Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BnZs on January 22, 2011, 04:18:15 PM
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Since buffs are truth be told probably of more strategic value for moving the map and for overwhelming the low numbers side than any given fighter, I propose that their ENY numbers be reconsidered. Right now the B-17s and B-24s are 20eny, while the Lancs are 15. I propose that the Big 3 should have ENYs of 5-10, and that level bomber ENY be adjusted across the board accordingly. This will 3 beneficial effects IMO. First, it will help the low numbers side in the war, since the enemy will have less effective planes with which it toolshed them into submission. Second, it will give greater perk rewards for the often boring, difficult, and unglamorous job of high CAP/buff intercept. Third, it will cause lesser bombers than currently see almost no use in the MA to be flown more often. Thank you, that is all.
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That effects scoring as well though.
I've long thought that OBJ should be locked out the same way ENY is.
Beside bombers, this also helps for attack aircraft: you could put say the OBJ on the Bf 110G down fairly low so it still gets locked out, but if you want to use it as a fighter it has a more realistic ENY score.
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no no no..... WHERES THE FACEPALM WHEN YOU NEED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no no no..... WHERES THE FACEPALM WHEN YOU NEED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would facepalm this post
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The purpose of ENY in side balancing is to deprive the opposition of the more effective tools in the plane and vehicle set. The best bombers are the most effective tools for moving the map. Ultimately, in the "war" fought in the mains, the big 3 buffs probably matter more than whether or not the opponent has access to Spit16s and P-51s. It is thus logical to bring their ENY down.
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I would facepalm this post
i would quadruple facepalm with the 3 stooges. :lol
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4 halo spartans facepalm
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4 halo spartans facepalm
i see your 4 spartans and raise you 5 elites
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:bhead :ahand
ENY is good where it is. Bombers are so notoriously easy to kill that noobs climb right up the six of bombers without fear! I mean after all... you get a brand new plane right after you hit the tower right?
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:bhead :ahand
ENY is good where it is. Bombers are so notoriously easy to kill that noobs climb right up the six of bombers without fear! I mean after all... you get a brand new plane right after you hit the tower right?
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It's not hard to kill them, it just takes really long when they are at 20K+.
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It's not hard to kill them, it just takes really long when they are at 20K+.
If they're at 20k then you get rid of them for at least 2 hours. no need to waste bullets.
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I get a kick out of the A> "Fear of Change" crowd. God forbid if you'd have to adjust your game play a wee bit because the Lancs and their 14k bomb load was not available; and B> "Bombers are so easy to kill" crowd. Perhaps, but how often do the bombers get shot down prior to dropping payload? The ability of a flight of heavy bombers to bring up the white flag, take out multiple hangers, and/or a combination of both, sink CV's easily, etc, etc, should be well noted. It is their offensive capability that should be measured, not their defensive capability. Just as in the real deal the mission planners were thinking destruction, not how easily they'd get shot down. That is what escort fighters are for.
I've vouched for a lower ENY and/or a slight perk price to the 3-4 most devastating heavy bombers in the game. It would make the bomb-n-bail crowd think twice about bailing; stop the turn on a dime and lose the drones crowd as they circle a field; and it would hopefully make the stuka-hvy bomber crowd hesitate before diving in to a CV, over a gv spawn, etc/ Something like a 5 for Lancs, 4 for B24's, and 3 for B17's. Maybe even a 1 or 2 for B26's, the jury is still out on that one.
What else do we spend bomber perks on?
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It's not hard to kill them, it just takes really long when they are at 20K+.
Not when you are hovering at 40k saving gas.
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I get a kick out of the A> "Fear of Change" crowd. God forbid if you'd have to adjust your game play a wee bit because the Lancs and their 14k bomb load was not available; and B> "Bombers are so easy to kill" crowd.
What you really mean is you dont know how to really play the game the way it is and you want it modified to suit your style. If you dont have the patience to fight bombers in their element then you shouldnt insist that bombers be neutered to suit your anxiety level (lacking patience as you do).
Bronks point is just to show his lack of cleverness as well. 40k flights are for noobs in 152s. If you see a bomber at even 30k he is probably empty. You should know this because every bomber in the game hits service ceiling at 27k or less. If SmokinLoon doesnt have the patience to climb to 20k then very very few bomber pilots have the patience to deal with 150 ft/min for any time at all. That means any bomber hitting hangars is going to be 14k on average (some a LOT lower) and 20k at most (due to bomb spread).
There is a completely different level to this game other than furballing and climbing twenty seconds to a fight where you can pick your way to having your names in light. Im sorry to see you have decided to remain at level one. When you gain the patience to really play AH let us know.
:ahand
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I just figure your hunting red scorpions up there chalenge.
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i see your 4 spartans and raise you 5 elites
i see your 5 elites and raise you 6 prophets.
and yes i do have the patients to climb to 25k and bomb but most of the time in at between 17 k and 20 k alt. but once the B-29 is in i think we'll see 152s up more offten then you think.
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i see your 5 elites and raise you 6 prophets.
i see your 6 prophets and raise you 7 hunters. cant beat that!
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i see your 6 prophets and raise you 7 hunters. cant beat that!
damn....-folds-
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What you really mean is you dont know how to really play the game the way it is and you want it modified to suit your style. If you dont have the patience to fight bombers in their element then you shouldnt insist that bombers be neutered to suit your anxiety level (lacking patience as you do).
Bronks point is just to show his lack of cleverness as well. 40k flights are for noobs in 152s. If you see a bomber at even 30k he is probably empty. You should know this because every bomber in the game hits service ceiling at 27k or less. If SmokinLoon doesnt have the patience to climb to 20k then very very few bomber pilots have the patience to deal with 150 ft/min for any time at all. That means any bomber hitting hangars is going to be 14k on average (some a LOT lower) and 20k at most (due to bomb spread).
There is a completely different level to this game other than furballing and climbing twenty seconds to a fight where you can pick your way to having your names in light. Im sorry to see you have decided to remain at level one. When you gain the patience to really play AH let us know.
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You missed my point completely, Sherlock. I can shoot bombers down with ease, that isn't a problem for most anyone and that wasn't what I was commenting on. I made no reference to them being "too powerful defensively". I have no issues with having the ability or patience when intercepting or chasing bombers and having success. My point is that for the amount of destruction heavy bombers are able to cause they sure are cheap and they are taken for granted. Please read carefully what someone contributes prior to letting your tongue slobber and slur words forth.
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For the average bomber sortie, how many fighter sorties could you fit in? ENY is rapidly changing, fighter sorties are relatively short, meaning it can have an impact on fighters in a very short time. Any effect of ENY on bombers wouldn't be seen for 30-60 minutes.
Second, how many other options do fighter pilots have when ENY kicks in vs. bomber options?
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I just figure your hunting red scorpions up there chalenge.
Is that your handle online? Id hunt you if you werent hiding in a BBS shade. You dont even fly AH do you? :rolleyes:
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You missed my point completely, Sherlock. I can shoot bombers down with ease, that isn't a problem for most anyone and that wasn't what I was commenting on. I made no reference to them being "too powerful defensively". I have no issues with having the ability or patience when intercepting or chasing bombers and having success. My point is that for the amount of destruction heavy bombers are able to cause they sure are cheap and they are taken for granted. Please read carefully what someone contributes prior to letting your tongue slobber and slur words forth.
I did read carefully. I completely disagree. It is obvious you wish the style you enjoy to have greater preference in the game. Sorry but it is what it is. Everyone has the same choices in aircraft. If you dont like bombers in the area then you need to pork more fields. Since you dont want to pork fields you prefer to whine on the wishlist and insult people about their reading abilities. You really do not have a valid argument in either topic (bombers or reading ability).
I think you are just lazy and dont want to try harder. :D
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I would disagree, most of the time I see heavy fighters moving the map, not bombers. A few nights ago during Titanic Tuesday the Knits lost 25 bases in the span of 3 hours. Most of the bases were taken with heavy fighter NOE raids, as only a couple of missions had bombers in them. Also, once the ENY does kick in you start to lose a lot of your heavy JABO fighters which leaves only bombers with the ability to do heavy damage to fields. Now I understand where you're coming from, however, I've played nights when my side was in the bucket being crushed by both sides AND we had ENY. Even though we had numbers how could we "break out" if all of our bombers are grounded?
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damn....-folds-
own...now, how much were we betting? or was that something else
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I like this idea, makes sense. Would keep the teams with higher numbers from rolling through bases.
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I like this idea, makes sense. Would keep the teams with higher numbers from rolling through bases.
No it wont. ENY takes care of that already. The OP is really asking for an ENY on bombs which is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
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See Rules #2, #4
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No it wont. ENY takes care of that already. The OP is really asking for an ENY on bombs which is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
All bombers drop bombs, not just the biggest 3.
You can't see the merit? One of the biggest whines of all time is that teams with huge numbers will roll the little guys off the map using their "uber hordez." Lowering the ENY of the biggest ord carrying bombers would make this much less of a possibility, and in fact, would be kind of neat; you'd see loads of B-25's, A-20's and Bostons. I'm not saying the ENY should be 5, but 10 or 15 would probably be reasonable.
Or we could make formations disabled after a certain ENY...
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All bombers drop bombs, not just the biggest 3.
You can't see the merit? One of the biggest whines of all time is that teams with huge numbers will roll the little guys off the map using their "uber hordez." Lowering the ENY of the biggest ord carrying bombers would make this much less of a possibility, and in fact, would be kind of neat; you'd see loads of B-25's, A-20's and Bostons. I'm not saying the ENY should be 5, but 10 or 15 would probably be reasonable.
Or we could make formations disabled after a certain ENY...
If you don't pork the ORD then you pay the price.
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If you don't pork the ORD then you pay the price.
That's like saying there shouldn't be fighter ENY because if you don't drop FH's you pay the price.
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That's like saying there shouldn't be fighter ENY because if you don't drop FH's you pay the price.
One fighter armed with rockets and bombs or loaded with cannons can kill the ord at any base....by itself. It takes 9000lbs of bombs to kill FH's at a small field, 12000lbs for a medium, and 21000lbs for a large. Ord is down for 45 minutes if not resupplied, FH's are down for 15 minutes.
See what I'm getting at?
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One fighter armed with rockets and bombers or loaded with cannons can kill the ord at any base....by itself. It takes 9000lbs of bombs to kill FH's at a small field, 12000lbs for a medium, and 21000lbs for a large. Ord is down for 45 minutes if not resupplied, FH's are down for 15 minutes.
See what I'm getting at?
I don't think you are thinking about the whole outnumbered part of this problem.
Not only does porking ORD at one base do nothing but make the bombers come in at a higher altitude from a slightly further base (which makes them even more difficult to kill in an outnumbered situation), it is extremely difficult to get a heavy bird to the enemy base to do porking runs when you see red everywhere. Most times, when I've been on the team that outnumbers the few, the planes that come in to pork go down after one salvo. Then if they manage to take something down the base gets resupplied in seconds since there are so many players involved.
I really quite frankly haven't heard anyone state a reason that adjusting the ENY on bombers would hurt gameplay. The closest thing to an argument I've seen is "it's ridiculous," which in reality, isn't an argument at all. If your team has more players, take up more smaller bombers to get the same result.
It seems like this makes really very good sense.
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I did read carefully. I completely disagree. It is obvious you wish the style you enjoy to have greater preference in the game. Sorry but it is what it is. Everyone has the same choices in aircraft. If you dont like bombers in the area then you need to pork more fields. Since you dont want to pork fields you prefer to whine on the wishlist and insult people about their reading abilities. You really do not have a valid argument in either topic (bombers or reading ability).
I think you are just lazy and dont want to try harder. :D
No you really did miss the point of my first post. You did. It has nothing to do with my "style" of playing. You cant even begin to label my "style" of playing. Obviously, you have trouble differentiating between a whine and a well voiced opinion. My opinion is that the heavy bombers are taken for granted, if you disagree then no issue, I could care less, but don't start start insinuating things that are simply not true. You make erroneous and haphazard statements about me being lazy and not porkin' fields and whining when you have absolutely no clue who you are talking to. No one gets shot down more than me and my Mossie while porkin' fields. ;)