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Title: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 02, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
do you not get a kill if you ram someone and they go down?

i rarely ever ram, the only times i will is if im outnumbered and winchester. or if some fool decides to try to HO me.


in the DA earlyer, had 2 spitdweebs trying to HO me, so i decided to ram them in my p47D-25. needless to say they easily fell from the sky, but i didnt get a kill for ether one of them.

so does a ram no longer = a kill?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: fudgums on January 02, 2011, 05:45:27 PM
here we go again
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Lusche on January 02, 2011, 05:48:41 PM
For the program, there ain't no such things as rams. There are just collisions, and kill crediting is and always has been completely independent from this.
If someone dies from a collision, the kill credit for him goes to the player that did most damage to him (by guns, rockets, bombs). If he was not damaged by any enemy weapons, it's a proxy for the closest enemy player at the moment of death (if inside proxy kill range)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Amaazee on January 02, 2011, 07:06:31 PM
here we go again
:noid
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: The Fugitive on January 02, 2011, 07:18:23 PM
do you not get a kill if you ram someone and they go down?

i rarely ever ram, the only times i will is if im outnumbered and winchester. or if some fool decides to try to HO me.


in the DA earlyer, had 2 spitdweebs trying to HO me, so i decided to ram them in my p47D-25. needless to say they easily fell from the sky, but i didnt get a kill for ether one of them.

so does a ram no longer = a kill?

and people DON'T think the game is going down hill?

From my point of view there is NEVER a reason to try and ram/have a collision. If out numbered and out of ammo I'll fly until I'm out of gas or clip a tree trying to run or get help from a friendly. HOs I just naturally try to avoid from the on set, I'm in it for the fight, not a joust.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 02, 2011, 08:14:01 PM
and people DON'T think the game is going down hill?

From my point of view there is NEVER a reason to try and ram/have a collision. If out numbered and out of ammo I'll fly until I'm out of gas or clip a tree trying to run or get help from a friendly. HOs I just naturally try to avoid from the on set, I'm in it for the fight, not a joust.

how does that show that im "going downhill"? it just shows im not ready to stop the fight after im out of ammo, i'll try whatever i can to kill you after that.


i usually only use these tactics in the DA anyways, where its nothing but gangtard/HOtards/pickers.


sure i could do what you do, but how does that teach them not to be gang/pick/HO tards? it doesnt.

make there plan backfire on them, and they will reconsider doing it again. atleast to you.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: waystin2 on January 02, 2011, 08:19:25 PM
Purposeful ramming is impossible to do. :aok
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: infowars on January 02, 2011, 08:22:26 PM
For the program, there ain't no such things as rams. There are just collisions, and kill crediting is and always has been completely independent from this.
If someone dies from a collision, the kill credit for him goes to the player that did most damage to him (by guns, rockets, bombs). If he was not damaged by any enemy weapons, it's a proxy for the closest enemy player at the moment of death (if inside proxy kill range)

This about sums it up...  Next
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: The Fugitive on January 02, 2011, 08:24:08 PM
how does that show that im "going downhill"? it just shows im not ready to stop the fight after im out of ammo, i'll try whatever i can to kill you after that.


i usually only use these tactics in the DA anyways, where its nothing but gangtard/HOtards/pickers.


sure i could do what you do, but how does that teach them not to be gang/pick/HO tards? it doesnt.

make there plan backfire on them, and they will reconsider doing it again. atleast to you.

I didn't say YOU were going down hill, I said the GAME is going down hill. Plays like "ramming" is nothing but BS. You want to prove something to the HOers and such, get in a new plane come back and kick their ass.

Players that think about doing stuff like ramming is whats bring the game play down.

When I was a kid if you got into a fight in the school yard it was considered bad form to kick the other guy in the nuts. Today it's the first move.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: danny76 on January 02, 2011, 08:24:16 PM
Purposeful ramming is impossible to do. :aok

It is? Sonderkommando ELBE may disagree, as would Kamikaze
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: The Fugitive on January 02, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
It is? Sonderkommando ELBE may disagree, as would Kamikaze

In the GAME !  jeeeezzzzz.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: danny76 on January 02, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
In the GAME !  jeeeezzzzz.

Apologies, just stumbled across the thread and was in a mind to be pedantic fascetious and belligerant :aok
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: 321BAR on January 02, 2011, 11:16:11 PM
Purposeful ramming is impossible to do. :aok
ever nose up in front of a bomber and have the bomber hit your topside? :aok purposeful ramming is possible just hard to do
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: TinmanX on January 03, 2011, 12:20:05 AM
in the DA earlyer, had 2 spitdweebs trying to HO me, so i decided to ram them in my p47D-25.

Honestly, who is the dweeb in this situation?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 12:30:14 AM
Honestly, who is the dweeb in this situation?

i survived both rams with just an aileron lost, both spits lost there life.

so, you were about to say...?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: uptown on January 03, 2011, 12:41:25 AM
I rammed some guys and I want my DA kills damnit!  :furious
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: BaldEagl on January 03, 2011, 02:33:21 AM
When I was a kid if you got into a fight in the school yard it was considered bad form to kick the other guy in the nuts. Today it's the first move.

It was a common occurance when I grew up and I think you and I are close to the same age.  It's how I learned that it hurt and how to avoid it.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Ghosth on January 03, 2011, 07:11:36 AM
Lusche nailed it, there is no "Ram".

You can not run into an enemy plane, or cause him to run into you without taking damage yourself.
In fact your more likely to take damage than he is, as he has a very good chance of not running into you.

Read up on collisions and lag, and keep reading it until you understand it.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
Lusche nailed it, there is no "Ram".

You can not run into an enemy plane, or cause him to run into you without taking damage yourself.
In fact your more likely to take damage than he is, as he has a very good chance of not running into you.

Read up on collisions and lag, and keep reading it until you understand it.



actually thats a flawed statement.

but im too tired to post the reason why right now, i'll be back in like 5 hrs once my brains awake.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: CptTrips on January 03, 2011, 08:16:11 AM

Shouldn't that be "ram != kill"  or at least "ram <> kill"?

What is that Cobol?

 :D
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: dedalos on January 03, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
and people DON'T think the game is going down hill?

From my point of view there is NEVER a reason to try and ram/have a collision. If out numbered and out of ammo I'll fly until I'm out of gas or clip a tree trying to run or get help from a friendly. HOs I just naturally try to avoid from the on set, I'm in it for the fight, not a joust.

Nah, the reason we have collisions is to prevent people from doing the above.  Wait a minute . .  . :headscratch:

I am guilty of ramming people with my tail a lot  :banana: :lol
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: mcboi on January 03, 2011, 09:20:26 AM
Has anyone actually ever tried to purposely ram someone before without the head-on ram? Its rather quite difficult to pull off. I attempted to ram someone the other day because i was outta ammo with 5 kills and no friendlies around. So I knew the only way i would be able to land without getting vulched on landing was to ram the only enemy plane that was there hoping that with the AH collision model i might be able to fly away lmao. btw the field was de-acked so i had no help there. unfortunately i was unable to ram and got vulched but it sure was fun tryin to  :banana:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: DMGOD on January 03, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
Has anyone actually ever tried to purposely ram someone before without the head-on ram? Its rather quite difficult to pull off. I attempted to ram someone the other day because i was outta ammo with 5 kills and no friendlies around. So I knew the only way i would be able to land without getting vulched on landing was to ram the only enemy plane that was there hoping that with the AH collision model i might be able to fly away lmao. btw the field was de-acked so i had no help there. unfortunately i was unable to ram and got vulched but it sure was fun tryin to  :banana:
Pffft.... it's people like you that are ruining the game breezy fricking ace pilot
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: mcboi on January 03, 2011, 09:24:45 AM
ahh yes this would be the 1st ive ever heard you dmgod complaining about getting rammed  :O  :bolt:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: DMGOD on January 03, 2011, 09:25:40 AM
ahh yes this would be the 1st ive ever heard you dmgod complaining about getting rammed  :O  :bolt:
not complaining about being rammed i rather enjoy that was just stating that u ruin the game
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 09:27:59 AM

actually thats a flawed statement.

but im too tired to post the reason why right now, i'll be back in like 5 hrs once my brains awake.

I'm sure you'll disprove the logic of a 10+ year veteran and trainer once your brain "awakes".

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
I'm sure you'll disprove the logic of a 10+ year veteran and trainer once your brain "awakes".

 :rofl :rofl

yep, just like i disproved yours.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 09:29:44 AM
yep, just like i disproved yours.  :rolleyes:

Oh you certainly showed me!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
Oh you certainly showed me!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

and i guess putting a bunch of  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl in your posting is your way of showing everyone you know more than me, huh?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 09:32:08 AM
and i guess putting a bunch of  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl in your posting is your way of showing everyone you know more than me, huh?

Of course not, I'm showing everyone how much you amuse me!

Doesn't take a genius  :lol
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Lusche on January 03, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
Has anyone actually ever tried to purposely ram someone before without the head-on ram? Its rather quite difficult to pull off.

Yes I have. 

My screen:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1364/rammyfegg1.jpg)

At the exact same moment on enemy screen:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8728/ramotherfexg7.jpg)

In other words... it did not work ;)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Delirium on January 03, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
Has anyone actually ever tried to purposely ram someone before without the head-on ram?

I have... some of the 80th were on different countries one night and I found Mensa. Instead of shooting a squadmate down, I repeatedly flew very close to him until he collided with me.

It isn't easy unless you're parked behind a bomber formation that isn't firing at you.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
Of course not, I'm showing everyone how much you amuse me!

Doesn't take a genius  :lol

i dont think its me that amuses you, i think its your own ignorance that does. :rolleyes:

but believe what you wish. i dont argue much with cranky adults who believe age=wisdom nomatter how many times they are proven wrong.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: DMGOD on January 03, 2011, 10:08:12 AM
i dont think its me that amuses you, i think its your own ignorance that does. :rolleyes:

but believe what you wish. i dont argue much with cranky adults who believe age=wisdom nomatter how many times they are proven wrong.
OH NO HE DIDN"T
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Lusche on January 03, 2011, 10:09:29 AM
but believe what you wish. i dont argue much with cranky adults who believe age=wisdom nomatter how many times they are proven wrong.

We are still waiting for you to show us the flaws in Ghost's statement :)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: caldera on January 03, 2011, 10:15:02 AM
do you not get a kill if you ram someone and they go down?

i rarely ever ram, the only times i will is if im outnumbered and winchester. or if some fool decides to try to HO me.


in the DA earlyer, had 2 spitdweebs trying to HO me, so i decided to ram them in my p47D-25. needless to say they easily fell from the sky, but i didnt get a kill for ether one of them.

so does a ram no longer = a kill?

You say you flew a D-25 in the DA, were out of ammo and still able to ram two other planes?  With the ganging that goes on and the kind of planes involved, I have to call Shenanigans on this story.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Dichotomy on January 03, 2011, 10:16:05 AM
popcorn - Check
lawn chair - Check
umbrella - Check
beverages - Check

Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: toddbobe on January 03, 2011, 10:28:04 AM
I know everyone hates the HO but I will point my guns at any water cooled engine. Of course I do this at long range so as not to ram.

I do also think the game is on a slight downhill slide. I think HTC needs more TV spots and perhaps giving some comps to the Vets..Maybe even throwinga few coin at those that make the game fun.

Thats just my opinion..I could be wrong.

Todd Bober..aka..Toddbobe
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 10:31:30 AM
We are still waiting for you to show us the flaws in Ghost's statement :)

i still havent been to bed yet :(. i have my answer to what i said, im just too tired to word it correctly. it will come soon.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 10:32:41 AM
You say you flew a D-25 in the DA, were out of ammo and still able to ram two other planes?  With the ganging that goes on and the kind of planes involved, I have to call Shenanigans on this story.

i think i still have the film, the spit16 was spider66, no clue who the 14 was.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: dev1ant on January 03, 2011, 10:45:39 AM
i survived both rams with just an aileron lost, both spits lost there life.

so, you were about to say...?

The fact that you survived doesn't negate the fact that ramming in any situation is lame.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 10:54:19 AM
The fact that you survived doesn't negate the fact that ramming in any situation is lame.

opinion=/=fact.

why is it lame? because i didnt let the 2 spitdweebs team up on me for an easy kill? that i out manuevered them, set them both up for a RAM, the only chance i had to putting them down? i didnt just fly straight and let them each take turns shooting my winchester plane until finally i blew up, but instead used quick thinking and some witty flying moves to postion myself to RAM them as they tryed to HO me, is that what you mean by "lame"?

Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: The Fugitive on January 03, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
Your right, you should get some sleep before you try to type a reply.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: dedalos on January 03, 2011, 11:02:06 AM
Yes I have. 

My screen:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1364/rammyfegg1.jpg)

At the exact same moment on enemy screen:
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8728/ramotherfexg7.jpg)

In other words... it did not work ;)


Got to love you guys.  You show en example of how to do it the wrong way, naturally it fails, and therefore it does not work lol.

Yes, if you try to ram someone like that it does not work.  You have to fly under them and pull up in front of them.  They collide due to their bad SA as you guys explain here and you fly away untouched.

The other way is head on and pull away the last second.  You are clear and he collides.  You may have some issues with his guns there but hey, you were trying to die anyway lol.

The safest way is to come in from the side as fast as you can but that is harder to time unless you are fighting buffs.

Since you guys are the experts on the subject, can you explain to me how I can collide when someone dives on my six, take tail wheel, aileron, and  PW damage and he gets no collision message?  Can you show me a pic that explains that situation including the contact points that caused the damage?  I am really interested in the tail wheel taking damage from a plane coming from above lol
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: RTHolmes on January 03, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
i have my answer to what i said, im just too tired to word it correctly. it will come soon.

save yourself the trouble and just RTFM:

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/lag/lag.htm)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: TinmanX on January 03, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
i survived both rams with just an aileron lost, both spits lost there life.

so, you were about to say...?
Surviving your own dweebery does not negate the fact that it was dweebery but you're doing such a fine job of embarrassing yourself here that you don't need my help anymore.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Vinkman on January 03, 2011, 12:00:12 PM
For the program, there ain't no such things as rams. There are just collisions, and kill crediting is and always has been completely independent from this.
If someone dies from a collision, the kill credit for him goes to the player that did most damage to him (by guns, rockets, bombs). If he was not damaged by any enemy weapons, it's a proxy for the closest enemy player at the moment of death (if inside proxy kill range)

Again I learned somehting new. I assumed my plane was counted as a weapon, and damage to a colliding aircraft was credited to me. But you saying this is NOT true.

Thanks for the info

<S>
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Zoney on January 03, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
opinion=/=fact.

why is it lame? because i didnt let the 2 spitdweebs team up on me for an easy kill? that i out manuevered them, set them both up for a RAM, the only chance i had to putting them down? i didnt just fly straight and let them each take turns shooting my winchester plane until finally i blew up, but instead used quick thinking and some witty flying moves to postion myself to RAM them as they tryed to HO me, is that what you mean by "lame"?



It is lame because you chose to do it.  I've rammed many times. I never wanted to.  I misjudged, or my controls were locked because I was too fast, or my flying surfaces were damadged and I could not manuver.  You had lots of choices, you could have had some fun and maybe tried to escape and taken that escape as a victory, but you wanted to ram because...................... ...?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: ImADot on January 03, 2011, 12:52:01 PM
Personally, I find it more fun to try to outfly them and have them auger or killshoot themselves (if more than one are fighting for the kill).  Intentional ramming is nothing but lame.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Shuffler on January 03, 2011, 01:01:10 PM
Yall did not take into consideration, possibly because of the plane that he was in, that he may be japanese. :D


Although the germans did ram some bombers from time to time.... on purpose.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: rvflyer on January 03, 2011, 01:41:30 PM
The fact that you survived doesn't negate the fact that ramming in any situation is lame.

WW ll ramming was a last ditch effort to bring down nmy aircraft and was used many times. One example
====================================
On 10 May 1945 over Okinawa, Marine Lieutenant Robert R. Klingman and three other pilots of VMF-312 climbed to intercept a Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu ("Nick") twin-engined heavy fighter flying reconnaissance at 25,000 feet (7,600 m), but the "Nick" began climbing higher. Two of the FG-1D Corsairs ceased their pursuit at 36,000 feet (11,000 m), but Marine Captain Kenneth Reusser and his wingman Klingman continued to 38,000 feet (12,000 m), expending most of their .50 caliber ammunition to lighten their aircraft. Reusser scored hits on the "Nick's" port engine, but ran out of ammunition, and was under fire from the Japanese rear gunner. Klingman lined up for a shot at a distance of 50 feet (15 m) when his guns jammed due to the extreme cold. He approached the "Nick" three times to damage it with his propeller, chopping away at his opponent's rudder, rear cockpit, and right stabilizer. The Toryu spun down to 15,000 feet (4,600 m) where its wings came off. Despite missing five inches (13 cm) from the ends of his propeller blades, running out of fuel and having an aircraft dented and punctured by debris and bullet holes, Klingman safely guided his Corsair to a dead-stick landing.[21] He was awarded the Navy Cross.[22]
==========================
Then there are those that are going to say but this isn't real war, they are usually the same guys that scream on 200 learn some ACMs lol
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 03, 2011, 02:01:12 PM
Yall did not take into consideration, possibly because of the plane that he was in, that he may be japanese. :D


Although the germans did ram some bombers from time to time.... on purpose.

You forgot the Russians.


Has anyone actually ever tried to purposely ram someone before without the head-on ram? Its rather quite difficult to pull off. I attempted to ram someone the other day because i was outta ammo with 5 kills and no friendlies around. So I knew the only way i would be able to land without getting vulched on landing was to ram the only enemy plane that was there hoping that with the AH collision model i might be able to fly away lmao. btw the field was de-acked so i had no help there. unfortunately i was unable to ram and got vulched but it sure was fun tryin to  :banana:

I've done it.

I figure it was hit or miss (yay, pun).  Out of ammo, skewered a goon.  He went down, I went down.  I abasically flew straight through him from behind.


opinion=/=fact.

why is it lame? because i didnt let the 2 spitdweebs team up on me for an easy kill? that i out manuevered them, set them both up for a RAM, the only chance i had to putting them down? i didnt just fly straight and let them each take turns shooting my winchester plane until finally i blew up, but instead used quick thinking and some witty flying moves to postion myself to RAM them as they tryed to HO me, is that what you mean by "lame"?


You could hae used your L33T flyin skilz to outmaneuver them and either make your escape or make them auger.  But, naaaaaaa.

Got to love you guys.  You show en example of how to do it the wrong way, naturally it fails, and therefore it does not work lol.

Since you guys are the experts on the subject, can you explain to me how I can collide when someone dives on my six, take tail wheel, aileron, and  PW damage and he gets no collision message?  Can you show me a pic that explains that situation including the contact points that caused the damage?  I am really interested in the tail wheel taking damage from a plane coming from above lol


There is an animated gif of Lusche's pics that show the film views of both aircraft superimposed.  It makes the whole "one person sees a collision, one doesn't" thing pretty obvious.

The "pull up in front of them" move works just as randomly.


wrongway



Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: dedalos on January 03, 2011, 02:11:52 PM

There is an animated gif of Lusche's pics that show the film views of both aircraft superimposed.  It makes the whole "one person sees a collision, one doesn't" thing pretty obvious.

The "pull up in front of them" move works just as randomly.

wrongway


Yep, as I said.  Got to love you guys.  Based on the last line of the above quote it is obvious that you don't really understand what is happening, but you are here explaining it to others  :lol

Not that what ever you posted answers any of my questions but hey, your post count went up by 1 lol

There is nothing random about it.  In the snails example you will be the one getting hurt and if you are lucky both of you.  In my examples the other guy takes the damage.  But, it is due to his bad SA and not because the collision system has any problems so its all good :aok
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Vinkman on January 03, 2011, 10:35:15 PM
Since you guys are the experts on the subject, can you explain to me how I can collide when someone dives on my six, take tail wheel, aileron, and  PW damage and he gets no collision message?  Can you show me a pic that explains that situation including the contact points that caused the damage?  I am really interested in the tail wheel taking damage from a plane coming from above lol

Just a guess,but perhaps it's because he hit you from inside your plane.   In a high speed collision did the the gap in position vectors being transmitted cause him to be a foot away in one packet and then inside your plane on the next one? hence he missed the vertical stab, rudder, etc.

Just a guess.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 10:50:50 PM
Still waiting for you to prove ghosth otherwise, kid :old:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tarstar on January 03, 2011, 11:08:41 PM
i dont argue much with cranky adults who believe age=wisdom nomatter how many times they are proven wrong.


 :huh  Yeah but ummmmmm... Ramming is Dweeby.. Lame.. Skill less.. etc etc etc.......... Try the guns  :old:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
It is lame because you chose to do it.  I've rammed many times. I never wanted to.  I misjudged, or my controls were locked because I was too fast, or my flying surfaces were damadged and I could not manuver.  You had lots of choices, you could have had some fun and maybe tried to escape and taken that escape as a victory, but you wanted to ram because...................... ...?

uh, ok. so me, in a p47D25,no ammo, being HO'ed by 2 spitdweebs with no friendlys around....where am i going to "escape" to? fly straight, hit WEP and hope i outrun them? no, they'd catch me easily and put 20mms up my arse.

try to outclimb them? they both had the E advantage, i would of just stalled out and got torn apart on my fall down.

outdive them? we were pretty much on the deck,maybe i should of turned my jug into a sub, and just "escaped" underwater,huh?

try to get a manuever kill against 2 spits who are obviously more nimble than my clumsy p47D25?

so i pretty much had two options.
1. "shake the stick" like a "noob" until the spits finally ran out of ammo.
or
2. the next time they went for a HO shot, duck to avoid it, then pull up at the last second hard to RAM them.


if i'd of done #1, i'd of heard an endless whine over all channel about how "noobish" i fly.

and now ppl are calling me "lame" for choosing the option which kept me flying, and them not.

pretty much sums up the meaning to "whatever you do, your gonna get called a dweeb for it"  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tarstar on January 03, 2011, 11:15:40 PM
now ppl are calling me "lame" for choosing the option which kept me flying, and them not.




No.... I'd say you pretty much announced it, really..  :lol
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:17:54 PM

No.... I'd say you pretty much announced it, really..  :lol

 :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:24:45 PM

No.... I'd say you pretty much announced it, really..  :lol

"announced it" as a question, which people have  choosen to attack like its a personal insult to them.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Melvin on January 03, 2011, 11:28:09 PM
He's a kid that flies bombers.

Forgive him his lack of fighter etiquette.






Tyrannis, put the shovel down and up some buffs.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:37:25 PM
He's a kid that flies bombers.

Forgive him his lack of fighter etiquette.






Tyrannis, put the shovel down and up some buffs.

L.O.L.

ya know, for all the redicule, and critisizm  you guys have pushed my way, noone has yet given me an alternate way to have survived my predicament that would of acually of worked.

the closest one was a sugestion to try to out manuever the 2 spits, but that was pretty much out of the question seeing how i was in a slow p47D25 on the deck against 2 spit16s.

so cmon guys, if your gonna say "your a dweeb for doing what you did" then throw some suggestions my way for what i "should" of done.

to make my poor cartoon piloting more acceptable in the eyes of all you great aces.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
L.O.L.

ya know, for all the redicule, and critisizm  you guys have pushed my way, noone has yet given me an alternate way to have survived my predicament that would of acually of worked.

the closest one was a sugestion to try to out manuever the 2 spits, but that was pretty much out of the question seeing how i was in a slow p47D25 on the deck against 2 spit16s.

so cmon guys, if your gonna say "your a dweeb for doing what you did" then throw some suggestions my way for what i "should" of done.

to make my poor cartoon piloting more acceptable in the eyes of all you great aces.

And you call US ignorant! Oh dear...
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:48:20 PM
And you call US ignorant! Oh dear...
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

all ive seen you do is "  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl " the whole time.

so why not enlighten me ole wise one?

tell me what YOu would of done,

oh, and " :rofl " isent an answer.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:50:44 PM
all ive seen you do is "  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl " the whole time.

so why not enlighten me ole wise one?

tell me what YOu would of done,

oh, and " :rofl " isent an answer.

Oh kid, you're so funny and you don't even know it!

A true comedian!
PLEASE, keep making ridiculous posts!  :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:54:49 PM
Oh kid, you're so funny and you don't even know it!

A true comedian!
PLEASE, keep making ridiculous posts!  :rofl


dont dodge the question, answer it.

Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:56:39 PM
dont dodge the question, answer it.



I don't think you're in the position to be making demands there, little guy.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 03, 2011, 11:57:46 PM
I don't think you're in the position to be making demands there, little guy.

i dont think your in any postion to " :rofl " at the way i do something when you yourself cant come up with a better way of handeling it.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:58:30 PM
To answer your question, because I'm a nice guy.

FIRST - I wouldn't have flown in the DA.

SECOND - I wouldn't have taken a D-25 to a deck fight.

THIRD - I wouldn't have run out of ammo

FOURTH - I would have shot the spits down with the ammo I didn't use.

Not too hard now, is it?
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 03, 2011, 11:59:03 PM
i dont think your in any postion to " :rofl " at the way i do something when you yourself cant come up with a better way of handeling it.

I love the way you insinuate.

You truly are as clueless as they say you are!  :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tarstar on January 03, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
To answer your question, because I'm a nice guy.

FIRST - I wouldn't have flown in the DA.

SECOND - I wouldn't have taken a D-25 to a deck fight.

THIRD - I wouldn't have run out of ammo

FOURTH - I would have shot the spits down with the ammo I didn't use.

Not too hard now, is it?

Perfect  :aok
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 04, 2011, 12:03:45 AM
Oh Tyrannis, you certainly proved me wrong yet AGAIN!

If you want more, PM me. But considering that you decided to declare yourself victorious the last time I suggested that...

 :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Melvin on January 04, 2011, 12:13:25 AM
I tried.

He's got a mouth like a motorbike. (Or typing hand at least.)


Melvin is  :bolt:
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 04, 2011, 12:16:15 AM
I tried.

He's got a mouth like a motorbike. (Or typing hand at least.)


Melvin is  :bolt:

I don't blame you.
 :old: Every man's actions are his own.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: TinmanX on January 04, 2011, 12:23:06 AM
ya know, for all the redicule, and critisizm  you guys have pushed my way, noone has yet given me an alternate way to have survived my predicament that would of acually of worked.

The alternative to your predicament is to not be the ultimate dweeb. Take your death, up another free plane and get on with it.

Your choices so far;
Deliberately ram - Lame
Post on the boards cos you didn't get a kill credit for your deliberate ram - Lame
Continue to argue your case despite the overwhelming and unanimous chorus of "Lame" - Lame
Quote and attack the one guy in here that asked the rest to cut you some slack - Lame.

I now dub thee Lame "Lamey" McLame of the hillside hamlet of McLameshire, where the slope of the town is so acute that the residents have evolved down the years a shorter leg which is fine whilst at home but when out of town visiting, the listing is rather noticeable.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: infowars on January 04, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
Jeeze,  I kinda feel bad for Tyrannis.  I think he wants everyone to understand his super uber skills.  Yet everyone mocks him.  I mean he out maneuvered two way more maneuverable planes that even had an E advantages.  And he did it without bullets...

That's just awesome...  :rock
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 04, 2011, 01:09:02 AM
I don't think 'ramming' and 'out maneuvering' fall into the same category  :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Ghosth on January 04, 2011, 06:50:02 AM
Still waiting.

Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 04, 2011, 08:18:59 PM
Still waiting.



I think he's finally accepted defeat! Only took six pages  :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 04, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
Still waiting.


its allready been explained by others.

you can ram someone when they are going for a HO by simply pulling up into them as there making there pass, ramming them head on.


unless by your post you ment the game doesnt register it as a "ram" but registers it as a collision instead.

if thats what you ment than im totally wrong and i admit that.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 04, 2011, 09:09:15 PM
its allready been explained by others.

you can ram someone when they are going for a HO by simply pulling up into them as there making there pass, ramming them head on.


unless by your post you ment the game doesnt register it as a "ram" but registers it as a collision instead.

if thats what you ment than im totally wrong and i admit that.

Really? Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nobody agreed with you when you say Ghosth's statement was "flawed".
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 04, 2011, 11:41:13 PM
its allready been explained by others.

you can ram someone when they are going for a HO by simply pulling up into them as there making there pass, ramming them head on.



You can miss them in exactly the same way as well.

I can collide with someone by pulling up in front of them, or not, on my front end or someone can collide with me, or not, on their front end when I pull up in front of them or both of us can collide, or not, on each respective front end when I pull up in front of them.

You seem to think you can purposely consistently collide with someone.

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8585/collision.gif)


wrongway


wrongway
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: ink on January 05, 2011, 01:34:07 AM
heck just fight it out yes even without rounds, the only way you are gonna get truly better is to fight it out,  who cares if your cartoon gets killed they have unlimited lives and free planes, and always look exactly the same....I fought  like 4 cons with no ammo and got 3 of them to auger the gnashing of teeth must have been awesome, my point is if you do not try to learn every thing about your plane the next time you are a simular situation you still will be at a loss as to what to do, if you pushed it and flew the bird and found out what it could do next time youll have more exprience and be in a much better situation to deal with it..  Good luck
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Ghosth on January 05, 2011, 07:27:04 AM
Tyrannis,  to get someone to run into you, so that they see a collision, and take damage, in such a way that you do not see a collision, and do not take damage is not as easy as you think.

In effect its like your pulling another plane behind yours on the end of a rope. Granted you can in some cases manuver below and in front of the other guy, then pull up slightly trying to accomplish this.

The problem is the "rope" separating you from the plane that they see is always changing length based on your ping to HTC.


Any other way that you try to promote a collision is much more likely to see you taking damage than they are. Its the nature of the beast.

When you deliberately try to "Ram" and complain about being "rammed" your promoting a myth that has virtually no basis in fact.

Get educated, get the facts, and quit telling people they are full of BS when you are the one who doesn't know what your talking about sir.

All things considered you got off pretty lightly.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Tyrannis on January 05, 2011, 07:31:17 AM
Tyrannis,  to get someone to run into you, so that they see a collision, and take damage, in such a way that you do not see a collision, and do not take damage is not as easy as you think.

In effect its like your pulling another plane behind yours on the end of a rope. Granted you can in some cases manuver below and in front of the other guy, then pull up slightly trying to accomplish this.

The problem is the "rope" separating you from the plane that they see is always changing length based on your ping to HTC.


Any other way that you try to promote a collision is much more likely to see you taking damage than they are. Its the nature of the beast.

When you deliberately try to "Ram" and complain about being "rammed" your promoting a myth that has virtually no basis in fact.

Get educated, get the facts, and quit telling people they are full of BS when you are the one who doesn't know what your talking about sir.

All things considered you got off pretty lightly.


i never complained about being rammed, but allrighty.

w.e oh "wise" one.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 05, 2011, 07:32:53 AM

i never complained about being rammed, but allrighty.

w.e oh "wise" one.

Fan the flames, fan the flames.

I hope I don't offend anybody when I say;
Oh dear lord!  :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 05, 2011, 02:40:28 PM

i never complained about being rammed, but allrighty.

w.e oh "wise" one.

sometimes it's best to admit when you're wrong or if your pride doesn't allow it, then just shutting up is the best course of action.  Continuing to argue a point where you have no basis in fact and have been proven repeatedly to be wrong and yet insist everyone else is wrong just paints you nothing more than some dweeb that has absolutely no clue.  Of course, one could have figured out that you have no clue by your attempts at forcing a collision because you lack any sort of skill to get out of trouble.

ack-ack
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Mirage on January 05, 2011, 03:54:02 PM
You can have my cluepons tyrannis you would benefit from them more then me  :D
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: minke on January 05, 2011, 03:55:21 PM
L.O.L.

ya know, for all the redicule, and critisizm  you guys have pushed my way, noone has yet given me an alternate way to have survived my predicament that would of acually of worked.


You were going to die.Take your impending death with good grace and move on
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: SWkiljoy on January 05, 2011, 05:05:00 PM
This about sums it up...  Next
Agreed.   :aok
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: pluck on January 05, 2011, 07:13:17 PM
lol, who's worried about surviving in the DA to begin with.  A bigger question is, you get ho'd, so what?  The other guy gets a kill, big deal.  Gah, anything to get a kill now-a-days.  Never thought I'd see a rammer calling out a hoer. Fun thread.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: ink on January 05, 2011, 11:47:24 PM
cluepon......that was great lmao
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Mirage on January 05, 2011, 11:55:33 PM
Feel free to use it at your own discresion :)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Dichotomy on January 06, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
don't forget the ever popular cluebyfour ;)
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: ink on January 06, 2011, 09:52:54 AM
roflmao.....
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 07, 2011, 02:40:58 AM
cluepon......that was great lmao
don't forget the ever popular cluebyfour ;)

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Mirage on January 07, 2011, 02:47:34 AM
All this thread needs now are some paracluepers
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 07, 2011, 02:50:07 AM
All this thread needs now are some paracluepers

Even with Paracluepers armed with Cluebyfours and Cluepons, I still doubt Tyrannis would be able to get it.
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: ink on January 07, 2011, 09:15:11 AM
lol perfect, get me day going with a laugh
Title: Re: ram=/= kill anymore?
Post by: Mirage on January 07, 2011, 12:07:31 PM
I am truly sorry for dragging this thread on guys but I saw the submarine thread and just thought I would say
The clueboat is about to set sail