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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tyrannis on January 17, 2011, 09:42:27 PM
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just a fun competition of opinions. :salute
which country do you think had the best out of these catagories?
1.best fighter?
2. best bomber?
3.best airforce.
4.best battleship?
5.best navy?
6.best pilot? (single person)
7.best pilots? (as a whole)
8.best training?
9.best divebomber?
10.best attack aircraft?.
11. best bomb?(type of bomb examples being britains grand slammer, americas A-bomb).
and finally
12.best radar?
13.best squadren
14.best squadren colors
15most kills overall.
all answers and opinions are welcome :salute
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Germany Strieght accross the board, with the exception of battleships, although Tirpiz and Bismark VS Yamato and Musashi would be epic
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Poland :old:
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:rofl
Poland :old:
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Poland :old:
no in the list :noid
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:old: they are to
The Polish Air Force's Contribution
In July 1940, Hitler ordered his forces to invade Britain. As a prelude to the cross-Channel invasion, the German Air Force (the Luftwaffe) was to overpower Britain's air defenses. In the ensuing Air War between the German and Allied Air Forces, which lasted through the end of October 1940 and resulted in the defeat of the Luftwaffe, 1 in 8 of allied pilots was Polish, and the highest scoring squadron within the whole of Allied air forces was the Polish Air Force 303 (Kosciuszko) Squadron which accounted for 125 enemy planes. The highest scoring allied fighter pilot was also a member of that squadron. All told, the Polish pilots were responsible for 201 of the Luftwaffe's 1100 planes lost. It is said that the Battle of Britain was won by a narrow margin, and the contribution of the already combat experienced Polish pilots was decisive.
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All 3 came second.
Delorean was probably a good car.
Amiga may have been a good computer.
All consigned to the "also rans".
Who is the prettiest ugly girl? Same logic.
Allied bombers, fighters, ships, technology and men overwhelmed and won - end of story. The term best usually implies that something cannot be bettered - what you're saying is "pick the least loser".
i don't mean to be negative, but there it is. History is about winners, because they write it.
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1.best fighter? Germans. 262. duh.
2. best bomber? Germans. Ar234. duh
3.best airforce. Germans. Luftwaffe
4.best battleship? Japan. Yamato beats Bismarck any day of the week.
5.best navy? Japan. Duh.
6.best pilot? Tough call, but I'm gonna give it to Nishizawa of Japan, because he flew inferior aircraft and still got 100+kills.
7.best pilots? At their best, Germany and Japan are pretty equal, even though the Japanese pilots quality fell off pretty rapidly. I'm calling it a tie.
8.best training? Germany.
9.best divebomber? Japan. Judy beats the Stuka and I don't think Germany had any others to match.
10.best attack aircraft? Not familiar with these models, but most Japanese bombers were crap, so, Germany.
11. best bomb?(type of bomb examples being britains grand slammer, americas A-bomb). Only thing I know that was awesome in this category was the Long Lance Torpedo, if that counts, so Japan.
and finally
12.best radar? Germany. Japanese radar was crap.
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you have to look at german U boat Success compaired to the ammount of ships Japan Sunk
and yamato had lots of guns but inferior ammunition
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:old: they are to
The Polish Air Force's Contribution
In July 1940, Hitler ordered his forces to invade Britain. As a prelude to the cross-Channel invasion, the German Air Force (the Luftwaffe) was to overpower Britain's air defenses. In the ensuing Air War between the German and Allied Air Forces, which lasted through the end of October 1940 and resulted in the defeat of the Luftwaffe, 1 in 8 of allied pilots was Polish, and the highest scoring squadron within the whole of Allied air forces was the Polish Air Force 303 (Kosciuszko) Squadron which accounted for 125 enemy planes. The highest scoring allied fighter pilot was also a member of that squadron. All told, the Polish pilots were responsible for 201 of the Luftwaffe's 1100 planes lost. It is said that the Battle of Britain was won by a narrow margin, and the contribution of the already combat experienced Polish pilots was decisive.
shhh. dont worry, if this thread got enough responces i was gonn create another country vs country with poland in it lol. save your facts until then. :salute
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Fighter-262/109/190
Bomber-234/he111
Dive-bomber-ju87/88
Airforce-Luftwaffe
Navy-Japanese by long shot
Pilot-Hans Joachim Marsielle/Eric Hartmann
Best pilots-there about dead even in my mind
Training-Hands down Luftwaffe
Best bomb-do torpedoes count? If so japanese
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Regarding the Navy....it's a question of how you define "best". As the war proved, U-boats were not enough to wrest control of the ocean from your adversaries. Although the U-boats were very successful commerce raiders, they never outright defeated the RN surface fleet. Japan had a very modern navy that was superior in quantity and quality. Both sides produced fine ships, but the Japanese had more of them, and superiority in the one category that truly mattered: aircraft carriers.
As far as Yamato vs. Bismarck...here's the tail of the tape:
Main Battery:
Yamato 9X18.1inch, range 4.2 km, Bismarck: 8x15inch range 3.6km. Advantage: Yamato
Armor belt: Yamato: 16inch, Bismarck: 13 inch. Advantage: Yamato
Speed: Yamato 27 knots, Bismarck 30 knots. Advantage Bismarck
One crucial aspect was fire control, since in general, whichever ship got the first hit would win the engagement. Neither ship had the accurate radar guided fire control. Based on operations it's hard to tell which ship was the better shot, but I would say Yamato would have the edge since her optics and radar were slightly better and accurate at longer ranges.
Fortunes of war aside, Bismarck really doesn't have much of a chance against Yamato, especially since her 15inch shells would do little against a 16 inch armor belt, while Yamato's shells would tear through the Bismarck like it was tin foil.
Yamato gets the first hit, devastating Bismarck with one shot. After that it's pretty much over.
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Yamato gets the first hit, devastating Bismarck with one shot. After that it's pretty much over.
.....until the US Divebombers come in and sink it.
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:cheers:
.....until the US Divebombers come in and sink it.
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either way, Naval things were not German Forte, so I guess I will change my answer to japan, but other then that germany for everthing else, Bombs, Hs-293 the closest thing the japanese got to this was the Ohka, so if torpedos count the Hs-293 should be considered aswell
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either way, Naval things were not German Forte, so I guess I will change my answer to japan, but other then that germany for everthing else, Bombs, Hs-293 the closest thing the japanese got to this was the Ohka, so if torpedos count the Hs-293 should be considered aswell
You're right, the amount of Tonnage sunk in the form of Transport Ships from the US, was minuscule. :lol
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8.best training? Germany.
Your other points were almost as funny but #8 brought out the most laughs. No offense to you, but your post along with some others here really show a very deep lack of knowledge when it comes to these sort of things.
ack-ack
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just a fun competition of opinions. :salute
which country do you think had the best out of these catagories?
1.best fighter? Regianne Re. 2005 and Fiat G.55 because these are the planes the germans and japanese wish it had to intercept american bombers
2. best bomber? Junkers medium bomber series and the very late war Mitsubish Ki-67
3.best airforce. luftwaffe (until late 1943)
4.best battleship? japanese navy
5.best navy? japanese navy
6.best pilot? (single person) Hans Rudel
7.best pilots? (as a whole) Luftwaffe until md-late 1943, Japanese Army in CBI Theater, Japanese Navy until late 1942
8.best training? not sure... but those with most experience and skilled aren't automatically sent home to train new people
9.best divebomber? D3A and D4Y
10.best attack aircraft?. Fw 190F
11. best bomb?(type of bomb examples being britains grand slammer, americas A-bomb). japanese navy for torpedoes, luftwaffe for remote-controled guided bombs
and finally
12.best radar? luftwaffe... seeing 1000-bomber-raid by US doesn't surprise them
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.....until the US Divebombers come in and sink it.
Well duh.
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1.best fighter? Germans. 262. duh.
2. best bomber? Germans. Ar234. duh
3.best airforce. Germans. Luftwaffe
4.best battleship? Japan. Yamato beats Bismarck any day of the week.
5.best navy? Japan. Duh.
6.best pilot? Tough call, but I'm gonna give it to Nishizawa of Japan, because he flew inferior aircraft and still got 100+kills.
7.best pilots? At their best, Germany and Japan are pretty equal, even though the Japanese pilots quality fell off pretty rapidly. I'm calling it a tie.
8.best training? Germany.
9.best divebomber? Japan. Judy beats the Stuka and I don't think Germany had any others to match.
10.best attack aircraft? Not familiar with these models, but most Japanese bombers were crap, so, Germany.
11. best bomb?(type of bomb examples being britains grand slammer, americas A-bomb). Only thing I know that was awesome in this category was the Long Lance Torpedo, if that counts, so Japan.
and finally
12.best radar? Germany. Japanese radar was crap.
Do you get out to READ very much? Just wondering... :bolt:
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Well duh.
You really should crack open a book once in a while.
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You really should crack open a book once in a while.
who needs books? we have the intardnet! :neener:
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also, i would like to add 2 new submissions.
13. best squadron.
14.best squadron colors.
:salute
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Germany Strieght accross the board, with the exception of battleships, although Tirpiz and Bismark VS Yamato and Musashi would be epic
Quesion, how could Germany have the best bomber over the U.S. B-29?
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Quesion, how could Germany have the best bomber over the U.S. B-29?
U.S isent in this thread matchup. this is strictly germany vs japan vs italy. the U.S will show up in a later thread.
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U.S isent in this thread matchup. this is strictly germany vs japan vs italy. the U.S will show up in a later thread.
Here's a better shovel.. I'll wait. :D
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.....until the US Divebombers come in and sink it.
:banana: :banana:
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you have to look at german U boat Success compaired to the ammount of ships Japan Sunk
and yamato had lots of guns but inferior ammunition
did you know that there was at least one u-boat sunk by a stinson?
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Ack-Ack
You gotta give Germany some credit for training.. 1939-1943.
After that I'd agree with you, it was pretty much poo.
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Fighter-262/109/190
Bomber-234/he111
Dive-bomber-ju87/88
Airforce-Luftwaffe
Navy-Japanese by long shot
Pilot-Hans Joachim Marsielle/Erich Hartmann/Walter Krupinski
Best pilots-there about dead even in my mind
Training-Hands down Luftwaffe
Best bomb-do torpedoes count? If so japanese
Can't forget the guy who set the spotlight for Hartmann. :neener:
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U.S isent in this thread matchup. this is strictly germany vs japan vs italy. the U.S will show up in a later thread.
:eek: :lol :aok :salute
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Ack-Ack
You gotta give Germany some credit for training.. 1939-1943.
After that I'd agree with you, it was pretty much poo.
At the beginning of the war, the most experienced and trained pilots were the pilots of the IJAF and the IJN. Their training was on par, if not exceeded that of the Luftwaffe and unlike the Luftwaffe, the majority of the Japanese pilots were already combat veterans compared to the handful of German pilots that gained experience during the Spanish Civil War. At the onset of hostilities, the Luftwaffe was just as inexperienced as the RAF.
The quality of Japanese pilots and training didn't decline until 1943. So to say that out of the Axis powers that Germany was the better trained and experience air force in incorrect and I suspect most picked Germany out of ignorance and bias.
ack-ack
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Agree completely
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Best fighter: Ta-152, hands down (yes, beats my beloved g-6)
Best bomber: B-29, i have to say He 177 rulez though
Best airforce: Luftwaffe
Best battleship: Bismarck
Best navy: Dönitz's u-boats
Best pilot: Hans Joachim Marseille
Best pilots: Gallands 262 squadron, i cant remember its name
Best training: Hungarian air force. Our loss rate was the lowest in the war
Best divebomber: stoooooka : )
Best attack aircraft: A-26
Best bomb: the dambuster, tied with the grandslam
Best radar: the british system in the BoB. Maybe not the best overall, but the best and most useful at its age.
Best squadron: RHAF 101/1 Puma fighter squadron the whole hungarian fighter army. 24 pilots, all aces, and only lost 5 in the war.
Best squadron colours: 101/1 Puma squadron
Most kills overall: what do you mean? pilot: Hartmann squad: JG 54 (not 100% sure) airforce: Luftwaffe
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U.S isent in this thread matchup. this is strictly germany vs japan vs italy. the U.S will show up in a later thread.
Oh I can hardly contain myself for the next thread.
Beside this is all subjective. It's rather pointless. Not knowing anyones credentials other than maybe WideWings (and haven't seen him in ages), I assume most of us are not classified as Historical Military Experts. That being said this entire thread is like comparing BMWs to Infinities to Fiats.
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Best fighter: Ta-152, hands down (yes, beats my beloved g-6)
Best bomber: B-29, i have to say He 177 rulez though
Best airforce: Luftwaffe
Best battleship: Bismarck
Best navy: Dönitz's u-boats
Best pilot: Hans Joachim Marseille
Best pilots: Gallands 262 squadron, i cant remember its name
Best training: Hungarian air force. Our loss rate was the lowest in the war
Best divebomber: stoooooka : )
Best attack aircraft: A-26
Best bomb: the dambuster, tied with the grandslam
Best radar: the british system in the BoB. Maybe not the best overall, but the best and most useful at its age.
Best squadron: RHAF 101/1 Puma fighter squadron the whole hungarian fighter army. 24 pilots, all aces, and only lost 5 in the war.
Best squadron colours: 101/1 Puma squadron
Most kills overall: what do you mean? pilot: Hartmann squad: JG 54 (not 100% sure) airforce: Luftwaffe
....half your answers are not ether from germany or japan or italy.
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Oh I can hardly contain myself for the next thread.
Beside this is all subjective. It's rather pointless. Not knowing anyones credentials other than maybe WideWings (and haven't seen him in ages), I assume most of us are not classified as Historical Military Experts. That being said this entire thread is like comparing BMWs to Infinities to Fiats.
its just a fun competition of opinions, to find out what everyone thinks is the best of each class. plus some of us can learn some things too. i have.