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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RufusLeaking on February 08, 2011, 10:41:08 AM
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A prominent player has recently posted that he has burned out.
It set me to thinking about what is fun in the game.
I am easily amused. When I land, I like to go to external view and look over the excellent skins. Same goes for inflight in a bomber, with the added bonus of low altitude flight. :salute to the artists.
The feature attraction in the game is flying with and against other people. Period. What makes it fun is the unpredictability. Every so often, the outcome of a fight or base capture is suspenseful. The best actions come down to one shot, be it an overshoot, killing a troop, killing the troop killer or whatever. That’s where the fun is. :salute to the players.
A while back, a guy posted that he set a goal for himself to land 2 kills in every fighter available. Having Lusche-like tendencies, I started tracking how many different planes in which I got at least one kill, per tour. One tour, I went for 10 kills in as many planes as I could (much more game time back then.) I went a few tours in 20 ENY and above planes.
What else is fun in the game?
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I once spent an hour practicing landing in the side hanger of a CV with a squaddie. It's rather tough to pull off without ripping some major parts off of a given aircraft, but immensely fun due to the challenge. One time my connection was crappy so I went offline and practiced flying an LA 5 through one of the old vehicle hangers, which had a tree right behind it. Come in nice and steep, bust through at 300 mph with a HARD rudder kick timed perfectly and bob's your uncle. Most of the times I would clip either the hanger wall or the tree, but the couple of times I was able to pull it off it was quite a rush.
For me it is finding strange goofy challenges like this. It still doesn't hurt to take a break from time to time, though. :aok
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For me the fun is getting to act like a little kid and play cartoon fighter pilot. I was one of those kids that had model airplanes on his bookshelf and I took them and would run around the backyard making engine noises and having pretend dogfights, since I would get put away somewhere if I went down to the park and did that today I have to settle for the cartoon world of AH. :)
It was a lifelong interest in these planes and the history surrounding them that first drew me to flight sims and what keeps me coming back. I can literally track my AH "career" by the books on my shelf. As long as I can find one of those white knuckle fights that sucks me into the screen and puts me in the cockpit every so often I wager I'll keep coming back for more.
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Having Lusche-like tendencies,
You should seek professional help before those tendencies get worse :old:
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For me the fun is getting to act like a little kid and play cartoon fighter pilot. I was one of those kids that had model airplanes on his bookshelf and I took them and would run around the backyard making engine noises and having pretend dogfights, since I would get put away somewhere if I went down to the park and did that today I have to settle for the cartoon world of AH. :)
Dang soulyss......I thought I was reading my own post there :)
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Dang soulyss......I thought I was reading my own post there :)
Yup.
- oldman
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The games cool, the events are fun, working with a group of dedicated people to achieve a goal is almost always a good time, but to me what really draws me in are the people and the community.
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A prominent player has recently posted that he has burned out.
It set me to thinking about what is fun in the game.
I am easily amused. When I land, I like to go to external view and look over the excellent skins. Same goes for inflight in a bomber, with the added bonus of low altitude flight. :salute to the artists.
The feature attraction in the game is flying with and against other people. Period. What makes it fun is the unpredictability. Every so often, the outcome of a fight or base capture is suspenseful. The best actions come down to one shot, be it an overshoot, killing a troop, killing the troop killer or whatever. That’s where the fun is. :salute to the players.
A while back, a guy posted that he set a goal for himself to land 2 kills in every fighter available. Having Lusche-like tendencies, I started tracking how many different planes in which I got at least one kill, per tour. One tour, I went for 10 kills in as many planes as I could (much more game time back then.) I went a few tours in 20 ENY and above planes.
What else is fun in the game?
I think there are 2 kinds of burn-out
#1 when you are stuck, killed the same old way over and over not understanding why or how to correct it. This foments unconfidence and frustration. I would say almost every player goes thru this at some point. Usually results in the 1st "long" break from the game.
#2 Players like grizz, suns, levi, 2bighorn, del " at one time" and others, whose timing and gunnery are so good that the "challenge" if you will is gone. Last time I fought Grizz his gunnery was so good the need for him to use ACM was negligable so this foments a lack of challenge. Essentially these guys burn out from beating their 5 year old sons at airhockey over and over, it is not fun for them but fun and challenging for the kids.
Both types of burnout are real and run their course in time.
What is fun for me is that one shot! It happens now and then, more often as you get better. You know the one I'm talkin about, the one that to yourself makes you say WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA! with a small chuckle soon after. Also when you play against QUALITY players and you both have a great deal of respect for each other no-matter who wins, if you lose you are thinking to yourself, WOW that was crazy!!! you also know it's only a matter of time till you do it to them :aok and they will be thinking WOW.
It is difficult indeed to identify what keeps me here, if you think about it, it really is a silly thing for so many adults to be doing so often. So with that said I think it may be just the fun of association and common interest that keeps the candle lit.
Thank god this wasn't around when I was a kid, I may never had gone outside!!!
JUGgler
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New Guys.
I was bored and burnt out a while ago. Came across a couple of new guys. Helped them out, saw the game through their "new guy eyes", and remembered what it was like when I was new.
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Getting to pretend to be a fighter pilot, a bomber pilot, a tank driver, or a gunner, and not thinking about my daily life while doing so. :)
15 years ago, I strived to be great at the game, reading about tactics, ACM, practicing with my hands, and so on. In essence, took it seriously. That's when burnout showed up now and then.
Now, it's just a fun escape and unimportant in life. It's a fun game, and I get to chat with people that have some of the same interests as me while playing: WW2 planes, flying, guns and shooting, etc.
I grew up wanting to be a fighter pilot, but then I found out I was red/green colorblind, and that ruled out any remote chance at it. Finding AW4W back in the early 90's suddenly touched that kid dream again.
I don't think I'll deal with burnout on this or any game again. I'll just eventually grow tired of playing it. For me, burnout only comes when I've made something into work and taken the fun out of it.
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but to me what really draws me in are the people
I'm still having fun at the game (though of course not as much when I was a new guys with so much to discover)... but it's the people I'm getting weary of more and more...
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*hangs head*
sorry Lusche I'll leave you alone :cry
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One of the things that keep it fresh for me is the new guy as well!!! But for a totally diff reason. :bolt:
New Guys.
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Getting to pretend to be a fighter pilot, a bomber pilot, a tank driver, or a gunner, and not thinking about my daily life while doing so. :)
15 years ago, I strived to be great at the game, reading about tactics, ACM, practicing with my hands, and so on. In essence, took it seriously. That's when burnout showed up now and then.
Now, it's just a fun escape and unimportant in life. It's a fun game, and I get to chat with people that have some of the same interests as me while playing: WW2 planes, flying, guns and shooting, etc.
I grew up wanting to be a fighter pilot, but then I found out I was red/green colorblind, and that ruled out any remote chance at it. Finding AW4W back in the early 90's suddenly touched that kid dream again.
I don't think I'll deal with burnout on this or any game again. I'll just eventually grow tired of playing it. For me, burnout only comes when I've made something into work and taken the fun out of it.
That about covers it. Had my time where trying to be the best was the most important thing. I learned my lesson then. As long as I don't forget it's just pretend, and all for fun, I continue to enjoy the game. The folks I fly with seem to have all been down that same path and reached the same point so when we get a chance to wing up, no one is allowed to get too serious :)
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You get to attack and destroy millions of dollars worth of the coolest military hardware ever devised for only $15 a month. :x
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fighting vs more than 1 nme..always fun and i believe skill building as well
3ravens
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You get to attack and destroy millions of dollars worth of the coolest military hardware ever devised for only $15 a month. :x
Yeah, that's a pretty good reason. :D
I like to fly with my squad, or alone, and just enjoy flying against a bunch of other people. No desire to be the best, no desire to score the highest, I just like to have fun and get into some fights in a side vs side environment.
Wiley.
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I have always been addicted to the chaos of the LW mains! :aok
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Flying with and around and against some of the finest People Ive meet, oh sure theres a few tools but we wont go there :rofl
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You get to attack and destroy millions of dollars worth of the coolest military hardware ever devised for only $15 a month. :x
:aok
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and remembered what it was like when I was new.
It's bloody HELL!!! :old:
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I was one of those kids that had model airplanes on his bookshelf and I took them and would run around the backyard making engine noises and having pretend dogfights
I did something similar, but I used paper airplanes and lit them on fire as they got shot down. If no one was watching, I would dip them in gasoline before lighting them for a huge fireball which looked like zekes in Aces High.
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For me the fun is getting to act like a little kid and play cartoon fighter pilot. I was one of those kids that had model airplanes on his bookshelf and I took them and would run around the backyard making engine noises and having pretend dogfights, since I would get put away somewhere if I went down to the park and did that today I have to settle for the cartoon world of AH. :)
It was a lifelong interest in these planes and the history surrounding them that first drew me to flight sims and what keeps me coming back. I can literally track my AH "career" by the books on my shelf. As long as I can find one of those white knuckle fights that sucks me into the screen and puts me in the cockpit every so often I wager I'll keep coming back for more.
This is the exact same reason I play. I have always been fascinated with airplanes since I was just a toddler. In game, I don't worry about getting shot down, or losing my kills, etc. I have had folks in game PM me saying that they won't engage because they were outnumbered and didn't want to lose kills. I just didn't know what to say other than think to myself "well you just lost a chance of a good fight".
I took a 109K4 out for a spin last night, had 6 kills under my belt. Saw a C205, a Spit, and LA7 and only had 15 rounds of cannon left. I figured "what the hell" and just gave them my all. Even though it was 3v1, and didn't stand a chance of making it back home, I just let them have a good fight. I died gloriously. :) I'm quite sure the other guys had a great fight too. Fights like these is what make the game better. When people realize the foolishness of their ways, and just play to have fun, it all falls into place. To make this game truly enjoyable, you must give... In this case, I "gave" my cartoon 109 the best fight I could give, knowing that I was outnumbered. I had fun, and so did the enemies who fought me. Had I chose to run back to base, they would not have had the fight, and I would have lost a chance to get more action. What fun is there in running to stay alive?
I think this game would be more enjoyable if everyone would just realize that this is just a game and quit worrying about kill-streaks, and staying alive. It's pretty sad- not to mention that when they play in this style, they often find themselves angry with the game. I never get angry with the game anymore simply because I accepted the reality of the whole thing: it's just a game. Every time I log on, I have a good time.
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This thread is useless without some charts! :bolt:
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then theres the chance you make it out plaz..that just sweetins the victory :cheers:
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Just fights, thats what makes it fun, win lose or draw, as long as it lasts a few turns I'm good. I treat this game like golf. You spend the afternoon running around swearing up a storm at how stupid the mistakes you are making, and then it all comes together and you have that one perfect shot that brings you back next time to try and do it again.
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I'm just waiting for the strategic system to be upgraded. Till then I will, at times, up an Ar-234 or a Mossy 16 and fly that very plane for as long as I'm willing/able. I don't do it to land big damage, I don't go near a town unless we are trying to capture it and they request ords on town. I turn it into something like a Tour of Duty type of thing. I up that one plane and keep using it till I am shot down, the plane has suffered damage that would make it too risky to continue or if I MUST go afk right away. If I need to do something that isn't sudden (hitting the crapper, make a snack, smoke break, etc.), I just fly that plane to a field deep in friendly territory and park it somewhere (I took a 2 hr nap once during a tour. :D). Switching between Bish and Nit fronts CAN be time consuming on some maps, but oh so worth it to me in the end.
My last Ar-234 tour, I flew for 4 hours on one front. I just kept hitting a vh while our guys were trying to attack that base. My final sortie, I saw that more than a few of us were hitting another field, so I opted to hit the town of my own volition. We failed, but meh. I survived this tour with little to no damage to my plane (did have some puffy on one run but didn't see any visible damage upon flight home and after I landed).
My last Mossy 16 tour, I flew for 12 hours on both fronts (this is the tour I took a 2 hour nap :D). I went around varies fields, knocking out ords, troops, fuel, dar and hangers. The real tedious part was flying between fronts, which was usually 3-4 sectors one way. I would choose a field that was itself, at least 2 sectors from front lines to refuel before I started hitting bases on the "new" front. This tour ended with a disco... What's worse is, I had started the tour two hours prior, which also ended in a disco. 14 hours of flight time (minus the 2 hr nap) down the crapper due to disco...yeah NOT happy. :furious:bhead To make matters interesting though, I got 0.00 perks for my 12 hour tour. I guess I had managed to hit JUST enough stuff to pay for my plane. :rofl
I'm hoping to eventually rope some folks into joining me one day but....I won't hold my breath. :lol
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I play AH for a multitude of reasons:
Being able to fly historical aircraft with a accurate flight model is a fun experience in itself. I think many take it for granted, really. The dog-fites, the attack runs, the NOE missions, the long range bombing missions, the gv attacks, etc etc. There is simply so much to do.
Also, being on vox with a bunch of good fellows helps too. Without them, much of the fun would be dulled a bit.
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For me, its the childhood dream of flying a real plane - never made that happen, but this works to fulfill that dream. Plus its the people I fly with/against.
If I can land kills, thats an added bonus, if I cant, hell, i'm still having fun. Could do with more time to play tho ;)
:salute
Wurzel
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I play for the fights that I have to take a break after completion because palms are sweating and hand muscles cramped up. The 1v1s and 2v1s that are knife fights in a telephone booth, when split second reactions and control input are the difference between "life" and "death". Then I pop into another plane and do it again, because it never gets old.
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Yup.
- oldman
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I wonder if at the convention PCs should be put away for an hour and everyone go out to the parking lot to run/fly around with their arms out in mock dog fights. I'd pay to see the first HO or collision. :D
Medics should be on hand!
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Yup
I wonder if at the convention PCs should be put away for an hour and everyone go out to the parking lot to run/fly around with their arms out in mock dog fights. I'd pay to see the first HO or collision. :D
Medics should be on hand!
Found the following snippet from Bud Anderson's book. :)
Everyone had a bicycle. By Day, you would dogfight the other pilots on bikes, which often got pretty rough; and at night you'd ride your bike into Leiston or Theberton or Saxmundham, or Yoxford if you were a bit more ambitious, and then you'd get blasted and ride it home through the blackout. The bicycles produced nearly as many casualties as the Luftwaffe did. Eventually, the flight leaders huddled and put out the word to cool it with the bikes.
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I used to take a jeep or M3 up a very steep hill until I get to the top. Id look around to enjoy the scenery for a little while. Then when im done id turn on the recorder and zoom all the way down in neutral and/or roll it
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all the semi homoreoticism.... :noid
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What makes Aces High fun to me is being able to communicate with so many different people from all over the world. As many of you may know, I spend a LOT of time in the tower just chatting with different players. I thoroughly enjoy talking to my squaddies and other people in game that I've actually met at Dayton.
I have to admit, though, if it wasn't for my squadmates and close friends on here, I would rarely ever get the urge to get online. I love being able to fly the many planes I read about as a kid, but it just doesn't entertain me the way it used to.
#S#
Banshee7
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It's mostly RL related, but I am definitely burntout. I still love the game and flying with my squad when I have time. The game has a million things to do that are fun and being creative and doing different stuff is the key to enjoying it. Hope to fly this weekend. :aok
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It's mostly RL related, but I am definitely burntout. I still love the game and flying with my squad when I have time. The game has a million things to do that are fun and being creative and doing different stuff is the key to enjoying it. Hope to fly this weekend. :aok
:aok yes Im burnt out I'm due for a break myself...
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:aok yes Im burnt out I'm due for a break myself...
Good, take Bone with you so I can win a damn KOTH again.
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Good, take Bone with you so I can win a damn KOTH again.
Not till that bastage misses a KOTH so I can win one! Until then once I win a koth my break starts...
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Found the following snippet from Bud Anderson's book. :)
Where do you think Spit pilots started? :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/3281656.jpg)
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I have a fair bit of MMO experience and pvp has always been the primary draw to games for me. AH is the ultimate challange for me. I used to like pvp in eve or in wow or in the fps games, but in all those games the pve carebears take over and the pvp gets standardized and made redunudant to the oveall economics of the game - where gear, setpus become more important that player skill.
AH is really a game that calls for skill and expereince to detarimine the winner an where people don't have to be risk adverse becau they don't lose anything in taking a chance and trying something new. Its also a game where you can really master a plane. Even after playing for awhile, I still learn new things all the time and watch some of the experts do things that I can only describe as magic. Thats appealing to me - that it takes time and patience and imagination to become good, not money o gear or loadouts. No grind, pure pvp, real skill an a little luck = good.
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Burnout definitely a factor. >S< I have been playing regularly since 2004 and I am 'that guy' who has reached the skill plateau and have no idea what it takes to get better. I never expected to be the best (and I am NOT). The game was simply fun for it overall play and the 'coolness' factor of chatting and hanging out with people all over the world.
I have not played now in over a month. I hit the burn and the game became more frustrating than fun. :( There are times when the 'addiction' is overwhelming :bhead and it is hard to remain out of the game, but I feel I have to for a while for that 'break'. If I drop any further into the burnout, I would likely cancel the subscription; so, I figure some time away and hopefully comeback refreshed and I can keep my account on the hope of return. I wish some of the other 'burnouts' would tell me how long this lasts (yeah I know 2-weeks LOL).
Hope to see you all back in a few months. In the mean time, a word of advice..... Don't take the game so seriously (something I need to pay attn to) and just have fun at blowing stuff up (<Insert Tim Allen grunt> aughh aughh aughhh augh.)
:cheers:
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The fun Begins when I hear trough Headphones the Sweet voice of GHI saying" Vulch vulch guys we can make it ...i think" :neener:
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Hope to see you all back in a few months. In the mean time, a word of advice..... Don't take the game so seriously (something I need to pay attn to) and just have fun at blowing stuff up (<Insert Tim Allen grunt> aughh aughh aughhh augh.)
This applies to life -- it's one of the secrets to happiness. Know what to take seriously and what to take lightly; know what's important and what doesn't matter. :)
That and the number 42. :lol
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theres no feeling like crap there goes a 109...double crap there's 2 of them...and oh no a ki-84 climbing up...as long as i "mark" all three i'm happy..because they know they just had a"good fight" on their hands :aok
3ravens