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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Westy on June 23, 2000, 04:12:00 PM
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Cod I'm in heavan!!!!
THANKS HTC!!!!
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
Cod I'm in heavan!!!!
THANKS HTC!!!!
-Westy
Ok skrew work, I gotta get home now lol
mx22
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This is the best thing I've seen from HTC in a long long time. This kind of surprises make the Sim live.
IS american, but I dont mind, this has been a wonderful surprise (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) WTG HTC! you are really class people
Now...lets hope my A5 eats that P47D (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Total surprise!!!!! Man this has made my whole week! HTC, you are #1.
T
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Thats it I'm leaving early!!!
Mox
TWC
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Man mabye i am no longer a luftwabble!
Its too early to tell tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But i think im in love with a girl, and her name is jug.
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YEHHAAA... As soon as I saw this post I left work calling sick ...LOL... It's a P47D whohoooo my fav plane with the mossie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
I don't really like the paint job, I feel like flying a circus aircraft but but but it's a P47D Muahahahaha.
thank big time HTC for giving us/me a P47D... (May I borrow some paint to repaint it?)
HEY A P47D!!!! Champagne!!!!!
I got a flying machine...woohooooo!!!!!
yes yes yes yes yes ... gnac gnac gnac
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Olivier "Frenchy" Raunier
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/rauns/gabby.gif)
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 06-23-2000).]
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And what a monster it is! I've only flown it offline so far, but .....
Took off from A1, trimmed to about 230 kts and then power dived her to 3000feet. At 420 mph I hit WEP and pulled up into a gentle zoom climb.
WHOA! She stood on her tail and screamed upwards. At 9000feet she was still indicating slightly over 100mph... I let her continue the zoom to slightly over 10000 feet before hammerheading back down.
She's fast, she's armed, she zooms like you wouldn't believe.
And now I have to decide between the Fw190A-5 and the P-47.
Damn you HTC! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/phoenix
'feel the heat .......'
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Yup. Turns a bit like a C47, but verticle and rolls.....
Got my 4 kills with it before I had to log (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Westy
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Im happy with any plane that has .50s
Will have to try it out after work tonight,so i want to see a lot of enemy 190a5 & 190a8 up boys..
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Hate to say it but the P-47 was removed from service in the arena due to (I believe) a P-47 load out bug that was dumping people offline.
-Westy
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Westy,
Yup. Turns a bit like a C47
Take her up to 32k and see how her turn compares to the others (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sharky
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In US comparison tests I've read the (late-model) P-47D out-turned the Fw 190A above 15k. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"It vill be a dinosaur, but a dinosaur vit good proportion" - Alexander Kartveli, lead designer for the P-47
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Lt Col Dune
X.O. 352nd Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfightergroup.com)
"The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
"Credo quia absurdum est." (I believe it because it is unreasonable)
- The motto of the Republic of Baja Arizona
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Well, I'm glad the P-47 is finally here, but..
Ugly, ugly paint job.
Try to compare the pilot armor with the P-51...somethings not right here...as it is, it's almost more restricting that the F6-art used in WB.
Cockpit layout: Can only see half the instrument while looking ahead.
Bombshackels on wings: Should only be there, when wing ordinance is selected; These were removed if they weren't needed on a per sortie basis.
Somethings odd with the fuselage shape too..can't quite put my finger on what it is, but I think the rear fuselage is too thick.
Can't really comment on the FM, as I dont know if it's carrying the weight of 14 .50 cals or only 8, but it feels too sloppy. (You have too move the stick too much to get a response)
Also need a medium ammo loadout:
425 was the max load, 325 the most common, 267 was a small loadout.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
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Agree with the paintjob Daff. For the rearview, just lean forward, the world becomes clear! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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First thing I do with um is customize my views, and poof, 6 view fixed. I seem to like look over my right shoulder for 6 view.
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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Daff, the P-47D speed and climb seem to be on the numbers. And it doesn't have the weight of 14 .50's, that's just a text bug.
I thought the underwing pylons were fixed, but that the shackles were removed and a fairing put on the pylon when no load was carried.
I agree the cockpit layout is annoying though, you can't see the VSI for one thing.
As for the 6 view: if you move the view all the way back, it looks just like in WarBirds. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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paint job ... ouch... pls.... beging for changing it (but never eard HTC willing to change a plane paint job). Don't get me wrong, the current paint job have been remarkably reproduced, great work, but i would love to see something without the stripe extending pass the cowling.
Instruments: Yes it's tought especially because u can't see the VSI. I believe it's because they can't 'make our head go more to the back of the cockpit'... oh well, I care way less than the paint job
rear views, with HTC greta idea of being able to move head around and save the positions, not a factor.
Performances: I don't know, never flew one. A WW2 pilot (From Harrison B. Tordoff, P-47 pilot, 353rd Fighter Group.): It was heavy and looked cumbersome but in the hands of agood pilot, it could turn and climb with an Me 109 or an FW190 ... And that's exactly what I intend to do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
As long as it dives better than anything else and still find a way somehow to turn more than a flying cow, awsome, I buy it.
Full post of the WW2 pilot report at :
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/003909.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/003909.html)
Oh and... HT? where can I find the "Bride" link? I may 'invest in a paintjob' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by SFRT - Frenchy (edited 06-24-2000).]
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Anyone have any numbers on the -30? I have solid numbers for the -25 but didn't know if they had the same engine or not.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Pylons, that was the word (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (Shouldnt post at 5 am :P)...I got several pictures of Gabreski's P-47D-25 both with and without pylons. (And the D-25 came with them mounted from the factory).
The P-47 will never straight outclimb the 109 and 190, unless you go into a highspeed climb (keeping climbspeed above 250). It will probably by far be the worst climbing plane in AH. It *should* be able to use a combination of climb and zooms to get on top of the 190 (According to every single pilot report I've read), but I somehow doubt that this will be the case (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Pilot Armor: Again, compare the P-51 and the P-47...they had very similar type pilot armor, but yet it's hardly there on the P-51.
Sure..keep the current armor on the P-47, but add one to the P-51.
Also, while I'm at it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It should have 150 gallon drop tanks, not 75. The 75 gallon was mainly used in '43 and were UK made tanks.
According to AHT, the P-47D-30 has the same engine as the P-47D-25,(P&W-R2800-59), but got 300 more HP..I suspect it's a mix up of designations...I thought it had the P&W-61, but AHT got that down on the XP-47J (Which used a Chrysler engine!).
I'll dig around some more.
If it got 2600hp at WEP (2300hp normal), it should climb a fair bit better than the numbers in AHT.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
[This message has been edited by Daff (edited 06-24-2000).]
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Ok, I'm somewhat confused now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The P&W-R2800-61 did go in the XP47J..it was the XP-47H with the Chrysler engine.
But..AHT gives a MAP of 64" at WEP (2600hp) whereas previous versions of the P&W with water injection used 58" for 2300HP (According to the pilots manual), and the AH D-30 does show 64" with WEP on.
So...The performance should be a fair bit better than does quoted in AHT (Which the AH 47 does match pretty well).
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Agreed Daff, looks like we got another Curtis propeller...
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Daff,
The first time I climbed into the Jug I thought Oh my God! with respect to the armor. But with the adjustable views, I can see out of it as well as out of the Mustang.
One other thing though, (I can't believe I'm bringing it up) But the Jug, at least for me, seems to handle to well. It sure seems to me to handle better than the Mustang at all altitudes (well at least up to 33k, I haven't flown either above that in here)
I sure seems to be able to go over the top at slower speed than the Mustang and it seems to have a better sustained turn. Now I don't have any numbers just what I feel. Maybe it's just that it accelerates better so I can manuver sooner without having to wait for speed to build as in the Mustang.
Sharky
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Playboy Leader
307th FS/31st FG
You can run but ya just die tired
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Thanks HTC for my Jug!!!
Gotta agree with my Skipper though, the paintjob is obscure and the 6 view is absolutely horrid. It seems like a 5 yr old was placed in the seat. Jug pilots were seated higher than that. I know the views are adjustable but this one is absurd. Gonna have to fiddle with it some. The FM seems very good, climb and acceleration seem about right and the turn while C47 like, still beats the turn rate of the Brand W Jug. All in all I'll take it...anyway I can get it.
Pyro, et al...please reexamine the 6 view though...that one really is baffling.
Thanks again, glad to see you caved in to the threat of armed supermodels storming your offices..<g>
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2nd Lt. Crapgame
62nd F.S.
56th F.G. "Zemke's Wolfpack"
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Well, after a couple of hours in the arena, I think it behaves pretty much exactly like the WB one...My bet is that they used the same data-set (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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a another pilto and I did a few comparisons today between the jug and 190a5. we started off from coalt and cospeed (10K, 175 IAS) and went into auto climb where the 190 easily coould pass the jug. But at 17K the jug started to pull away., we then went to wep and the jug was D3.0 by the time we got to 30K, pulling away at a fast rate. The AH jug is at home at high alt. Now against the G10 thios will be a different story. I then put the jug in a steep dive and to my amazement, it was compressed at 500MPH and I couldn't trim it out.The wings came off at 600MPH. I augered at a very extreme speed. The 190 followed and his AC was locked up in compression at the same speed. Now wasn't the 47 known for its ability to dive like that and still remain controllable?
(http://ww2.esn.net/~saved4sure/AMMO.jpg)
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Yes it was according to people who flew it. They may have changed something when I tried it offline the day it was released wings ripped after 700 TAS, 625 IAS.
Anyone knows the proper way to request a new paint job to HTC? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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please reexamine the 6 view though...that one really is baffling.
Well, with the adjustable view system, that's really a non-issue. I was able to configure my six view in the jug so that it looks like the rear view of the Dora in WB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Or course, if you don't adjust yer views, it looks like you have your nose pressed up against the armor plate.
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I then put the jug in a steep dive and to my amazement, it was compressed at 500MPH and I couldn't trim it out.The wings came off at 600MPH. I augered at a very extreme speed. The 190 followed and his AC was locked up in compression at the same speed. Now wasn't the 47 known for its ability to dive like that and still remain controllable?
Nope. It could accelerate very quickly in a dive, but it's critical Mach number was comparitively low. On later P-47's dive flaps were added to allowed the pilot to pull out of dives at a higher speed. The P-47D-30 in AH has them, and using them does help alot.
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banana, is it a non-issue that the P-51D with similar type pilot armor got loads better 6 view?...while I know I'm going to sound like Lazs, it's hardly fair, is it?
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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your trying to game the game daff
the realistic point of view would be to get close to the armor plate and move your point of view to the side to get a better view.
in essence leaning to the side to get a look back at the tail instead of moving the pov all the way forward.
the proportions of the AH p47 cockpit and view limitations are accurate.
but no question the P-51d needs to be brought "up to code" of the latest artwork realism standards, its looking a little dated.
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Whats wrong with the P-47 "six view" ? I haven't flown it in the arena, but I set my views up offline, and didn't notice any problems.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Gaming the game?..how?
By all means, keep the armor plate as it is in the P-47....but fix the P-51 armor plate (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
(Or has the Pony Mafia already infiltrated HTC <G> )
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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OK, forgive me, for I just fly them, not study them, (at least to that extent). So please explain "critical mach number" to me.
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Yes; we have. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The P51-D bubble canopy actually afforded a poorer rear and forward down view than the P51B with a Malcom Hood. The Malcom Hood, a british mod; was also evaluated here in the US; and since it too suffered from the NIH syndrome; the folks at North American Aviation opted for a bubble canopy. This is documented; and yes it is contrary to the POPULAR belief that you could not see your six from the cockpit of a bird-cage canopied plane.
The Jug with with an optimum head position adjustment actually has a better six view than the Pony in the sim.. so; why pick on my pony??
However; just as you can with a F4U, the sim allows head movement, turning this gripe into a non issue.. and I await the P51B with the Malcom Hood. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'd sure like to get a snap view key that allows a brief 'head-down' peek at the lower guages in the Jug.. using page-down is very very clumsy.
Hang
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Use Keypad 0 + 8, Hang
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Many of you old timers prolly know about this sight, but Im sure there are several that dont--
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html)
great vintage war department training films on the USAAC AC.
I didnt know about it till I was shown by a friend from Warbirds.
[This message has been edited by -ammo- (edited 06-25-2000).]
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Daff what the hell are you going on about with this 6 view rubbish? It's utterly ridiculous!
Oh - I see what it is now, hehehe. You ARE gaming the game - or do you normally sit backwards in your plane? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wait, if Chuck can do it, it must be historically accurate!
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/Fighters/P51/HM-7.jpg)
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 06-25-2000).]
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I say give Hang all the six view he needs just obstruct his 12 view with something other than my aircraft .
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