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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jollyFE on February 23, 2011, 04:19:58 PM
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I know this is question with alot of answers but here goes.....
I am looking for a .223 rifle for under a grand, I carried an M4 for about 5 years and am really familiar with it but the price is just a bit too high. I saw a review of the Kel Tec SU 16C, anyone have any experience with it?
My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr" I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.
Any suggestions?
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You can get a separate lower and upper for about $800 and have a complete AR
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I have a Mini-14 Suits me just fine and its a blast to shoot.
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I know this is question with alot of answers but here goes.....
I am looking for a .223 rifle for under a grand, I carried an M4 for about 5 years and am really familiar with it but the price is just a bit too high. I saw a review of the Kel Tec SU 16C, anyone have any experience with it?
My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr" I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.
Any suggestions?
There are lots of AR options available for under $1k, if you want to go that route.
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I have a Mini-14 Suits me just fine and its a blast to shoot.
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also check out www.accuracysystems.com for mini-14 goodness
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My sons (Call of Duty fanatics) said "dad get an scar or acr" I laughed when I saw the prices of those 2 rifles.
:rofl :rofl
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There are a whole host of AR15's for under $1,000. You can build your own for a LOT less.
Stay away from the junk. Kel-Tek is junk. It is like buying a Phoenix, Lorcin, or Jennings handgun.
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Why not go with the AK Platform... Check out the Russian Saiga Rifles. .223 Both Barrel lengths (16" and 20") can be found for less than $400.
http://armsofamerica.com/saiga223riflewitha20inchbarrel-specialsaleprice35999.aspx
The standard rifles function the same as an AKM, but they lack the deadly "assault" features. :lol
With some tools and parts you can transform it into an AKM.
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I agree, you can find pretty decent AR-15s for under a grand. The Mini-14 as mentioned is a fun rifle to shoot, not a tack driver but still fun and based on the classic M1 Carbine/M1 Garand and M14 rolling block bolt system. The AR's will deliver probably better accuracy with a decent build.
Big question first should be "What do you want to do with the rifle?".
If you get an AR, you want to get one built to fire the 5.56, and with it you can also shoot the .223 round. If you get a .223 rifle, you shouldn't fire the 5.56 round. (and no, they aren't the same round, pressures are different).
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Depending on what you want to do with the rifle you have multiple options. You can buy any number of bolt actions as well as the "black rifles". If you are looking at a varmint style rifle you will get more bang for the buck with a standard bolt action.
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Depending on what you want to do with the rifle you have multiple options. You can buy any number of bolt actions as well as the "black rifles". If you are looking at a varmint style rifle you will get more bang for the buck with a standard bolt action.
Mmmm Savage or a Howa, the howa ranchland is a nice length to whack a suppressor on.
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Why not go with the AK Platform... Check out the Russian Saiga Rifles. .223 Both Barrel lengths (16" and 20") can be found for less than $400.
http://armsofamerica.com/saiga223riflewitha20inchbarrel-specialsaleprice35999.aspx
The standard rifles function the same as an AKM, but they lack the deadly "assault" features. :lol
With some tools and parts you can transform it into an AKM.
Lots of decent AKs out there if you don't want to go the AR route.
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Lots of decent AKs out there if you don't want to go the AR route.
you can buy one for like $100 lol
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Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, Spike's Tactical.....all very good and priced well.
Both of my lower AR's are spike's, one upper is stag, other is VLTOR.
I'd suggest looking at several AR15 sites, the options are limitless. You can go standard 16", varminter up to 24", and all in between.
There is also a pics forum at ar15.com, to give you some ideas, from basic to full custom. Many can be built around $1K or less.
Most vendors are building 5.56mm as their standard barrels nowadays.
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You might try looking for a used mini-14, but have it checked out by a gunsmith before buying, and if possible shoot it before buying. They're very rugged but that also means they might have been abused. Plenty of mod options for stocks, but as mentioned before it isn't exactly the most accurate gun out there. I'm a fairly good shot (1 inch 3-shot groups at 200yds the first outing with my hunting rifle, not bad for an amature) but a typical mini-14 group is more like 3-4" at 100yds. Maybe a modified one could do better, but I've been told that 3" group at 100 yds with a mini is actually pretty good.
Lots of modification options to customise mini-14s too... Just don't expect the best accuracy. For standing shooting out in the field, the gun is still probably more accurate than most shooters. And you can get extended magazines, although as with any magazine fed rifle, cheapo mags won't feed properly so get decent magazines if you go beyond the factory 5-round mags.
If you get the "ranch rifle" version, you get scope mounts. If not, you have attach the scope to the side of the receiver which throws off the alignment from the pounding it receives and may even break cheaper scopes.
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you can buy one for like $100 lol
Really? You got a link? :rolleyes:
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Really? You got a link? :rolleyes:
You can get 5!
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftAK47.html
:lol
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I just recently bought a .223/5.56 DPMS AR-15 for $650 at a gun show. The gentleman there said it was about $899 if you you buy it online(I doubt that's true though lol.)
Here is a website that sells AR-15 kits, parts, and accessories (NOTE: Kits don't come with the lower reciever, just the parts. You must purchase a lower receiver from an FFL dealer). http://www.model1sales.com/
I added a mount to the carry handle and a scope that I had.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x311/archywood/IMG_1351.jpg)
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I like my mini 14 just bought a AR because the parts are ubiquitous. It really depends on what you want it for.
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I just ordered one of these because A: it was cheap and B: retro A1's are cool! :D
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/ar-pattern-rifles/p/century-c-15a1-sporter-ar-15-style-rifle%2C-223-caliber-c15a1-/cPath/209_216/products_id/4074 (http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/ar-pattern-rifles/p/century-c-15a1-sporter-ar-15-style-rifle%2C-223-caliber-c15a1-/cPath/209_216/products_id/4074)
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Check the twist rate of the barrel. The slower twist isn't good for the newer heavier ammo that is being used. If it is the 1/9 twist stay with 55 grain or lighter slugs. If it is 1/7 you can shoot the newer 60+ grain slugs the military is using now.
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I don't know what twist my mini-14 has but it shoots a lot straighter with heavier ammo. I can't remember the exact weight but I bought a box each of several bullet weights and types, (FMJ, soft-tip, hollowpoint) and while bullet type had no effect on accuracy, the heaviest rounds were measurably more accurate than any of the lighter ones. The spread of the lightest rounds was nearly double that of the heaviest, at 100 yds.
I never target shoot my mini-14 past 100 yards, and I put a durable fixed magnification scope on it (3x or 5x, can't remember which) to try to make the scope last longer since these things beat up scopes. If the scope ever breaks I'll probably put a low magnification red-dot sight on it, since I sort of fell in love with the red dot sights after completing a combat arms course with an M-4 with a red dot sight. The M-4 with the red dot sights are really nice to shoot, and my mini-14 would probably point almost as easily as the M-4 if it had a similar sight.
BTW that shooting course was awesome, part of my air advisor training prior to deploying as a military advisor in Iraq. It was taught by a bunch of ex-SEAL types, special forces, SWAT members, etc. We only used targets as something to point the weapon at, and the training focused entirely on target presentation and getting the weapon into use quickly and accurately without blowing off our own foot or shooting the guy next to us. We did stuff that would have caused heart attacks and seizures on normal USAF ranges :) We did stuff like standing in a normal shooting line facing AWAY from the target, then turning and firing 3 shots with the M-4, lowering it to sling carry and switching to our secondary weapon (M-9 pistol), and firing 2 more shots with the secondary weapon. Practiced the difference between reloading after emptying a magazine (let it fall) vs. swapping out a partially full mag (stuff it in your shirt or in a pocket during the reload), clearing the weapon in a hurry, and switching between primary and secondary weapon. We did off-hand shooting, plus a bunch of other easy techniques that focused on getting reasonably well aimed rounds downrange in a hurry. We didn't look at our targets when we were done, because it didn't matter. Plus we shot well over 100 rounds each from a variety of positions, so the targets wouldn't have told us much of anything.
Fun stuff - Fire 3 rounds standing, drop to a crouch and fire 3 more which emptied the magazine, reload, drop to prone and fire 3 more, then simulating out of ammo or malfunction, switch to secondary weapon and fire a couple of rounds from the M-9. Good times.