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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Debrody on February 23, 2011, 12:18:09 PM
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Its perked heavily. Its fast, its a death star at altitudes. BUT... it makes players avoid each other, climb to uncatchable altitudes. And imo thats not good to the gameplay. I understand its über, but still, its perks cost shouldnt be lowered?
Flame suit on.
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Anyone who would take any bomber waaaay up high, wouldn't be one to take a fighter and find a fight, so they factor zero into gameplay either way.
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I enjoy climbing up to 30k and chasing the buffs.
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wow...the analytical gameplay business experts have gotten an early start on this one...
all the hoopla whines about "we wants de bee twenty niiiinnness"...less than 24 hours out the gate and now it's overperked, underperked, useless, no rational thought processes in play... :rofl
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I dont say its overperked, its a fantastic bomber. But is it good when players avoid contact with each other, just cuz they dont wanna lose 300 perks?
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I dont say its overperked, its a fantastic bomber. But is it good when players avoid contact with each other, just cuz they dont wanna lose 300 perks?
not sure how it's different from people choosing to fly a b-17 or lanc at 30k +...it's safer up there, usually...and few if any complained about the space rangers at the higher alts until now...
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Think about all the 262s that get shot down daily.
Are thous not good for gameplay as well?
If you (I don't mean you Debrody, I mean everyone) got a problem with people using their perks to fly high so you don't shoot them down, then you use your perks to fly high to shoot them down.
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I dont say its overperked, its a fantastic bomber. But is it good when players avoid contact with each other, just cuz they dont wanna lose 300 perks?
They are not avoiding you, they are just higher than you are willing to climb to meet them. I personally will not climb that high after a bomber, so no slam intended.
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The high perk price is the problem. I don't think it is proportionate to the non-perked B-17 in regards to the survivability/bombload per perk price. Along with the 2 ENY, it makes the usual heavies way more practical (unless you like climbing to 30k all the time). I'd rather they were perked around 30 each and a bit more fire-resistant. There would be more of them and low enough to fight. Once the newness wears off, the high price tag could result in a relative hangar queen. :(
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The high perk price is the problem. I don't think it is proportionate to the non-perked B-17 in regards to the survivability/bombload per perk price. Along with the 2 ENY, it makes the usual heavies way more practical (unless you like climbing to 30k all the time). I'd rather they were perked around 30 each and a bit more fire-resistant. There would be more of them and low enough to fight. Once the newness wears off, the high price tag could result in a relative hangar queen. :(
I don't believe so. Since we did not have a real perked bomber before people have thousands of perks to waist.
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I don't believe so. Since we did not have a real perked bomber before people have thousands of perks to waist.
ar234 has been around for a while now...perked pretty good too...just not much of a bomb load, nor defensive capabilities...
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ar234 has been around for a while now...perked pretty good too...just not much of a bomb load, nor defensive capabilities...
That's my point, people don't fly. Therefore they have a lot of perks to waist/spend on the B29
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ar234 has been around for a while now...perked pretty good too...just not much of a bomb load, nor defensive capabilities...
Ever got close to them 20's in the tail or caught one in a flat out race? It's plenty good defensive capabilities.
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Its perked heavily. Its fast, its a death star at altitudes. BUT... it makes players avoid each other, climb to uncatchable altitudes. And imo thats not good to the gameplay. I understand its über, but still, its perks cost shouldnt be lowered?
Flame suit on.
Way too early to speculate.
As with all new additions, there will be a huge rush to fly the new beast, followed by a gradual return to 'normality' at which point we can see where it falls in the food chain.
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The plan hunting them fell through. Did not see one B-29. Did not see any landed.
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When, shuffler?
They were all over the place around 10PM central last night.
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Around 11:30/midnight.
We had a fun fight going on between 2 bases.
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Its perked heavily. Its fast, its a death star at altitudes. BUT... it makes players avoid each other, climb to uncatchable altitudes. And imo thats not good to the gameplay. I understand its über, but still, its perks cost shouldnt be lowered?
Flame suit on.
I wish it made people avoid mine! I lost 1 and got another damaged in my run at 30k last night. I got him but still...
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First I flew the B29 and landed it then I grabbed a C-HOG with the intent on finding one and engaging. I did find one formation at 28k and calculated my approach. It was friendly but the ME262 that had spent alot of time and effort to have a perfect attack position was not friendly. The 262 had done everything right, right up to the part where he was 1.5k gaining hard on the B29's and never checked his 6 because after all "who else could be up here, I gotta be safe", KABLAMMO !!! Tried to throw him a salute but amazingly enough he had logged 1.7 milleseconds after I killed him.
The friendly B29 driver was appreciative.
Zoney: ******* Check 6 there is a 262 dropping down hard on you!
B29: Ok, I'll keep an eye on him.........................H mmmm, I don't see him, where is he.
Zoney: hebedead
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wow...the analytical gameplay business experts have gotten an early start on this one...
all the hoopla whines about "we wants de bee twenty niiiinnness"...less than 24 hours out the gate and now it's overperked, underperked, useless, no rational thought processes in play... :rofl
:rofl
Its the " I want it I want it I want it I want it" then dont do nothing with it....... :lol
I suppose they thought they would use it as another NOE mission uber town crusher and never expect to have to actually "risk" fighting someone without paying a price.... ;)
:rofl :rofl
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The B-29 has changed and will change nothing... NOTHING I tell ya!!!
Look at it's price... It's going to be a rare sight just like the AR234's. And anyway, if you ask me, most people flying the AR234's are avoiding a fight as well, just using speed instead of altitude.
People need to relax until all the fuss about it's entry into the game has passed. I wouldn't be surprised to see people going back to their B-17's and B-24's very shortly.
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as i predicted, it basically does nothing more than any other bomber does.
it will be used as much as the mossie 16.
I should amend:
If it's flown the way it's supposed to be, it is just more bombs coming out of the sky, and not even worth intercepting.. (was at ~39000msl doing 410tas about 86k lbs (empty) still accellerating on my first and only B29 flight today)
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Anyone who would take any bomber waaaay up high, wouldn't be one to take a fighter and find a fight, so they factor zero into gameplay either way.
Really now? I take 17's to 30K+ every other day or so but the rest of the time I'm flying light fighters looking for a tangle. Any bomber knows that you fly over the fight rather than through it, and pick off anyone who would follow you. Any fighter know knows you've got to jump into the fray eventually.
I think somebody's just posting while they're a little mad. :furious
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Really now? I take 17's to 30K+ every other day or so but the rest of the time I'm flying light fighters looking for a tangle. Any bomber knows that you fly over the fight rather than through it, and pick off anyone who would follow you. Any fighter know knows you've got to jump into the fray eventually.
I think somebody's just posting while they're a little mad. :furious
bold statement is completely false.
People run from me, on a sortie basis and avoid the fight to come back later and kill me with some friends. I'm not complaining, just stating the obvious.
People will run from you for
1) no reason at all
2) to protect their score
3) to come kill you with their buds
4) protect their killstreak
5) avoid loosing perks (understandable)
6) because they plain and simply can't kill you 1v1
All of these reasons is why someone would run from 1 person. Imaging a group of them, or by gawd, an even furball. The only time these tards won't run is when they are the at gang pick fest over a base, or they are vultching the living hell out of imaginary planes.
To be honest, there is no reason for someone to "jump into the fight" other than the reason they enjoy the fight, in my opinion many people don't, they just want to rack up the kill, get perks, and protect their precious score.
B29 is practicly the same thing, people will ignore B29s while they toolshed to get their friends kills up by BnZing and vultching Il2s off the runway, or they will go ,as stated in this thread, to 40k and lazer bomb anything they can get their plane over to rack up their own score. As I can't reverse the decision that HTC has made by putting the B29 in the game, I think that it could be a contibuting factor to player avoiding each other at all costs, and scorewhoring it up.
The old saying of "be careful of what you wish for" come to mind.
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bold statement is completely false.
Bold? I wasn't trying to change the world with my post. I was addressing somebody who claimed anybody who takes the time to climb to the highest altitudes in a bomber is the sort of person who doesn't participate in dogfights or make a difference in the game.
I suppose I'm incorrect for saying any fighter knows they've got to jump into the fight eventually. But imo anyone who wants to be a "good stick" in the MA needs to learn how to be involved in a larger fight.
But this isn't what the thread's about. Nice long reply though :aok
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As someone who was a little disgusted that of all the planes that could have been added next, the majority chose this one, all I can say is... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Anyone who would take any bomber waaaay up high, wouldn't be one to take a fighter and find a fight, so they factor zero into gameplay either way.
Not true. Case in point, me.
I've had a lot of fun flying the B-29 so far, can't wait for some of the bugs to be worked out where I feel safe taking up a formation. My prediction, it'll get used more than a Mossie 16 or 234, both because of it's bomb capability and it's cool factor, but the excitement will wear down and things will start returning to normal. Also, if you think it's as easy to drop a hanger with the same amount of ord at 10,000 or 40,000, you don't know what you're talking about. The B-29 is not an ideal bomber for hanger busting, by it's self it would take too long to get turned back around and get a solid calibration. Now in a large group it could be successful, but so could any other formation of bombers (and what is more likely to be intercepted, another flight of B-17s or a group of perked B-29s, much more intriguing). Town centers will no doubt continue to be dropped, but this hardly has an effect on game-play. Strat runs can be fun (as long as they aren't near a 163 base), but city strat still is a worthless target.
I'm sure as hell going to continue to take that thing up to 30k though, shot a few down and saw a few get shot down, it really doesn't take much to light them or, sometimes they just pop with a quick burst. Until strat gets changed, I'll probably fly the B-29 just as a fun plane every once in a while, hardly worth risking 300+ perks to drop targets when I can do that more effectively in a B-17.
Btw, I'm absolutely loving the people who are jumping on the "I told you so!" bandwagon about the B-29. The plane is very cool, and given the chance, I'd vote for it again. Just because a few people are whining, you believe that represents the thousands of votes that went behind it. The simple fact is it's in the game, deal with it, go shoot it down if you hate it so much. :rolleyes:
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So far the B-29 has completely ruined gameplay for me because the freaking game crashes whenever I try to join an arena. :bhead :bhead :bhead
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So far the B-29 has completely ruined gameplay for me because the freaking game crashes whenever I try to join an arena. :bhead :bhead :bhead
how do you know its the B-29s fualt? it could be a bug, for me im not havint any problems logging in. or taking the thing up in offline practice.
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how do you know its the B-29s fualt? it could be a bug, for me im not havint any problems logging in. or taking the thing up in offline practice.
Dude, you need to figure out how sarcasm works, you've been missing it all night.
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Read the Bug forum. This last update was FUBAR.
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Dude, you need to figure out how sarcasm works, you've been missing it all night.
sorry a 6 pack and a fatty will do that to me lol. anyways. i see the B-29 used for HQ raids and strat raids. they just need to give more perkies for strat targets.
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cough< sarcasm>
Ch200:
UberPileetAce:200 Hey Gary, how's it going?
UberpileetGary:200 Uhh not much, just the end of aces high! :devil
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it'll be fun to fly the 29 in scenerios...anyone flying buff's in the BoG will want to create a Pacific version eventually...I know I'll be there...
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To me, the B29 well be a non factor in the game. With it hefty perk and it's ability to burst into flames it won't be used by the "dive bombing","landgrab crowd". It's only use will finally settle into those big buff runs that come together once or twice a month.
I think it's main purpose really was to cut down on BBS traffic by doing away with all those "we need the B29 " threads.
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On the subject question, anything that gets people excited is good for the game. There is a buzz in the game, at least for the moment.
No data to back this up, but it seems that there are more folks flying around in high ENY bombers (B-25C, B5N), presumably to build up bomber perks for the Superfortress. It is good for the game for people to get out of their comfort zone. And it allows for interceptors flying less than uber rides to have a chance against a formation.
More planes (and gvs) is better than less.
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Gentlemen-the preceding dialogs and diatribes were most enlighting on
the uberfortress. :devil High 6-done deal. :aok
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Great entertainment reading these posts since, for the moment the new and improved version crashes on me and I can't play the game.
The B-29, from what I'm reading is exactly wht I predicted it would be:
1. heavily perked. I mean, if the Mossi bomber is ~30 perks ea. what in the world did you expect the 29 to be? Free??? LMAO.
2. Due to #1, guys arn't going to be flying them through fur balls, any more than you see a duce in a turn fight. They WILL take them to 30k. What? you were expecting to see 29 noe raids????
3. So what were you planning on using them for? White flagging a town? I can do that with a set of lancs with much less effort and cost.
4. therfore b-29's have limited application, and wont be the game changers some thought. duhhhh
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Great entertainment reading these posts since, for the moment the new and improved version crashes on me and I can't play the game.
The B-29, from what I'm reading is exactly wht I predicted it would be:
1. heavily perked. I mean, if the Mossi bomber is ~30 perks ea. what in the world did you expect the 29 to be? Free??? LMAO.
2. Due to #1, guys arn't going to be flying them through fur balls, any more than you see a duce in a turn fight. They WILL take them to 30k. What? you were expecting to see 29 noe raids????
3. So what were you planning on using them for? White flagging a town? I can do that with a set of lancs with much less effort and cost.
4. therfore b-29's have limited application, and wont be the game changers some thought. duhhhh
well if they increase the perk points for strat an HQ runs, then the will be a much more common sight.
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Bold? I wasn't trying to change the world with my post. I was addressing somebody who claimed anybody who takes the time to climb to the highest altitudes in a bomber is the sort of person who doesn't participate in dogfights or make a difference in the game.
I suppose I'm incorrect for saying any fighter knows they've got to jump into the fight eventually. But imo anyone who wants to be a "good stick" in the MA needs to learn how to be involved in a larger fight.
But this isn't what the thread's about. Nice long reply though :aok
Bold as in bold
I really don't know how long you have been playing, only what time you have signed up for the forums. But what I can tell you is that people will go to where the fight is happening, a nice furball off the coast of some base; sure. But as to whether or not that actually "fight" is another story. They do not "jump into it" but rather, dip their toes in it to find out it is slightly too cold, and run away to come back and 'test' it out again. Pretty much what I am getting at is people not actually fighting, just flying around in a furball. Sure they may be a few kills, but more times that not it is when the odds are in the favor and they do decide to grow some and come diving in at 450mph to spray most of their ammo for the one kill they will get that sortie.
This goes the same for a B29, they don't really have to do anything, the hardest and most tedious part is reading the newspaper for 60 minutes while they set up to drop their bombs on an irrelevant target. I could take them off every day and only get shot down a few times a tour, but I don't because if I wanted to do that, I would play offline and set the damage percent up 1000000 so it makes a nice boom.
B29 might be nice to eat some popcorn while you watch a fight over 200 though, or write a term paper, either one is fine by me.
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Bold as in bold
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Ah... bold. I swear I just want to strangle this language sometimes :mad:
I've only been playing the game for two weeks ;) so thanks for telling me everything in the rest of your post. I'm just too NEW to possibly understand ANY of this stuff! :rolleyes:
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Ah... bold. I swear I just want to strangle this language sometimes :mad:
I've only been playing the game for two weeks ;) so thanks for telling me everything in the rest of your post. I'm just too NEW to possibly understand ANY of this stuff! :rolleyes:
No problem man, I was trying to use fighters running and acting dweeby as an analogy for my thoughs about the B29.
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OK here's my idea for reworking the perk system for bombers. 1 perk for every 1000 damage. it would be great for perk planes because the way it is now. if you take a perk bomber up especially a B-29 your putting 300+ perks on the line, not worth it if your only getting .79 perks for 16k damage, bonus perks for hitting strats and the HQ, lets say between .50 and 2 perks bonus added to the 1 perk for every 1000 damage. also take away losing perks for losing a drone or your plane. also 2 or 3 perks for shooting one perk bomber down, and plus 1 perk for every plane you shoot down in a bomber. i believe with this system in play you would see more and more perk bombers up and and more emphasis on intercepting bombers, and still make it worth losing a perk bomber in the process.
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OK here's my idea for reworking the perk system for bombers. 1 perk for every 1000 damage. it would be great for perk planes because the way it is now. if you take a perk bomber up especially a B-29 your putting 300+ perks on the line, not worth it if your only getting .79 perks for 16k damage, bonus perks for hitting strats and the HQ, lets say between .50 and 2 perks bonus added to the 1 perk for every 1000 damage. also take away losing perks for losing a drone or your plane. also 2 or 3 perks for shooting one perk bomber down, and plus 1 perk for every plane you shoot down in a bomber. i believe with this system in play you would see more and more perk bombers up and and more emphasis on intercepting bombers, and still make it worth losing a perk bomber in the process.
if you only got .79 perk for 16k damage, you were very close to not even being able to fly it due to eny.. I landed 20k damage and got 3.19 perks when they cost 75 or so each. and as stokes said, I didn't really have to do anything.. spent 45+ minutes climbing to 35k, hit 4 towns, and rtb'd at 39k and 410mph. snoooze. Never saw a red icon, one guy upped underneath me, but gave up once he realized it was just 29's hitting towns. probably first and last time I fly b29's. I still don't see the point of them in the game.
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if you only got .79 perk for 16k damage, you were very close to not even being able to fly it due to eny.. I landed 20k damage and got 3.19 perks when they cost 75 or so each. and as stokes said, I didn't really have to do anything.. spent 45+ minutes climbing to 35k, hit 4 towns, and rtb'd at 39k and 410mph. snoooze. Never saw a red icon, one guy upped underneath me, but gave up once he realized it was just 29's hitting towns. probably first and last time I fly b29's.
see thats the thing. your never gonna fly it. with this new system you will see more and more perk bombers. if more and more people hate it just becuase its not worth the perks either lower the perk cost or cange the system of earning perks.
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see thats the thing. your never gonna fly it. with this new system you will see more and more perk bombers. if more and more people hate it just becuase its not worth the perks either lower the perk cost or cange the system of earning perks.
oh it earns perks just as it should, as is. it's just a bore.
I already have 8200+ bomber perks. I don't need more.
I might fly the 29 again, just as I flew the mossie 16 several times when it first came out.. then ya realize it really does nothing any other bomber cant do, except avoid contact if used properly. Other than the relatively interesting performance at high alts, snooze.
might have it's place in special events, but in the MA's, it's as fun as the mossie16, IMO.
Perhaps 1 guy could take down a HQ, I'm still not sure about it. Might be the only thing left worth testing.
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If I'm correct, I've heard a few say the 29 is flown at very high altitudes in a range most don't want to climb in a fighter. funny thing is just today i simply took up a B-29 with a fuel load of 50% and flew at an alt of at least 6 to 7k, AA fire hit my 29s that's how low i was.
point is i think i did at least over 500 bits worth of damage and got 4 kills with no problems at all with a landed success all done on my very first B-29 run in the Main arena.
[Note 500 damage is not alot but i was rushing on this run so the aim was quick and simple]
Perk price may be high but its well worth it in the end, just to get that bird in the air once is worth the perk cost.
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OK here's my idea for reworking the perk system for bombers. 1 perk for every 1000 damage. it would be great for perk planes because the way it is now. if you take a perk bomber up especially a B-29 your putting 300+ perks on the line, not worth it if your only getting .79 perks for 16k damage, bonus perks for hitting strats and the HQ, lets say between .50 and 2 perks bonus added to the 1 perk for every 1000 damage. also take away losing perks for losing a drone or your plane. also 2 or 3 perks for shooting one perk bomber down, and plus 1 perk for every plane you shoot down in a bomber. i believe with this system in play you would see more and more perk bombers up and and more emphasis on intercepting bombers, and still make it worth losing a perk bomber in the process.
I like this idea.
Makes it worth it :)
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I like this idea.
Makes it worth it :)
see thank you marineUS. i think HTC should put this to a vote lol.
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OK here's my idea for reworking the perk system for bombers. 1 perk for every 1000 damage. it would be great for perk planes because the way it is now. if you take a perk bomber up especially a B-29 your putting 300+ perks on the line, not worth it if your only getting .79 perks for 16k damage, bonus perks for hitting strats and the HQ, lets say between .50 and 2 perks bonus added to the 1 perk for every 1000 damage. also take away losing perks for losing a drone or your plane. also 2 or 3 perks for shooting one perk bomber down, and plus 1 perk for every plane you shoot down in a bomber. i believe with this system in play you would see more and more perk bombers up and and more emphasis on intercepting bombers, and still make it worth losing a perk bomber in the process.
The point of perks is to keep everyone from upping the best plane and using it all the time, it makes things horribly unbalanced. This system would just add to the gap between good and bad planes being flown.
Perk system is fine, leave it the way it is.
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The point of perks is to keep everyone from upping the best plane and using it all the time, it makes things horribly unbalanced. This system would just add to the gap between good and bad planes being flown.
Perk system is fine, leave it the way it is.
no keep the price of the plane the same but make it a bit less costly to up a perk bomber. becuase your losing perks as you lose a perk plane. but if they gave a high number of perks for landing them after you fly them and hit targets then it wouldnt be so bad to lose one.
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OP: Ask yourself if its good for game play to make more... or less... subscribers happy?
Its not just about making weed hoppers happy you see?
Carry on.
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no keep the price of the plane the same but make it a bit less costly to up a perk bomber. becuase your losing perks as you lose a perk plane. but if they gave a high number of perks for landing them after you fly them and hit targets then it wouldnt be so bad to lose one.
You're not supposed to be losing your perk planes.
You're not doing it right.
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Apparently your main concern is about losing your planes. If the price is too high or the risk is too great for you, don't fly them.
If you're not worried about perks (doubt it) fly at 10k through furballs.
wrongway
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sorry a 6 pack and a fatty will do that to me lol. anyways. i see the B-29 used for HQ raids and strat raids. they just need to give more perkies for strat targets.
wtf,over?
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People have been howling for years about getting the B-29 in game, then this... gotta love it.
:lol
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People have been howling for years about getting the B-29 in game, then this... gotta love it.
:lol
QFT
:D
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You're not supposed to be losing your perk planes.
You're not doing it right.
:confused:
Apparently your main concern is about losing your planes. If the price is too high or the risk is too great for you, don't fly them.
If you're not worried about perks (doubt it) fly at 10k through furballs.
wrongway
im not worried myself. i mean ill fly it a hell of alot, but if you lose one well then it costs so much, granted that flying it at 30k increases its survivability, but to lose perks for even crashing or losing a drone on take off kinda is BS, if anything they should give you the perks you paid for one back if you crash it or lose it by accidental means. such as pilot error on take off. now so far i been flying the B-29 in offline practice, getting it to 30K hitting a few targets then landing it safely at home. im doing this so i dont make the mistake of losing one on take off or landing.
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People have been howling for years about getting the B-29 in game, then this... gotta love it.
:lol
Well, B-29 AND P-61. My promise still stands, if Pyro ever gets the P-61 in game, I have a bottle of good stuff and Pizza for the office OTW! 11 years and still waiting. :devil :old:
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Well, B-29 AND P-61. My promise still stands, if Pyro ever gets the P-61 in game, I have a bottle of good stuff and Pizza for the office OTW! 11 years and still waiting. :devil :old:
We'll get the P-61 when the Seahawks win the Superbowl.
:ahand
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:rofl "Not going anywhere for a while? Have a Snickers."
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I'll save Rip the trouble and say it'll be the same for my Bengals.
:cry
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Well, B-29 AND P-61. My promise still stands, if Pyro ever gets the P-61 in game, I have a bottle of good stuff and Pizza for the office OTW! 11 years and still waiting. :devil :old:
I hear next patch has carpeted fighter hangers.
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see thats the thing. your never gonna fly it. with this new system you will see more and more perk bombers. if more and more people hate it just becuase its not worth the perks either lower the perk cost or cange the system of earning perks.
There is no need to change the system of gaining perks as there is nothing wrong with it.
ack-ack
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We'll get the P-61 when the Seahawks win the Superbowl.
:ahand
Promise!? :)
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I hear next patch has carpeted fighter hangers.
Is that a perk now? :lol
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its good if your a hoe-tard with its 20mm tail gun :ahand :banana: :cheers:
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Well after a while with the b29 the one major thing that has changed is the ultra high bomb raids. Which is probably more realistic. I've lost 4 of these birds and trust me I will be very high the next time. 18k doesn't cut it.
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Good for game play? I'm not sure, but it's been great for the BBS. :aok
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Anyone who would take any bomber waaaay up high, wouldn't be one to take a fighter and find a fight, so they factor zero into gameplay either way.
LOL....him don't know me very well do he? 35K B-29's 1/2 the day... P-47M's the other half (with an easy mode plane thrown in for good measure every now and again).
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I've never had any problem having to climb up to 20-30K just to take out bombers. Sucks if I end up running out of gas or get shot down before and after I get there.
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I love the B-29. Last night I shot a 29 and A-8 down with a P-38G at a perk point bonus around 1.6. Almost 40 perkies for that one run. :x
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B-29 is awesome, I'm thrilled we finally have it in the game
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They're tasty.
I'll even fly a super high altitude mission to an enemy HQ/city for the chance to shoot one down......after asking my country if it's one of ours who's over the enemy HQ.
I just up a fighter with drop tanks, point it that direction, and then work on a car or the house before coming back to find I've either been shot down or I am where I want to be.
Sadly, of the 10 missions I have encountered high buffs, 5 of the buff drivers simply bailed shortly before I made icon range.
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We have B-29's in game now? :eek:
<---- never knew, I guess because I pretty much never climb above 25K
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I hear next patch has carpeted fighter hangers.
EEEwwww...carpet equals static electricity...don’t touch the zero it might ignite....POOF
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I can think of 8 fighters that fly just fine up above 30k. :salute
If anything.... It keeps lazy people lazy.
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I can think of 8 fighters that fly just fine up above 30k. :salute
If anything.... It keeps lazy people lazy.
wow i cant think of a single player that I fly with, that will waste time to go up to 30k. unless you're in a 163.
semp
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You're thinking about it all wrong though....... Up from 50 miles away, auto-climb and go shower, order food, take a dump.......... There is plenty of things to do for 10 to 15 minutes while you climb. I went afk for 35 minutes in a 152 once, when I came back I was at 43k....... Unfortunately I didn't think about it much at that moment and nosed down. By the time I pulled out I was down to 19k. :(
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its perked cost is too high. sure its got a HUGE bombload, but its engines light on fire as easy as a 24. and it can be taken down fast by attacking anywhheres but the tail.
i think they perked it so 1 b29 cant destroy a whole field. but think how long it would take a b29 to do that. a fighter would have PLENTY time to climb up there after it if its attempting to do this, if you dont then your just the lazy one.
it should be perked more like the mossie&ar235.
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I have 2800 buff perks, and I know there are more people out there with more. Its fine were its at.
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its perked cost is too high. sure its got a HUGE bombload, but its engines light on fire as easy as a 24. and it can be taken down fast by attacking anywhheres but the tail.
I hate to burst your bubble but the B-29 was not some super armored bomber that could fly deep into enemy territory with impunity. If you want to minimize the dangers to your bomber then use proper tactics and fly the B-29 at high altitudes were you mitigate some of the dangers you will encounter and making it tough on the interceptors to do their jobs. Intercepting a fast flying, well gunned bomber at 30,000ft is rather difficult.
Or you can continue flying at lower altitudes and cry how much the B-29 is perked each time you get shot down, the choice is yours.
ack-ack
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I have 2800 buff perks, and I know there are more people out there with more. Its fine were its at.
+1 I agree
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Haven't lost a B-29 to enemy fire yet and in an amazing coincidence, I've rarely flown it below 30,000.
Lost a couple when I didn't plug my joystick in before my flight. :joystick:
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I hate to burst your bubble but the B-29 was not some super armored bomber that could fly deep into enemy territory with impunity. If you want to minimize the dangers to your bomber then use proper tactics and fly the B-29 at high altitudes were you mitigate some of the dangers you will encounter and making it tough on the interceptors to do their jobs. Intercepting a fast flying, well gunned bomber at 30,000ft is rather difficult.
Or you can continue flying at lower altitudes and cry how much the B-29 is perked each time you get shot down, the choice is yours.
ack-ack
again, you missed my point entirely.
im saying it doesnt deserve to be as highly perked as it is because its NOT a "super armored bomber".
can anyone name the main points why the b29 has a high perk cost?
is it because of the...
-bombload
-fuel load
-ammo load (20mm in the tail)
-ceiling alt?
because if we're perking bombers for bombloads, the lanc should of been perked this whole time.
if we're perking bombers for fuel load. then the betty should be perked.
if we're perking bombers for ammo load, then both the betty&ki67 should be perked for having 20mms.
if we're perking for ceiling alt, then the lancaster should of been perked.
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Really!?
All of the above.
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again, you missed my point entirely.
No, I got the gist of your whine...err post. You don't want to have to lose the amount of perks each time you get shot down flying a B-29, that's the point of your post and nothing more. Don't fly your B-29 at lower altitudes where it is far easier to intercept than it is at high altitudes.
The main reasons why the B-29 is perked:
Speed
bombload
defensive armament
The planes you try and use to point out why the B-29 shouldn't be perked as it is, you utterly fail to grasp the obvious. The difference between those planes you listed and the B-29 is that the B-29 has all of those features and taken alone, those features don't warrant a plane being perked. However, combine those features into one plane and you have a plane that requires a perk price. Whether or not the price is high will probably always be up for debate but the general consensus is that the price is just fine. The only ones that seem to have an issue with the perk price are the ones that are using terrible tactics and losing their B-29s at a rate faster than they can earn perks to replace the ones they've lost.
ack-ack
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No, I got the gist of your whine...err post. You don't want to have to lose the amount of perks each time you get shot down flying a B-29, that's the point of your post and nothing more. Don't fly your B-29 at lower altitudes where it is far easier to intercept than it is at high altitudes.
The main reasons why the B-29 is perked:
Speed
bombload
defensive armament
The planes you try and use to point out why the B-29 shouldn't be perked as it is, you utterly fail to grasp the obvious. The difference between those planes you listed and the B-29 is that the B-29 has all of those features and taken alone, those features don't warrant a plane being perked. However, combine those features into one plane and you have a plane that requires a perk price. Whether or not the price is high will probably always be up for debate but the general consensus is that the price is just fine. The only ones that seem to have an issue with the perk price are the ones that are using terrible tactics and losing their B-29s at a rate faster than they can earn perks to replace the ones they've lost.
ack-ack
no ack, your still missing MY point.
im not saying UNPERK the b29. im saying it doesnt deserve the steep price it has.
and out of the 19 b29 sorties i have had in the MA, ive only lost 3 (and one was to pilot accident).
so no, i wouldnt be put into the "The only ones that seem to have an issue with the perk price are the ones that are using terrible tactics and losing their B-29s at a rate faster than they can earn perks to replace the ones they've lost."
catagory.
ether way you cant win with the b29. climb to above 30k and ppl will accuse you of being scared to fight.
fly it low enough to be intercepted and ppl will accuse you of not knowing how to use the bomber right.
the wheel will just keep turning.... :rolleyes:
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Then just be a man and fly NOE.... :rolleyes:
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Then just be a man and fly NOE.... :rolleyes:
tried that.... a pony made sure it didnt end so well :cry
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Gentlemen-REALLY enjoy your collective personal triades against
each other. Keep 'em coming!
:aok
enough said.
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I love the 29 where it is. Price is not bad for the plane. Use it correctly and you will win most every time. It gets really high and it is very fast. At 35k, not much can lift off and get to you in time, other than a 153 or a 262, and the 262 is an easy kill at that alt. Even fighters that are laying in wait for you can only make 1 successful pass then they lose their speed trying to turn around. The 5 & 6 gun position will award you with many kills and you have what seems to be an unlimited supply of ammo. I don't understand the complaints about this plane. If you don't have the perks to fly them, go earn some perks, plain and simple. I am really enjoying the 29 and I do not see it becoming a hanger queen in my play.
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I fly up to 30k and get shot down by the B-29 and love every bit of it! :rock
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in my time of flying the B-29 i only lost it once in the MA. not a big deal when the cost of it at the time was 67 perks per plane. a TA-152 was waiting at 40k alt and dived on me, i got him the second time though. i guess her thought he shot out my tail gun and came up behind me, he found out real quickly that the 20mm tail gun is a very very bad sting.
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in my time of flying the B-29 i only lost it once in the MA. not a big deal when the cost of it at the time was 67 perks per plane. a TA-152 was waiting at 40k alt and dived on me, i got him the second time though. i guess her thought he shot out my tail gun and came up behind me, he found out real quickly that the 20mm tail gun is a very very bad sting.
Oh my, those things rip the enemy.