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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on January 28, 2011, 11:24:23 PM
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Black Flags/Black Sheep/Black Knights
The end of Japanese Air Power in The South Pacific
Solomon Islands 1943
With the Corsair's now added to the fleet and the P-38 retiring the P-40 and the P-39, American commanders now turn their attention to the IJN transportation fleets. Vunerable, lacking proper AAA protection, the American intelligence intercepts of IJN crypto traffic (now broken and decoded) are being taken advantage of. The results will determine the course for Allied forces as they now squeeze the supply lines to the many IJA forces and Japan herself.
Allied Forces (Bishop - VOX 125)
B-25C
P-38G
F4U-1
F4I-1A
Axis (Knight - VOX 135)
A6M2
Ki-61
G4m Betty
Arena Settings
Base Capture: none
AAA: .25
Fuel: 1.0
Hangar and AAA DT's: 30 mins
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(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/Blackflags.jpg)
This setup is the work of CAP1 and his very first time to submit one.
Best of luck CAP!
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thaaaaank ya sirs!!!!
i hope this one works, as i think i made it a bit lopsided.......i'll be in the japanese stuff in necessary to give the corsairs and lightnings something to shoot at. :aok
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thaaaaank ya sirs!!!!
i hope this one works, as i think i made it a bit lopsided.......i'll be in the japanese stuff in necessary to give the corsairs and lightnings something to shoot at. :aok
If it gets too lopsided you can always tweak the planeset a bit adding the A6M5.
We'll be flying Japanese this week to help you and give the B38 pilots and Navy guys something to shoot at. ;)
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Looking forward to it thanks cap and fork :aok
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you forgot the PT's :P
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i had a LOT of help/advice from shifty too.
thanks for the help sir!
:aok
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How is it lopsided? Plane set wise? the Ki61 is more than capable in this set up.. just wont be able to catch anyone
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How is it lopsided? Plane set wise? the Ki61 is more than capable in this set up.. just wont be able to catch anyone
i could be wrong. the fact that the corsairs and lightnings can disengage anytime they like to reset is a huge advantage though.
all i really care about, is that you all enjoy it. :aok
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i could be wrong. the fact that the corsairs and lightnings can disengage anytime they like to reset is a huge advantage though.
all i really care about, is that you all enjoy it. :aok
The F4U-1A might be faster on the acceleration than the Ki-61..... but the birdcage F4U ( F4U-1 ) is a different story, unless it is diving away ..
The Ki-61 is close to the F4U-1A in the Climb with the F4U-1A slightly being better
Now the Ki-61 walks the Dog when climbing against the older F4U-1...... and can easily climb out on the older F4U-1 from sea level all the way up to around 15 or 16K alt.
makes for a good battle Ki-61 verses either F4U series in this setup...... and the P38G will have a close fight as well. the Ki61 with WEP vs the P38G is almost equal in the climb, but drops off without the use of wep
The Ki-61 with WEP is very close to the P38G in speed as well...... although just a bit slower.... .... even more slower on regular mil power. but it is slow close it will be up to the pilots more so than the performance of the Aircraft....
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The F4U-1A might be faster on the acceleration than the Ki-61..... but the birdcage F4U ( F4U-1 ) is a different story, unless it is diving away ..
The Ki-61 is close to the F4U-1A in the Climb with the F4U-1A slightly being better
Now the Ki-61 walks the Dog when climbing against the older F4U-1...... and can easily climb out on the older F4U-1 from sea level all the way up to around 15 or 16K alt.
makes for a good battle Ki-61 verses either F4U series in this setup...... and the P38G will have a close fight as well. the Ki61 with WEP vs the P38G is almost equal in the climb, but drops off without the use of wep
The Ki-61 with WEP is very close to the P38G in speed as well...... although just a bit slower.... .... even more slower on regular mil power. but it is slow close it will be up to the pilots more so than the performance of the Aircraft....
thank ya sir. that seems to make it a closer match than i thought. that also means it should be massive fun for all involved.
only thing forgotten, was the pt boats. i was stirring the rusty wheels thinking of some sort of off the wall massive pt boat raid. :devil
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*coughptboatscough*
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i could be wrong. the fact that the corsairs and lightnings can disengage anytime they like to reset is a huge advantage though.
all i really care about, is that you all enjoy it. :aok
Congratulations CAP1! I can't wait to jump in~ I'll be back weds!
Where are the P-47's?! Poor neglected children...The 5th AAF operated them and they were active out of Port Moresby, New Guinea, 23 Jun 1943; Finschhafen, New Guinea, 16 Dec 1943~ It would give something for the Ki's to shoot at!
Cheers~ Seadog36
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NO NO NO!!!! Can't fly them and can't fly against them ;)
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Congratulations CAP1! I can't wait to jump in~ I'll be back weds!
Where are the P-47's?! Poor neglected children...The 5th AAF operated them and they were active out of Port Moresby, New Guinea, 23 Jun 1943; Finschhafen, New Guinea, 16 Dec 1943~ It would give something for the Ki's to shoot at!
Cheers~ Seadog36
i just didn't wanna overkill on the allied side.
i, or one of us will work on one for the jugs.
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NO NO NO!!!! Can't fly them and can't fly against them ;)
p-47's are easy.....as long as the guy flying it doesn't know what he's doing. :bolt:
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i just didn't wanna overkill on the allied side.
i, or one of us will work on one for the jugs.
I figured so much~ had a blast in flying them in Ranger's Strangle, and we have them in this FSO too.
Just couldn't not say something~ they were more New Guinea then the Solomons really, Congrats again CAP1!
Oh, and they "are" easy targets in the wrong hands or low and slow in a zeek/Ki furball...
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p-47's are easy.....as long as the guy flying it doesn't know what he's doing. :bolt:
Take a 109 against Carver and bring your lunch ;)
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So far (One afternoon), GGGGreeeeatt setup. I havent flown the Corsairs very much but the 1a is a reaally sweet ride. Well done AvA staff for this one. The 61 appears to be a capable foe for the American planeset. Keep up the good work and see you all in the skies.
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Carver
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You do me too much credit Sir, I was flying the Pony Bravo aginst you the other night, its our squad ride too, so maybe an unfair advantage.
PS I absolutely suck in the Jug.
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Carver
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I figured so much~ had a blast in flying them in Ranger's Strangle, and we have them in this FSO too.
Just couldn't not say something~ they were more New Guinea then the Solomons really, Congrats again CAP1!
Oh, and they "are" easy targets in the wrong hands or low and slow in a zeek/Ki furball...
i'll do some research. i may end up hittin ya up for help. but i kinda like the pacific arena, since we mostly do european theaters. i'll see if i can do another one, and give it to the admins for approval. it should be fun. :aok
and thanks!!
i only REALLY hope everyone enjoys it.
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Take a 109 against Carver and bring your lunch ;)
i've fought carver.......he's an excellent stick. i was in a 39d vs his zeek. i lost. :cry
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You do me too much credit Sir, I was flying the Pony Bravo aginst you the other night, its our squad ride too, so maybe an unfair advantage.
PS I absolutely suck in the Jug.
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Carver
regardless you are a worthy adversary <S>
you were kicking me around like left over lunch last night :D
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The F4U-1A might be faster on the acceleration than the Ki-61..... but the birdcage F4U ( F4U-1 ) is a different story, unless it is diving away ..
The Ki-61 is close to the F4U-1A in the Climb with the F4U-1A slightly being better
Now the Ki-61 walks the Dog when climbing against the older F4U-1...... and can easily climb out on the older F4U-1 from sea level all the way up to around 15 or 16K alt.
makes for a good battle Ki-61 verses either F4U series in this setup...... and the P38G will have a close fight as well. the Ki61 with WEP vs the P38G is almost equal in the climb, but drops off without the use of wep
The Ki-61 with WEP is very close to the P38G in speed as well...... although just a bit slower.... .... even more slower on regular mil power. but it is slow close it will be up to the pilots more so than the performance of the Aircraft....
Thanks TC I agree the KI-61 is a good bird to matchup against both F4Us and the early Lightning.
Most of the concerns for a lopsided setup were for the A6M2.
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JG1 has changed into our 201st Kokutai uniforms for the week. :salute
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp46/ansel07/japanese_flag1.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWAwrMFtSvM
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JG1 has changed into our 201st Kokutai uniforms for the week. :salute
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp46/ansel07/japanese_flag1.jpg)
Glad you found the pink bows for us. I would have hated to go into battle without my pink bow. :(
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Nice find Jim. :aok
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And they say only 'real men' fly Luftwaffe....
I think I'll have to reconsider my opinion of you 'gentlemen'...LOL
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I enjoyed the set up and had a good time getting my arss handed to me in the Ki man I stink in that thing.
I tried to lean how it shall fights last night in a flaps turning fights against f4u bad idea... got owned. Is going to be fun learning a new Ac.
The puffy aKK was a bit crazy and the ships were doing a great job maneuvering off road on the beaches. But over all the base to base action and plane set is fun.
I personally like the terrain and set up
Thank you guys :aok
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I enjoyed the set up and had a good time getting my arss handed to me in the Ki man I stink in that thing.
I tried to lean how it shall fights last night in a flaps turning fights against f4u bad idea... got owned. Is going to be fun learning a new Ac.
The puffy aKK was a bit crazy and the ships were doing a great job maneuvering off road on the beaches. But over all the base to base action and plane set is fun.
I personally like the terrain and set up
Thank you guys :aok
is there a way that we can turn down the puffy? or maybe turn it off all together?
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I'm no Pro but I think if you turn off the Akk that would promote carrier camping. I think its needed.
It didn't kill me and it was immersing ,there was just allot of it when the ships were around.
Is there a way to limit or controll tasking and set it to prevent ships from getting to close to the air fields?
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The best thing to do would be move the fleets out of the area and keep them there./ Or maybe just keep one that rotates in and out.
Even if you turn the ack down on the CVs the tracers and puffy are going to be a constant finger pointing towards Allied aircraft.
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i had wanted it in there for a bit more immersion. i didn't want anyone to be able to use them to hide in, or try to lure someone else into it for an easy kill ala ma style.
maybe if we had it loop through as you suggested, that would/could be a bit more realistic?
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i had wanted it in there for a bit more immersion. i didn't want anyone to be able to use them to hide in, or try to lure someone else into it for an easy kill ala ma style.
maybe if we had it loop through as you suggested, that would/could be a bit more realistic?
Yeah why not try cutting down on the number of TFs and have one or at the max two looping through the area.
Just an idea CAP.
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send them just north of bermuda and let the aliens have em ;) :t
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I like the carrier groups inbetween the bases just for the immersion, but it does make it easy to find the bad guys.
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Puffy Ack no problem so what if ya have a few extra bullet holes in your wing besides I like flying thru the smoke in the sky :) Other then that Killer Set up Cap just need to see ya there hahahahahaha I should be in later tonight to turn and burn my zeke or 38g hopefully my aim gets better could not hit the broadside of a barn yesterday.
Crazy8s
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same here... I've been shooting behind people all week grrrrrr :bhead
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Ki-61 in AH is really a second half of 1944 fighter and shouldn't really be in a 1943 setup, but I guess as a substitute for the actual 1943 Ki-61s it has to do.
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Since Karnak brought it up. :confused:
The best that the arena could offer is "historically inspired" setups. The staff takes the time to research the time periods and give a glimpse of some of the more "fun" matchups. Karnak probably has some very valid points. Maybe the damage model / fuel tanks, performance, etc. would not be the same animal.
I wouldn't want to see the early model zeke in it alone. I kept running out of cannons thinking, wow that was quick. Mainly used to the later model zeke ammo. My zeke with no cannons, I basically have to harrass an enemy to the ground. :D
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Since Karnak brought it up. :confused:
The best that the arena could offer is "historically inspired" setups. The staff takes the time to research the time periods and give a glimpse of some of the more "fun" matchups. Karnak probably has some very valid points. Maybe the damage model / fuel tanks, performance, etc. would not be the same animal.
I wouldn't want to see the early model zeke in it alone. I kept running out of cannons thinking, wow that was quick. Mainly used to the later model zeke ammo. My zeke with no cannons, I basically have to harrass an enemy to the ground. :D
sometimes that in itself is fun. since i know how annoying it sounds....like someone's pelting me with spitballs.........i can get pleasure out of hitting them the same way. :devil
i hadn't realized our ki61 was a later war ride. but then again, as you said....if only the zeek.....it'd be a cartoon bloodbath.
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sometimes that in itself is fun. since i know how annoying it sounds....like someone's pelting me with spitballs.........i can get pleasure out of hitting them the same way. :devil
i hadn't realized our ki61 was a later war ride. but then again, as you said....if only the zeek.....it'd be a cartoon bloodbath.
Most of the old timers are aware of that our Ki-61 is the KI-61 I KAIc. However since we don't have the Ki-61-I-Hei that the 68th and 78th Sentais flew in New Guinea or the KI-43, or even the KI-44 which some VF-17 pilot's reported kills of..Everybody is just going to have to squint a little and bear it. :D Unless you want the Allies fighting empty air. Plus it's not like the KI-61 is over powering the arena especially with me at the controls. This is a good setup you have going CAP. It shows the how the early Zeke was getting long in the tooth when the Corsairs and Lightnings started arriving. The KI-61 is a good match against the Corsair and Lightning. The Corsair is out running and out turning the KI-61 at low speed. The Lightning is out climbing the KI 61 and both have a better punch firepower wise than the Tony. It's a pretty balanced setup with a slight advantage to the Allies as a PTO during this time frame should be. There's not an over abundance of fighter types in the setup so the Corsair Lightning Zeke and Tony are all getting to show off their strong suits and their short comings vividly. The fights are fun and brutal with both sides using their strengths to try and take advantage of their enemies weakness. You don't get too see this as clearly in one of the everyday let's put everything in the air that flew in that year type setups. Hopefully folks will take advantage of it and try the planes on both sides. By the way a Big SALUTE to the 20th FG for the way they are splitting up and balancing the arena.
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I appreciate the effort made regardless that things arent "exactly" the way it would have been 68-69 years ago. We are restricted to plane sets that are in the existing AH planeset. One of the things that I really dig is that it isnt always 2 pm in the AvA arena. Could be dusk or dawn, could have cloud cover or moderate to high winds, these factors add a truer sense of "sim" to the arena. Keep it up, but you'd be preaching to the choir.
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Carver
PS. Bring back night time, nothing more fun then chasing your own shadow around for 7 minutes lol.
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I appreciate the effort made regardless that things arent "exactly" the way it would have been 68-69 years ago. We are restricted to plane sets that are in the existing AH planeset. One of the things that I really dig is that it isnt always 2 pm in the AvA arena. Could be dusk or dawn, could have cloud cover or moderate to high winds, these factors add a truer sense of "sim" to the arena. Keep it up, but you'd be preaching to the choir.
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Carver
PS. Bring back night time, nothing more fun then chasing your own shadow around for 7 minutes lol.
i had thought about adding wind, and a low cloud cover, but took some advice, and left them out for this one.
i didn't see any night time last night, but that was something i had wanted to happen for 5 minutes or so every hour......night fighting over the water is fun.
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One thing I think everybody needs to keep in mind is that 'balance' is often impossible to achieve especially with the limited plane sets we have available to us. But 'balance' wasn't really something each side strove for in every time frame during WWII. The last three setups favored the allies and I'm not griping in any way shape or form :D. I just try to figure out what I can do in what I'm in and try to use that to my advantage. So far with not much luck but *shrug* it's all about the good fight right?
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although i'm flying the 38g right now........and i'm flying a little consertive, to give me time to get accustomed to the trackir.......one thing i normally like to do, is to fly the harder plane and try to make it do crap it wasn't designed to do. like a p-39d turning with a zeek. or a p-38 turning with a zeek.
it's fun. it was fun doing this set up, and i am happy beyond belief that everyone seems to like it. THAT alone makes it worth the time.
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It's a good setup CAP and been having fun flying it this week <S>
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you did a great job bud <S> :aok
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honestly.....it's you guys, and everyone that comes in and has a blast that makes it a good set up. :aok
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I got lucky tonight but I gotcha once :t
I love shooting down bombers ;)
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I got lucky tonight but I gotcha once :t
I love shooting down bombers ;)
i thought i was doin better. i'm getting the feel for the trackir, but i get disoriented when trying to stay purely vertical. i let the plane fall on its side at least 3 times trying that..........
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were you rollin film?
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were you rollin film?
yea, but for one small problem. with the trackir, there are no view changes shown. :cry :bhead
guess i'm gonna be buyin the full version of fraps finally.
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I like Growler Cam. It should have a free version also. Growler Software
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hhmm....i'll check them out too
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yea, but for one small problem. with the trackir, there are no view changes shown. :cry :bhead
guess i'm gonna be buyin the full version of fraps finally.
when you get a chance shoot me the file :D
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I like Growler Cam. It should have a free version also. Growler Software
i was just on growlers website....the recorder hasn't been updated since 2007? how's it work? good? will it work with vista?
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that doesn't look bad for $20
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I hope it plays well with Vista. I just liked all the editing tools, and previews.
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It's a great setup Cap! I really dig the PTO's and I don't think we get enough of them.....But I'm extremely biased! LOL :devil
I think the matchup is actually very good. I don't see that many Tony's in the MA and didn't respect it and as a result didn't fight it well....Chilli and Cheese turned me in to nachos's last night lol.
I haven't been in AvA in waaayyy too long and totally forgot how to judge the no-icon thing too until those guys were practically sitting in my back seat hitting me w/their cannon barrels like a
baseball bat!!!
If I had my way we could leave this one up permanently...Maybe add a couple planes.........Hmmmmmm why doesn't AH add a PTO Arena??!?!?!?!.......I'm sure it's already been thought out....
:salute
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I have to say I was a bit disappointed when my 109's went away.
But I have been having an absolute blast in this room, CAP. Good work!
Cheese
PS. All we need is some bloke to call himself 'Fries', and we'll have "Chilli Cheese Fries" in the AvA LOL
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I have to say I was a bit disappointed when my 109's went away.
But I have been having an absolute blast in this room, CAP. Good work!
One of the nicest features of AvA, IMHO, is that it forces you to fly planes that you otherwise probably never would fly. The Tony is one of the better examples, but the 39Q, the P40E, the 202, the La5...there's a bunch....are pretty girls home alone on a Saturday night in the MAs and DA. The people who only fly here if their favorite plane is enabled are missing out on some very enjoyable experiences.
- oldman
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I have to say i been having fun all week and also got say that the Tony makes a nice dive attack plan I had someone in the cv fleet shelling our home land out and upped numerous times amd was able to sink a ship after egging it once then coming back around and strafing it. I also had some good battles earlier against the V17 crew and actually enjoyed the 2vs1 cause i gave them a work out with my zeke.
Salute all been a fun week there
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38s for the dominate! :aok
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38s for the dominate! :aok
not with me flyin em.
need spare parts for yours? look around nw of a21. :noid
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One of the nicest features of AvA, IMHO, is that it forces you to fly planes that you otherwise probably never would fly. The Tony is one of the better examples, but the 39Q, the P40E, the 202, the La5...there's a bunch....are pretty girls home alone on a Saturday night in the MAs and DA. The people who only fly here if their favorite plane is enabled are missing out on some very enjoyable experiences.
- oldman
What he said! Right on, Oldman! :aok
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it is also why i went with a somewhat early war set. the early war planes are massive fun, and very underutilized.
i gots another up me sleeve........ :devil
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Bring it on.... :aok :aok