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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: jamusta on January 26, 2011, 04:41:13 PM
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The ava used to be a great place to fly. I started flying around 2002 in there. Some years ago it went into decay. My only goal is to give the best fight i can. The settings dont bother me at all. I dont mind you and your squad flying together using wingman tactics. 1 v 1 great. 2 v1 i still had a good time. 3 v1 well hey maybe lone picker. 4 v 1 wth. 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill? If you just want to kill relinquish the ava and go to the da.
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Jamusta,
I am as guilty as anyone. I will step up and admit that when I am working well with a group of wingmen, against multiple targets I am at the height of my online enjoyment. I blame Puma, (JUST KIDDING).
It is a thing of beauty to see Puma and Jappa do there thing. Flip back a few months and look at some of their screen shots, you will see how tight they fly.
What I can say, is that sometimes you do get to be the windshield.
Another suggestion, try and convince your fellow countrymen to "FLY SMART". Check the dar, dots are made apparent for a reason in the arena. If you have 3 enemy cons grouped in a sector, circle your wagons. What I see time after time, is even numbers on the roster, and one country getting picked off one at a time. What begins even, will quickly end heavily outnumbered. I try and communicate my intentions to my countrymen, "going left..... he's past me and going up". "I have two cons my high 2 oclock, I am extending left".
With this kind of communication, and wingmen that are trying to clear your six and set up shots for you, it becomes a quick paced furball, with the results going in favor of the most innovative pilots not necessarily the best pilots or aircraft.
For example landing kills in Razorbacks, P40s, and P39 Cobras against higher performance aircraft is something that adds that historical feel to the arena. In the Main Arena, they tried to bring in Early and Mid war aircraft only. The problem is (I know Jimson will back me on this one), flying a F4F 4 against another F4F 4 has no tactical advantage, and really doesn't show these birds in the light in which they operated.
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Just left the ava and that was how it should always be.. No more than 2 v 1 i flew by many fights. I even watched a friendly die cus he didnt answer my call if he wanted assistance. If engaged and the nme is being ganged call yourself off and find another fight. u cant control others but you can control you.
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Jam give it a few more shots.
I'm a simply horrible cartoon airplane flyer but I think this arena is the most fun. I'll be in in about 30 minutes with a big grin on my face and doing my best to keep the pointy end going the right direction.
I think the place has improved immensely.
Last night was an aberration in my book.
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Jam give it a few more shots.
Jamusta is one of the Good People. We want him here. He had an ugly experience on his first night back, but a good experience today. Life evens out, it will be pleasant to have him back again.
- oldman
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OM we go way back so i created a new thread cus i owe you that much...
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Hey Jam, stick with it bud...the AVA needs more like you. We go back a ways too.
I'm not there as much as I wish, but it is a good group and there have been changes, some good, some bad..but it is still home.
Come back to the fold...the sheep miss you <G>
RTR
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Gotcha there Jam....maybe we need to start a squad of all us old CT scavengers?
I'll send you an invite.
In the mean time give it a whirl <G>
RTR
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i honestly have to say. once im engaged against 2 or more contacts i consider it a challenge for me to overcome :aok If i get out of it alive and hopefully with their carcasses behind me i know that my skills have improved. If i didnt, then i need to improve :aok
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4 v 1 wth.
5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill?
can understand why you posted what was edited/erased now.....
but if you listen to some...... you might be able to see those unidentified dots easier if you "DUMB" down your graphic settings ... drop your resolution to 1024 x 768 or 800 x 600 and turn off all the eye candy..... but when I first heard this I was thinking, why would anyone want to go back to 1995 or there abouts game graphics???? so they can see the enemy better???? or in my opinion that is just being gamey the same as when people would turn their gama up at night time to see GV's or planes inthe air........ the whole idea of no icons for the ones who like it or demanded it was because it makes them feel more immersion.... but at least some finally came around to agreeing and admitting that no icons is no better than icons when it comes down to neither being more realistic than the other.....
as far as having a bad night, jamusta...... everyone will experience oneof those in most any arena.... and it has not been the norm to experience these actions in the AvsA that I am aware of......
I am glad oldman spoke up for you in that other thread, to let all the newer players know you might have had a legitimate gripe.....
most of the newer players that don't know you ,or don't know the older players because they have not seen them online much, or flown when they are own are quick to trash ya, and kick you and your comments in the head... because they know it all and think their watermelon don't stink.....
There is one constant that we all must abide to, or give up......... and that is we all must accept that the game and the game play changes from months to months, from year to year, from decade to decade... we either have to change with it and keep finding ways to enjoy the game and not get stuck on how it used to be... or us old salty dogs wil just become miserable and end up quitting altogether.......
and if the latter happens... then the game play and the way the current crop of players goes about things, just becomes worse over time.... for there is none of the old guard to teach and guide and mold the new comers..... or at least try to hand down good game etiquette standards......
my thoughts anyways....
give the AvsA another try, Jam..... at least check it out a few different times.....
:cheers: and welcome back
TC
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The new AvA regulars are not necessarily a bunch of noobs, some of them have many years in AH and are just now enjoying the "somewhat rebirth" of the arena, others have come over from many years other sims.
Some, like me have only been around a couple of years and still suck quite badly. LOL
The common thread is that most are early to late middle age and have an historical interest.
Hearing something along the lines of "The AvA sucks, scrooo you guys!" immediately throws folks on the defensive, although it's quite natural to be more critical than constructive after a bad time, and I've stepped in the mud in my posts and replies many times for this reason.
Each night may not be like another and it's worth it to try it a few different times.
I had more fun on Wednesday than I did on Tuesday.
Like a squaddie of mine recently said, the arena seems to be going through some "growing pains," and that's probably better than the alternative.
:salute
jimson
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The new AvA regulars are not necessarily a bunch of noobs, some of them have many years in AH and are just now enjoying the "somewhat rebirth" of the arena, others have come over from many years other sims.
Some, like me have only been around a couple of years and still suck quite badly. LOL
The common thread is that most are early to late middle age and have an historical interest.
Hearing something along the lines of "The AvA sucks, scrooo you guys!" immediately throws folks on the defensive, although it's quite natural to be more critical than constructive after a bad time, and I've stepped in the mud in my posts and replies many times for this reason.
Each night may not be like another and it's worth it to try it a few different times.
I had more fun on Wednesday than I did on Tuesday.
Like a squaddie of mine recently said, the arena seems to be going through some "growing pains," and that's probably better than the alternative.
:salute
jimson
for an FYI....i'm 48, and a repair shop owner(so far with this dam economy). i've been in ah since around 2005 or so. took a 6 month break last year, as i was becoming one of the ones that spent way too much time "stirring" the pot in midwar. it wasn't fun at all.
when i came back, i flew there quite a bit.......even went to latewar once or twice to fly with my squadies. i tried the ava one night, because even in midwar, it seemed as if all of the latewar alt monkeys, gangers, and ho'ers had come in. boring wasn't the word for that. i popped into the ava, found a fight.....which suprisingly i won, then got my bellybutton handed to me by shifty....then went and blew things up.......then lost some more fights. i'm hooked.
the biggest thing about the lack of icons, is keeping camouflaged planes in your sight, when at low altitude. i've lost guys in turnfights, and i've lost guys the same way.
you don't have that bright red "shoot here" banner telling you when to shoot. you have to judge the distance, or learn to use the pipper in your gunsight to judge it.
it's a friggin blast. it brought the game back to life for me. :aok
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you don't have that bright red "shoot here" banner telling you when to shoot. you have to judge the distance, or learn to use the pipper in your gunsight to judge it.
I call those 'killboards' :D
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most of the newer players that don't know you ,or don't know the older players because they have not seen them online much, or flown when they are own are quick to trash ya, and kick you and your comments in the head... because they know it all and think their watermelon don't stink.....
let me correct this part of my post...... I did not mean for it to look like I was talking solely about newer people in the AvsA........
I seriously meant this for all of Aces High in all arenas
noone should take this part personal ( unless you are one of the ones that act the part )....... it is just how some of the new comers act in any arena ......
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The ava used to be a great place to fly. I started flying around 2002 in there. Some years ago it went into decay. My only goal is to give the best fight i can. The settings dont bother me at all. I dont mind you and your squad flying together using wingman tactics. 1 v 1 great. 2 v1 i still had a good time. 3 v1 well hey maybe lone picker. 4 v 1 wth. 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill? If you just want to kill relinquish the ava and go to the da.
I can totally understand where Jamusta is coming from. There have been nights where (it seems) Im the only one upping for my side, only to be fodder for 4-5 enemys. Once OK, Twice OK, Three times, now Im starting to not have fun, Four times and the Text Buffer will read "OK guys not having fun being ganged, Im outta here." Only to have a reply "Hang in there we are sending someone over." Too late Logged.
So not everyone is monitoring the roster to make sure things are kept even.
Just my $.02
<S>
Carver
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If you want to get the numbers up stop ganging. Ganging just chases a potential person from wanting to come into the ava. Im not saying it has to be 1v1. If im the only one upping and there are 5 of you why would all 5 jump in? The jg54 used to do that and chased alot of folks away.
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I thought this was going to be a UFO thread :(
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If you want to get the numbers up stop ganging. Ganging just chases a potential person from wanting to come into the ava. Im not saying it has to be 1v1. If im the only one upping and there are 5 of you why would all 5 jump in? The jg54 used to do that and chased alot of folks away.
when there's ganging to be done, i'm usually on the recieving end.
at first i thought it was my pink flight bra, but upon landing one night, i saw what some of the sapp crewmen wrote on the back of my airplane. it cannot be repeated here, but suffice it to say, it drew those leather liederhosen loving germin pile-its to pile on my poooor pe-38.
:noid :bolt:
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I don't quite agree with the statement that a squad drove folks away. I do recall, very "spirited" taunts on the forums, and The Skuzzinator doing a drive by on a fatboy and sawed off shotgun.
I don't believe we will ever go there again, the guys here now, whether or not they taunt in the game, are normally respectful and pushing for the best kind of experience that anyone could expect during competition.
One thing that might have slipped by you also in your short revisit, both enemy and friendly icons are limited. By the time that you are committed to a fight you are not certain who is who. The time I take pulling out of a 2 on 1 to avoid a 3 on 1, I often find someone on my six. So, it might just be a survival method to keep your friendly icons in sight. (Don't let me get started here).
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when there's ganging to be done, i'm usually on the recieving end.
at first i thought it was my pink flight bra, but upon landing one night, i saw what some of the sapp crewmen wrote on the back of my airplane. it cannot be repeated here, but suffice it to say, it drew those leather liederhosen loving germin pile-its to pile on my poooor pe-38.
:noid :bolt:
A picture of a mug of beer?
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i honestly have to say. once I'm engaged against 2 or more contacts i consider it a challenge for me to overcome :aok If i get out of it alive and hopefully with their carcasses behind me i know that my skills have improved. If i didn't, then i need to improve :aok
This Is the correct point of view in my opinion. This guy has balls ^, spirit, and a winners attitude... Crying about getting ganged is a weak excuse.
If you cant pick yourself up, brush yourself off, and see that you need to engage targets in a different way in the AvA, then its not for you. It doesn't mean it sucks.....
The AvA is for those that enjoy historic set-ups team work,communication, balanced plane sets, and above all, a fun challenge.
Don't wanna get ganged fly smarter.. Blame the dar dots that's the cause of the gaining problem..
The dar dots show people were you are so they kind of make you a magnet, unless your on the deck, hence most are on the deck. Problem is if the dar is off then a whole other set of people start crying :cry with out the precious dar dots.
I'll tell you what, it the dar dots were off the no icon experience in the AvA would be much much more immersing than it is now. Were not there yet, not with the AH community anyway.
If I had it my way I would only show the dots in the tower only,but I don't. I take the arena as its served to me and enjoy it in spite of my personal preferences.
You cant please everyone, and the arena cant be all things to all people like I said before.
You ether like the AvA or you don't. Its your choice to fly were you wish. Why complain about it :headscratch:
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Fly smarter? if im the only one up flying smarter simply means avoiding the fight... So i can either get jumped because 6 souls wants to see who can kill the fastest or just avoid contact... sounds fun
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Your exaggerating. You will get the hang of it ,if you can hang in there long enough. Others can hack it. With your skill, I know you can manage.
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I deleted my last post as I was hoping this would run out of steam.
Why don't we all just consider the good points that were mentioned here, and move forward?
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I deleted my last post as I was hoping this would run out of steam.
Why don't we all just consider the good points that were mentioned here, and move forward?
agreed and I'll hold my tongue with what I truely want to quote and reply to regarding some select comments recently posted
everyone go fly in the Arena :airplane:
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oh look something shiny... *wanders off
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I'll just throw this out there....
Some times the AvA is cool, other times its dweeby
examples
1) I've been there and had great fights against ltCap1 and several others where the fights were good clean fun. :salute cap, you were flying that p39 much better than I could.
2) I've also been there when there was 2 people, who would make a point to fly spit 16s and only fight when they could ho & gang. One would engage while the the other would making hoing passes at you, then they would cheer as if they accomplished something great. Mind you there were only 3 people there me and 2 others. To their credit, I was the only target.
It all comes down to whom is in the AvA. If there are people who are fun to play against, the AvA is great, if there are not its not. Because of the lower numbers, unlike the MA, you can't exert as much discretion on who you fight.
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I'm confused. In the few weeks I've been here I havent seen much piling on by regulars..just my take on it.
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<S> raven, good to see someone understood my aspect of this :aok
and i hope i have cajones :uhoh :bolt:
also <S> jim and TC for the idea of moving foward and away from this thread
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The ava used to be a great place to fly. I started flying around 2002 in there. Some years ago it went into decay. My only goal is to give the best fight i can. The settings dont bother me at all. I dont mind you and your squad flying together using wingman tactics. 1 v 1 great. 2 v1 i still had a good time. 3 v1 well hey maybe lone picker. 4 v 1 wth. 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill? If you just want to kill relinquish the ava and go to the da.
Jamusta,
I find that for the majority of the time the AvA crowd tends to stay pretty much in a 1v1 or 2v1 mindset. The times that I've seen the 1vMany is when new folks come in from the MAs and bring gang mentality with them. I, for one, won't jump into a 1v1 or v2 unless invited or it looks like someone is about to get hammered and doesn't have any mutual support. I thing if you stick with the AvA for a while, you'll see the norm vs the occasional gang tactics (which really aren't tactics at all...... more akin to a bunch of chickens jumping on the same June bug). :salute
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Jamusta,
I am as guilty as anyone. I will step up and admit that when I am working well with a group of wingmen, against multiple targets I am at the height of my online enjoyment. I blame Puma, (JUST KIDDING).
It is a thing of beauty to see Puma and Jappa do there thing. Flip back a few months and look at some of their screen shots, you will see how tight they fly.
What I can say, is that sometimes you do get to be the windshield.
Another suggestion, try and convince your fellow countrymen to "FLY SMART". Check the dar, dots are made apparent for a reason in the arena. If you have 3 enemy cons grouped in a sector, circle your wagons. What I see time after time, is even numbers on the roster, and one country getting picked off one at a time. What begins even, will quickly end heavily outnumbered. I try and communicate my intentions to my countrymen, "going left..... he's past me and going up". "I have two cons my high 2 oclock, I am extending left".
With this kind of communication, and wingmen that are trying to clear your six and set up shots for you, it becomes a quick paced furball, with the results going in favor of the most innovative pilots not necessarily the best pilots or aircraft.
For example landing kills in Razorbacks, P40s, and P39 Cobras against higher performance aircraft is something that adds that historical feel to the arena. In the Main Arena, they tried to bring in Early and Mid war aircraft only. The problem is (I know Jimson will back me on this one), flying a F4F 4 against another F4F 4 has no tactical advantage, and really doesn't show these birds in the light in which they operated.
Chilli,
Good comments! Thanks for the acknowledgement. When Jappa got me hooked on this addiction, he wanted to learn tactical and close formation flying. We read everything we could get our hands on and started practicing a lot and then practiced even more. It took quite awhile to get it down pat and really make it work. To achieve this level of immersion takes comment and dedication. The payoff is a lot of fun and a sense of accomplishment vs ganging up 5v1 and pounding a guy in the dirt (which most everybody will agree doesn't require much skill and is no fun for the "1").
As has been mentioned numerous times before, it's up to how each of use wants to spend our $14.95 a month and what we want to get out of it.
Like you so astutely put it, fly smart (and I'll add sneaky here). Use all the assets available (other aircraft, terrain, sun, sky conditions, etc) to close on your opponent and turn on the guns. By the way, you guys watch out for this Jamusta guy, he's got a laser range finder on that 109 and only takes one or two taters to smack ya in the back O the head. :O. :salute
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I'll just throw this out there....
Some times the AvA is cool, other times its dweeby
examples
1) I've been there and had great fights against ltCap1 and several others where the fights were good clean fun. :salute cap, you were flying that p39 much better than I could.
2) I've also been there when there was 2 people, who would make a point to fly spit 16s and only fight when they could ho & gang. One would engage while the the other would making hoing passes at you, then they would cheer as if they accomplished something great. Mind you there were only 3 people there me and 2 others. To their credit, I was the only target.
It all comes down to whom is in the AvA. If there are people who are fun to play against, the AvA is great, if there are not its not. Because of the lower numbers, unlike the MA, you can't exert as much discretion on who you fight.
thank ya sir!! i appreciate that......the "D" is kinda hard....underpowered and runs outta steam fast.....the "Q".......i likey,. :devil