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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hellwolf on January 13, 2011, 04:03:00 PM
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Hi all, just a note to say how sucky some bomber pilots tactics have become.
In the last few days a number of players have deliberately destroyed 2 of their bombers by frantic manouvers, just so chasing fighter can record only one kill. Worse I had a player destroy all three bombers (after i chased him for two sectors) then send me a PM laughing that i get the three prox kills but no points.
I find it very hard to kill bombers (esp in my la7) and they mostly kill me, why cheat to make it harder or less rewarding for the fighter pilot to kill you, when its already quite difficult. If this behaviour continues to grow then no one will engage bombers and you will be flying around by yourselves. We could then rename the game bomber ace!
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This is not new; they have always acted like this.
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Bomb n' Bailers are a part of the game, happened to me yesterday (cough cough Utah cough)
But as for you being stinky....... Stop coming in from their 6 o'clock. You will improve the more you die, do not fret!
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Sounds like you found vGAZOOv
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It is a Chalenge.
Don't think of it as denied kills for you. Proximity kills don't get you anything anyway. Think of it as three deaths for the bomber guy and instead of landing his sortie for 100% of his points, he only collects 25% of his accumulated points for that sortie (if he damaged anything, of course). So basically he flew all that way and wasted all that time for very little gain.
If you get altitude and position yourself between the bomber and his target, he'll be less inclined to bail. Killing a bomber BEFORE he gets to the target is the ultimate win. He doesn't damage the target. He gets three deaths, you get three kills and if you land them, it's 100% points for you and WTG's all around.
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Hi all, just a note to say how sucky some bomber pilots tactics have become.
In the last few days a number of players have deliberately destroyed 2 of their bombers by frantic manouvers, just so chasing fighter can record only one kill. Worse I had a player destroy all three bombers (after i chased him for two sectors) then send me a PM laughing that i get the three prox kills but no points.
I find it very hard to kill bombers (esp in my la7) and they mostly kill me, why cheat to make it harder or less rewarding for the fighter pilot to kill you, when its already quite difficult. If this behaviour continues to grow then no one will engage bombers and you will be flying around by yourselves. We could then rename the game bomber ace!
speaking of this...why is it that you can "lose" your drones anyways? why cant drones pull off the same crazy manuevers your own plane does?all 3 are in the same plane. is it game mechanics that dont allow it?
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speaking of this...why is it that you can "lose" your drones anyways? why cant drones pull off the same crazy manuevers your own plane does?all 3 are in the same plane. is it game mechanics that dont allow it?
Trust me, you really, REALLY don't want this. If you think it's bad now wait until I invert my B25C formation so I can use the top turret like belly gun. :D
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Trust me, you really, REALLY don't want this. If you think it's bad now wait until I invert my B25C formation so I can use the top turret like belly gun. :D
we're both b25 lovers beefcake :aok i love when planes come in ALLMOST level with the tail,(cowering just out of reach of the top turret). they forget how effective it can be to just tilt the bomber to get a shot. :lol
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In the last few days a number of players have deliberately destroyed 2 of their bombers by frantic manouvers, just so chasing fighter can record only one kill. Worse I had a player destroy all three bombers (after i chased him for two sectors) then send me a PM laughing that i get the three prox kills but no points.
A kill is a kill.
I try to at least spray all of them as they pass. Let them bail. :devil
The proper response to the PM would be: "What are these "points" you speak of? You're still dead and I'm not. YP"
wrongway
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Hi all, just a note to say how sucky some bomber pilots tactics have become.
In the last few days a number of players have deliberately destroyed 2 of their bombers by frantic manouvers, just so chasing fighter can record only one kill. Worse I had a player destroy all three bombers (after i chased him for two sectors) then send me a PM laughing that i get the three prox kills but no points.
I find it very hard to kill bombers (esp in my la7) and they mostly kill me, why cheat to make it harder or less rewarding for the fighter pilot to kill you, when its already quite difficult. If this behaviour continues to grow then no one will engage bombers and you will be flying around by yourselves. We could then rename the game bomber ace!
lmfao
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speaking of this...why is it that you can "lose" your drones anyways? why cant drones pull off the same crazy manuevers your own plane does?all 3 are in the same plane. is it game mechanics that dont allow it?
Look at it this way, while you "command" the bomber group, your only flying the lead buff and the pilot of the other planes are just trying to keep up with you. While buffs are tuff they were NEVER meant to be flown like a fighter. The only reason you CAN pull off some of those maneuvers is because they are so tough. I think if buffs are flown like a fight with hard maneuvers I think ALL guns should become disabled because flopping a bomber around like that should throw your gunners all over the place and if not killing them out right, they should at least be heavily incapacitated.
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Hi all, just a note to say how sucky some bomber pilots tactics have become.
In the last few days a number of players have deliberately destroyed 2 of their bombers by frantic manouvers, just so chasing fighter can record only one kill. Worse I had a player destroy all three bombers (after i chased him for two sectors) then send me a PM laughing that i get the three prox kills but no points.
I find it very hard to kill bombers (esp in my la7) and they mostly kill me, why cheat to make it harder or less rewarding for the fighter pilot to kill you, when its already quite difficult. If this behaviour continues to grow then no one will engage bombers and you will be flying around by yourselves. We could then rename the game bomber ace!
go to the training arena.......there's plenty of guys there that can help you improve your tactics against bombers.
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Look at it this way, while you "command" the bomber group, your only flying the lead buff and the pilot of the other planes are just trying to keep up with you. While buffs are tuff they were NEVER meant to be flown like a fighter. The only reason you CAN pull off some of those maneuvers is because they are so tough. I think if buffs are flown like a fight with hard maneuvers I think ALL guns should become disabled because flopping a bomber around like that should throw your gunners all over the place and if not killing them out right, they should at least be heavily incapacitated.
+1 :aok
Bombers should be flown as Bombers.. The maneuvers preformed should have an effect on the crew.. It's the same as blacking out in a fighter, you pull too many G's, you black out.. You barrel roll a level bomber, your gunners are gone.. In a perfect world.. :salute
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If you know what you're doing, a buff driver can still turn on a dime AND keep his drones.
:salute
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ty for replies, dont feel like it was only me it was happing to anymore.
I know the tactics i should employ for bombers, but placing my self in the correct spot is the problem. Ok if im planning to track and chase them, its when i come across them during a battle. I find myself torn between a futile attempt at protecting the base or just letting them go if im not in the perfect spot.
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ty for replies, dont feel like it was only me it was happing to anymore.
I know the tactics i should employ for bombers, but placing my self in the correct spot is the problem. Ok if im planning to track and chase them, its when i come across them during a battle. I find myself torn between a futile attempt at protecting the base or just letting them go if im not in the perfect spot.
If your defending, Just kill the lead a/c or distract enough to make him miss.. :cool:
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i never bail from a bomber i like to stay alive and make it back home for that so called "squad name in lights". if they bail dont worry they just lack the skill to gun enemy fighters and quiet frankly SUCK at the game.
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no worse than the ones that fly in the strato easy mode 30K + , bombing strats or Hq then bang there chests with wtg's then bail
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couple nights ago, was bombing the rook HQ in a mossie bomber, a tempest came up after me, but couldnt catch up to me. i ended up taking a pilot wound from flak. me and the tempest ended up having a kind of high-level chase for 2 sectors.during which i was having bad blackouts from the pilot wound. eventually i realised i wasent gonna make it back to base before i died from the pilot wound, so i just ended up bailing to save time. i went on 200 to <S> the rook temp pilot for a fun chase, but then they pm'ed me calling me a running wuss,and that i should go to the DA and learn to fight. i pm'ed them back asking them how i was ment to fight back in a plane with no guns. they never responded. :rolleyes:
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they pm'ed me calling me a running wuss,and that i should go to the DA and learn to fight. i pm'ed them back asking them how i was ment to fight back in a plane with no guns. they never responded. :rolleyes:
One fears for the future of AcesHigh knowing the newer gamer types stumbling into the arenas really are this uneducated and ignorant.
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I up buffs all the time and bail out sometimes, and I consider it since fighters decide when and how to attack to get advantage, that it is my right also to either bail out or fight depending on if i have advantage to get a kill or bail out to annoy some wuss that decides to take 20 min to attack.
semp
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well you never been behind a dickweed bomber pilot. cause we never give up till we are shot down. And that is very seldom. so if you ever get behind a
dickweed bomber pilot. be wear our gunners are deadly. (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
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I up buffs all the time and bail out sometimes, and I consider it since fighters decide when and how to attack to get advantage, that it is my right also to either bail out or fight depending on if i have advantage to get a kill or bail out to annoy some wuss that decides to take 20 min to attack.
semp
Well sir, :salute to you to have the courage to tell the truth. I'm sorry but that does not excuse what most of consider to be extremly lame gameplay. You chose the aircraft, no one makes you fly bombers, so fly them and make it home, or die in them, period. Complaining about a guy who uses his aircraft correctly, sets up a good attack, and is patient enough to consider his approach and execute it, and you think he has earned the title of "wuss" because of this?
I suppose we are going to have to disagree on this, unless you "get it" some day and change the way you play because what you describe IMO is a pathetic excuse.
Look at it this way, if everyone bailed when they were, as you put it "at a disadvantage", imagine what this game would be like. Would you like to be responsible for showing new guys the "bomb and bail" method or a civil and sportsmanship game.
I choose to give more than I take, or at least I feel I do, to this game.
Finally, I truly understand how you feel as I was once as you are. Not here but in Warbirds. I played as you described. I am still very embarrassed for playing that way. Even though I completely changed the way I played for the last 2 years in Warbirds, it still embarrasses me to this day.
Man to man, I now ask you to consider your actions, see the possible flaws in your thinking, and make a change for the better.
Thank you sir, and again :salute
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I haven't read the whole thread but just an opinion, I've noticed that most fighters at least try to make it back to base, with or without kills. I think it's out of self respect and respect for there toon planes. I think for the bombers, people just don't have the same level of respect for the roll it has in the game, and the capability it really has especially with a little team effort.
Maybe a better perk system would suffice to the bombers "bomb and bail" issue. That way people would get a better sense of worth for the plane. Take note this would have no effect on the already respected bombers...
VAMPIRE <S>
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Whenever i fly bombers i look forward to using my guns to shoot down fighters. Dropping bombs isn't the fun part, its fighting your way out that is fun.
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Whenever i fly bombers i look forward to using my guns to shoot down fighters. Dropping bombs isn't the fun part, its fighting your way out that is fun.
+1 :aok
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Whenever i fly bombers i look forward to using my guns to shoot down fighters. Dropping bombs isn't the fun part, its fighting your way out that is fun.
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That's why i fly them when i bomb, exciting as it may be to sit and bomb a non moving building, the fighters at least fight back and if i die <S> to them
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Well sir, :salute to you to have the courage to tell the truth. I'm sorry but that does not excuse what most of consider to be extremly lame gameplay. You chose the aircraft, no one makes you fly bombers, so fly them and make it home, or die in them, period. Complaining about a guy who uses his aircraft correctly, sets up a good attack, and is patient enough to consider his approach and execute it, and you think he has earned the title of "wuss" because of this?
I suppose we are going to have to disagree on this, unless you "get it" some day and change the way you play because what you describe IMO is a pathetic excuse.
Look at it this way, if everyone bailed when they were, as you put it "at a disadvantage", imagine what this game would be like. Would you like to be responsible for showing new guys the "bomb and bail" method or a civil and sportsmanship game.
I choose to give more than I take, or at least I feel I do, to this game.
Finally, I truly understand how you feel as I was once as you are. Not here but in Warbirds. I played as you described. I am still very embarrassed for playing that way. Even though I completely changed the way I played for the last 2 years in Warbirds, it still embarrasses me to this day.
Man to man, I now ask you to consider your actions, see the possible flaws in your thinking, and make a change for the better.
Thank you sir, and again :salute
To begin with I hardly auger and there's no flaws in my thinking. If you were in an 190 and I was in a spit you wouldnt think twice of diving for the deck to save your plane thus denying me a kill. If it bothers you then think of it as me being the 190 that just dove straight down to deny you a kill.
It's silly to try to force somebody else to play a game the way you want it played. I fly the spit8 about 80% of the time, i just love it. but you dont see me coming here posting that fw190's, ponies, p47's etc., should try to turn fight me because I see it the same way as bailing.
:salute
semp
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To begin with I hardly auger and there's no flaws in my thinking. If you were in an 190 and I was in a spit you wouldnt think twice of diving for the deck to save your plane thus denying me a kill. If it bothers you then think of it as me being the 190 that just dove straight down to deny you a kill.
It's silly to try to force somebody else to play a game the way you want it played. I fly the spit8 about 80% of the time, i just love it. but you dont see me coming here posting that fw190's, ponies, p47's etc., should try to turn fight me because I see it the same way as bailing.
:salute
semp
It's completely different. Diving to the deck in a 190 to gain seperation instead of turnfighting a Spit is using one plane's strengths against the other plane's weakness. Bailing from a bomber is not. Climbing to higher alt to make it difficult to the enemy fighter would be, as well as turning your buffs so that the fighter always ends up on your six. The same thing as bailing from a buff to prevent "getting killed" would be bailing form a fighter
And actually it doesn't even prevent you from getting killed - it just denies your enemy a potential kill, you still "die" for Ah purposes.
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I up buffs all the time and bail out sometimes, and I consider it since fighters decide when and how to attack to get advantage, that it is my right also to either bail out or fight depending on if i have advantage to get a kill or bail out to annoy some wuss that decides to take 20 min to attack.
semp
That's the spirit! Demonstrate your character! :rofl
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well you never been behind a dickweed bomber pilot. cause we never give up till we are shot down. And that is very seldom. so if you ever get behind a
dickweed bomber pilot. be wear our gunners are deadly. (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
Especially THIS Dickweed.
I earned my "Bomber Ace" title haha! (not once, not twice, but three times ;) )
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
No need to tell me to watch for a fighter, most time I've already got them behind my sights, leading them the whole way ;)
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well you never been behind a dickweed bomber pilot. cause we never give up till we are shot down. And that is very seldom. so if you ever get behind a
dickweed bomber pilot. be wear our gunners are deadly. (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
Especially THIS Dickweed.
I earned my "Bomber Ace" title haha! (not once, not twice, but three times ;) )
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
No need to tell me to watch for a fighter, most time I've already got them behind my sights, leading them the whole way ;)
since when have you guys had to go guns hot on squad night in heavy bombers? :devil <S> Dickweeds, you guys definitely know your stuff and im proud to say the 20th FG gets to cover you. :aok
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since when have you guys had to go guns hot on squad night in heavy bombers? :devil <S> Dickweeds, you guys definitely know your stuff and im proud to say the 20th FG gets to cover you. :aok
Haha you guys do great. We wouldn't even make it to the target most of the time. Somehow...they always know the alt. LOL.
But once you guys get wrapped up I make sure to take my beautiful 50's and make it rain fire from the skies onto the wings, pilots and engines of my enemies. :devil
<S>20th FG! :salute
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That's the spirit! Demonstrate your character! :rofl
and which character defect would that demonstrate? :rofl :rofl
I can show you guys films of two vguys amigos that last night would bring lancasters to a base drop bombs and bail. and I can show you films of me upping buffs after fh were down to defense the base. and chasing ponies and fws all the way back to their base. killing a few before getting shot down.
is that a reflection of their character or mine? the answer is no. it's a game we play it whichever way we want not the way you want it played.
semp
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i'll admit, back in 09 i used to sort-of "bomb&bail" but in a diff way.
i'd up a b25, then fly out to an enemy gv field that was way far off from the front line. i'd quickly bail out after de-acking the place so the base would stop flashing and the other country would think it was nothing. then i'd quickly sneak back to said field in a goon and land troops. usually capturing the base single handedly before the other country even knew what was going on. i called it my blitz move.
but i havent done it ever since i started caring what my score looked like.
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score is so easily manipulated. I consider myself a little above a crappy player but not as good as a so-so player and I rank in the 200's.
I think the point of the thread is play the game the way you want to have fun. If bringing buffs and bailing out make you happy go for it. if you want to stay up and shoot it out, that's cool too. the point is have fun your way, not the way somebody else thinks you should.
semp
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well you never been behind a dickweed bomber pilot. cause we never give up till we are shot down. And that is very seldom. so if you ever get behind a
dickweed bomber pilot. be wear our gunners are deadly. (http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/animatedguns.gif)
Salute Dickweed Bomber Group. Class Acts all!! :salute :salute
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Haha you guys do great. We wouldn't even make it to the target most of the time. Somehow...they always know the alt. LOL.
But once you guys get wrapped up I make sure to take my beautiful 50's and make it rain fire from the skies onto the wings, pilots and engines of my enemies. :devil
<S>20th FG! :salute
I remember watching in horror as a P-47M that slipped through our fingers dive down onto your bomber group. I thought for sure that since we had screwed up, someone was going to die...
I don't think he even considered a firing solution before he lost both his wings to you fella's 50 cals... :confused:
:salute
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I fly a bomber like a fighter...... my B-38