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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ebfd11 on January 23, 2011, 08:56:45 AM
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I was thinking of upgrading my MB, processor and PSU and I was wondering if this is a good combo to use.
MB and procsessor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.581363
Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817610008
everything else I have is great but I want to upgrade my speed and later on I am thinking of upping my RAM to DDR3 or 4
any suggestions will be considered.
LawnDart
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Personally, I prefer Intel processors. That's mainly because they run faster, use less wattage and remain cool. Best of all, the latest line of Intel processors are easy to overclock offering higher processing speeds.
I won't comment on the Power Supply Unit, as I haven't kept up to date on those products within the last 6 months. Generally, if it's 80+ certified, it's worth a second look. However, I'm going to let experts chime in on that one.
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I was thinking of upgrading my MB, processor and PSU and I was wondering if this is a good combo to use.
MB and procsessor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.581363
Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817610008
everything else I have is great but I want to upgrade my speed and later on I am thinking of upping my RAM to DDR3 or 4
any suggestions will be considered.
LawnDart
excellent combo there for the price.
however, you would need DDR3 w/ that AM3 motherboard.
DDR2 wouldnt work on that one.
AMD is fine, unless you prefer to jackoff to bentmarks all day. :aok
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So if I look into a intel combo it would work better?? The only reason is I have 2 470 vid cards slid and I want to get the maximum prefomance out of them. I know I have to upgrade my power supply.
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So if I look into a intel combo it would work better?? The only reason is I have 2 470 vid cards slid and I want to get the maximum prefomance out of them. I know I have to upgrade my power supply.
sandy bridge? good luck with that. (http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=138168&p=196889#p196889)
pay extra $$$ for silicon you wont use (.i.e. the crappy GPU part).
besides, intel's SB GPU barely performs better than AMD's netbook offerings.
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The debate rages on...
(http://www.aurorawdc.com/ci/amd_intel.jpg)
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Maybe I ought to get skuzzy and tds advice on this one
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Maybe I ought to get skuzzy and tds advice on this one
There are a LOT of factors involved in the AMD vs. Intel debate. It all really depends on what you use the computer for.
GENERALLY SPEAKING Intel is going to perform better than AMD. If you were to match their clock speeds, cache, cores, etc.. etc.. I believe Intel would outperform AMD. How much is always up for debate.
Also GENERALLY SPEAKING, AMD is going to provide a better "bang for the buck" than Intel. If you were to match a $75 AMD processor up against a $75 Intel processor, the AMD would likely blow it away.
If price is a big concern with you and you have a budget to stay within, then go AMD. If you'd rather have more solid performance regardless of price, then go Intel. To be honest, I'm not convinced Intel is absolutely the way to go anymore, ESPECIALLY for a budget build.
Where memory is concerned, AFAIK DDR4 isn't yet available... so DDR3 is what you're going to want to get. Get the fastest RAM your motherboard supports.
The links you post to price out at almost $700 just for those three components. Add memory in the mix and it could go up significantly higher. Are you sure you need that 1100 Watt power supply? I wouldn't automatically dismiss that brand, but Seasonic is known for quality, long lasting units and they have an 850 Watt for almost half the price. Just an idea in case you forgot to budget for memory. Just remember, DO YOUR RESEARCH before purchasing a power supply. You can easily get burned with a cheap one.
So you have to tell us... what are your intentions? What is your budget? What all do you use your system for?
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for what I understand the new sandy bridge cpus smoke the more expensive i7's 1366 and are not really more expensive than the regular 1366 cpu's. true they have a crappy gpu, then again all mobo's have a crappy built in sound and that's why you get a sound card. take a look at this two similarly priced cpus. I believe the sandy bridge is faster for what I have read.
i5 650 3.2 $182 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115220
i5 2400 3.1 sandy bridge $194 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074
but since you are rich take a look at this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070. me i gotta wait for my gf to allow me to buy it. probably will have to work my butt off for it.
still waiting for ripley to come in here and help us decide which cpus is better.
one thing to considere lawn is that skuzzy says he has more problems with amd based systems than with intel based systems.
semp
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TD will not be commenting in this one. However if you take someone's advice on incorrect opinion of the Sandy Bridge CPU, you are a fool.
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Ok I guess to let you kbow right now my 1st priority is to get my psu upgraded, going off the sugesstion of the newegg site with what I have in my rig now it says I need at least 970 watts for optimum running. Right now all I have is an 850 watt supply and it is straining to keep up. So the first route probably is to upgrade my psu and see if that will help my preformance.
LawnDart
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WOW
you need 970 watts for your current PC configuration????
what are your PC specs? that your 850 watt PSU will not keep up with at this time?
also what brand PSU do you currently have ( & model # ) is it multi 12v rails or possibly just a single 12V rail..... just because it says it is 850 watts does not mean it produces 850 watts continously.......
tell us all what you currently have as a PC system
and then tell us all where you are wanting to go / get to .......
as for AMD vs INTEL that is something "YOU" need to decide on for yourself......... each and everyone of us other individuals will give you our own bias'd answers to what we think works better
the INTEL/AMD & the NVIDIA/ATI battles have raged for 10/15/20 + years.......... doubt it ever stops until all 4 of these finally merge into one big monopoly :devil
anyways...... what do you have now? what do you want to have next?
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OK here is my specs hopefully I do justice,
MSI P45 platinum MB
Intel quad core q8400 @2.66 (4 cpus) @ 2.77
8 gig of ddr2
dual GTX 470 1280MB PCIe - PNY version that are slid
dual seagate 1tb harddrives that are linked with 500 gig as back up (72000 RPM i believe)
1 DVD drive
Logitech g35 headset , g940 flight system
triple 23 inch HD LCD displays
per Newegg it says I need 970 wats to run properly right now
my current power supply is
Thermaltake Tt TR2 RX 850W ATX 12V 2.2 Modular Power Supply Unit
so I was always one to belive if you need 10 feet of string it is best to get 12, just in case.
I hope this helps
My current case is the Antec 900 with a 200mm TriCool fan on the top, two 120mm front blue LED fans, one 120mm rear fan all run at seperate sppeeds according to cooling purposes.
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lawndart,
Is the 500 gig 7200rpm backup an External HardDrive? USB connect?
also, are you including the 3 LCD monitors in your calculations at newegg to find your power needed?
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TD will not be commenting in this one. However if you take someone's advice on incorrect opinion of the Sandy Bridge CPU, you are a fool.
Why'd TD decide to stop posting in the AH forum anyway? If it's personal, then I'll mind my own business. Just curious.
Oh yeah, (anti-hijack), AMD is good... Intel is good...
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lawndart,
Is the 500 gig 7200rpm backup an External HardDrive? USB connect?
also, are you including the 3 LCD monitors in your calculations at newegg to find your power needed?
the 500 gig is actually one of my 1tb split in half and i am not including my 3 monitors power as part of the supply needed just the power drain on the 2 vidcards.
Why'd TD decide to stop posting in the AH forum anyway? If it's personal, then I'll mind my own business. Just curious.
it is personal but he did tell me why and I understand.
here is the wattage test off the newegg site
(http://www2.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/8c4556587a65b1e45c7d5ac33afed89571f15841ea15f1759b95c6d0484dc2256g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=84opu5axc67658y&thumb=4)
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4 (by association)
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Aces High doesn't utilize more than one core in an AMD multi-core processor. So I would recommend Intel if Aces High is what you're building your computer around.
The middle i5 of the new Sandy Bridge Intel CPUs represents the best place in price / performance IMO, precisely which depends on if you want to bother with overclocking.
For example, if you don't want to OC:
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131685
~ $295
There are lots of alternatives with regards to motherboard choice, I personally trust Asus, but some people will assuredly respond to this with their personal Asus horror stories. You can of course choose whatever you prefer. This particular combination will run you less than $300 though. It also includes integrated (CPU) graphics, which would be interesting to see how well Aces High runs on, but I would highly recommend a separate graphics card, and not using the integrated graphics, for Aces High. It also is a Micro-ATX board, so it'll fit in a smaller case, but should be fine in a large one too... mainly chosen because its a way to get this under $300.
And if you do want to OC:
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
MB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131687
~$365
This motherboard choice is tweaked for value... there are more expensive more capable motherboards than this if you think you'll use the features, such as SLI mode. The overclockable motherboards aren't capable of using the integrated graphics in the Sandy Bridge CPUs, so you'll definitely need a separate graphics card.
Edit: Just saw your #12 reply where you posted your system specs. For some reason I thought I saw a $300 budget. I must have made that up in my own head. Anyways, I'll leave the above listed for anyone else that wants it.
In your case forget the above MB, you DO run SLI, so get this MB or one like it instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131695
You'll also need DDR3 memory, so keep that in mind.
I don't know if I would spend the coin on going from a ~800 to a ~900 watt power supply just because of some Newegg calculation though. Your 800 watt is probably good enough, and the Newegg calculator is probably overly conservative in order to convince people to buy a bigger PS than they need. If you have a lot of cash, go for it, or get one even larger, but I personally would see if my current ~800 watt PS works first. If it doesn't, you're not screwed for a week until your new PS comes in, just remove one of the video cards for a week until it comes in.
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Aces High doesn't utilize more than one core in an AMD multi-core processor. So I would recommend Intel if Aces High is what you're building your computer around.
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You'll also need DDR3 memory, so keep that in mind.
I don't know if I would spend the coin on going from a ~800 to a ~900 watt power supply just because of some Newegg calculation though. Your 800 watt is probably good enough
So decide on your CPU first. As mentioned Tom's Hardware has lists, and you can use this one as a rough guide (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html). Different benchmarking software can give different results and you certainly need to balance that out. But this guide can get you close.
The 1090T is not anywhere near as capable as the Sandy Bridge i5-2500K. For the exact same price it is a no brainer if you re-consider the warnings about AMD CPU's and Aces High. For the i5 Sandy Bridges, for only a little more money you can get the 2500K over the lowest priced 2300 that BoilerDown first mentioned, overclocking or otherwise, and I personally wouldn't even look at the 2300, 2400, 2500 and move right to the 2500K for the sake or around 40 Bucks. But that's me.
I too have always been a fan of ASUS boards, but close study of the P67 boards they have released for Sandy Bridge have a lot of complaints on both NewEgg and the ASUS support forums. I expect it's mostly BIOS (or noob) related and this will likely get fleshed out; just be aware of a rocky road for quite a few people with these boards. Dual boots, long POST times, picky with RAM even RAM listed on the QVL to name a few.
Good reviews and excellent features on the ASRock Extreme4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157217) with a good price. The P67 Gigabyte boards all seem to have lesser features but no shortage of price.
- CPU of either 2500K or 1090T = same price and no contest in performance. Advantage 2500K
- DDR3 RAM which you would need with either Sandy Bridge board or one you listed for the 1090T = same price
- The mobo you listed for the 1090T does NOT support SLI and only has a x4 second PCIe slot
- Sandy Bridge boards with SLI will begin around the price of the Extreme4 I provided = 160 bucks
There are a bunch of boards available, do your research for the features you need, put a 2500K in it with some good 1600 DDR3 RAM, keep your PSU and those rocking 2 x 470's and you'll be kickin'!
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I've been looking at this board for a potential build for my wife
ASUS M4A88T-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
Core Unlocker, USB 3.0, CrossFireX, HDMI Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131668
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Well after looking things over at different sites I am gonna try this for now,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703028&cm_re=pc_power_and_cooling-_-17-703-028-_-Product
The reason why I am trying is because I am getting vid tearing in game, but still able to get 75 on tri monitor display. If I remember correctly that is caused by insufficient power going to the vid cards.
I will let you know how it all goes when i get it and hook it up. I just hope I don't get :ahand to me.
LawnDart :bolt:
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Well after looking things over at different sites I am gonna try this for now,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703028&cm_re=pc_power_and_cooling-_-17-703-028-_-Product
The reason why I am trying is because I am getting vid tearing in game, but still able to get 75 on tri monitor display. If I remember correctly that is caused by insufficient power going to the vid cards.
I will let you know how it all goes when i get it and hook it up. I just hope I don't get :ahand to me.
LawnDart :bolt:
heya LawnDart,
the PC Power & Cooling PSU's used to be TOP NOTCH...... although they were took over by another company, at least they kept the warrantys and now have even raised the warranty from 5 years to 7 years
as for your Antec 900 case, I also have the same case and have a PC Power & Cooling 750w siliencer in it..... I took a que from tilDeath and flipped the PSU to keep my wiring/connectors along the bottom and to the back of the case along the backside below where the MB mounts.....
You might want to check to see if you are able to do something similar...... unless the Big Fan opening will keep you from doing it ( or you could always MOD the bottom to allow for the PSU fan to vent, just a thought )
in doing mine this way, I was able to route / hide all my wires/connectors made for a clean /sleek appearance
you should be fine with this 950 watt PC P & C PSU you are getting...... they run quiet and are still "Single 12V rail "
I noticed just your 2 vidcards need like 76 amps???? or something like that? 38 amp draw per card right?
good luck
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Well after looking things over at different sites I am gonna try this for now,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703028&cm_re=pc_power_and_cooling-_-17-703-028-_-Product
The reason why I am trying is because I am getting vid tearing in game, but still able to get 75 on tri monitor display. If I remember correctly that is caused by insufficient power going to the vid cards.
I will let you know how it all goes when i get it and hook it up. I just hope I don't get :ahand to me.
LawnDart :bolt:
That would be very improbable. Most likely you have vsync disabled which causes your tearing. If your cards would suffer from lack of power your computer would crash at 99% certainty before you see anything else.
The power supply will not gain you any performance whatsoever.
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Mr ripley
Vsync is not checked and the tearing I see is when I turn to look in oppisite direction. That is the real reason why I am upping the power supply. I just want to keep both vid cards running at optimum preformance. :neener:
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That sniley wasn't directed at you mr ripley I'm doing this from my droid and I must have hit something on the screen
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See Rule #4
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Mr ripley
Vsync is not checked
Perhaps you mean the 'disable vsync' option is not checked in AH2? What about driver level? If you get tearing there aren't much options - you don't have vsync. I read video card(s) - There is a known problem with SLI drivers disabling vsync and you most likely have hit that.
While there is a small chance your power supply is causing your problems, the first sign you're most likely to see from power problems is total system instability. So make sure you need one before you waste your money.
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Well like I said I will let you know what happens when I change out PSU
Thanks
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