)

If you want to make it really intense duel them for their soul!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: cactuskooler on December 31, 2010, 12:52:53 PM
If it's egos that are worrying you, it is the forums you should avoid. Much more egos here than in the DA.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 04:15:17 PM
Noob.  :furious
DA NOW!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Masherbrum on December 31, 2010, 04:24:21 PM
DA NOW!!!!!!!

ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: BiPoLaR on December 31, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!
ON MY WAY!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: phatzo on December 31, 2010, 05:06:21 PM
Crickets
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Big Rat on January 01, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
When I fly in the MA I sometimes feel like no one can even touch me, let alone shoot me down. It does not matter if they have 10k on me, I still know I am going to win.

That virtual ability and confidence all comes from time spent dueling 1on1 in the DA.

Bat,

I'm upset now :cry  I thought you got better by fighting me in the TA, not the DA :lol 

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: SuperDud on January 01, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
If anyone lives in Iowa you should challenge megadud to a duel.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JUGgler on January 01, 2011, 05:33:25 PM
I see a couple duel challenges everytime I'm on. What happens most is one will keep hounding the other to DA untill the"other" agrees in such a way that makes it seem like "whatever" example: "I'll go if it means that much to you". Then it is almost like they have an unspoken agreement to not speek of it again and no-one actually goes tothe DA <---- WTF is that about?   :huh


JUGgler
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: mechanic on January 01, 2011, 05:56:14 PM
Bat,

I'm upset now :cry  I thought you got better by fighting me in the TA, not the DA :lol 

 :salute
BigRat


good point Big Rat, being shot down by you and the other trainer played a big part.

The TA is another great place to get shot down and learn from it.
S!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Krupinski on January 01, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
95% of the people who offer challenges to the DA are only looking for a fun fight, anyone who thinks they have other motives needs to check their head.  :aok
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on January 01, 2011, 07:01:14 PM
I see a couple duel challenges everytime I'm on. What happens most is one will keep hounding the other to DA untill the"other" agrees in such a way that makes it seem like "whatever" example: "I'll go if it means that much to you". Then it is almost like they have an unspoken agreement to not speek of it again and no-one actually goes tothe DA <---- WTF is that about?   :huh


JUGgler
+1....lol...some even try to get-it-on in the MA 1 v 1 in some destitute location, far from any battle only to be picked over and over and over while trying to get to the opponent!!...sound familiar JUG????? lmao

Changeup
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Guppy35 on January 01, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
95% of the people who offer challenges to the DA are only looking for a fun fight, anyone who thinks they have other motives needs to check their head.  :aok

I wouldn't agree with the percentage.

I think it's fair to say there is a small group of folks who go to the DA to sharpen their skills, but they are a seperate bunch from the crowd in the MA that thinks it will prove something.   As I said in a previous post, I think those guys are in that phase of their AH cartoon flying career where it really matters to them and the challenge of being the 'bestest' they can be is important.  Most of the ACM guys go through that stage at one point or another.

It's not a bad thing, but not everyone is that intense about it or has already been there, done that.  More power to ya if you have the time and the energy for it :)

As for the other guys.  They'll grow up and figure out it's just a game eventually :aok
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Melvin on January 01, 2011, 08:40:21 PM
I was lucky enough to be tuned to 200 today when Bobby Lee and Sex Panther (45% of the time it works....... every time.) were going at it.

Kinda reminded me of a boxing match at the Braille Institute.

Of course JUGgler was egging them on trying to get the fight going, but they weren't having any of it.

 :rofl  :lol  :aok
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JUGgler on January 02, 2011, 12:50:55 PM
95% of the people who offer challenges to the DA are only looking for a fun fight, anyone who thinks they have other motives needs to check their head.  :aok

Oh this cannot be true, I have found most challenges come from someone who is at the cusp of being good but thinks they are great ATM, usually challenging someone whom they believe to be lees capable than themselves. It is quite rare indeed for anyone to challenge someone whom they are quite sure is better than themselves. Sometimes the "challenged" is an unknown shade and the two actually go to the DA and the FUN  ;) is very one sided  :aok :aok :rofl :rofl


JUGgler
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JunkyII on January 02, 2011, 01:28:07 PM
I love the people who think everyone uses F3 mode in the DA.....
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: maddafinga on January 02, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
Oh this cannot be true, I have found most challenges come from someone who is at the cusp of being good but thinks they are great ATM, usually challenging someone whom they believe to be lees capable than themselves. It is quite rare indeed for anyone to challenge someone whom they are quite sure is better than themselves. Sometimes the "challenged" is an unknown shade and the two actually go to the DA and the FUN  ;) is very one sided  :aok :aok :rofl :rofl


JUGgler

Man, I don't really see any point at all in fighting someone you know you can beat.  I guess it's good practice.  The real fun for me is in fighting guys that can beat me.  I learn from that and feel like I get better if I keep at it.  I love fighting guys in the DA.  I love the mains for different reasons, they each are their own brand of fun, but when there are several guys doing informal 1v1s with deck merges and all that, man that stuff is just a blast.  I'll get shot down a thousand times in a row if I can in that situation.  I don't mind at all getting my butt handed to me in there.  I love the DA.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: ink on January 02, 2011, 04:28:59 PM
ya once im back in game......(taken to damn long)    i enjoy going to the DA its realy great to learn and understand the workings of a 'dogfight' but its only learning when its against someone who is better, that is when its the best for me.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JUGgler on January 02, 2011, 05:39:03 PM
Man, I don't really see any point at all in fighting someone you know you can beat.  I guess it's good practice.  The real fun for me is in fighting guys that can beat me.  I learn from that and feel like I get better if I keep at it.  I love fighting guys in the DA.  I love the mains for different reasons, they each are their own brand of fun, but when there are several guys doing informal 1v1s with deck merges and all that, man that stuff is just a blast.  I'll get shot down a thousand times in a row if I can in that situation.  I don't mind at all getting my butt handed to me in there.  I love the DA.

I love the few peeps who will up a 202 against the mighty late war horde! <-- There is great humor in that madda. It is the guys who laugh and make me laugh that are the most fun in this game!!

<S> Madda



JUGgler
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: REVRAND on January 02, 2011, 05:44:39 PM
pffft da means nothing. When i would da somebody all they ever do is climb 15k above agreed merge alt then right b4 viz they scream down to said alt and fight u in f3 mode. Not saying everybody has but the good majority do and it's really pathetic. I've had the pleasure of what I consider some of the best sticks in the game beat the snot out of me and I loved it but the rest of you (and you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves    :banana:   


Pot calling the Kettle black, DMGOD??????? Not once have you DA'd me when challenged. Anytime time you wanna put your big boy pants on in the DA, I will gladly give you a FAIR fight to stop your MA ranting.

The REV
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: maddafinga on January 02, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
I love the few peeps who will up a 202 against the mighty late war horde! <-- There is great humor in that madda. It is the guys who laugh and make me laugh that are the most fun in this game!!

<S> Madda



JUGgler

Man I love the 202.  Some of  my absolute most fun nights in AH have been flying 202s.  Really a blast in that plane, not to mention it's got the all time best skin!

 :salute
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on January 02, 2011, 07:16:03 PM
6 Pages  :noid
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: REVRAND on January 03, 2011, 09:25:40 AM
6 Pages  :noid

.....at least we know you can count......whats your next trick?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 09:27:18 AM
.....at least we know you can count......whats your next trick?


....he ment this topic is on its 6th page.

derp? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on January 03, 2011, 09:53:06 AM
.....at least we know you can count......whats your next trick?



:noid
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Shuffler on January 03, 2011, 10:22:16 AM
Fellow AHers..

Maybe I'm not up to speed w/respect to current MA etiquette (well, if there is any to speak of :lol).
In the olden days it was custom to challenge somebody from the MA to a duel in the DA, and usually this wish was granted.

It looks like this has pretty much disappeared and often gets refused. I think that's pretty sad because it used to be a win/win: you either got satisfaction and your opponent learns something or you get whopped mercilessly and .. learn something.

Is this tradition gone?

Using the DA for chest beating has died away pretty much. There are folks who setup little get togethers in there on ocassion. Very fun setups too.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: dedalos on January 03, 2011, 11:16:01 AM
Sometimes the "challenged" is an unknown shade and the two actually go to the DA and the FUN  ;) is very one sided  :aok :aok :rofl :rofl


JUGgler

Well, I hope he does not get mad since it was done for fun only but this one time SkyRock got into it with Hub.  Ended up with Sky asking Hub to the DA.  So, Hub decided it would be more fun if he accepted the duel but have me log in as him.

We let him thing for a couple of weeks that his beatings were delivered by Hub  :neener:

Again, he knows about about it and everyone laughed for a long time over it  :lol

Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: SEraider on January 03, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
Well, I hope he does not get mad since it was done for fun only but this one time SkyRock got into it with Hub.  Ended up with Sky asking Hub to the DA.  So, Hub decided it would be more fun if he accepted the duel but have me log in as him.

We let him thing for a couple of weeks that his beatings were delivered by Hub  :neener:

Again, he knows about about it and everyone laughed for a long time over it  :lol



Hahahah funny......Die!
 :t
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: vonKrimm on January 03, 2011, 04:33:57 PM
Well, I'm late getting my $0.02 in this topic......

I don't DA and tell everyone who challenges me to DA just that "I don't DA".  Reason?  because 99.89% of those making the challenge are POed that they got greased by a mediocre player and need to redeem their "superior" pee-lot status.  I will readily acknowledge that it was not my prowess as a pee-lot that allowed me set them up and shoot them down, just that i was able to capitalize on a mistake on their part.  I feel that if I DA'ed with a POed pee-lot, I'd gain nothing to add to my skills set.

All of that said, i have contradicted myself a few times over the years of playing AH (like 3 or 4 times) by going to the DA with someone that I recently shot down in the game, and it was not because they raged at me either but because I felt that I could learn something from them and them approached the whole DA matter as an adult vice as tantrum-throwing child.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Melvin on January 03, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
Well, I'm late getting my $0.02 in this topic......

I don't DA and tell everyone who challenges me to DA just that "I don't DA".  Reason?  because 99.89% of those making the challenge are POed that they got greased by a mediocre player and need to redeem their "superior" pee-lot status.  I will readily acknowledge that it was not my prowess as a pee-lot that allowed me set them up and shoot them down, just that i was able to capitalize on a mistake on their part.  I feel that if I DA'ed with a POed pee-lot, I'd gain nothing to add to my skills set.

All of that said, i have contradicted myself a few times over the years of playing AH (like 3 or 4 times) by going to the DA with someone that I recently shot down in the game, and it was not because they raged at me either but because I felt that I could learn something from them and them approached the whole DA matter as an adult vice as tantrum-throwing child.


Huh?

Nice sig.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: mechanic on January 03, 2011, 07:31:24 PM
I challenge anyone to the DA right now!  I'm in there all alone waitin for some action  :cry
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Amaazee on January 03, 2011, 07:47:41 PM
7 Pages  :noid
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: grizz441 on January 03, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
.squelch amazeesqueak
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JunkyII on January 04, 2011, 09:07:35 AM
Post Count.....almost platinum  :D
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: grizz441 on January 04, 2011, 10:25:40 AM
Post Count.....almost platinum  :D

Me 2.  I'll race you.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: grizz441 on January 04, 2011, 10:28:22 AM
Race K?
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: grizz441 on January 04, 2011, 10:29:04 AM
K.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: JunkyII on January 04, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Vinkman on January 04, 2011, 01:20:26 PM
Well, I'm late getting my $0.02 in this topic......

I don't DA and tell everyone who challenges me to DA just that "I don't DA".  Reason?  because 99.89% of those making the challenge are POed that they got greased by a mediocre player and need to redeem their "superior" pee-lot status.  I will readily acknowledge that it was not my prowess as a pee-lot that allowed me set them up and shoot them down, just that i was able to capitalize on a mistake on their part.  I feel that if I DA'ed with a POed pee-lot, I'd gain nothing to add to my skills set.

All of that said, i have contradicted myself a few times over the years of playing AH (like 3 or 4 times) by going to the DA with someone that I recently shot down in the game, and it was not because they raged at me either but because I felt that I could learn something from them and them approached the whole DA matter as an adult vice as tantrum-throwing child.

Krimm,
vonKrimm, I think you skipped step 3. [see below]


Step 1. Guy A gets greased by Guy B
Step 2. Guy A tells guy B that the only reason guy B won is because Guy A was tied up with some else, or other similar excuses
Step 3. Guy B laughs and tells guy A that he is dead because he has no skillz
Step 4. Guy A invites Guy B to the DA
Step 5. Guy B refuses

<S>
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: REVRAND on January 05, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
....he ment this topic is on its 6th page.

derp? :rolleyes:

yeah that was pretty evident what he meant, thanks for clearing it up


 :noid derp!
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: 2bighorn on January 05, 2011, 04:02:02 PM
Hahahah funny......Die!
 :t

And SEraider snatched defeat from the jaws of victory yet again...
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: kilz on January 05, 2011, 08:08:19 PM
There are lots of folks that believe 1 v 1ing in the DA is internet bullying and don't allow their egos to be reduced to rubble.  Any other explanation is complete BS.  I can't tell you how many times I opened my big mouth and got my bellybutton beat...humility is necessity in this game.  Really, who cares who wins or loses...you learn something no matter what and the loser gains a little cartoon pilot respect for the winner and the winner likely has a lot more respect for the loser for throwing his ego to the wind for 30 minutes...that's how I feel but I can't tell others how to feel about it.  Every time I have done it, when its over, generally neither folks are upset anymore...win or lose.  To add to this, some of the best times in the game have been 1 v 1ing and squad vs squad duels.  There just isn't much more fun in the game than that...jmo.

Changeup

PS- The good guys in this game never broadcast winning or losing in the DA.  They quietly beat you to death and <S> you for giving them a fight.  10 times out of 10, they will even tell you things to help you get better.  Besides, you might just surprise yourself during the fight...you might be better than you think.  I know Im not! lol

Changeup is a putz hehehehehe <S>
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: RedTop on January 05, 2011, 08:35:29 PM
Well...Batty beats my donut regularly...when I do go to the DA....and thats rare...

And for the record....I will never go when challenged in the MA because I may have killed someone....

If I killed ya...it was luck...I'm tellin ya now it was luck..and if you come back you'll more than likey get your revenge quickly....

So don't bother EVER challengeing me to the DA...cause I aint going to make you feel better and..cause its boring for you when we get there.
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Changeup on January 05, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
Kilz showing his mental agility again!  Does it echo when you think? Lol
Title: Re: Challenges to the DA..
Post by: Vinkman on January 06, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Krimm,
vonKrimm, I think you skipped step 3. [see below]


Step 1. Guy A gets greased by Guy B
Step 2. Guy A tells guy B that the only reason guy B won is because Guy A was tied up with some else, or other similar excuses
Step 3. Guy B laughs and tells guy A that he is dead because he has no skillz
Step 4. Guy A invites Guy B to the DA
Step 5. Guy B refuses

<S>


Actually I had to post early, and wasn't finished. I wanted to add that this is what creates the DA's rep a macho grievance settle arena only. Many are making the point that grievence settling is a very small percent of the actual one v one  traffic in the DA.  Most of the non-furball lake encounters are friendly folks working on their stall fighting, 1v1 skills, just for the fun of it.

Point being, the DA is a great alternative to the MA for those who like to find fair, fun, and honorable dogfighting action.


<S>