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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oakranger on January 14, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
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18-20.
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Why? :noid
So many hardware combinations and eye-candy settings makes this question rather useless...
I force my v-sync to 60 to match my monitor. So, I'm getting 55-60 fps all the time.
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Almost never drops below 60
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45-60 ... about 25-30 with clipboard up..
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mine is any were between 25-50 got a new video card so that helps out alot, use to be between10-20.
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I'm good unless I try to take a screenie..... Then it drops to zero and 30 seconds later, the Disco.
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How many screen shots do you have in the aces high folder? The more you have the longer the delay when you take one. Move them to a different folder.
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I prefer Wix over Fram.
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I dont know. Displaying my framerate eats up framerates. :D
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My fram rate is about once every 3 months when I get the oil changed.
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60 solid.
When I was testing the machine and had V-sync disabled it peaked at 450 and never went below 150.
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75 rock solid, with an occasional drop to about 70. hi res and all the eye candy turned on.
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60 locked 120 unlocked
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I can turn all the eye candy on or off it makes no difference, it stays at 60.
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60 locked 120 unlocked
What do you mean by "unlocked" ?
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Never thought about that, Thank You!
How many screen shots do you have in the aces high folder? The more you have the longer the delay when you take one. Move them to a different folder.
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18-20.
The question is when.
If ack is firing 30 to 40
If buffs (several formations) are firing with planes in smoke 10 to 20
Two or three planes around 60 until I pull the trigger
The DA is the only place where I can hold a constant 60. Probably because of the low number of planes and objects around
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10-30 FPS
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20-60...
its really all over the map, but most of the time its at 60
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59-60 no matter what is going on.
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59-60 no matter what is going on.
:furious
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On the time or two I looked it was around 60.
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60 usually. but have hat it spike up to 75 sometimes.
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locked 60 unlocked 175 and up
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Mines anywhere from 7-20... :cry
Thats with graphics all the way down.
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60 locked 120 unlocked
Unlocked?
The question is when.
If ack is firing 30 to 40
If buffs (several formations) are firing with planes in smoke 10 to 20
Two or three planes around 60 until I pull the trigger
The DA is the only place where I can hold a constant 60. Probably because of the low number of planes and objects around
Dam good question!
FSO, on the runway when fields are open, it drops to 5. there are times it will drop to 10-15 in furball or a lot of bombers.
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200+ unlocked steady 59 otherwise
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60 to 75 usually
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How do you....unlock?
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when u firstlog in go to video settings the disable v sync
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Just a quickie explanation of vsync- VSync basically tells the video card to synchronize their output with the monitor, so the video card caps (or 'locks' as some have put it here) its frame rate at the frame rate the monitor is running, if the video card is capable of displaying that framerate or more. Since 90% of monitors run at 60fps, peoples' framerates most often cap at 60.
If you turn off vsync, the card will create as many frames as it can, and the framerate counter ingame will display what the card is doing, but it makes no difference to what actually is seen by the user on the monitor because the monitor cannot go faster than 60fps or whatever its refresh rate happens to be.
Wiley.
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plus the human eye can't see more then 60 fps
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:furious
Sorry Ded I have a quad core i7 with a lower end GTS250. I am sure they will tax it more when we get some more updates.
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59-60 always
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plus the human eye can't see more then 60 fps
That's true for the most part. Although I had one coworker who for whatever reason could tell the difference between 60 and 75fps on her monitor. She got eyestrain and headaches at 60, but was fine at 75. Don't know why.
Wiley.
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LOL you guys and your fancy computers!
All graphics sliders far right, flying alone 20ish FPS
Furball around 12-15 FPS
Smoke coming from hangers? LOL drops to around 10 FPS
GVing or attacking GVs I move ground detail slider to middle approx, FR about 5 - 7 FPS
<---- needs a new computer BADLY!
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That's true for the most part. Although I had one coworker who for whatever reason could tell the difference between 60 and 75fps on her monitor. She got eyestrain and headaches at 60, but was fine at 75. Don't know why.
Wiley.
That is because lights create a strobe effect at 60 htz. If I look at a 60 htz monitor (not lcd flat screen) it drives me nuts with in 2 secs I see the effect.
HiTech
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That is because lights create a strobe effect at 60 htz. If I look at a 60 htz monitor (not lcd flat screen) it drives me nuts with in 2 secs I see the effect.
HiTech
so are you guys basically saying its a BAD idea to "unlock" frame rate?
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That is because lights create a strobe effect at 60 htz. If I look at a 60 htz monitor (not lcd flat screen) it drives me nuts with in 2 secs I see the effect.
HiTech
Hey, is that because of the frequency of AC or just a coincidence?
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2(rarely) low in a crowd on Mindanao. 60 alone. Usually 7-30.
I played for a little while at 7-20. Dogfight strobe. Heat and drivers, I think.
I've seen 0 before too.
I was flying at 256 and switched to 128 and it got worse. 512 now, I think, because it doesn't seem to matter.
All eye candy off.
wrongway
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What I'm saying is, it's meaningless.
Your monitor is only displaying the 60 fps or whatever its refresh rate is, and it makes no sense to have your PC doing the work to render more.
Hitech- Cool, never knew about that, and it was a CRT.
Wiley.
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Wow. You guys with the low frame rates, can you post your system specs? (CPU, Ram, Vid Card)
Also post what settings you're using for graphics -- in and out of the game, resolution, etc.
Some of you have extremely low frame rates! I had a cheapo Dell (E7200 processor, 3GB RAM, ATI 4350 all running stock) that still put out over 50 fps in 1024x768 as long as I turned down AA and various settings.
I remember how frustrating it was in AW with low frame rates (30 was the magic number back then).
mir
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15 ftw
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Wow. You guys with the low frame rates, can you post your system specs? (CPU, Ram, Vid Card)
Also post what settings you're using for graphics -- in and out of the game, resolution, etc.
Some of you have extremely low frame rates! I had a cheapo Dell (E7200 processor, 3GB RAM, ATI 4350 all running stock) that still put out over 50 fps in 1024x768 as long as I turned down AA and various settings.
I remember how frustrating it was in AW with low frame rates (30 was the magic number back then).
mir
I have a inspiron 1525
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mine ranges from 45 (when the bish horde is on the prowl) to 59-60 (when i fight on the nit front.)
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so are you guys basically saying its a BAD idea to "unlock" frame rate?
there is no point to disable vsync
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That's true for the most part. Although I had one coworker who for whatever reason could tell the difference between 60 and 75fps on her monitor. She got eyestrain and headaches at 60, but was fine at 75. Don't know why.
Wiley.
In the CRT monitors that was common with low refresh rates of 60Hz or less, not an issue with LCD/LED monitors.
ack-ack
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3. 1.5 in smoke.
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there is no point to disable vsync
Interesting. I wondered why my new card (gts 450) stayed pegged at 60fps. This game doesn't even make the cooling fan come on. Ive seen it dip down to 58fps in a furball loaded with field ack. lol.....
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Interesting. I wondered why my new card (gts 450) stayed pegged at 60fps. This game doesn't even make the cooling fan come on. Ive seen it dip down to 58fps in a furball loaded with field ack. lol.....
you wanna see what it can do disable vsync and log in I have a xfx ati 5770 and Ive seen it jump to 462 fps. It's nice to see that ur getting what u paid for once in a while lol
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30-200
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Never thought about that, Thank You!
n00b
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All the way turnt up settings anti alaising at most, with vsync I get 60, with out 130, but there's no point of not usig vsync
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Had a gaming machine specifically built for me with a hot video card--hot sound card--plenty of RAM expandable to 6Gig.
Solid 60 unless clipboard is up then it's 55-58. Drops to 45 50 on FSO with 30-40 guys taking off but goes back to 60 relatively fast.
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If i turn off my vsync will i get a better FR then? I definently need that.
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That is because lights create a strobe effect at 60 htz. If I look at a 60 htz monitor (not lcd flat screen) it drives me nuts with in 2 secs I see the effect.
HiTech
Or she's reptilian.. :noid
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plus the human eye can't see more then 60 fps
Actually, 72 is the more commonly accepted number, IIRC.
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If i turn off my vsync will i get a better FR then? I definently need that.
Yes. It has been known to cause issues with the game/your system, though.
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That is because lights create a strobe effect at 60 htz. If I look at a 60 htz monitor (not lcd flat screen) it drives me nuts with in 2 secs I see the effect.
HiTech
Most people can tell the difference on a CRT using their peripheral vision. Look slightly off to the side of the monitor and you'll notice the flicker.
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Graphics Off- 110-120
Graphics On- 50-60
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If i turn off my vsync will i get a better FR then? I definently need that.
Yes. It has been known to cause issues with the game/your system, though.
No you will not! Seeing as your frame rate is under the 60 of the refresh rate of your monitor it will still show the frames you are getting...20, because you never reach the lock point as it is.
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No you will not! Seeing as your frame rate is under the 60 of the refresh rate of your monitor it will still show the frames you are getting...20, because you never reach the lock point as it is.
Im lost....Turn it off or on for better FR....
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I hold a smooth 58-60 fps with it on. However, if I turn it off, yeah I get some high numbers, but you want want to talk about stuttering. I believe it is noted to turn off V-sync for frame-rate testing only, or something to that effect, on the video settings page.
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Im lost....Turn it off or on for better FR....
Leave Vsync on. in your case it is NOT going to matter. Leaving it on locks the frames to your monitors refresh rate. Your monitors refresh rate is most likely 60. Seeing as your computer will only run the game at 20 it will never see 60. On the other hand if you had a very strong video card it can run upwards of 200 frames, however when you let them run out like that it causes video tearing and other problems.
So turn Vsync off as a test just to see how fast your video card can run, but in the game, turn it on so it locks to your monitors refresh rate.
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30 FPS near the water (water effect on - 1024 textures - terrain and bump terrain on) and 40-50-60 FPS in the air with no massive furball and town attack where it can drops under 30 FPS.
:salute
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Im lost....Turn it off or on for better FR....
Fugi's right. Didn't see your FR was below 60. If you never reach Vsync's maximum FR, it will do nothing for you.
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I was under the impression the human eye can only see 30 fps.
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If you turn off vsync, the card will create as many frames as it can, and the framerate counter ingame will display what the card is doing, but it makes no difference to what actually is seen by the user on the monitor because the monitor cannot go faster than 60fps or whatever its refresh rate happens to be.
This isn't exactly true. It does make a difference to what the user sees and it's not good. As the graphics card out-paces the monitors ability to display frames the monitor simply grabs whatever the next frame is coming from the graphics card to display. Interim frames from it's last display to this display are discarded. This causes an effect called screen tearing which manifests itself as a horizontal jagged display and may also produce a stuttering effect.
Disabling vsync not only doesn't help, but may hurt your performance if your card is capable of a frame rate greater than your monitors refresh rate. Disabling vsync if your card is not capable of maintaining your monitors refresh rate makes no difference.
BTW, 60 fps steady everything turned up no shadows.
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All graphics off I get 25 to 40 on 15fr to screen freeze.
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Everything turned on to max rate and range and i get 59/60 solid.
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Leave Vsync on. in your case it is NOT going to matter. Leaving it on locks the frames to your monitors refresh rate. Your monitors refresh rate is most likely 60. Seeing as your computer will only run the game at 20 it will never see 60. On the other hand if you had a very strong video card it can run upwards of 200 frames, however when you let them run out like that it causes video tearing and other problems.
So turn Vsync off as a test just to see how fast your video card can run, but in the game, turn it on so it locks to your monitors refresh rate.
Turn my on and do not see the difference.
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Turn my on and do not see the difference.
Thats because 18-20 is waaaay below 60. In your case it does nothing because your video card isn't good enough to exceed you monitor's refresh rate anyway. On the other hand having it on doesn't hurt anything either.
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I had some benefits with these:
http://www.iobit.com/advancedsystemcareper.html
http://www.iobit.com/gamebooster.html
:salute
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Very bad ie a lot of planes over a town between 6-9 on average its around 19-26
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This isn't exactly true. It does make a difference to what the user sees and it's not good. As the graphics card out-paces the monitors ability to display frames the monitor simply grabs whatever the next frame is coming from the graphics card to display. Interim frames from it's last display to this display are discarded. This causes an effect called screen tearing which manifests itself as a horizontal jagged display and may also produce a stuttering effect.
Disabling vsync not only doesn't help, but may hurt your performance if your card is capable of a frame rate greater than your monitors refresh rate. Disabling vsync if your card is not capable of maintaining your monitors refresh rate makes no difference.
BTW, 60 fps steady everything turned up no shadows.
Yeah, I was aware secondhand of the stuttering and tearing stuff, I've just never been in position to see it and also wasn't sure if it applied to LCD's. I assume it does?
Wiley.
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I was under the impression the human eye can only see 30 fps.
Probably even less than that. Modern movies run at 24 FPS and the human eyes and brain don't see the individual frames. The caveat to this is when you put a completely different slide or frame in (such as subliminal advertising). at the 24 FPS speed, you can tell that their is an odd slide in their and you may be able to recognize it at that speed. You would need to approach 100 FPS to not notice it was their (depending on the colors and the brightness). For something such as a video game or a movie, at 24-30 FPS, you should not notice any stuttering and the picture should be fluid.
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Probably even less than that. Modern movies run at 24 FPS and the human eyes and brain don't see the individual frames. The caveat to this is when you put a completely different slide or frame in (such as subliminal advertising). at the 24 FPS speed, you can tell that their is an odd slide in their and you may be able to recognize it at that speed. You would need to approach 100 FPS to not notice it was their (depending on the colors and the brightness). For something such as a video game or a movie, at 24-30 FPS, you should not notice any stuttering and the picture should be fluid.
Modern movies and television have motion blurring built in to make the movement on screen appear fluid. Our beloved video game does no have this feature, and will appear jerky up to about 50fps. With my system usually getting 60fps solid, I can DEFINITELY notice the difference when it drops to 40, even.
Human eye=72fps, though a simple google search will give you answers ranging from 15 (and we can all agree that that figure is ludicrous) to 120.
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How many processes you have running in the background will affect frame rates also. Turn as many off as you can before playing.
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Yeah, I was aware secondhand of the stuttering and tearing stuff, I've just never been in position to see it and also wasn't sure if it applied to LCD's. I assume it does?
Wiley.
I had two Nvidia 8800 GTS's SLI'd in my machine once for about a week. At the time I couldn't enable vsync in SLI mode (I think they may have fixed that now). I was getting 280-300 fps in game but the screen tearing was so bad I took the second card out and returned it.
I mispoke slightly in my earlier post. When you get screen tearing the video card overwites the display buffer with the new frame bfore the screen has finished it's full refresh. As a result you get multiple frames drawn on the screen in a single pass. Here's a mild case of what it looks like. Mine was much much worse:
(http://www.overclock.net/attachments/graphics-cards-general/106180d1240223886-screen-tearing-overclocked-cpu-ggdsg_19.jpg)
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What do you mean by "unlocked" ?
If you disable v-syncing, your frame rate will not be locked to the v-sync, your monitor's refresh rate, which is usually around 60 Hz.
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Thats because 18-20 is waaaay below 60. In your case it does nothing because your video card isn't good enough to exceed you monitor's refresh rate anyway. On the other hand having it on doesn't hurt anything either.
I just have a stander Dell video card. Skuzzy made a remark that is amaze that i can even play the game.
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Thanks, BaldEagl. Appreciate the info. Last I'd heard, SLI still doesn't do vsync.
The motion blur on tv vs games makes a lot of sense to me. With my computer, I can tell if my drivers have leaked memory enough to require a reboot when the framerate in AH drops below around 45. My eye can detect that choppiness. 50-60, it looks the same to me.
Wiley.
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So, you will see more other people warping? Anyway Mine was 72-99 without the clip board up all evening. Thank you pingplotter.com :airplane:
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Interesting. I wondered why my new card (gts 450) stayed pegged at 60fps. This game doesn't even make the cooling fan come on. Ive seen it dip down to 58fps in a furball loaded with field ack. lol.....
I find that interesting too...my new GTX 460 drops as low as 42 in furballs/smoke/lots of aircraft....1 gig, DDR5. I wish I wouldn't have bought it really.
Changeup
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I find that interesting too...my new GTX 460 drops as low as 42 in furballs/smoke/lots of aircraft....1 gig, DDR5. I wish I wouldn't have bought it really.
Changeup
Possible the video card's not the bottleneck on your system?
Wiley.
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Possible the video card's not the bottleneck on your system?
Wiley.
Nvidia said that the 400 series wouldnt cause a bottleneck on this motherboard (NvIdia 680i SL) with a 700W PS. I am not sure but I think that the primary PCI slot may not be a 12 volt rail (I have no idea what that means...I just retyped what a guy in our IT group told me) or its not getting all the power it needs from it.
But, how would one test that theory? My GTS 250 1 gig, DDR3 was doing fine...truthfully? Better than this 460.
Changeup
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But, how would one test that theory? My GTS 250 1 gig, DDR3 was doing fine...truthfully? Better than this 460.
Changeup
Perhaps different clock speeds? The GTS 250 was overclocked to a faster speed than what your 460 is currently set to?
If not, then perhaps different settings such as anti-aliasing, etc? Maybe they're set much higher with the 460 than you had them with the 250?
mir
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Nvidia said that the 400 series wouldnt cause a bottleneck on this motherboard (NvIdia 680i SL) with a 700W PS. I am not sure but I think that the primary PCI slot may not be a 12 volt rail (I have no idea what that means...I just retyped what a guy in our IT group told me) or its not getting all the power it needs from it.
But, how would one test that theory? My GTS 250 1 gig, DDR3 was doing fine...truthfully? Better than this 460.
Changeup
Somebody else could maybe speak more to the specifics of that motherboard/PS/card combination, it could very well be your video card is starved for power, but here's basically what I mean...
The easiest way to think of PC speed to me is like a chain. It's only as fast as its slowest link. CPU speed, amount of RAM, frontside bus speed, and video card are your main speed contributors. It's quite rare when it comes to gaming that your video card is not the thing working hardest in your system, but it does happen occasionally, and games that are using established game engines like AH tend to be one of those niches. AH is also apparently fairly reliant on CPU.
What I was basically saying was, assuming the rest of your system stayed the same, and the video card was the only thing that you upgraded, it somewhat indicates your video card might not be the slow link in the chain.
There's a lot of factors that contribute to speed, and the issue you're describing there sounds like it is probably going to be a decent sized pain in the backside to troubleshoot.
Before changing stuff, I'd sit down and consider whether 42fps in a big crowd is that bothersome to you or not. Does it affect your gameplay, or do you just notice the number drop? Either answer is fine, I'm just saying sometimes attempting to improve speed can make it worse. Consider if it's worth the risk.
The other thing to consider, if you have shadows on but don't really care if they are on or not, maybe try turning them off. They make a huge impact on frame rate, and if you don't mind having them off, that might be a quick solution too. It's up to you.
The absolute first thing I'd suggest is defrag your hard drive. It could be your system taking just a bit longer to access files while you're playing causing the frame rate dips. I've seen that happen in a lot of places, and it's the simplest fix to do. I'd defrag, then try playing for a while, see if it improves.
If there's no improvement, then you move on to other things.
The next thing I'd nail down is whether your video card is getting enough power. It's not an issue I've ever had, not quite sure how to troubleshoot it, I'd talk to your IT guru about it if possible.
If that's apparently ok, then I'd move on to some other things.
No offense intended if you're already aware of such things, but generally speaking the place to start is you'd want to make sure your drivers for everything are up to date unless HTC has a preferred set of drivers for that card that is downversion (haven't seen anything like that in a while now though).
Now by drivers for everything, I mean your motherboard chipset drivers, BIOS, sound, and video drivers. Quite often, motherboard drivers need tweaks as video card technology advances, or bugs are found, or whatever. People always talk about video and sound, but the BIOS and chipset drivers are also very important. Your motherboard manufacturer's website is where you'd go for those.
Understand also, these comments are just straight off the top of my head. Troubleshooting gaming performance is a pretty involved process, and the worst part is, sometimes it's a gamble whether the new versions of drivers will speed you up or slow you down, or introduce other issues sometimes. But, generally speaking newer is better.
That's where I'd start if I decided it was worth making the changes.
No warranty implied, yadda yadda yadda. ;)
Also check into the stuff mir mentioned. If your new card supports a higher mode of anti-aliasing or ansiotropic filtering and they're enabled by default, that could cause it.
Wiley.
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Nvidia said that the 400 series wouldnt cause a bottleneck on this motherboard (NvIdia 680i SL) with a 700W PS. I am not sure but I think that the primary PCI slot may not be a 12 volt rail (I have no idea what that means...I just retyped what a guy in our IT group told me) or its not getting all the power it needs from it.
But, how would one test that theory? My GTS 250 1 gig, DDR3 was doing fine...truthfully? Better than this 460.
Changeup
How many 12 volt rails does your PS have? I have a 650w PS with a single 12 rail capable of of I think 52 amps. If your card can't draw the amps it needs from the 12 volt rail the PS is useless to it.
Looks like most of the 460 cards require 42 amps on the 12 volt rail.
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How many 12 volt rails does your PS have? I have a 650w PS with a single 12 rail capable of of I think 52 amps. If your card can't draw the amps it needs from the 12 volt rail the PS is useless to it.
Looks like most of the 460 cards require 42 amps on the 12 volt rail.
The most a 650 watt power supply at 120volts can draw is 5.4 amps.
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Then why in the world would you spec your cards to require 22-50 amps? Can somebody explain?
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The most a 650 watt power supply at 120volts can draw is 5.4 amps.
The question is how many amps it puts out on the 12v rail/s. You can have a 650w power supply that has one 12v rail that will supply 50amps. Remember that you are converting AC to DC
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The most a 650 watt power supply at 120volts can draw is 5.4 amps.
I think you mean 54 amps. 650 Watts/12 Volts = 54 amps. And it's not what it draws, it's what it supplies. Of course that assumes 100% efficiency which isn't possible. An 650W 80+ certified power supply could provide 43 amps on the +12V rail(s).
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You Pass!!! :aok
I think you mean 54 amps. Watts/12Volts = 54 amps. And it's not what it draws, it's what it supplies. Of course that assumes 100% efficiency which isn't possible. An 650W 80+ certified power supply could provide 43 amps on the +12V rail(s).
If you don't mind me saying so, quite articulate in the response. Even certified electricians would leave out the "not possible" part and only go with the math!!! :cheers:
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Thanks for explaining it. The 650w PS I am using is 80+ certified so it should be able to handle a 460 cards 42 amp requirements though it would be hard on it. I could probably stand to learn more about the inner workings of the PSU and how it makes that kind of power with only 120v input.
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My Dell Pentium Dual Core 3GB ram E2200 was very slow, then I found that Dell had configured this machine to use the dual processors separately. It was originally a 32 bit system. When I loaded the Windows 7 64 bit, all my problems disappeared. I can't for the life of me figure why they would want to run the CPU's separately...? :D
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when i get back i dont wanna hear any yap about my frame rate, when i play it is a steady 63-69 fps. :cheers:
<S> greens
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How many 12 volt rails does your PS have? I have a 650w PS with a single 12 rail capable of of I think 52 amps. If your card can't draw the amps it needs from the 12 volt rail the PS is useless to it.
Looks like most of the 460 cards require 42 amps on the 12 volt rail.
Its a 700W PS but that doesn't mean much. I have to look at the ratings label to see how that 700 is spread out. Because of where the power is divided, it may not be sending enough to the card. I will look this weekend.
I have anistropic and antialiasing controlled by the application....I don't think thats its unless its supposed to just be OFF.
OK - went and checked. I have no idea what this means:
Max combined load on +12V is 50A, 3V and 5V Not exceed 140W, Max Continuous Output 700W
+12V1/16A, +12V2/16A
+12V3/18A, +12V4/18A
+3.3V/24A, +5V/24A
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OK - went and checked. I have no idea what this means:
Max combined load on +12V is 50A, 3V and 5V Not exceed 140W, Max Continuous Output 700W
+12V1/16A, +12V2/16A
+12V3/18A, +12V4/18A
+3.3V/24A, +5V/24A
Your PSU manufacturer is claiming a total of 68 amps on 700 watts; an impossibility. The most you could get is 58 amps but again only at 100% efficiency, another impossibility. They likely rated the amp load under peak power output which may last for only a few seconds but it looks good if your trying to get a "high power" supply cheap. In reality you're usually just getting a "cheap" PSU.
This leads me to believe you have a less than reputable PSU in your system and at that point there's no telling what kind of power your actually getting to your video card or how clean or stable that power might be.
I'm guessing your old video card needed less power than the new one. Since that's the only thing that's changed in your system it's highly likely the flaws in your PSU are now showing themselves. Continued underpowering of your video card will eventually burn out the PSU, the card or even the motherboard.
I'd highly recommend sticking with reputable PSU manufacturer's like Corsair or Seasonic who don't over rate their PSU's and are known for producing clean, stable power. Yes, they cost more but you get what you pay for and your power supply is probably the single most important component in your computer.
BTW, you have 4 +12V rails. There's been a lot of debate over what's better; single or multiple rails but I prefer a single rail PSU. At least you know how it's wired and that the power you need will be there when you need it. I use a 80+ certified (rated 83%) single rail PC Power and Cooling 750W (825W peak output) Silencer providing up to 60 amps (87% efficiency @ peak output).
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Eagle,
Thank you for helping me...on last question...please tell me which PS to go buy. I will do it today. I have a 680i LT SLI MB nVidia
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i get a steady 70 frames all the time. :banana:
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Happy to say a steady 59-60 FPS even in the thick of it. :x
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Corsair builds a decent single rail 750w. TX750 is the name I think. That should be good for you Changeup. It will have the connectors you need for that card and board.
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I think you mean 54 amps. 650 Watts/12 Volts = 54 amps. And it's not what it draws, it's what it supplies. Of course that assumes 100% efficiency which isn't possible. An 650W 80+ certified power supply could provide 43 amps on the +12V rail(s).
It draws at least 5.4 amps of 120v ac. It has to.
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I love my 850w theraltake ps
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Corsair builds a decent single rail 750w. TX750 is the name I think. That should be good for you Changeup. It will have the connectors you need for that card and board.
Will single rail run all four of my +12's?
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On the corsair site you can tell them what is in your machine and then it will tell you which is the best fit. It all depends on how many 12 volt items are drawing from the PS.
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On the corsair site you can tell them what is in your machine and then it will tell you which is the best fit. It all depends on how many 12 volt items are drawing from the PS.
what is the website because I have dual 470s and I wonder if they are getting enough power to them. My fran rate for a triple monitor is 70 to 78
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since I designed my own computer I do not have any frame rate issues. I run at 75 fps with no drops even during massive mission take-offs.
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Ok...here we go. Antec 750W 80+ installed and getting ready to give it a run...let you know later. Thanks BE
Changeup
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http://www.corsair.com/learn_n_explore/
Just click on the power supply tab.
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weird cannot find my dell rig on their memory thing :furious
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Frame rates dropped some but not like before. Went into the Nvidia control panel and noticed the clock speeds were different than advertised (I was supposed to have the super clocked EVGA model) I changed the clock speeds but wont know until tomorrow when I get in a mess in the MA.
Thanks for all the help BE!
Changeup :salute
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Update:
EVGA Tech support said the Core 2 Duo Q6600 that I have is being bottlenecked by the GTX 460 and there is really nothing I can do about it :bhead. The chip has a FSB of 1066mhz and that aint enough. Sooooo, I just got 235.00 richer for the return and will re-install the GTS 250, 1 gig video card that I should never have replaced.
The Changeup Family always does stuff the hard way...that is all...dismissed.
Changeup
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So they are trying to say that you should be using one of the i family to run with it? I should get one to test on my x58 based system. My GTS250 runs a solid 59-60FPS with everything maxed.
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5 to 10 in furballs and Gvs. Its like a slow motion film happening before my very eyes.
10 to 20 on a good day
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So they are trying to say that you should be using one of the i family to run with it? I should get one to test on my x58 based system. My GTS250 runs a solid 59-60FPS with everything maxed.
Yep...that's what they're saying
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Update:
EVGA Tech support said the Core 2 Duo Q6600 that I have is being bottlenecked by the GTX 460 and there is really nothing I can do about it :bhead. The chip has a FSB of 1066mhz and that aint enough. Sooooo, I just got 235.00 richer for the return and will re-install the GTS 250, 1 gig video card that I should never have replaced.
The Changeup Family always does stuff the hard way...that is all...dismissed.
Changeup
In an eariler post the mobo was a 680i board. The 1066Mhz FSB of the Q6600 is stock which would put the mem bandwidth (speed) at 533Mhz, right? Could this be the issue w/ a Fermi? On other BBS's users that were using the Q6600 w/ a Fermi vid card had the chip/mem OC'd (FSB clocked at 1333 or higher w/ subsequent OC of mem) & some of them were using the 680i mobo most likely w/ a BIOS update (this part is assumption, not fact).
I am currently running a GTX 470 SC on a 780i FTW mobo (std FSB is 1333) using a C2D E8600 CPU (std FSB is 1333) w/ 4Gb PC8500 DDR2 mem (std speed 1066 Mhz) w/o any issues. My FR stays between 55-60 FPS. I do have my E8600 OC'd (FSB up to 1600 from 1333 w/ multi at 10x =4.0 GHz ) but all else at stock settings/voltages/timings. The 470 runs at 57%-68% GPU usage approx 98% of the time while in-game w/ all graphics on maxed but shadows set at 4096 for preference (have run w/ 8192 shadows but scenes are darkened from it). IMHO if the Q6600 would have been OC'd (FSB at 1333 or higher w/ mem also clocked up to 800 or higher) the 460 would have behaved better notwithstanding the PCI-E 1.0 spec lanes.
This info don't mean nothing now since you've refunded the 460 Changeup but may help some other user that has a 680i mobo & is thinking about getting a Fermi vid card to run on it.
Just making an observation.
:salute
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My monitor can handle three refresh option: 60 Hz, 70 Hz and 75 Hz.
Which could be the best?
:salute
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In an eariler post the mobo was a 680i board. The 1066Mhz FSB of the Q6600 is stock which would put the mem bandwidth (speed) at 533Mhz, right? Could this be the issue w/ a Fermi? On other BBS's users that were using the Q6600 w/ a Fermi vid card had the chip/mem OC'd (FSB clocked at 1333 or higher w/ subsequent OC of mem) & some of them were using the 680i mobo most likely w/ a BIOS update (this part is assumption, not fact).
I am currently running a GTX 470 SC on a 780i FTW mobo (std FSB is 1333) using a C2D E8600 CPU (std FSB is 1333) w/ 4Gb PC8500 DDR2 mem (std speed 1066 Mhz) w/o any issues. My FR stays between 55-60 FPS. I do have my E8600 OC'd (FSB up to 1600 from 1333 w/ multi at 10x =4.0 GHz ) but all else at stock settings/voltages/timings. The 470 runs at 57%-68% GPU usage approx 98% of the time while in-game w/ all graphics on maxed but shadows set at 4096 for preference (have run w/ 8192 shadows but scenes are darkened from it). IMHO if the Q6600 would have been OC'd (FSB at 1333 or higher w/ mem also clocked up to 800 or higher) the 460 would have behaved better notwithstanding the PCI-E 1.0 spec lanes.
This info don't mean nothing now since you've refunded the 460 Changeup but may help some other user that has a 680i mobo & is thinking about getting a Fermi vid card to run on it.
Just making an observation.
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I havent returned it yet if you have any suggestions on getting the FSB OC'd
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FSB Clock is 267 Mhz on the CPU (Freq is 2403 Mhz) and the Multiplier is 9X,PCI clocks are 2500Mhz,Memory is 801 mhz, and the 250 I put back in is:
Core 738
Mem clock 1000
Shader 1836
DDR3 and 1 gig
I updated the BIOs when I got the 460 and no more are available.
Thanks for your help
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A 20-25% OC should be pretty easy for you to achieve with any Intel chip and a jump from 1066 to 1333 is exactly 25% however, you may need to go to an aftermarket cooling solution to do so. The stock Intel heatsink/fan just doesn't cut it above stock speeds. Your video card memory speeds are irrelevant and at 1333 you're not going to use more than 667 mhz of RAM speed regardless how fast your RAM is and you may only be using 333 mhz (I'm not sure if those quad cores are double pumped or not... the Core2duos and Wolfdales are).
I've got an E6750 (2.66 Ghz) OC'd to 3.2 Ghz (1600 fsb) in a 780i w/4 Gb DDR2 800 and an eVGA 512 Mb 8800 GTS and run all sliders maxed, high res textures, no shadows at 60fps pushing a 22" 1680x1050 LG LCD steady in all situations in game. The 780i is a dream to OC with. Not sure about the 680i. I use a $35 Arctic Freezer 7 Pro to cool my CPU.
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Processor 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
Codename Kentsfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.F.B
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping G0
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 1600.7 MHz
Multiplier x FSB 6.0 x 266.8 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1067.1 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T, VT-x
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 9.0x
Max VID 1.225 V
Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI SPP rev. A2
Southbridge NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI MCP rev. A3
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 3072 MBytes
Channels Dual
Memory Frequency 400.2 MHz (2:3)
CAS# latency (CL) 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 23
Command Rate (CR) 2T
Alright men....lets try to OC this machine!!! WHOOOOOOOT! IN
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Alright men....lets try to OC this machine!!! WHOOOOOOOT! IN
Why even bother?
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Why even bother?
Lets see....only lazy people say things like, "why even bother?"...to learn :salute
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Lets see....only lazy people say things like, "why even bother?"...to learn :salute
Sorry, didn't know I was lazy, but thanks for the catagorization. I guess I should have said something like "will you notice any change in performance?"
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My monitor can handle three refresh option: 60 Hz, 70 Hz and 75 Hz.
Which could be the best?
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It will be up to your vid card. HZ=max fps/vsync on..... I would use 75 Hz
I have an old compaq monitor that can run 85 Hz my video card runs it at 85fps in the sky crusin and around 65-75fps with lots of action.
In any event you will only get the max number of frames per second as your monitor suports HZ assuming your video card can keep up.
:cheers:
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Sorry, didn't know I was lazy, but thanks for the catagorization. I guess I should have said something like "will you notice any change in performance?"
Because I'd like to get to run all the eye candy if possible. I have promised my son (9yr old) that we will build a computer this summer so I suppose it won't be an issue after that but learning to OC sounds like a cool thing to know how to do...especially if you can get a year or so out of your old one from a performance perspective...or if OCing allows you to use some peripherals that might normally be just a little out of reach for the standard settings on a rig.
Changeup :salute
PS - All this talk of processors and FSB's is making me wonder if those two things are 2/3's of the FR equation instead of just small parts.
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Have you guys read the ACES HIGH GRAPHICS GUIDE?
It goes through all of the settings and explains frame rates, v-sync, AA and a whole lot of other stuff.. you might learn something!
CLICK HERE FOR THE GUIDE (http://www.lca.ympsa.com/ahgfxguide.pdf)