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Title: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: SlipKnt on January 22, 2011, 10:53:31 AM
 :pray

Not sure how it is programmed now, but it seems that if you receive a PW, you eventually bleed out on those long flights home.

Thought I would throw this out there and get some feedback from the community...

Suggestion (wish list)...

Create an option in the hanger that prior to lift off, you can "buy" a first aid kit that will be deducted from your points in whatever mode you are in.

If in attack or fighter mode, deduct from fighter points.
If in bomber mode, deduct from bomber points, etc...

If you receive a PW, and you use the first aid kit, you lose the points.  If you get shot down and you purchased the first aid kit, you lose the points, etc...

Now, the first aid kit is only to stop the bleeding (technically, slow down the bleeding out process).  Lets say if you are bleeding out, and you use the kit, it only slows down the bleeding to allot for more time.  I recommend maybe doubling the time and maybe a little longer between blackouts.  But enough to give you a better chance at making it to a friendly field. 

 
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: grumpy37 on January 22, 2011, 10:59:16 AM
interesting,  did WWII planes actually have these?  if so then a big +1
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Rino on January 22, 2011, 11:04:26 AM
     Not sure how good a first aid kit would be for most wounds.  Remember the smallest round we're shooting is still 30 cal,
which makes a mess.  50 BMG or cannon rounds would be even worse.  Unless it's shrapnel, it's going to make a big hole.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: SlipKnt on January 22, 2011, 11:06:02 AM
TY Grumpy.

All military personnel receive the standard first aid kit.  I believe that most planes have one attached somewhere in the cockpit.  The basic is the bandages to stop the bleeding and protect the wound.  To be able to get an expensive plane back home and provide care to the pilot.  Several individual stories come to mind.  One a Japanese pilot in the pacific in a Zeke made a several hundred mile trek home one time (will have to research it further).  He was a famous Japanese ace.  He received a PW and made it several hundred miles home.  I know there were others.

Specifically, I will have to research a bit further.  But I am sure that all planes would have had the minimum bandages to slow the process...  They all had fire extinguishers, I believe most first aid kits would have been nearby those...

 
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: BigKev03 on January 22, 2011, 11:22:15 AM
I read somewhere in the past that most pilots who survived wounds were from richochets (the shrapnel from the HE rounds exploding) or from deris such as the metal around the cockpit and the glass from the canopy.  A hit from a 20mm or a .50 cal is a kill shot no matter what.  The body cannot sustain the trauma nor the loss of blood from a wound that big.  Even if you were lucky to survive the initial hit you would need immediate first aid that cannot be self administered to survie.  Now if a .303 or a 7.92 hit you and it wasnt in a vital area I think your chances of surviving were good.  I wish I could remember where I read that data at.  When I take a pilot wound I beat feet back to base as quick as I can.  I put the plane on auto pilot and fly as slow as I can to avoid a stall and as low as I can.  If I get t base I am low enough where I dont have to take a lot of time on approach.  If I am not able to make it back I can ditch easliy enough and at least that makes me feel somewhat good.

BigKev
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: shermanjr on January 22, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
wanst it soburo souki and got shot in the face by a .30 cal
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Motherland on January 22, 2011, 11:54:06 AM
In the Fw 190 and Bf 109 the first aid kit was in the tail. I don't think there was anything for use in the cockpit. I can't really imagine trying to administer first aid to yourself and fly an airplane at the same time, though. I've never heard any stories about it, at least.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: RTHolmes on January 22, 2011, 11:57:30 AM
bandages and tourniques help, but people only survive rifle calibre wounds because they get to a surgeon in time.

if WWII pilots all had and used first aid kits, just assume our AH pilots are already using them.

this is a combat sim/game, not a medical sim.

-2
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: flatiron1 on January 22, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
already got one, it's called autopilot
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: nrshida on January 22, 2011, 12:07:47 PM
wanst it soburo souki and got shot in the face by a .30 cal

In his head. He poked it a few times to keep himself awake too.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: alpini13 on January 22, 2011, 01:01:16 PM
this is actually a great idea,pilots were free to bring extras with them,like first aid,sandwichs,thermos,etc....and 1 round is only as good as where IT HITS YOU......a 25 cal round can kill you if hit in a vital area and a 37mm round can wound you if it say glances you or hits you only in the hand....see  hans ulrich rudel...hit by a 37mm round,survived,healled,continued to fly missions.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Motherland on January 22, 2011, 01:57:36 PM
this is actually a great idea,pilots were free to bring extras with them,like first aid,sandwichs,thermos,etc....and 1 round is only as good as where IT HITS YOU......a 25 cal round can kill you if hit in a vital area and a 37mm round can wound you if it say glances you or hits you only in the hand....see  hans ulrich rudel...hit by a 37mm round,survived,healled,continued to fly missions.
Even the smallest caliber weapons in this game would massacre your body if they didn't have to go through a significant amount of other material to get to it.
Rudel was not hit by a 37mm round, a 40mm round hit his aircraft and his leg had to be removed because it was rittled with shrapnel. If you're hit with an HE cannon round, you're not going to live to tell the tale.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: morfiend on January 22, 2011, 02:38:41 PM
 I have confiscated every first aid kit in AHII,the morphine has been removed and all that I left was the bandaids,I dont need no stinking bandaids..... :devil








       :salute
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Tupac on January 22, 2011, 06:51:59 PM
How about when your pilot gets PWed when your in a buff the co-pilot takes over.

I've had many occasions where I lose 2 drones and a pw in my last plane, then limp home and blackout on final and crash
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Mirage on January 22, 2011, 07:51:56 PM
it would be sweet to see Pilot + Co pilot in the damage list of planes that qualify, sor of like an extra chance so to speak
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Tarstar on January 22, 2011, 08:33:40 PM
it would be sweet to see Pilot + Co pilot in the damage list of planes that qualify, sor of like an extra chance so to speak

Nope. PW = PW deal with it.. -3
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Mirage on January 22, 2011, 08:34:58 PM
no for me Cpt attitude, just being positive towards the wish

Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Denholm on January 22, 2011, 09:14:04 PM
...I put the plane on auto pilot and fly as slow as I can to avoid a stall...
I knew you were cheating. :D
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Tarstar on January 23, 2011, 06:25:36 PM
I knew you were cheating. :D
:rofl
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: fullmetalbullet on January 23, 2011, 07:14:43 PM
PWs are actually kinda rare, or atleast for me. the times i do get a PW i am able to get the aircraft home safetly and land it on the field.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: SectorNine50 on January 24, 2011, 02:22:44 AM
PWs are actually kinda rare, or atleast for me. the times i do get a PW i am able to get the aircraft home safetly and land it on the field.

Realllllllly depends on the aircraft.

I think blackouts are kind of silly if you ask me.  If I had any clout, I would go with a similar design as WWII Online's pilot wound system.  You get hit in the right arm, you lose stick strength.  You get hit in the leg, you lose leg strength.  Both arms, no stick control...  Well, you get the idea...
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 24, 2011, 03:52:13 AM
:pray

Not sure how it is programmed now, but it seems that if you receive a PW, you eventually bleed out on those long flights home.

Thought I would throw this out there and get some feedback from the community...

Suggestion (wish list)...

Create an option in the hanger that prior to lift off, you can "buy" a first aid kit that will be deducted from your points in whatever mode you are in.

If in attack or fighter mode, deduct from fighter points.
If in bomber mode, deduct from bomber points, etc...

If you receive a PW, and you use the first aid kit, you lose the points.  If you get shot down and you purchased the first aid kit, you lose the points, etc...

Now, the first aid kit is only to stop the bleeding (technically, slow down the bleeding out process).  Lets say if you are bleeding out, and you use the kit, it only slows down the bleeding to allot for more time.  I recommend maybe doubling the time and maybe a little longer between blackouts.  But enough to give you a better chance at making it to a friendly field. 

 


I don't know of any USAAF fighter that had first aid kit readily available to the pilot in the cockpit.  I know there were first aid kits in their survival kits that were attached to their parachutes but those wouldn't really be accessible to the pilot while in flight. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Pigslilspaz on January 24, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
Bomber crews, however did have medical supplies easily accessible if I remember correctly. Brings up another question, if you lose a gun in the bomber, is it because the gunner was shot, or the gun itself was shot to hell?
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: SectorNine50 on January 24, 2011, 03:27:13 PM
Bomber crews, however did have medical supplies easily accessible if I remember correctly. Brings up another question, if you lose a gun in the bomber, is it because the gunner was shot, or the gun itself was shot to hell?

In the case of Wirbles, the turret smokes when you've killed the gunners in the top.  Or at least that's what I understand it's trying to imitate.  That is why you can turret Wirbles w/ basically any bullet type.  This would lead me to assume that bombers are the same way.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: guncrasher on January 24, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
In the case of Wirbles, the turret smokes when you've killed the gunners in the top.  Or at least that's what I understand it's trying to imitate.  That is why you can turret Wirbles w/ basically any bullet type.  This would lead me to assume that bombers are the same way.

which brings up one of the most famous quotes in ah. "the wirble's turret is out, oh crap he got me".

semp
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Yeager on January 24, 2011, 03:50:12 PM
Would this be the same as a health power-up? 

Perhaps elfin folk could help build the power-ups using the gold we dig out of the goblin caves  :bhead
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: MarineUS on January 24, 2011, 04:03:27 PM
TY Grumpy.

All military personnel receive the standard first aid kit.  I believe that most planes have one attached somewhere in the cockpit.  The basic is the bandages to stop the bleeding and protect the wound.  To be able to get an expensive plane back home and provide care to the pilot.  Several individual stories come to mind.  One a Japanese pilot in the pacific in a Zeke made a several hundred mile trek home one time (will have to research it further).  He was a famous Japanese ace.  He received a PW and made it several hundred miles home.  I know there were others.

Specifically, I will have to research a bit further.  But I am sure that all planes would have had the minimum bandages to slow the process...  They all had fire extinguishers, I believe most first aid kits would have been nearby those...

 

I know who you're talking about. He jabbed his fingers into his wounds to keep himself awake
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Penguin on January 24, 2011, 09:22:04 PM
That guy is on toughness level roughly equaling Chuck Norris.  :rock

-Penguin
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: RTHolmes on January 25, 2011, 06:32:33 AM
which brings up one of the most famous quotes in ah. "the wirble's turret is out, oh crap he got me".

so if the wirb has a gunner attached, you can kill the gunner (smoking the turret), then the driver can hop in the turret and carry on firing? :confused:
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: SectorNine50 on January 25, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
so if the wirb has a gunner attached, you can kill the gunner (smoking the turret), then the driver can hop in the turret and carry on firing? :confused:

I think he's referencing the insta-repair of picking up supplies.
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Shifty on January 25, 2011, 12:24:08 PM
We could go as far as having a team of surgeons and mechanics waiting at the rearm pad. Then while you're waiting the medical guys could repair your body while the maintenance troops repaired your plane. Then nobody would ever have to tower out to get a new plane or die from their wounds. They could keep the same aircraft until they had enough kills to get plenty of wtgs in the text buffer. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Dichotomy on January 25, 2011, 12:36:03 PM
hmmmmm a quick infusion of morphine on the rearm pad.  Now you're thinking :D
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Tarstar on January 25, 2011, 04:53:24 PM
hmmmmm a quick infusion of morphine on the rearm pad.  Now you're thinking :D

+1  :aok
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: morfiend on January 25, 2011, 05:55:26 PM
hmmmmm a quick infusion of morphine on the rearm pad.  Now you're thinking :D



  Good luck with that,I doubt you'll find any in the medic's bag either......... :devil




     :salute
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Tarstar on January 25, 2011, 05:59:32 PM


  Good luck with that,I doubt you'll find any in the medic's bag either......... :devil




     :salute

Now that you mention it... Can't find the medic..  :confused:
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: Dichotomy on January 25, 2011, 06:09:32 PM


  Good luck with that,I doubt you'll find any in the medic's bag either......... :devil




     :salute

you got to fly sometime and I know where your stash is :D
Title: Re: First Aid Kit for PW...
Post by: bangsbox on January 26, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
apply directly to the forehead