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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Mirage on January 01, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
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Like the title says which Fw 190 is your favorite and for what reasons, my favorite is the 190A-5 I like it because it is the lightest and most manuverable of the 190 family and I also like it because of the history involved with early 190's
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A8 / because of GUNS! :x
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Favorite air supoiriority 190 would be 190d, and favorite 190 to pork a field 190f8
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I've been learning the Dora, and love it. It is likely the best plane I've flown above 10k and 300kts. Once the manuevers takes you below 10k and 300kts you are in no-mans land. Once you are below 5k you are on life support and had just better get the crap out of town. I have done some serious damage in a -51 below 1k and 200 kts. It is a pretty decent stall fighter though the Dora is a pig in honey down there, by comparison.
I'll give the A5 a shot. I do like its heavier firepower.
Boo
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I like the A5 with twin 20mm only. It's a real effort to keep it flying smooth but the satisfaction it can bring is high. I like also the A8 with 30mm, for cherry picking in furballs it is a real shark.
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I fly Doras for straight up fighter missions, preferably in situations where I can grab some altitude.
The A8 is reserved for base take ops, since it's gun package is ideal for strafing and vulching. I'll also use it for taking out bombers over a besieged airfield. It's tough enough so that even if I get nailed by the buff's guns I can land it.
The A5 is ideal for shorter ranged base defense, especially in situations where you don't really have time to gain much altitude. Against carrier attacks it can match any CV based aircraft, especially if the ship's AA guns are limiting altitude.
I don't have much stick time in the F model, but I've used it some against GV's with limited success, mostly due to my own lack of experience. I'll wager my gv kill rate will go up with practice.
As for the Ta152, I restrict its use to killing high bombers on strat runs.
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Ta 152H. Most beautiful plane to sit in combined with massive firepower. :rock
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which Fw 190 is your favorite and for what reasons
A8, because it is far and away the most challenging of the set (the F8 obviously excepted) to fly well in a dogfight.
Some day I trust I will learn how to do so.
- oldman
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another question realated to the Fw-190, How does the F8 ( Ground attack model) compair with other dedicated air to ground platforms in AH ie. P-47, Typhoon, B25c/h, and the F4U-1D?
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It doesn't. It's what the Germans used to replace the Ju-87. In that regard it's superb. However, it can't carry 3000lbs of ord like the P-47 can. It can't shoot a 75mm cannon like the B-25H (not a good example, though). It can't dogfight like either the F4u or P47 after it drops its ord.
It's not all bad, but compared to the better, more capable, US rides, it's a non-entity. Most 190A8s could be fitted with field kits to carry the same bomb racks and whatnot. The only real difference is the 1000lbs of armor it carries.
It's 490 lbs heavier than the already-overweight 190A8. If the A8 ever gets fixed that will be even higher. A better comparison would be to say it's 1,085 lbs heavier than a A-5 (not counting aux tank or ammo). It's a real pig to dogfight in.
The upside is you'll rarely lose oil before you lose your wing, tail, or pilot. There's actual armor modeled in for all that weight, unlike the A-8.
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I like the A8 with the 30mm package, full fuel and no drop tanks. It's an awsome buff killer and is capable enough against other fighters if you can keep it fast. If they don't see you coming there's no break turn that can save them.
Krusty failed to mention the incredible armor piercing rocket package on the F8. One rocket can kill about any armored vehicle in the game and you get 12 of them plus a bomb. In comparison the American rockets take a salvo of three to clean kill a Panzer or something lesser in armor. So let's do the math; 13 GV kills in an F8 or 6 max in a P-47 (Flaks and above in armor thickness). Hmmm... Which do you think is superior in that roll? The armor on the F8 is also superior to any aircraft except the IL2.
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190A-5 is the "go to" 190, imo. It is far more maneuverable and stable than the other 190's, it turns better than most think, too. For interceptor work: the D-9. For bomber hunter/ambush: the quad 20's w/ plenty of ammo on the A-8 are nice. For attacking gv's the 12 Pb1 rockets on the F-8 (not to mention the extra armor around the cowling and pilot) can not be beat.
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A8, because it is far and away the most challenging of the set (the F8 obviously excepted) to fly well in a dogfight.
Some day I trust I will learn how to do so.
- oldman
Oddly enough the A8 is the first plane I flew consistently well in. Trying to master it made me a better pilot in the long run, to the point where I feel totally spoiled in a Spitfire.
Some tips on flying the "Ugly Stepsister" of the Focke Wulf family:
1. Grab Alt. You need it to start with, the more the better.
2. Assess the Environment. The A8 doesn't have the escape velocity of the Dora, nor the additional turning ability of the A5. When you get to a fight, look around at the situation before you go in. Do you have advantage in numbers or alt? The worse the odds, the less time you should stay in the fight.
3. Conserve E as much as possible. You can't get it back easy so hold on to what you have as long as possible.
4. Save some E to get the heck out of dodge. If you hear a little voice in your head saying now would be a good time to extend...listen to it. Greed kills, especially in an A8.
5. You have less of a margin for error on that stall warning. Make your stick movements as gradual as you can. The only time you should jerk the stick around hard is when you're employing your roll rate.
5. Use the vertical. It's the best way to conserve E. Loop, High Yo-Yo, climb away from low and slow targets.
6. Fly like an opportunistic, sneaky, and dare I say it, cowardly little :devil . Hit em when they're not looking, and run away laughing.
7. HO 'em if they come straight at you. Anyone dumb enough to charge directly at an A8 is signing their own death warrant. They might get you, but you will definitely get them. Open up at 1.0 and they will fly right to their doom.
8. One major advantage of the A8 is hitting power. You can shred almost anything that crosses your gunsights. You have tons of ammo so take any kind of shot you can get. 300 is a pretty good balanced convergence setting for the 4x20mm package. The 30mm option is kind of overkill, viable for bomber kills, but since you can land effective hits on bombers at -600, why risk getting close.
9. Oil is optional. You can fly for a while without it, but I wouldn't recommend fighting without it unless you have no choice.
10. One situation where the A8 can actually survive for extended periods on the deck is against a CV based attack, especially when the carrier planes are coming in low. If you can climb out a little but stay below the ack, you can actually zip down low and hi-yo-yo the Navy boys to death. Not even a Hog can withstand your firepower.
11. The A8 is one of those birds that is tough enough to get you home even with some parts missing.
Treat her right, and she will treat you right!
-Muzzy
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A5 is my fav, cuz its so sexy
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6. Fly like an opportunistic, sneaky, and dare I say it, cowardly little :devil . Hit em when they're not looking, and run away laughing.
7. HO 'em if they come straight at you.
You miss the point of the challenge.
- oldman
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Sukov and KN have gotten me hooked on the Ta-152. The wingover is deadly if performed correctly, and the acceleration is a nice change of pace from the zeke. It also does the snap-roll very effectively.
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Sukov and KN have gotten me hooked on the Ta-152. The wingover is deadly if performed correctly, and the acceleration is a nice change of pace from the zeke. It also does the snap-roll very effectively.
How the heck do you fly that pterodactyl? I've not had much luck with it except as a bomber killer.
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I've found that any attempt at pure pursuit is going to get you killed, 9/10 times. Lag pursuit is key and then whenever you go in for the kill, you need to lead a great deal. this is when you use the 30mm, though. I try to shoot with 20mm only, at least until I get in close enough for taters.
The wingover, snap-roll and yo-yo are the only maneuvers I'm almost always comfortable with attempting.
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F-8, it has my favourite skin. But the a-5 and the 152 are much more fun to fly.
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152 all day. One of the most fun planes to fly in this game.
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another question realated to the Fw-190, How does the F8 ( Ground attack model) compair with other dedicated air to ground platforms in AH ie. P-47, Typhoon, B25c/h, and the F4U-1D?
in a ground attack role, the b25c beats all of them.
b25c with 10x50cal strafer option and 6 500lbers or 3 1000lbers. plus it can stay longer on target than all those other planes.
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in a ground attack role, the b25c beats all of them.
b25c with 10x50cal strafer option and 6 500lbers or 3 1000lbers. plus it can stay longer on target than all those other planes.
I believe he was asking only about single-engined single-seat craft. At any rate, your B-25 has a considerably lower top speed, far inferior acceleration, all while presenting a significantly larger target relative to the models he mentioned. :aok
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I believe he was asking only about single-engined single-seat craft. At any rate, your B-25 has a considerably lower top speed, far inferior acceleration, all while presenting a significantly larger target relative to the models he mentioned. :aok
true, but it can take ground fire better,carry a larger payload,carry more guns,more ammunition,longer range,stay on target longer, has 2 engines,more ways to protect itself,and can come with drones. therefore i believe it wins :aok
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Ta-152H
1. Fire Power
2. Fuel Economy
3. Wep Endurance
4. E Retention
5. Speed
5. Fire Power
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Ta-152H
1. Fire Power
2. Fuel Economy
3. Wep Endurance
4. E Retention
5. Speed
5. Fire Power
Did you mention firepower?
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The 190A-5 with the two 20mm gun pack. I like the 152 but can't hit anything in it but I did shoot down 3 bombers in one pass once in it.
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I forgot to list another reason I like the A-5 the WGr-21 rockets it can carry are great for attacking bombers an make up for the lack of 30mm cannon that some other 190s have :)
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190 A8 ...cause when they make a couple of passes and slow down they can't get away from me :D
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Ta-152...is that cheating? because of ammo load and turn at high speeds. :old: If that one doesn't count then the F-8 because I love those little rockets. :airplane:
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Got sick of some HO-ing hog pilot so I upped an A8 on him. He tried it again and paid for it. Twice. :)
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I like the A5 with twin 20mm only.
This.
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A5
but I rather not fly 190s unless i hav a wingman. having trie wingman tactics with the 190, i realize that soloing in them does the suit the plane.
the D9 i a better 190 though. . . it has the power to really put ht pressure on - but i prefer mid war airplanes.
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How can you use maneuverability and 190 in the same sentence? They don't turn for crap.
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In-game, the D-9 is my #1, with the 152H-1 a close second. All my all-time favorite 190 variants though aren't entirely in the game, that would be the D-13, D-11 (was minimaly manufactured and in active service... but still, was in active service! *puppy eyes twords HT's general direction* ) and the short-winged Ta152C series of aircraft (which a few prototype/development models were made and saw action, but beyond that did not enter official production before the end of the war :( ).
If I had a personal wishlist, it would be for two aircraft: a D-11 or D-13 and a G-3 or some G-varient would be nice to see in the game some day.
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How can you use maneuverability and 190 in the same sentence? They don't turn for crap.
:huh
Thankfuly, unlike you, most of us cartoon pilits know how to turn and manuever our aircraft in more ways than the one poney trick you know of, which is to just pull back on the stick.
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How can you use maneuverability and 190 in the same sentence? They don't turn for crap.
"He's intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking." -Spock
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Fw 190A-5 5 0 1 7
Fw 190A-8 117 2 5 31 pretty clear which one i like :banana:
Fw 190D-9 0 13 20 0
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I had similar experiences with the FW's in that for some reason the A8 was the one I did well in at first. Once I learned better energy/speed management I became much better in the Dora.