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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Razzor 479th on February 06, 2011, 01:18:08 AM
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Anyone using this stick and if so, how do you like it? Pretty dam nice looking! :x
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.html (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.html)
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Takes some getting used to but it's awsome. Metal stick feels like you can't break it.
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Anyone using this stick and if so, how do you like it? Pretty dam nice looking! :x
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.html (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/x65f.html)
I'm getting mine this week, I was unsure but decided to give it a whirl once I found out the stick didn't actually move.
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I was trying to decide between this Saitek and Thrustmaster's new Warthog setup. The reviews from actual Air Force pilots got me pretty rev'd up about the Thrustmaster. I think my first HOTAS setup was a Thrustmaster; the thing lasted for years.
Here's a review: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/17/thrustmaster-unveils-its-perfect-replica-hotas-warthog-flight-co/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/17/thrustmaster-unveils-its-perfect-replica-hotas-warthog-flight-co/)
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Im not sure I like that the stick doesnt move just senses presure.
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I was trying to decide between this Saitek and Thrustmaster's new Warthog setup. The reviews from actual Air Force pilots got me pretty rev'd up about the Thrustmaster. I think my first HOTAS setup was a Thrustmaster; the thing lasted for years.
Here's a review: http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/17/thrustmaster-unveils-its-perfect-replica-hotas-warthog-flight-co/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/17/thrustmaster-unveils-its-perfect-replica-hotas-warthog-flight-co/)
Ok...Im done shopping....the Warthog will be mine. Wow.
Changeup
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I wonder if you can map the afterburner clicky to wep.. that'd be awesome.... anyone know?
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I wonder if you can map the afterburner clicky to wep.. that'd be awesome.... anyone know?
I didn't find a way yet, because the wep is a button pressure, and there is no button assigned to the click. I eneded up putting some deadband in, so I am at full before the click.
I tried the joystick for 2 weeks, and while I started getting some results and great feeling of the plane (very nice immersion actually), it made the game just too difficult. I had trouble landing just a couple of kills, crappy hit%. After I switched back to a 50€ T16000 I started pilling up kills like mad. I keep using the throttle tho, which is great. Just so you know, pedals are a must with the X65 despite the support for 3rd axis.
I didn't totally give up on it, I may try to get used to it again later. Does someone manage to get decent neg-G shots with it?
Feel free to PM me if you want more details.
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(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/rcmtdriver/DSC00002-2.jpg)
Use pedals with it, it will make it easier to use. I mounted mine to a platform and the platform to an aluminum square stock column. when I move the stick the whole column bends a little. Gives the feeling of movement and some resistance. I also set my pressures away from stock.
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/rcmtdriver/photo2.jpg)
I use setting 2 for flying fighters and 1 for using field guns. 3 and 4 i don't use. Hope this helps.
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I have the Warthog if you have any questions!
Doc
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Ok...Im done shopping....the Warthog will be mine. Wow.
Changeup
Changeup, let me know when you get it.
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Changeup, let me know when you get it.
Will do....thinkin I will drop it on the wife around bonus time...about mid-June
Changeup
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Got my x65f about a week ago.... all I can say is WOW what a huge difference from my x52. It's taking a lot more getting used to than I thought it would. It has taken me all week just to set the pressure up right. I have a feeling once I get used to it, I'll probably never touch the x52 again. :cheers:
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Got my x65f about a week ago.... all I can say is WOW what a huge difference from my x52. It's taking a lot more getting used to than I thought it would. It has taken me all week just to set the pressure up right. I have a feeling once I get used to it, I'll probably never touch the x52 again. :cheers:
If I may ask, once you get used to it, how does it react on quick, minor adjustments. For example, if you want to take a steep deflection shot and the opponent rudders out of the line of fire, how smooth is it when you compensate for his move quickly? X52 is what I am using (standard).
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I'm still working all the "bugs" out, but I found that a little dead band in the center of the deadband adjustment helps to make minor corrections in a fight smoother. I also have the top sliders set to left some.
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I've had my Warthog since November and I love it. I am working on a review to post here for all the questions I have been getting about it.
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I didn't find a way yet, because the wep is a button pressure, and there is no button assigned to the click. I eneded up putting some deadband in, so I am at full before the click.
I don't know if Thrustmaster's 'Target' driver software lets you do it, but I know that the Foxy programming interface for the Cougar would let you take the throttle and map it into ranges, and then set up a range to be either analog or digital -- you could, for example, if you had a jet sim where afterburner had four stages with ']' to go up a stage and '[' to go down a stage, make the range from idle to the AB detent analog, with the range from AB detent to travel limit output four ']' keystrokes across that range when increasing and four '[' keystrokes across that range when decreasing. I've seen some comments on other forums that the programming interface for TM's 'Target' software doesn't have the flexibility of Foxy, but I would be surprised if the capability to program an axis that way disappeared going from the Cougar to the Warthog; it seems as if that would be a severe downgrade.
The Saitek programming interface is relatively primitive; there's no way to 'split' an analog range into analog and digital that I know of -- you could make the whole range digital, but that loses you fine control. I don't know whether, if you take the throttle range and map 0->detent as null, then the detent->limit as WEP, whether AH would still read the analog throttle value. Might be worth trying; the worst that can happen is that it doesn't work. You'd have to do some fiddling with the values reported in AH to determine where the detent was in the throttle travel range (0-65535?), then convert that to a percentage for the Saitek profile editor.
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I don't think I would like a stick that don't move, Ive read its great for jet sims, not so great for WW2 birds.
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In the process of working out the programming for my own X-65F for AH, I threw together a template in MS Word (97) for programming assignments for the Saitek profile editor; the zipfile of the template is here (http://members.cox.net/srmalloy/Saitek_Template.zip); the template has a page for each mode, plus an 'extra' page you can duplicate if you designate a control as an additional mode selector. I also captured the diagrams of the controllers from the profile editor and labeled the images for each control for reference while plotting function assignments:
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5636/stick.th.png) (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/stick.png/)(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6256/throttle.th.png) (http://img855.imageshack.us/i/throttle.png/) (http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/8237/panelw.th.png) (http://img848.imageshack.us/i/panelw.png/)