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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JUGgler on February 04, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
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Was gonna bump a thread by lilmak on this but chose not to, although I too think somehow letting the community know who the moderators are would at leat give the community confidence that they weren't muted by someone who was "egging" them on.
I consistantly see texts such as this, FU, STFU, sweety, F^%K OFF, LMFAO and many "covert statements that are designed as under handed insults, many many many such as directly insulting ones family, mother, wife in a way that does not include "direct vulgar words" yet are every bit as insulting, and EVERYONE can read between the lines.
Now with all that said I am plenty guilty of anecdotal insults, remarks and challenges. Let me be clear
I AM NOT INNOCENT OF THIS BEHAVIOR
But there seems to be a lack of fairness in this system, last night a certain "v" was spewing many offhanded insuts around on 200 to include ALL of the examples I've stated above. I replied in an offhanded fashion and was immediately muted for 10 minutes, this particular"v" continued spewing on 200 for easily another 1/2 hour don't know if he logged or was finally muted. My reply contained NO vulgar words but was insulting in the same way as said "v" was texting.
Now if I get muted I OWN it I have no problem with consiquences to my actions, but I am starting to think there may be a couple mods who maintain a grudge or are "unequal" in their decision making process for whom they will mute.
At the minimum it would be nice that when you get muted the prompt includes the tag of the moderator so at least you know IF it was the moderator who was "instigating" the 200 spew!
JUGgler
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It seems to be a fair enough request. +1 I won't go into my rant of the crap talk is unnecessary because at least you owned it Sir.
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Way
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They need more mods, much of the childishness going on is proof positive.
That is one job I wouldn't want, having to baby sit my own kids is enough. Policing the TA can be bad enough sometimes...
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Was gonna bump a thread by lilmak on this but chose not to, although I too think somehow letting the community know who the moderators are would at leat give the community confidence that they weren't muted by someone who was "egging" them on.
I consistantly see texts such as this, FU, STFU, sweety, F^%K OFF, LMFAO and many "covert statements that are designed as under handed insults, many many many such as directly insulting ones family, mother, wife in a way that does not include "direct vulgar words" yet are every bit as insulting, and EVERYONE can read between the lines.
Now with all that said I am plenty guilty of anecdotal insults, remarks and challenges. Let me be clear
I AM NOT INNOCENT OF THIS BEHAVIOR
But there seems to be a lack of fairness in this system, last night a certain "v" was spewing many offhanded insuts around on 200 to include ALL of the examples I've stated above. I replied in an offhanded fashion and was immediately muted for 10 minutes, this particular"v" continued spewing on 200 for easily another 1/2 hour don't know if he logged or was finally muted. My reply contained NO vulgar words but was insulting in the same way as said "v" was texting.
Now if I get muted I OWN it I have no problem with consiquences to my actions, but I am starting to think there may be a couple mods who maintain a grudge or are "unequal" in their decision making process for whom they will mute.
At the minimum it would be nice that when you get muted the prompt includes the tag of the moderator so at least you know IF it was the moderator who was "instigating" the 200 spew!
JUGgler
For the record I would like to state I was NOT the "V" in question. My explatives are exclusively vox range/squad channel. :D
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I have never been muted in game or disabled from these boards in the twelve years I have paid to play here. Came close once or twice, but always managed to stay on the right side of the line.
It has been frustrating to me personally over these last few years to see such low quality character behavior from such a wide and diverse group of people. The culture of smack talk and the pride taken by so many in its application on internet forums and in MMO games, especially this game, is a truly regrettable phenomenon.
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-1 No need to know who the mods are. Not knowing when a mod is on is important, not knowing who they are keeps them safe from verbal attacks. If you feel like you were unfairly muted, you can always e-mail HTC for an explination.
Otherwise, don't forget to use the .report function.
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I've never been muted But I would also like to know who the mods are...
Can we start chanting
"Reveal the Mods"
*looks for rock to throw*
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Was gonna bump a thread by lilmak on this but chose not to, although I too think somehow letting the community know who the moderators are would at leat give the community confidence that they weren't muted by someone who was "egging" them on.
I consistantly see texts such as this, FU, STFU, sweety, F^%K OFF, LMFAO and many "covert statements that are designed as under handed insults, many many many such as directly insulting ones family, mother, wife in a way that does not include "direct vulgar words" yet are every bit as insulting, and EVERYONE can read between the lines.
Now with all that said I am plenty guilty of anecdotal insults, remarks and challenges. Let me be clear
I AM NOT INNOCENT OF THIS BEHAVIOR
But there seems to be a lack of fairness in this system, last night a certain "v" was spewing many offhanded insuts around on 200 to include ALL of the examples I've stated above. I replied in an offhanded fashion and was immediately muted for 10 minutes, this particular"v" continued spewing on 200 for easily another 1/2 hour don't know if he logged or was finally muted. My reply contained NO vulgar words but was insulting in the same way as said "v" was texting.
Now if I get muted I OWN it I have no problem with consiquences to my actions, but I am starting to think there may be a couple mods who maintain a grudge or are "unequal" in their decision making process for whom they will mute.
At the minimum it would be nice that when you get muted the prompt includes the tag of the moderator so at least you know IF it was the moderator who was "instigating" the 200 spew!
JUGgler
i understand your concern.....but rather than coming here, best thing is to send the film or screen shots to htc.
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I would like to know who the mods are, but there is no need for you to know who exactly muted you.
Also Jayhawk makes a very good point, so I have to say -1 for the whole thing.
-1 No need to know who the mods are. Not knowing when a mod is on is important, not knowing who they are keeps them safe from verbal attacks. If you feel like you were unfairly muted, you can always e-mail HTC for an explination.
Otherwise, don't forget to use the .report function.
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Was gonna bump a thread by lilmak on this but chose not to, although I too think somehow letting the community know who the moderators are would at leat give the community confidence that they weren't muted by someone who was "egging" them on.
I consistantly see texts such as this, FU, STFU, sweety, F^%K OFF, LMFAO and many "covert statements that are designed as under handed insults, many many many such as directly insulting ones family, mother, wife in a way that does not include "direct vulgar words" yet are every bit as insulting, and EVERYONE can read between the lines.
Now with all that said I am plenty guilty of anecdotal insults, remarks and challenges. Let me be clear
I AM NOT INNOCENT OF THIS BEHAVIOR
But there seems to be a lack of fairness in this system, last night a certain "v" was spewing many offhanded insuts around on 200 to include ALL of the examples I've stated above. I replied in an offhanded fashion and was immediately muted for 10 minutes, this particular"v" continued spewing on 200 for easily another 1/2 hour don't know if he logged or was finally muted. My reply contained NO vulgar words but was insulting in the same way as said "v" was texting.
Now if I get muted I OWN it I have no problem with consiquences to my actions, but I am starting to think there may be a couple mods who maintain a grudge or are "unequal" in their decision making process for whom they will mute.
At the minimum it would be nice that when you get muted the prompt includes the tag of the moderator so at least you know IF it was the moderator who was "instigating" the 200 spew!
JUGgler
If everyone would keep their discussions clean, there would be no need for a MODERATOR. I play most every night, and continue to see the same 5-8 guys trash talking and using not very well disguised expletives every night. I do not let my kid read 200 when they are on.
The sad part is that most of these guys are adults. I think we need more mods!! There is no reason to know who the mods are If you conduct yourself well in the arenas on channel 200, you should not have to worry about mods banning you.....
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I was warned once and if I remember right, it was for a word that should have no cause for warning.... but it had some of the letters. I have no problem not knowing who the mods are. I think it is important they stay under cover.
I also do not think the .report works except when a group gets together to to mass mute someone.... usually kids doing that from what I have seen of it. Of course we do not see the "goings on" behind the scenes so who knows. It may work fine.
I'm not sure how the .report works but it should summon a mod that is online to watch what is going on at that time. If it just goes to a file on a server to be looked at later it seems it would be less effective and probably not as clear as to what actually was going on. Not to mention a heavy load for one individual to shuffle through.
All in all I think the AH staff does a great job dealing with so many folks.
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I r th3 m0d!
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give me mod powers.....if you guys wanna see muting going on....give em to me........ :devil
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Mods should stay hidden, but I agree there should be a lot more mods on.
If there were more on, the chance of a mod getting away with egging someone on would be slimmers as a 2nd or 3rd mod might be there to mute the first.
I think the mods should also step up their muting, with maybe a server message on 200 saying so and so has been muted. If more people "see" that activness of the mods it might help some people to NOT step over the line.
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I think that revealing the MODS could have unfortunate consequences for those particular moderators, including people attempting to get preferrential treatment, as well as constant attacks from those too immature to deal with authority.
That being said, I wonder if perhaps MORE mods are needed, and the mods do not know who each other is, so a mod can mute a mod if needed, and a public "XXXX has been muted for YYYYY (behavior, language, etc)? I don't play as often as I'd like but I still tend to jump on at least once a week, and 200 just gets... just not right at times.
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I think we should get a list of who the mods aren't.
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Not trying to cause a problem I just think it should be fair and ATM it seems not to be IMO. I was PMd by several peeps with suprise that I was muted for what I had texted, so it is not just me who is thinking this! More mods may be the ticket!
Would be no issue for me IF the instigator had been muted along with me <-- this being my main point!
:salute
JUGgler
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After reading some great reasons for not revealing mods and the potential abuse they would face I now remove my +1. :aok
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Just needs to be more than one Mod on, if it's an obvious infaction then theres no doubt, but if one Mod is instigating/egging it on then the other Mod would be the witness per say to the matter, but the only way that would work is if the Mods don't know who the other Mods are, kinda complicated and unnecessary if people would just respect the channel, but that's wishing to much i guess
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film, dot-report.....
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This reminds me of the people who get pulled over for speeding and want to know why the cop didn't pull over everybody else that was also speeding. If you want to be sure to be treated like everyone else all you have to do is follow the rules. The mods don't have to mute everyone that breaks the rules. The mods are volunteers who are busy playing a game. As long as the mods only mute people who break the rules they are being fair.
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This reminds me of the people who get pulled over for speeding and want to know why the cop didn't pull over everybody else that was also speeding. If you want to be sure to be treated like everyone else all you have to do is follow the rules. The mods don't have to mute everyone that breaks the rules. The mods are volunteers who are busy playing a game. As long as the mods only mute people who break the rules they are being fair.
the trick to speeding, is to have a "rabbit". follow someone about 1/4 mile behind. far enough that the guy up front'll get nailed......too close for an officer to set up between you and him.
apparently that works with redlight cameras too.
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I have never been muted in game or disabled from these boards in the twelve years I have paid to play here. Came close once or twice, but always managed to stay on the right side of the line.
It has been frustrating to me personally over these last few years to see such low quality character behavior from such a wide and diverse group of people. The culture of smack talk and the pride taken by so many in its application on internet forums and in MMO games, especially this game, is a truly regrettable phenomenon.
I'm 100% with you on this Yeager.
And this :
By posting anywhere on this bulletin board, it is assumed all users have read and understand the following posting rules.
4- Flamebaiting, flaming, being abusing, being disrepectful, trolling, spamming or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed. If you cannot make a positive contribution to the thread, then just stay out of it.
This is the abused rule that just leaves me confused as to why more folks do not get suspended priveleges. I see it constantly here on the boards and the same thing on 200. You know what I mean, the guys that does a negative, harrassing post, then when he gets the intended reaction says something like "LOL, I was just trolling you man just to see how upset you would get". Really? Too many of "you" guys seem to get the most pleasure out of annoying your fellow players with smack talk instead of taking your fun from the flying/fighting.
Please stop it. :salute
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I'll agree that .report doesn't seem to be the most effective, but it's all we've got. I know I always have the option to film it, and do on occasion. If it's something like someone cussing on range, I'll report a time or two, then squelch. It's gotta be pretty bad for me to film it.
Whatever ya do, don't get dragged down into it. It's easy to stay above all of that if you choose.
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FLS, I have to disagree. All parties involved in these cuss fests should muted entire. I was pm'd by vEAST the other night for merely vultching him. His CO endorses this behavior so his whoke squad should be treated the same everytime Dallas or East start in. Sooner or later, those types will realize to stop it.
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-1 No need to know who the mods are. Not knowing when a mod is on is important, not knowing who they are keeps them safe from verbal attacks. If you feel like you were unfairly muted, you can always e-mail HTC for an explination.
Otherwise, don't forget to use the .report function.
Disagree completely. Uniformed police officers are more effective than undercover...why? Because undercover are there to CATCH the perp in the act...Uniformed are there to PREVENT the act altogether by being conspicuous. They are mods...they are fully capable of keeping themselves safe from verbal attacks. WADR, that is ridiculous. That job should be represented by people with good judgement and thick skins.
And there is another point...if someone is stupid enough to actually verbally berate a Mod, that player should never be allowed to play this game EVER again...NEVER, EVER, NEVER. Its like attacking a police officer only not as bad, lol.
Ultimately, their undercover status prohibits anyone from reaching out to them for assistance and keeps them from being held accountable, and both are extemely important issues to maintain order.
Changeup
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Disagree completely. Uniformed police officers are more effective than undercover...why? Because undercover are there to CATCH the perp in the act...Uniformed are there to PREVENT the act altogether by being conspicuous. They are mods...they are fully capable of keeping themselves safe from verbal attacks. WADR, that is ridiculous. That job should be represented by people with good judgement and thick skins.
And there is another point...if someone is stupid enough to actually verbally berate a Mod, that player should never be allowed to play this game EVER again...NEVER, EVER, NEVER. Its like attacking a police officer only not as bad, lol.
Ultimately, their undercover status prohibits anyone from reaching out to them for assistance and keeps them from being held accountable, and both are extemely important issues to maintain order.
Changeup
would you take a position as a mod, if everyone knew you were one? knowing that quite a few people would spend all of their time in the game trying their very best to make your online time as miserable as they possibly could?
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You guys are free to apply to become mods and set a new standard in mod performance.
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The only way I'd consider accepting an appointment as a mod anywhere is if they offered the same salary and benefits I have right now at my real job. And I wouldn't want my ID to be known to anyone.
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would you take a position as a mod, if everyone knew you were one? knowing that quite a few people would spend all of their time in the game trying their very best to make your online time as miserable as they possibly could?
Absolutely! They would get muted over and over and over and over! That would pretty much take care of that problem. Skuzzy reviews the tapes of texts when reports are issued and if a Mod sends a report in I would bet my monthly paycheck against yours that he would read the tape and take the appropriate action. Having spoken to him on many embarrassing occasions of my own suspensions, he doesnt like doing it at all...but if someone was attacking a mod??? Guarantee you he would take immediate action and I don't even know Skuzzy.
Changeup
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the arenas would become so quiet on 200 if i were a mod, that i wouldn't be a mod for more than a day or so.......
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Mods. :noid
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You guys are free to apply to become mods and set a new standard in mod performance.
I can't pass the entrance exam...I have a prior record, lmao! But consider this an application if Skuzzy would take it...none of that internet-chase-me poo bothers me one bit...and cleaning up my OWN act would be an immediate priority.
Changeup
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I was muted once :furious ..................but for good reason. Never had a problem since :cool:
What I said was ..............lets just say offensive to all races and creeds. Got a few lol's though. :lol
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Mods. :noid
You owe me a date...
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Disagree completely. Uniformed police officers are more effective than undercover...why? Because undercover are there to CATCH the perp in the act...Uniformed are there to PREVENT the act altogether by being conspicuous. They are mods...they are fully capable of keeping themselves safe from verbal attacks. WADR, that is ridiculous. That job should be represented by people with good judgement and thick skins.
And there is another point...if someone is stupid enough to actually verbally berate a Mod, that player should never be allowed to play this game EVER again...NEVER, EVER, NEVER. Its like attacking a police officer only not as bad, lol.
Ultimately, their undercover status prohibits anyone from reaching out to them for assistance and keeps them from being held accountable, and both are extemely important issues to maintain order.
Changeup
Since the mods are volunteers and simply players, I'm still sticking with no. If there is ever any kind of compensation for someone moderating game-play, then I would understand and probably support them being known. Just look at what it's like when Skuzzy logs in now, 1000 questions about stuff. I think a mod would be faced with a huge workload of, so and so did this, so and so said this, why didn't so and so get muted, if we knew their identity. They would be overloaded with PMs and that would make it difficult for them to even do what they were suppose to in the first place.
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So, I'm working a scenario, checking settings, letting people in and out of the arena, maintaining the clock, doing all the things one does while working a scenario, and I glance up and see a bit of text that just does not belong, and the player is warned for it. Said player mouths off about it, I mute him and get back to work. Don't have time to mess with a kid who can't compose himself in the first place, sure won't waste a minute arguing with them or explaining my actions to him. He did it, his problem, end of discussion.
Now, that's if I am working in an event. Mods in the main arenas are probably just flying. Yet you expect them to sit around doing nothing but babysitting the text buffer making sure everyone is treated fairly in their punishment? I don't envy the ma mods, some of the things you guys come up with in here is beyond belief :rofl
More mods is not the answer, far far more common sense is the answer. Don't do it, problem solved. What happens to someone else is completely irrelevant. You are responsible for your actions and your actions alone.
When was the last time you saw some guy pulled over on the highway and you pulled over and told the cop, Sorry officer, I didn't know you were here and I was speeding also. Wouldn't do that? I thought you wanted everything to be fair?
Give me a break.
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I was muted once :furious ..................but for good reason. Never had a problem since :cool:
What I said was ..............lets just say offensive to all races and creeds. Got a few lol's though. :lol
i don't think i've ever been muted in the game....got a week vacation from here though.
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When was the last time you saw some guy pulled over on the highway and you pulled over and told the cop, Sorry officer, I didn't know you were here and I was speeding also. Wouldn't do that? I thought you wanted everything to be fair?
Give me a break.
What?? The more likely scenario is you see the guy pulled over and EVERYONE has slowed down when passing the cop who has pulled the guy over. In point of fact, SEEING the cop (knowing who the mods are and that they are ONLINE) slows traffic down.
JUG's point is that the 200 buffer exchanges are almost always grouped and if you can see one guy's infraction, you can darn sure see the other guy's; so to use your example, no, when the guy speeding in front of me gets pulled over, I won't stop but I will drive on by and chuckle that he got caught and I didn't (just like the v did, I'm sure, to JUG)...the difference in the two examples is the cop can't multi-task in a vehicle can he?..because if he could like our mods,(mod can see ALL the transgressions and infractions simultaneously) I would have gotten pulled over too and I wouldn't be laughing so hard would I?
Changeup
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...maybe a server message on 200 saying so and so has been muted. If more people "see" that activness of the mods it might help some people to NOT step over the line.
Muting, either auto or mod initiated should be announced to the arena.
+10 for public shaming and possible deterrent
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What?? The more likely scenario is you see the guy pulled over and EVERYONE has slowed down when passing the cop who has pulled the guy over. In point of fact, SEEING the cop (knowing who the mods are and that they are ONLINE) slows traffic down.
JUG's point is that the 200 buffer exchanges are almost always grouped and if you can see one guy's infraction, you can darn sure see the other guy's; so to use your example, no, when the guy speeding in front of me gets pulled over, I won't stop but I will drive on by and chuckle that he got caught and I didn't (just like the v did, I'm sure, to JUG)...the difference in the two examples is the cop can't multi-task in a vehicle can he?..because if he could like our mods,(mod can see ALL the transgressions and infractions simultaneously) I would have gotten pulled over too and I wouldn't be laughing so hard would I?
Changeup
no one slows down when a cop has someone pulled over.....at least not on the highway. they know he's busy, and buzz along on their marry way.
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I'm responsible for my behavior and no one else, just because someone else is mouthing off that doesn't give me the excuse to behave poorly. If I do and I get muted then that's my fault, whether the other guy does or not is irrelevant, one persons bad behavior doesn't justify more bad behavior.
We have tools in place to deal with obnoxious players, we can squelch them, we can report them. In fact I reported a player a few weeks ago for some really over the top rhetoric that was being spewed on 200. Did he get a mute/ban? or did he just decide to take a couple weeks off? I don't know and it really doesn't matter either way I haven't had to listen to him recently.
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no one slows down when a cop has someone pulled over.....at least not on the highway. they know he's busy, and buzz along on their marry way.
You're nuts...argumentum ad argumentum...because on the highway, they never have any other police cars around right?
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ahh...
I judge my flying skills by the number of times someone gets on my vox to cuss me out or pms me with attempts at insults.
more mods... the more difficult it will be for me to know if I'm doing the right moves. :devil
On a more serious level, I'm with changeup here, I myself have experienced the same stuff. Also, when there are other players who I'm just joking around with but others may think I'm being serious. Several playful exchanges between warhed and I have led to me getting muted for example. None of them were actual 'verbal attacks' as we're just messing around, and nothing we are saying is serious by any means.
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So, I'm working a scenario, checking settings, letting people in and out of the arena, maintaining the clock, doing all the things one does while working a scenario, and I glance up and see a bit of text that just does not belong, and the player is warned for it. Said player mouths off about it, I mute him and get back to work. Don't have time to mess with a kid who can't compose himself in the first place, sure won't waste a minute arguing with them or explaining my actions to him. He did it, his problem, end of discussion.
Now, that's if I am working in an event. Mods in the main arenas are probably just flying. Yet you expect them to sit around doing nothing but babysitting the text buffer making sure everyone is treated fairly in their punishment? I don't envy the ma mods, some of the things you guys come up with in here is beyond belief :rofl
More mods is not the answer, far far more common sense is the answer. Don't do it, problem solved. What happens to someone else is completely irrelevant. You are responsible for your actions and your actions alone.
When was the last time you saw some guy pulled over on the highway and you pulled over and told the cop, Sorry officer, I didn't know you were here and I was speeding also. Wouldn't do that? I thought you wanted everything to be fair?
Give me a break.
Agreed. The "mute-everyone-who-deserves-it-or-don't-mute-anyone-at-all" syndrome that keeps popping up on these boards is ridiculously impractical. The mod may not have been logged on when the flame-fest first began, he may have missed some of the trash talk scrolling by on the buffer, he may be trying to make a distinction between actual foul language and merely unpleasant talk. AND he's trying to play the game, too. I can tell you that virtually every time I've muted someone I've gotten this kind of complaint from the muted player and from his friends.
As many have already pointed out, the solution is simple enough. Don't participate in the trash talk and you won't get muted. It isn't rocket science.
- oldman
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What Soulyss said.
I'd be embarrassed if i had to be babysat and have someone else remind me to keep my mouth in check. What's even funnier, is you can't blame it on a slip of the tongue as it's typed and that means you thought it then typed it.
And why is it every time I see the heading "Mods" I want to say "Rockers"? :)
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You're nuts...argumentum ad argumentum.
no i'm not. i've been pulled over enough in the distant past. the police would even make comments about people not even slowing down as i was getting written up. the only thing i do, is to move over a lane so as to give the cop room to move about near the car he's stopped. if it looks like he's just about done, and i'm speeding, then i slow down.......
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Agreed. The "mute-everyone-who-deserves-it-or-don't-mute-anyone-at-all" syndrome that keeps popping up on these boards is ridiculously impractical. The mod may not have been logged on when the flame-fest first began, he may have missed some of the trash talk scrolling by on the buffer, he may be trying to make a distinction between actual foul language and merely unpleasant talk. AND he's trying to play the game, too. I can tell you that virtually every time I've muted someone I've gotten this kind of complaint from the muted player and from his friends.
As many have already pointed out, the solution is simple enough. Don't participate in the trash talk and you won't get muted. It isn't rocket science.
- oldman
I suppose one could argue the exceptions and not the rules....come on guys...you got me...I'm done with this one, lol.
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More mods is not the answer, far far more common sense is the answer.
Unfortunately, common sense in Aces High is not a common virtue. Until then, we need more moderators.
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FLS, I have to disagree. All parties involved in these cuss fests should muted entire. I was pm'd by vEAST the other night for merely vultching him. His CO endorses this behavior so his whoke squad should be treated the same everytime Dallas or East start in. Sooner or later, those types will realize to stop it.
Here we go, turn it into a Devils "V" Brigade smack down!!! If you have a problem with something that was said to you, why dont you report it? Instead, you say nothing and wait for a thread about Moderators to bring this up...
You guys are always complaining about someone that PM's you, yet you fail to report it. Instead you put them up on the BBS to complain. I have several screen shots of my text buffer when some guys sends a nasty PM over something. I do not mention their names on the BBS.. Without film or screen shots, it never happened..
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hope you don't mind the small edit I did to your post Fugitive
I think that HTC should also step up their muting policy, with a server message on 200 saying so and so has been muted. If more people "see" that activness of the mods it might help some people to NOT step over the line.
Muting, either auto or mod initiated should be announced to the arena.
+10 for public shaming and possible deterrent
as Fugitive and ImADot posted..... heck yeah
+ 100 for public SYSTEM Message of who has been warned or muted and maybe even give a short descriptive reason of such punishment...
I think this would go a long way
then again..... I could see it now.. everyone else chiming in with their rib-cutting remarks and laughing at any individual whose name might pop up......
but if others did such dumbfounded remarks or reactions. give them the same treatment.....
I believe it would soon curtail the situation sooner than later.......
and bring out a 3 Strike rule...... if a person gets his gameid plastered in a SYSTEM MESSAGE for being warned or muted 3 times with in a week, he automatically loses his/her text/vox privs for another whole week, automatically......
and also, I wish for HTC to build in a triggering switch in the game/FE to where if the game detects any 3rd party voice software running at same time as Aces high, it auto-removes them from the online arenas...... if they try to circumvent it by logging in the voice program after AH or before either way. the game will disconnect you from the servers......
then see how people will react when they can't have no speech/vox at all, if their name pops up on the list of stoolies that have tripped the 3 strike rule....
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+ 100 for public SYSTEM Message of who has been warned or muted and maybe even give a short descriptive reason of such punishment...
That is a good idea... I can see it now.
SYSTEM: LOUDMOTH has been muted by the moderator.
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The point of muting is stopping unacceptable behavior. There is no need to embarrass the customer.
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It has been frustrating to me personally over these last few years to see such low quality character behavior from such a wide and diverse group of people. The culture of smack talk and the pride taken by so many in its application on internet forums and in MMO games, especially this game, is a truly regrettable phenomenon.
I dove into the Forum mudslinging with both feet when I started. I regret it now. I came to my senses when it got to the point of getting ready for a fist fight.
Over a game? Was I nuts?
Since then, I have tried to keep things in perspective. This is a fun social activity.
would you take a position as a mod, if everyone knew you were one?
I wouldn’t take a moderator position under any circumstance.
The best we can hope for fair application of standards.
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After reading replies I agree with most, maybe I should have said
"If you're gonna mute 1 person for trading jabs on 200" then how about muting ALL involved with said jabbing, as they all are complicit in the continued antagonizing !
:salute
JUGgler
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I've never been muted But I would also like to know who the mods are...
Can we start chanting
"Reveal the Mods"
*looks for rock to throw*
The best reason right there for anonymity.
Not trying to cause a problem I just think it should be fair and ATM it seems not to be IMO. I was PMd by several peeps with suprise that I was muted for what I had texted, so it is not just me who is thinking this! More mods may be the ticket!
Would be no issue for me IF the instigator had been muted along with me <-- this being my main point!
:salute
JUGgler
Are you sure you didn't get mass .report muted by design of a group of like minded, banded together, individuals :noid?
wrongway
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The point of muting is stopping unacceptable behavior. There is no need to embarrass the customer.
FLS, I would initially agree with your statement
but it seems it has gotten to the point that some don't care that they get muted or whatever..... they repeat the offense over and over..... least that is how it is looking by all these different mods threads popping up on these boards more and more frequently these days...
so I figured it should be just like your local nwspaper..... the local paper here reports every small infraction regardless if it is a simple speeding ticket to writing a check that bounces it seems..... ( yes I am exaggerating a wee bit there .... but it is more truth than not )
I maybe a little over the limit with that extra stuff I typed about the "triggering switch" and 3rd part vox software.... but it only take 1 to 2 people minimal to disrupt the entertainment for the many ( many being 10 to 850 )......
and this group will never realize or might be just to lazy to .squelch gameid anyone disrupting their fun........ not gonna happen, except for only a few who are willing to use the feature.....
anyhows.. we all have our views and suggestions for a fix.... I am sure HTC will do it how they see fit to the betterment for HTC and all community members
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The best reason right there for anonymity.
Are you sure you didn't get mass .report muted by design of a group of like minded, banded together, individuals :noid?
wrongway
Didn't think of this, maybe a squad thing ;)
lol
JUGgler
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Didn't think of this, maybe a squad thing ;)
lol
JUGgler
You got the :noid. :aok
I don't know how Mod muting works, but I would assume you would get a warning first.
You probably should have addressed the issue to HTC, Inc. instead of airing it out here.
wrongway
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TC gets where I'm coming from.
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least that is how it is looking by all these different mods threads popping up on these boards more and more frequently these days...
...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :) Granted, an increase of infinity percent over 0, but still, hardly a deluge.
I think a lot of people who are feeling oppressed when they're getting muted and other people aren't might feel a lot better if the way the mod process works was outlined a bit more clearly?
If I'm not mistaken, the basic gist of it is, you can get automuted with no human intervention whatsoever if you type one of the words on the list, right? Then there's the mass .report that can get you muted, which just requires a bunch of players to .report you within a certain timeframe, right? Beyond that, there's actually the mod player who notices you showing your backside on the public channels and mutes you.
It seems to me fairly likely that many of the 'unfair' mutings have been automatic mutes for typing one of the forbidden words or mass .reports. The speed with which those who have been 'wronged' seem to mention seems to indicate to me that it's more than likely the automated system in a lot of cases.
Wiley.
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Wiley, these ppl can't handle logic. Why do you try?
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38.7% of the annoying traffic on 200 is peopel trying police the other 61.3%..
Kind of like here on the boards.
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After reading replies I agree with most, maybe I should have said
"If you're gonna mute 1 person for trading jabs on 200" then how about muting ALL involved with said jabbing, as they all are complicit in the continued antagonizing !
:salute
JUGgler
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...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :) Wiley.
well... I been here for a few years.... I quit wearing a watch and keeping up with days or dates except the extreme important ones.....
my "these days" covers the last 3 or 4 years verses the first 7 to 8 or even 9 years I have ben around here..... just to set my original statement more accurately.... I quickly recall 2 mod threads in as many weeks or months which ever..... and that was just in the General Discussion forum alone...... I am not as on top of things as Lusche is <grin>
I still like the SYSTEM MESSAGE: gameid muted by moderator - reason - because it is HTC's SandBox
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The point of muting is stopping unacceptable behavior. There is no need to embarrass the customer.
Generally the customer as already embarrassed themselves...just sayin
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:rofl ... HiTech will tell you who the Mods are the day he hands the source coad over to you.
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Didn't think of this, maybe a squad thing ;)
lol
JUGgler
JUG,
Skuzzy frowns deeeeeply on mass, organized mutings. After Skuzzy investigates, those involved get muted. Some time ago, someone assisted me in being unmuted by helping me prove that it was an organized mass report. Those involved were all muted after his investigation. If you think you're being mass muted premeditatedly, you should send that in.
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...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :) Granted, an increase of infinity percent over 0, but still, hardly a deluge.
I think a lot of people who are feeling oppressed when they're getting muted and other people aren't might feel a lot better if the way the mod process works was outlined a bit more clearly?
If I'm not mistaken, the basic gist of it is, you can get automuted with no human intervention whatsoever if you type one of the words on the list, right? Then there's the mass .report that can get you muted, which just requires a bunch of players to .report you within a certain timeframe, right? Beyond that, there's actually the mod player who notices you showing your backside on the public channels and mutes you.
It seems to me fairly likely that many of the 'unfair' mutings have been automatic mutes for typing one of the forbidden words or mass .reports. The speed with which those who have been 'wronged' seem to mention seems to indicate to me that it's more than likely the automated system in a lot of cases.
Wiley.
The thread started way back with someone complaing about getting muted for a millenium or something and asking if it seemed fair. Are folks are complaing that the secret mod police have personal bias' against sertain players, and that's why the variation in punishments? If that's the case, the argument about "you broke the rules so you have no complaint" is not valid.
Of course no one has offered proof of such bias. Nor am I making a case that it exists. I just think folks should think a little deeper about the complaints that a handful of anonymous enforcers may not be acting as fair as we would all like them to be. Rejecting those complains as whing may be a mistake at times.
I've stated previously that my position is that verbal abusers like an audience. In which case ignore and .squelch would be more effective than debate and .report.
:salute
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Wiley, these ppl can't handle logic. Why do you try?
If not me... then who?
:)
Seriously though, it's my sincere, idealistic hope that someone will read my post, and in the future if they are muted, they will realize that they were muted for saying F*** on a public channel by the software, not a mod who had let the people go who used fancy %(*% to bypass the filters so they wouldn't get muted.
Also, they might realize that it's a distinct possibility (even likely!) that they were mass .reported, before jumping to the immediate conclusion that HTC has a democrat/republican/American/bish/rook/knight/anti-theirparticularskincolor/anti-theirparticularcountry prejudice and picked on them specifically.
Better yet, it might save them from creating another thread on these forums with the same comments from both sides about the perceived injustices within the game.
I realize it will not reach many people who have a tendency toward doing such things, but I hold out the hope...
well... I been here for a few years.... I quit wearing a watch and keeping up with days or dates except the extreme important ones.....
my "these days" covers the last 3 or 4 years verses the first 7 to 8 or even 9 years I have ben around here..... just to set my original statement more accurately.... I quickly recall 2 mod threads in as many weeks or months which ever..... and that was just in the General Discussion forum alone...... I am not as on top of things as Lusche is <grin>
I still like the SYSTEM MESSAGE: gameid muted by moderator - reason - because it is HTC's SandBox
Heh, fair enough. My 'old days' are measured in months. :) I find it fascinating how little changes over time on these boards. Somebody necrobumped a thread from 2004 the other day where a bunch of people were talking about how the gameplay had deteriorated from the 'good old days', and I could've sworn it was started last week, the way the people in that thread from 2004 were talking.
My counterargument for that would be a) we don't really need more channel spam and b) if they had any shame, they wouldn't be showing their backsides on the public channels, therefore the public shaming would have no effect, QED.
Vinkman- It just seems to me several orders of magnitude more likely that a lot of mutings are due to mass .reports or the automatic system versus a mod who's biased just sitting there waiting to pounce on people who are against his bias. In any case, knowing who the mods are helps nothing, and doing anything other than emailing HTC if you feel you were wrongly muted is pointless, IMO. All it does is disturb a lot of people who then feel the need to jump on the 'Freedom of speech!', 'The mods should be named!', and 'Help! We're being oppressed!' bandwagon.
Wiley.
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Im thinking we will have the plans to the rebel base :ahand and the :noid list of mods in "2 weeks".
:salute
I think if a player gets squelched a message telling the player that the he has been squelched should hit the persons text buffer. Doesn't need to say who did it.
When a MOD mutes a player it should simply say you were muted and for how long. The MOD should have to send in the film for why if the issue comes up from the player as to why it happened. Doesn't have to be country wide in either case.
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I have been muted a few times and even got a week suspension here before.
That goes without saying I think there are highly respected members of Ah that should be considered by Hitechcreations for becoming arena mods.
Say take 1-2 mods from each high traffic time zones to help moderate.
Maybe a few Europeans and some Americans.
These people would be asked by the staff and either they want to or don't...and nobody should know who they are.
200 should be for <S> and saying hello good fight..but that rarely happens and I don't help the cause either sometimes.
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The MOD should have to send in the film for why if the issue comes up from the player as to why it happened. Doesn't have to be country wide in either case.
Call me crazy, but I would be almost willing to eat my hat if HTC doesn't log the public channels already. They'd only need to look at them if there's a complaint, but I'd be very surprised if that's not the case.
Wiley.
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You got the :noid. :aok
I don't know how Mod muting works, but I would assume you would get a warning first.
You probably should have addressed the issue to HTC, Inc. instead of airing it out here.
wrongway
You're absolutely correct, didn't intend this to be a big headache, my apologies to all <S>
JUGgler
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would this be an appropriate time to hijack this thread, and inform you guys that there's a pretty dam cool BoB set up running in the AvA? :devil
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:rofl CAP!
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last night a certain "v" was spewing many offhanded insults around on 200 to include ALL of the examples I've stated above. I replied in an offhanded fashion and was immediately muted for 10 minutes, this particular"v" continued spewing on 200 for easily another 1/2 hour don't know if he logged or was finally muted. My reply contained NO vulgar words but was insulting in the same way as said "v" was texting.
JUGgler
Depends on what V chose to harass you? My self if it was this one I would not complain. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2009-11-03_Jane_Badler.jpg)
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apparently that works with redlight cameras too.
Negative Ghost Rider
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Depends on what V chose to harass you? My self if it was this one I would not complain. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/2009-11-03_Jane_Badler.jpg)
(http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt230/degaston/thats-a-man-baby-austin-powers.jpg)
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:rofl CAP!
DAM.......i forgot the link. :devil :bolt:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,305904.0.html
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Negative Ghost Rider
i only said that, as a friend of mine got nailed by one in deptford nj......he never saw it flash to catch the guy behind him.........
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FLS, I would initially agree with your statement
but it seems it has gotten to the point that some don't care that they get muted or whatever..... they repeat the offense over and over..... least that is how it is looking by all these different mods threads popping up on these boards more and more frequently these days...
so I figured it should be just like your local nwspaper..... the local paper here reports every small infraction regardless if it is a simple speeding ticket to writing a check that bounces it seems..... ( yes I am exaggerating a wee bit there .... but it is more truth than not )
I maybe a little over the limit with that extra stuff I typed about the "triggering switch" and 3rd part vox software.... but it only take 1 to 2 people minimal to disrupt the entertainment for the many ( many being 10 to 850 )......
and this group will never realize or might be just to lazy to .squelch gameid anyone disrupting their fun........ not gonna happen, except for only a few who are willing to use the feature.....
anyhows.. we all have our views and suggestions for a fix.... I am sure HTC will do it how they see fit to the betterment for HTC and all community members
I know that we have a community here and what you suggest is normal community behavior but this is also a business. Embarrassing your customers is bad practice. If it seems like the system should be stricter consider that it's not failing, it's just deliberately erring on the side of leniency.
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The problem with the .report thing is I'm sure Skuzzy has a lot more important things to do than to scan through a bunch of logs to figure out who if anyone was stepping over the line.
With extra Mods, and the server message showing a mute on "so and so" I think would go along way on slowing down the the issues. These days there is very little in the way of "policing" or so it seems and the inmates are running a bit rampant. Erring on the side of leniency is how it's gotten this bad.
As it is now an offender gets muted and is "assumed" they logged or are afk and so the offending person doesn't feel the punishment. With adding their name to the server message it brings that bit of shame and added punishment. I'ts now out there for the world to see, "so and so was an Ahole and got muted for it!"
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This reminds me of the people who get pulled over for speeding and want to know why the cop didn't pull over everybody else that was also speeding.
Cop told me "can't catch all the fish in the pond"
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Call me crazy, but I would be almost willing to eat my hat if HTC doesn't log the public channels already. They'd only need to look at them if there's a complaint, but I'd be very surprised if that's not the case.
Wiley.
No need to eat your hat. There was a thread about 2 years ago where a player claimed he was modded unfairly, and HiTech replied with (Paul Harvey voice) "the rest of the story" from his review of the relevant chat logs including the players squad channel.
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would this be an appropriate time to hijack this thread, and inform you guys that there's a pretty dam cool BoB set up running in the AvA? :devil
What did you say?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/Aces%20High/avajoke.gif)
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I don't agree with the OP, keep the mods identities private. If we can email and get an explination or mroe info, that should be good enough.
At most, an automatic email or in-game message could be sent when a mod bans someone, citing a reson or a moderator ID #. Moderator ID #s I think might help relieve some people's distrust of the confdentiality of the mods, or some form of ID that can be attached to each mod without revealing their in-game or forum ID. This could also be beneficial because a mod could then elect to broadcast an arena-wide message, ie: "HTCMod#5: 200: Last warning guys, next politicaly related remarks get AT LEAST a 3-day mute". Don't have these mods not show up on any list or roster though, that way people can't tell if they're on or not (or AFK).
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What did you say?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/Aces%20High/avajoke.gif)
DOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!
that is friggin awsome!!!!! :aok
you wouldn't mind me re-appropriating that for later use, would ya? :devil
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i only said that, as a friend of mine got nailed by one in deptford nj......he never saw it flash to catch the guy behind him.........
There's a video camera along with the still camera. Ask me how I know. :(
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There's a video camera along with the still camera. Ask me how I know. :(
i figure you either work for the company that runs them, or you're a cop.
my friend said he did go online and watch the video of himself doing it. to me his excuse was that he had his giant-scale zeke in the back of the truck, and he wasn't gonna slam on the brakes.
the thing with these cameras is(to the best of my knowledge) that there is an imaginary box. enter it when the light's red, and you're on candid camera. i don't know how they deal with the right turn on red thing, to avoid ticketing people doing that.
there is also the yellow(
amber) portion of the sequence. i think in nj, by law it has to be yellow for a min. of 3 seconds up to 35mph, and they add 1/10 of a second for every 10mph above 35mph.
there's already been 2(i think) cameras beaten in court, because the timing of the yellow was either too short, or the person was able o prove that the timing has been changed.
thanks to those two fights, the tickets(from what i've heard) come out to you in the mail now at a point when it is too late to try to fight them.
while i don't run red lights, and do agree it is fully wrong, i do not believe in these cameras. they are a revenue generator, and nothing else. read any news article about them, and the first thing the township will brag about is how much they've collected.
if interested in safety, then enforce it manually.
i've seen accidents caused by them, because people stopped at a yellow, when the point they were at they could(and should) have continued right through, and they got nailed by the schmuck that wasn't paying attention.
i understand where they're coming from, but all in all, they are only good for making money for the company that runs them, and the townships that they're located in.
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A few miss conceptions here, please use 2 terms,use the word mute as being locked from talking in 1 arena for a short period of time.
Use blocked as not being locked from talking for 1 week (maby 2 I don't remember the settings).
Only HTC and the .report command can block some one.
The .report command is automatic, if enough people report someone we don't need to be involved. And the person is blocked automatically and immediately. In a way everyone can be a moderator if they use the .report command.
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We will NOT tell who mods are, no one would wish to be a mod, mods are mods for free, they just players like everyone else. They are there simply to handle the stuff they see, and not sit there monitoring every conversation.
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Most times (I had the exact thing happen today when I was moding) players think they were the only one moderated, when in actuality all were warned.
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If you feel you were blocked unfairly or muted unfairly email us, we can check the logs.
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Worry about yourself, not the other guy. Or when you get a ticket does the cop respond well to you telling him "But other people speed also".
HiTech
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Worry about yourself, not the other guy. Or when you get a ticket does the cop respond well to you telling him "But other people speed also".
HiTech
:aok
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Reading the last page is always the best!
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no one slows down when a cop has someone pulled over.....at least not on the highway. they know he's busy, and buzz along on their marry way.
You beat me to it :aok
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Cop told me "can't catch all the fish in the pond"
I've also heard, "Yes, they were ALL speeding. YOU are the one who is having a bad day"
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I've also heard, "Yes, they were ALL speeding. YOU are the one who is having a bad day"
you been to jersey lately? like on 295 going through belmawr, lawnside, cherry hill? where there is perpetual construction? when you go under rt 168, and rt 561.....state troopers have a spot cut out in the fencing. they stand there sometimes with a laser. they have somewhere around a half dozen cars downstream from where they're shooting people.....and they're racking up the fines.
they know they got ya too, as all fines in nj are double in a construction zone.
oh yea....and people are STILL buzzing through there at 60mph to 75mph
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DOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!
that is friggin awsome!!!!! :aok
you wouldn't mind me re-appropriating that for later use, would ya? :devil
my standard disclaimer
'all images posted on this board in public or private messages are free for the use of any player or member of this community. Designer demands no compensation nor acknowledgment of said image. This includes, but is not limited to, jpegs, screenshots, movie clips, animated gifs, standard gifs, etc.. Reuse is at the appropriators own risk.' :D
Back on point. I stay within the 5 mph 'grace speed' and I'm rarely in a hurry to get anywhere. :D
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my standard disclaimer
'all images posted on this board in public or private messages are free for the use of any player or member of this community. Designer demands no compensation nor acknowledgment of said image. This includes, but is not limited to, jpegs, screenshots, movie clips, animated gifs, standard gifs, etc.. Reuse is at the appropriators own risk.' :D
Back on point. I stay within the 5 mph 'grace speed' and I'm rarely in a hurry to get anywhere. :D
I've heard that's one of the benefits of being :old:
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About right..... 1 full second for every 10mph the speed limit is. So the Amber stays amber for 4 seconds at 40mph, and should be 3.5 for 35mph.
i think in nj, by law it has to be yellow for a min. of 3 seconds up to 35mph, and they add 1/10 of a second for every 10mph above 35mph.
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my standard disclaimer
'all images posted on this board in public or private messages are free for the use of any player or member of this community. Designer demands no compensation nor acknowledgment of said image. This includes, but is not limited to, jpegs, screenshots, movie clips, animated gifs, standard gifs, etc.. Reuse is at the appropriators own risk.' :D
Back on point. I stay within the 5 mph 'grace speed' and I'm rarely in a hurry to get anywhere. :D
wanna see something interesting.......check your speed on a gps. the only 2 vehicles i have that are accurate, are my wrangler, and my caravan was before the tranny went kerplunk.
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Worry about yourself, not the other guy. Or when you get a ticket does the cop respond well to you telling him "But other people speed also".
The more accurate analogy would actually be, "But the guy I was following was going faster"
Just saying. :D
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wanna see something interesting.......check your speed on a gps. the only 2 vehicles i have that are accurate, are my wrangler, and my caravan was before the tranny went kerplunk.
My Wrangler is now off by ~5 mph due to the 33" tires. @ 55, I'm actually doing 60.
Haven't had a chance to fix it.
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My Wrangler is now off by ~5 mph due to the 33" tires. @ 55, I'm actually doing 60.
Haven't had a chance to fix it.
mine's dead on.
my dakota is off by about 5mph(it reads slow) at 70mph.....below 40mph it's dead on. my taurus was about 5 to 7 mph off right off the bat.
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A few miss conceptions here, please use 2 terms,use the word mute as being locked from talking in 1 arena for a short period of time.
Use blocked as not being locked from talking for 1 week (maby 2 I don't remember the settings).
Only HTC and the .report command can block some one.
The .report command is automatic, if enough people report someone we don't need to be involved. And the person is blocked automatically and immediately. In a way everyone can be a moderator if they use the .report command.
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We will NOT tell who mods are, no one would wish to be a mod, mods are mods for free, they just players like everyone else. They are there simply to handle the stuff they see, and not sit there monitoring every conversation.
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Most times (I had the exact thing happen today when I was moding) players think they were the only one moderated, when in actuality all were warned.
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If you feel you were blocked unfairly or muted unfairly email us, we can check the logs.
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Worry about yourself, not the other guy. Or when you get a ticket does the cop respond well to you telling him "But other people speed also".
HiTech
JUGgler,
Base on this, I would say you got mass muted my friend. If the other guy kept going with the same rhetorical brewhaha, you probably got the shaftola.
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JUGgler,
Base on this, I would say you got mass muted my friend. If the other guy kept going with the same rhetorical brewhaha, you probably got the shaftola.
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Like I said, maybe just a squad thingy, the more "v"s that hate me the better the game gets IMO ;)
JUGgler
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Like I said, maybe just a squad thingy, the more "v"s that hate me the better the game gets IMO ;)
JUGgler
Understand but its a real No-No in the Book of Skuzzy...that would be abusing the system to which HiTech spoke earlier...report it.
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Mods. :noid
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Mods. :noid
Good call...I like where your head's at...
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