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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: TWC_Jaxx on January 03, 2011, 12:05:55 PM
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Can anyone tell if whether or not the CH Fighterstick has a 2-stage trigger (half pull and full pull to fire primary and secondary separately)?
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No I'm afraid not.
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Negative. I have my trigger firing all guns, the top-left button for primary and the right-side button for secondary.
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hmmm
i've got my trigger to primary top thumb to secondary I just hold them both down when I want to fire all.
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hmmm
i've got my trigger to primary top thumb to secondary I just hold them both down when I want to fire all.
I've got more buttons than I have things to map to them. :D
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Same here :D 'now which button did I have mapped to the tailhook' *booom* guess that wasn't it :D
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You can always have a shift key so that when you hold the trigger it would be primary and when shift key is held then it all guns. You would need to load the CH Control Manager to do this. The shift key would also double all your buttons, no need to use the 1,2 and 3 mode. It is also advised that when you are using CH stuff to always load the CHCM for their are drivers that get installed with it.
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Thanks for the replies! Got my pedals yesterday and stick should be coming soon. Time to redevelop muscle memory. :uhoh
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You won't be disappointed. At first it will be hard to learn the peddles but stick with it and it will come to you. I know a few people that made the transition from twisty to peddles and they all say I don't know how I could fly like that. I will never go back to twisty.
Here is a link that might help you out look through it to find how to set up your CH. It is best to use the CHCM than to set them up in game. Homeboy has some good write ups and also has a map file you can use.
http://snomhf.exofire.net/ (http://snomhf.exofire.net/)
Look under Articles and downloads.
Here is another link about the CHCM:
http://www.stickworks.com/contents.htm (http://www.stickworks.com/contents.htm)
Any questions you might have send me a PM I'll see if I can help out. Hope this helps.
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although CH Control Manager is great and will let you do an almost unlimited amount of things
do realize that aces high will let you use all your CH gear including your 3 modes on both the Throttle & the fighter stick along with the extra 4 modes that Aces high has built into its controller setup section....
so you actually have an unlimited supply of options by just using Aces High forgoing the CHCM programming of your CH Stuff......
for those who play a asortment of other MMO games that use controllers, CHCM might be of an even more importance.....
the only thing I use CHCM for anymore, is to combine ( see ) my controllers as one...... (<--- hope I explained that right, was something murdr had suggested to me several years ago )
I quit using the CHCM to program/setup my buttons and switched to fully learning and using what Aces High has to offer
best of luck to ya, either way you go :aok
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From homeboys write-up.
"You Do Not Have To Actually Use CM
Many guys do not want to bother learning how to use the Command Manager and so never install it. That's fine but it is a mistake not to at least install it. Because the CH drivers are installed only when you install CM, you'll end up using the Microsoft generic joystick driver unless you take the time to install CM. Now, just because you install CM, you don't have to use it anymore after that (but shame on you if you don't ... ok, that's for another day). Once you've downloaded the latest version of CM, simply click on the file in the file manager to start the install. "
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From homeboys write-up.
"You Do Not Have To Actually Use CM
Many guys do not want to bother learning how to use the Command Manager and so never install it. That's fine but it is a mistake not to at least install it. Because the CH drivers are installed only when you install CM, you'll end up using the Microsoft generic joystick driver unless you take the time to install CM. Now, just because you install CM, you don't have to use it anymore after that (but shame on you if you don't ... ok, that's for another day). Once you've downloaded the latest version of CM, simply click on the file in the file manager to start the install. "
I never said to not install it , and I never said not to use it...... I simply offered an alternative, if one gets frustrated with CHCM......
to me CHCM is the newest generation of CH's old speed keys...... it offers the same things and more......
as for the using MS's generic driver verses CH's driver..... I wonder if this still holds true for Vista with latest SP and Windows 7?
for when I plugged in my CH Fighter Stick & Throttle on this "crap PC build" I just recently patched together.... Windows 7 installed the CH Drivers for my controllers automatically..... not the MS Generic Joystick Driver......
I just throwed this PC together last week, and I have not loaded CHCM up on it yet....... and I have had no problems or faults with my setup with Aces High when I went in to calibrate it and program the functions..... I am wondering if that MS Generic Joydriver thing was more related to early Vista OS's and older winXP, Win2000, WinMill, win98 etc......
Homeboy is awesome, does amazing things, and I often refer others toward his direction when needing help with CH or refer them to CH-Hangars forum...... or when they need help igf they use AlacrityPC (<--- or however it is spelled ) Homeboy did a most excellent guide to it along with how to tweak your PC before using it.....
this was nothing more than another option.......
any and all posts to help others all hold value, I was not trying to steer anyone one way or the other
hope this helps :salute
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Just an opinion on the control manager (and yes I agree install it) but it's a lot easier, for me anyway, just to use the AH options. Probably will be for someone new to the set up as well. I think of the control manager as an 'advanced' option that I will probably never graduate to. You guys that can use the 'shift' option and actually remember where everything is <S> but I like keeping it real simple and easily intuitive.
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Thanks for all the info!
So I got the stick yesterday and hooked them both up for a few hours last night. It's gonna take some getting used to but I find I already have much better control over rudder functions and I'm not inadvertanely twisting the stick everytime I go to line up a shot.
I did have some problems, however. The CH fighterstick has analog "trim" wheel for both x and y axis. It seemed like they were throwing off the calibration but I realized that AH sees the anolog trim wheels no differently than actual stick input. Theroetically I should be able to leave those trim wheels centered and just use the in-game combat trim, but it seemed like I was constantly fighting the airplane's trim for most of the night. It may just be that I was getting used to a different arm position (sitting back further so that I can get my long legs onto the pedals under my tiny desk), but was wondering if anyone had issues with these trim wheels or trim functions in general with the CH Fighterstick.
Also, my zoomtoggle for some reason is now mega-zoomed. It's kida cool for some purposes but I would like to adjust the default zoom position back a little. For some reason, my brackets dont seem to work for that. Any suggestions.
I do love the smoothness and accuracy of the stick and the fact that I dont need suction cups on the bottom to keep it from turning over.
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the bottom trim button I leave centered and use the in game trim. The left one I have slaved to engine rpms. don't know how everybody else does it but it works for me. Good luck
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Jaxx,
the only time I would even think of using the Y and X axis analog trim whels would be if my stick lost calibration during a fight ( which hardly ever happens )
some people will go to the extreme of taping them down with duct tape, to keep them centered, I for one have never had a problem with them......
is best to make sure the trim wheels are centered ( they have a detent to acknowledge this ) then calibrate your stick in Windows ( in CHCM ) and then in the game .. and forget about them after that
if you are having problems with trim, check out the following help page:
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/trim/trim.htm
it will thoroughly explain how TRIM in Aces High works......
edit: you can program then to actually use the analog trim wheels as a game mapped function for trimming your plane, I recommend not to do this myself, but to each their own decision
Dicho - the left one is actually the rotary throttle built on the stick, I too have it programmed to Engine RPM
hope this helps
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the bottom trim button I leave centered and use the in game trim. The left one I have slaved to engine rpms. don't know how everybody else does it but it works for me. Good luck
I'm assuming you leave the right one centered too. AH recognizes the left trim wheel as a separate analog input but not the center, and right wheels.
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I'm assuming you leave the right one centered too. AH recognizes the left trim wheel as a separate analog input but not the center, and right wheels.
yes, AH does not recognize them, but you can work around it via checking the links Cryptic provided you in his posts above, if you want that type of stuff
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sorry,
Wheel not button and TC is right I just leave the bottom one alone. Never could get used to it and I prefer to keep my hand on the stick as much as possible. I do like having the left wheel set to my rpm if I need to conserve fuel or cruise for a while. For me this made getting the right rpm quick and easy. But I'll shut up now TC knows a heck of a lot more than I do and is much better at explaining it.
Good luck though <S>
I've had mine for four years and it still works like new.
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you doing fine, Dicho.... and you shouldn't think like that.. you no spring chicken yourself and your advice, suggestions and help is just as important as anyone elses
:old: :salute
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TY TC
:cheers:
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Thanks all.
The only other problem I'm having is probably the result of using TrackIR, Saitek Throttle, CH Pedals and CH stick using only a passive USB hub. I just bought a powered USB hub today, so hopefully that will help.
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Like said before they are not trim wheels they are to use to center you axes once centered leave them alone. I would sugest you read the homeboy link that I put in the previous post. It would save a lot of trouble you might have.
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although CH Control Manager is great and will let you do an almost unlimited amount of things
do realize that aces high will let you use all your CH gear including your 3 modes on both the Throttle & the fighter stick along with the extra 4 modes that Aces high has built into its controller setup section....
so you actually have an unlimited supply of options by just using Aces High forgoing the CHCM programming of your CH Stuff......
for those who play a asortment of other MMO games that use controllers, CHCM might be of an even more importance.....
the only thing I use CHCM for anymore, is to combine ( see ) my controllers as one...... (<--- hope I explained that right, was something murdr had suggested to me several years ago )
I quit using the CHCM to program/setup my buttons and switched to fully learning and using what Aces High has to offer
best of luck to ya, either way you go :aok
TC wasn't trying to say you were wrong or righte was just posting that it is better to load the CHCM for drivers that's all. You do not need to ever touch the program again if you choose. I have just seen people say that I can't keep the stick calibrated,the first thing to ask is did you load the CH drivers. The answer is usually no. The second question is did you turn the wheels on the bottom and on the right side,The answer is do you mean the trim wheels. Again from homeboy"
"Those Trim Wheels, They Ain't
Those two dials near the gimbals of a CH stick are referred to in CH Products literature as "trim wheels." That's an unfortunate term because us aviation types can't help but think that means "aircraft trim" and we are tempted to try and use those wheels to trim our airplane. A better choice of term might be "pot trim wheels" or something like that. You see, this wheel is physically attached to the axis pot and can be used to center the pot (or equalize the travel of the pot to one side and the other). The problem with trying to use them for aircraft trim is once you've calibrated your stick and then you move one of these trim wheels, you throw off your calibration and it is very difficult to get the pot exactly where it was when you did the calibration. The precision of these wheels is not that great and just the slightest movement can throw the pot off quite a bit. It is my opinion that you carefully lock the trim wheels in their detent and never touch them again.
In truth, these trim wheels are a bit of a hold-over from the Gameport days where centering the pot was a legitimate issue. Because of the way USB devices are designed, this is not that much of an issue anymore. It is very rare that these USB sticks need any sort of pot trimming."
I too point a lot to homeboy he is one of the best when it comes to CH and also CH mods. I all so point people new to CH to homeboy write-up because it can get people familiar with what certain things are.
I for one use CHCM just for the things that you can do with it. I like to let people know that they just didn't buy a stick but a stick that has a very good programe with it. If they choose to learn the program is their choice.
I had to ask for help many times with CHCM on these forums and at the Hanger luckily their are some very nice people that have help me.
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don't you need the control manager installed to properly calibrate the CH equipment.
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don't you need the control manager installed to properly calibrate the CH equipment.
I have yet to install it, flatiron, on this PC I threw together last week....... with Win 7 OS.....
using CH FighterStick & Pro Throttle USB
it auto downloaded the CH drivers and it calibrated just fine in Win7 and Aces high
I just flew tonight online without any problems
YMMV
edit: I Do Recommend People Install it though, if they are using CH Products USB controllers....... I just have not gotten around to it yet..... but still I have had no problems....
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TC if you run the CHCM it will add the CH drivers, what windows installed were generic drivers.
I just think the CH drivers would be better than windows generic drivers. Yes they will work with the windows generic drivers.
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TC if you run the CHCM it will add the CH drivers, what windows installed were generic drivers.
I just think the CH drivers would be better than windows generic drivers. Yes they will work with the windows generic drivers.
Yes Cryptic, CH USB Drivers are better than windows generic drivers
but as I have already said, my Windows 7 automatically installed the correct CH USB Drivers for my USB Controllers when I plugged my controllers in
from the CH Products Website:
Drivers for most CH USB controllers are built into Windows by Microsoft. Thus making most CH USB controllers plug and play. The following controllers DO NOT REQUIRE any software installation:
Flightstick Pro
Combatstick
Fighterstick
Pro Throttle
Throttle Quadrant
Flight Sim Yoke
Virtual Pilot Pro
Pro Pedals
Ch Products Website quoted from:
http://www.chproducts.com/retail/downloads.html
now this may not be true for everyone, however it is true in my case....... if you would like I can go nd copy/paste the driver names for you if need be
this was not the case when I was using WinXP, I had to use CHCM
hope this helps :salute
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NP I believe you. I still use XP and when I load CHCM it installs all the drivers. I just like to use it for the scripts that I have some from homeboy and others from the Hanger. I like to let people know that there is more to the controllers,some never would know if we didn't say anything. Yes it is hard to learn if you want to write scripts but if you just want to use keystrokes or a CMC file it's not that hard. I have a CMC file that I send to people and show them how to use it. I have spent many hours helping people learn how to use the program only because homeboy took the time to help me. I'm just passing info on and willing to help others that would like to learn how to use the program. If I could learn it any body could sometimes it just takes someone to walk you through it like it did me.
I don't like to use the keyboard and have almost everything in my sticks. I can cycle through the salvos and delays with one button no need to use the keyboard. Know if Hitec would make a keystroke for the E6B. There's a way to make your mouse move to a certain spot on the screen but I could never figure that one out.
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Homeboy had a mod for a two stage trigger. It may be on his website that is listed earlier in this thread. He did the mod on two sticks for me and it works great. But you need to program it in CM.
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there is a good mod to change your castle to the 8way hat view, very easily done....then with the CM you can turn the 8 way into whatever, I got it set up to zoom in/out map and bring up text buffer, it is quite a reach to the 8 way, if that becomes an issue, easily fixed.
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Homeboy had a mod for a two stage trigger. It may be on his website that is listed earlier in this thread. He did the mod on two sticks for me and it works great. But you need to program it in CM.
I believe you need to take the stick apart and do some modifications in side the trigger.
I just use the shift action to produce the kind of the same thing. No programing needed.
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Can anyone tell if whether or not the CH Fighterstick has a 2-stage trigger (half pull and full pull to fire primary and secondary separately)?
mine doesn't......although i have my 50's on a thumb button, and the 20mm on the bomb release button....then the normal trigger fires everything.....
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I have used my CH stick and throttle with and without the CM. The difference I see is the CH stick and throttle will work without the CM installed, but it is difficult to calibrate the X and Y axises without them spiking. With the CM installed you can calibrate the stick and throttle and then go into the game and setup your controls and the X and Y axises are rock solid.
I do not use the CM software for anything else other than calibration. I do use a game pad with macros to for other functions.
Fred
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The difference I see is the CH stick and throttle will work without the CM installed, but it is difficult to calibrate the X and Y axises without them spiking. With the CM installed you can calibrate the stick and throttle and then go into the game and setup your controls and the X and Y axises are rock solid.
I believe that's because when you install the CM, it installs the CH USB drivers; without CM, you're using generic Windows USB drivers. That's probably why you experienced what you did.
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I believe you need to take the stick apart and do some modifications in side the trigger.
I just use the shift action to produce the kind of the same thing. No programing needed.
Not sure I'm following this one.. You mean that in order to fire just primarys for instance, you hold a shift key then trigger? Right now I have fire primary mapped to a separate button (thumb 4-way), fire secondarys to the bomb release and fire all to the trigger.
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You need to install the CHCM and use the program to do this. All buttons have one function normal and if you program a button to be shift if you hold that button down then you get the shifted action. This doubles all your buttons. Normal action and shifted action. That is how I get a dual stage trigger as you call it. I have primary for normal and all foe shifted. Hope that makes sense.
If you need help with the CHCM I'm willing to help you out PM me and we can talk.
I have a blank map that I can send you to get you started.
You will need to program your sticks with CHCM not in the game.
I would go to this sitehttp://snomhf.exofire.net/ (http://snomhf.exofire.net/) [drivers and downloads and the the CH Control Manager Tutorial]. Read a little first so you can get the basics down. While you are there he also has some mod stuff one where you ask about the dual trigger but you need to take the stick apart and need a few other things from other sticks. This is beyond my abilities.
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also go here http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/forum.php for lot's of info on using the CH software. When I last looked the even had a CM for dummies.