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Title: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Belial on January 16, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
I think we are overdue for bushes to be made more realistic..as it is now a bush can flip a 30 ton tank.

Would it be hard to make them realistic?...

Also would it be possible to make tree TRunKs indestructible but make the leaves able to be fired through?

The ground game is fun for alot of people and I think this small change would make it even better without much work.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: LLogann on January 16, 2011, 10:30:42 PM
YES PLEASE!!!
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: fbWldcat on January 16, 2011, 10:34:36 PM
First day the Panthers came out, I was driving and aiming at the same time. I shot and then hit a bush and the next thing I know, I'm upside-down. Needless to say, people didn't want to drive supps out. Lost 25+ perks.  :cry

I would like this. +1
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: AceHavok on January 16, 2011, 11:43:36 PM
Hate flipping tigers on bushes. +1  :aok
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Tyrannis on January 16, 2011, 11:47:32 PM
flipping your tank is mother natures way of getting back at you for polluting her ozone layer with your tanks filthy exhaust fumes  :noid
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: fbWldcat on January 16, 2011, 11:49:05 PM
This is the 1940s, pollution doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Tyrannis on January 16, 2011, 11:51:53 PM
This is the 1940s, pollution doesn't exist.
oh, well then its mother natures revenge for all of your missed tank rounds she has to pull out of her backside.(the ground)
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Belial on January 17, 2011, 06:56:30 AM
I don't miss^
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: waystin2 on January 17, 2011, 11:24:27 AM
I understand why this occurs. So if it cannot be completely fixed, then how about a compromise of stopping dead still instead of the spiral gyral spin and flip of a heavy armored vehicle when contacting a bush.  +1 Gazillion to some sort of fix. :aok
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: LLogann on January 17, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
It's true, he doesn't.   :(

I don't miss^
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: JOACH1M on January 17, 2011, 11:38:45 AM
+2
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: grizz441 on January 17, 2011, 12:33:07 PM
The ground game is fun for alot of people and I think this small change would make it even better without much work.

 :noid

Idk about that, it would probably be a pain in the butt.
+1 Regardless.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Bruv119 on January 17, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
kind of cheesy when town acks are firing through 3 different hedges pinging the crap out of you and when you return fire your big HE round doesn't pass through  :( 

Would be nice to just drive through the hedge +1
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 17, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
Any real-life tankers out there?

Is it standard practice to drive through trees?

Fire rounds through trees?

I get the "shoot the tree until it's gone" scenario, but either way rounds are hitting the tree.


wrongway
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: fbWldcat on January 17, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
Is it standard for a boxwood to stop a machine weighing a few tons?
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: LLogann on January 17, 2011, 02:40:14 PM
But we have binary wood I think................  :eek:

Is it standard for a boxwood to stop a machine weighing a few tons?
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: shermanjr on January 17, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
or to be firing a wilberwind up at attackin planes and turret urself as u move under a tree
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: waystin2 on January 17, 2011, 03:45:03 PM
or to be firing a wilberwind up at attackin planes and turret urself as u move under a tree

Honestly Sir, I would think this is somewhat realistic.  Where do you think all that shrapnel is gonna go that is exploding right over your head?  I assure you it would cause the gun crew more than just cuts and bruises.

 :salute

Way
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: redcatcherb412 on January 17, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
Any real-life tankers out there?

Is it standard practice to drive through trees?

Fire rounds through trees?

I get the "shoot the tree until it's gone" scenario, but either way rounds are hitting the tree.


wrongway

Not a Tanker, was just a line grunt, but have seen m113 apc's used to clear LZ's for resup or dustoff by knocking down trees.  No cannons on them , but they use the .50's to knock a bigger tree pretty well (I always found a few ft of det-cord wrapped around it to work too). And, m113's were pretty light so I would think a Panther or t34 could just bulldoze a pretty sizable tree over.  Now these were jungle trees, not a honking big oak or elm. Don't know how that would play out.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: BulletVI on January 17, 2011, 04:35:42 PM

+10 on this Idea im adding can we drive through buildings aswell like you fire a shell into the wall to weaken it and just drive through it :) And to be able to run over planes, light veichiles and ackack guns without a hitch :)
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: phatzo on January 17, 2011, 08:15:22 PM
I dont GV much at all but I got in a tank last night drove for a bit and stopped dead when I ran into a hedge, while dealing with the hedge a sherman started shooting me and I'm dead before I get guns to bear. I just felt the whole episode was silly and will continue to stay out of GVs.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: mipoikel on January 17, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
+ 1111
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Tyrannis on January 17, 2011, 11:47:54 PM
+10 on this Idea im adding can we drive through buildings aswell like you fire a shell into the wall to weaken it and just drive through it :) And to be able to run over planes, light veichiles and ackack guns without a hitch :)
what happens in-game if an enemy tank goes rolling onto an runway and plows through a plane? does the plane pretty much blow up? is any damage dont to the tank? or what?
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Dr_Death8 on January 18, 2011, 09:32:47 AM
Drove M113 and a M1 or two while in the Army and although the practice of running over trees and such was not commonplace, yes it can and is done. When I was stationed in Berlin, they had a competition between the US, British, and French tanks to see which could handle the combat engineers obstacles. You would be surprised what the M1 can do.  :O:salute
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: spitfreak01 on January 18, 2011, 11:04:31 AM
Make the trees destructible  ;)
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: GreenEagle43 on January 18, 2011, 12:51:06 PM
this thread has been mentioned before. i no because i posted it.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,301548.0.html
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: BiPoLaR on January 19, 2011, 03:17:01 AM
+1
 :aok
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: dirtdart on January 19, 2011, 07:47:20 AM
I am getting pretty sick of getting shot up by guns firing through bushes and buildings.  It is crap. Especially in some of the terrains which are heavily forrested where you must get close to even see the gun.  Please fix.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: MachFly on January 20, 2011, 01:40:27 AM
+1
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Yossarian on January 20, 2011, 07:24:01 AM
I'd personally prefer that the ground physics get redone.  Then indestructible bushes wouldn't be so much of a problem.

But since that seems unlikely to happen, +1 for better bushes.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: AWwrgwy on January 20, 2011, 02:07:15 PM
I am getting pretty sick of getting shot up by guns firing through bushes and buildings.  It is crap. Especially in some of the terrains which are heavily forrested where you must get close to even see the gun.  Please fix.

Player vs player, it's all about line of sight.  If they can see you, and get the rounds to fly LOS, they can hit you.

I fired at a brown splotch in the middle of some trees one night and killed a T-34/85.

Even without LOS, hits are possible.  You can fire over an obstacle, at tracers coming at you or a visible pintle gun for instance, and arc the shells in on the unseen target.


wrongway
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: Dr_Death8 on January 21, 2011, 11:51:43 AM
I agree, I have spent 5-6 rounds just trying to find the right trajectory just to get a round past a tree or branches to get a hit.

I would speculate that the same hardware or software issue which makes it look like some individuals are taking off over water to the right of the CV may come into play. Sort of like on your screen they are behind a hill or trees, yet on their screen, they are in an open field...  :salute
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: DCCBOSS on January 22, 2011, 10:42:10 AM
I would have to be +1 on this issue, we should be able to drive over bushes and a least shoot a tree to clear it.
Title: Re: Bushes that aren't Indestructable
Post by: BigKev03 on January 22, 2011, 11:14:29 AM
Any real-life tankers out there?

Is it standard practice to drive through trees?

Fire rounds through trees?

I get the "shoot the tree until it's gone" scenario, but either way rounds are hitting the tree.


wrongway

I was an engineer equipment operator while I was in the Marine Corps.  We used to clear LZ's and just about anything we wanted to using our dozers.  Now I know that is a bulldozer but an M60 or an M1 has enough torque to push over tress just as well.  Heck even an Amtrac can push trees down.  We also use to use the old 105mm howitzers to clear an area with what was a round similar to buckshot.  It would leverl trees and bushes low anough to bring in helos.  Not what you want to do if you have other assets to do the job but it can be done.  In addition, if an HE round hits a tree you can pretty much say the tree is gone.  It will be blown down at the point of impact.  An AP round may blow the tree down or keep on trucking but it may lose a lot of its kinetic energy.  Now as far as branches and leaves stopping an AP round. No way.  The round will go through.  Given though the longer the range at which the round hits the bush it will decrease penetration.  I know this is a game but I do get frustrated when a tiny bush flips a tank when in real life you would roll right over the bush.  Same as the poor little sheep we use to have.  I just dont know how it can be modeled to give us a balance?

BigKev

Bigkev